Pls help-desperate.

As some of you may know I am undergoing some very painful trials right now. I take some comfort in the attached thread below.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=45770&forum=35&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0

However, there is at least 1 thing that is bothering me greatly and I really need help/advise from Christians. I am having intense spiritual pains (intensity seems to be increasing)everyday for weeks now. The pain can be broken-heartedness/aloneness/fear/pain/dread etc. The main one is broken-heartedness. Plus now I have problems sleeping because there is a fear there (not my ownself fear but a fear that is present)

The thing is the pain is so intense especially the broken-heartedness that I can barely survive. I can really understand now why people say you can die of a broken-heart. Also, yesterday, there were thoughts of commiting suicide. Now, does God really put such pain until you cannot bear it. This is not a 1 time thing and it has been pretty long already. I really need help as to whether this is all God or God and the devil or what. I need help on how to tackle this.

I'm not sure how much I can bear this type of pain and intensity and desperately seek advise on this. Pls do not ignore. I really am in need of counsel here. I have been obeying God to the best of my abilities and really don't understand what is going on. The intensity and length is just too much to bear.

There have been moments such as the last few hours when I went to church, where I was completely feeling normal. The THis is certainly not something physical. Its confirmed spiritual.

Pls help. THanks.

Post edited for clarity

I have been there and it is very painful. I have a testimony for real. I started going into spiritual warfare and it worked and it is still working. My days have gotten a lot better and I know that your days will get better too. I will be praying for you. If you can listen to Derek Prince sermons. There's a website called Lake Hamilton Bible Camp. On the website you can listen to their sermons which are very helpful. God bless you.

I will be praying for you before I go to sleep tonight. May you find encouragement in the arms of the Lord.

[by Lee500 on 2012/8/25 23:25:08
I have been there and it is very painful. I have a testimony for real. I started going into spiritual warfare and it worked and it is still working. My days have gotten a lot better and I know that your days will get better too. I will be praying for you. If you can listen to Derek Prince sermons. There's a website called Lake Hamilton Bible Camp. On the website you can listen to their sermons which are very helpful. God bless you]

Lee500,
is it possible that I contact you by email. My email is in my profile. Or do you want to join the women's googlegroups in this thread. I really need some advise. I'm scare that I can't bear up to it. BTW, how do you go into spiritual warfare--quote scriptures? I am going to go to Derek Prince sermons. Can you pls keep an eye on this thread because I will really need your help. Is this an attack of the devil? Ok, I am going to go to Derek Prince sermons shortly.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=46301&forum=36&37

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ccchhhrrriiisss,
thanks so much. You are really a real brother to me.

I have to figure out how to call. I'm not in the USA.
When I figure out how to call, I will let you know. Later tonight I have to go to church, so I may not be able to call today. Pls keep an eye on this thread.

Actually was wondering, do you want to do skype? I believe its way cheaper.

Let me go and look at the alternatives. THanks.

Yes, I can meet you on the womens group. What is your schedule like. It is late in the states and I need to get some rest.

Hi Lee500,
My email is learnlearn29@yahoo.com. Do you want to email me?

My schedule now is horrible because I have problems sleeping. Pls let me know your schedule (are you based in USA ET or what?). I will follow your schedule.
THanks.

I do have Skype on my other computer. I have to download it on this computer.

I am going to email you now.

It is very expensive to call into the states. Meet me on the womens discussion board. I was going to email you but it will be best to stay on this site for now.

Hi JIG,

1 way to communicate is go to a forum that has pm (personal mail) function. I think it may make the most sense? I will try to find a forum that has this ability. I think I will post it in the googlegroup and get somebody to send the information to you. Do you have anybody in mind?

I will not be able to do it today though and you are going to sleep anyway.

Thanks JIG.

Lee500,

Can we communicate by email instead of the womens discussion board? I would prefer that as its very private and I like to keep the conversation between the 2 of us. THanks.

I don't usually give me email address out because it is for my business.

Lee500,
I see. Let me think of something than. Because its very private and I do not want it to go on the whole googlegroupwomen's forum. Plus, you will need to give your email adress to join the googlegroupwomen's forum.

I'm not having any pain now, hopefully it won't come today--well maybe later tonight after church? I will need time to figure something out.

Thanks for hanging out in the meantime. Just keep an eye on this thread and I will let you know what I can come up with. Thanks.

Do you have a facebook? Not to be mean but I have had problems before in the past with giving my email address out. I just finished praying for you. When you pray at night command evil spirits to go in the name of Jesus Christ. For example: if you can't sleep walk through your house and say out loud, I command for you to go in the name of Jesus. Honey, rebuke those evil spirits in the name of Jesus and trust me they will go. Pray out loud each opportunity you get and thank Jesus over and over again. The Lord will fight your battles. I was feeling the same way last week, and I got up and did a communion and I declared those evil spirits to go and they left. The closer you get to God they will try to invade but you have to beaware of how they operate and don't by any means be afraid of them. They will flee when you rebuke them and say our Father in Heaven name. Remember our God is a living God, he is there with you.

Hi Lee500,

No, I don't have facebook.

We are saved aren't we? Its just that the evil spirits is trying to torment us although the holy spirit is in us. Pls confirm?

The devil comes to destroy, kill and steal, right? Usually the ones who are close to God are the ones that the devil will try to distract. It seems to me that the devil is trying to do that to you. The book of Job is a good book to read. It will also be good for you to get a prophetic word. I will give you some websites, tomorrow. A prophetic word will give you some clarity but don't worry yourself. You are going to be fine. I promise you that you will be fine. Anoint your bed post at night and ask God to give you sound rest and he will. I don't know if this bears witness with you or not but are you in a broken relationship?

[by lee500
I don't know if this bears witness with you or not but are you in a broken relationship? ]

No, that's the thing. This is all spiritual. That's why I keep saying its either God or the devil or both of them. That's why I am so confused and need to know how to tackle this.

When I actually have lucid moments and the pain goes away, I actually feel normal except for the ache because of the severity of attacks (as long as you try not to think of it, only the ache remains).

The problem is there is so many attacks (sometimes in 1 day, its attack after attack after attack). Sometimes in 1 day, its 1 extremely strong attack that makes me so weak that it takes hours to recuperate and I have a few hours before the next one comes.

Onemite,
You asked a question whether its related to my circumstances. No, its not. It has nothing to do with my circumstance. That's why I'm so convinced its either God or the devil or both. Sigh! I'm totally perplexed.

Perplex is bad enough. Its the pain/ache/whatever/fear it is that I have a big problem with.

There's a lot of curses that we must rid ourselves from, generational and rejection are two. You also have to repent from any sinning that you have did. I have sinned on many occassions and I repented. There are days when I still sin and I repent. You must do the same. I went to church for years, it was in the privacy of my own home that I became intimate with God. We are the church. I am not trying to tell you not to go to church. I am just sharing my testimony with you. Allow God and he will position you. Without God there is no other way. I went to college for years and couldn't even find work. You know why, I didn't allow God. I was doing to much on my own. A true saint is one who allows God. And remember deliverance is a process and can take years. It is a step process. I use to fornicate but have stopped. That's one deliverance process. Church is good, but you have to build an intimate relationship with God, you have to fellowship with him. And by doing so, reading God's word, praying effectively by allowing the Holy Spirit to take over, and praise and worship. Do this on a daily bases. Before you read the Bible, pray and ask the Holy Spirt to led you, walk through your house and declare and decree. And the biggest problem that most of us face is not being able to forgive. Forgive everyone who has hurt you, so that God can forgive you. Forgiving is also a process, it is not going to happen over night but eventually it will. Put your Christian music on and play it throughout your house. If you have children read the Bible to them. Just allow God and trust me you will be alright. I will be praying for you. Try to get some rest. And remember to think positive. Even if you feel that fear inside of you, go out and take a brisk walk, if you have an Ipod listen to your Christian on your Ipod while you're walking. Meditate, by closing your eyes and think of being in the present of Jesus. Our God is an awesome God. Put your full trust in him. He loves you...You're his daughter, so you are a Queen. God bless you...

[by LeePadah on 2012/8/26 1:34:36
Learn, could you describe this pain? Where, how intense, what is it like?]

It can be a variety of pain. For example, it can be fear. Or the most common, extreme heart-brokeness. Extreme loneliness. Hopelessnes etc. All types. It is very intense. Intense enough that you feel like you are dying inside.

Pls pray for me. I have to log off shortly because I have to get ready to go out and think about some things.

THanks.

Curses---oh my. Not sure how to go about this.

Forgiveness-I have forgiven everyone that I can think of for some time now.

I have to log off now. Will talk to you later. Thanks so much for all of your help. Pls keep me in your prayers.

God would never put anything on you that you couldn't bear. The test that God puts us through are different from being tempted. The devil tempts, God puts us through test. There are many chosen but few are called. God never said that this world would be easy. This world we reside in is only temporary. Our flesh will die but our souls will live forever. The prince of the world is the devil.
God wants to see if your heart is alined with your mouth. So there are many test that we will face. I have passed some test. God purpose is a good purpose. Some of his words might be scary but they are beneficial for us and if we allow God to discipline us by obeying him we will gain spiritual knowledge and wisdom and we will be able to discern the enemy, his evil spirits and people. But without spiritual knowledge or spiritual wisdom the flesh is weak. Sermon index has some awesome teachers and prayer warriors. There are so many people praying for you. Hold on to your faith.

Learn,

I can tell you that no matter what your problem, whether it be emotional or demonic, the solution is the same.
James 4 says, "God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."
I don't know exactly what you are going through but I have experienced a spiritual pull away from God that was very intense- so intense that I thought I might be swept away but I'm so thankful to God that He allowed me to become aware of that war because even though I was scared out of my wits, it drove me into the very arms of the only one who could save me- JESUS!
The more I learned about who He was and what He did for me, the less fear and anxiety I had until eventually it left altogether. Jesus redeemed me. He has bought you by His blood too.
I can tell you firsthand that God is more than willing to heal us and what He did for me He will gladly do for you.

Set your hopes on Him. Set your eyes on who He is and what He says about Himself and those who call upon Him.
Ps 145:The Lord is righteous in all His ways,
Gracious in all His works.
The Lord is near to all who call upon Him,
To all who call upon Him in truth.

Hello there.

Please know that for over 21yrs (past now) I struggled with a depression so dark and so deep and with thoughts so wicked, and under much fear as well, that I did not share it with anyone. Only in the last year did I remember much of this part of my life.

If you wish to see/hear more of my story, please feel free to here, http://time2standblog.com/about/, otherwise feel free to email me privately and I would sure love to help you make sense of this, and moreso, see the freedom that awaits.

Peace and blessings,

In Christ Jesus our Lord,

Jeremy Strang
www.time2stand.com
Christian. Husband. Father. Author.
jeremybstrang@gmail.com

Thank you all for your prayers and support. I need time to meditate on what you have written so that I can determine what is the best course of action. Pray for discernment and wisdom and that God keeps me save and that I can sleep peacefully.

1 thing I can say for sure that I learn after reading this thread--the devil is certainly part of the problem here. Thank you

And its confirm its 100% spiritual.

hi, as some have talked to you as a brother or sister, i at 73 would like to talk to you as a dad.i think a lot of what you might be suffering is self induced.a lot of christians hear on si have a bias toward personal holiness,which is wonderful. the problem is this often leads to bondages and dispair.you must read the book of john a few times and write down every verse that show the love of Jesus toward you as a individual.listen to that voice coming from the cross saying how much He loves you. crawl up into abbas arms and throw your arms around His neck and listen to Him tell you that you are his child and He will forever take care of you.spend times thinking on what it means to be in Christ Jesus. think about who offered Himself for you to have eternal life.the perfect sacrifice,without blemish.picture yourself seated in heavenly places with Jesus and the Father.there is nothing you can do to earn anything and you should not be trying for Jesus did this for you and He is the covenant maker and the covenant cutter and the covenant attorney on your behalf. above all , remember that He said that He would never leave you or forsake you.jimp

When you said suicide,it became a no brainer.

You don't have to put up with that trash.The devil cannot control your emotions unless you let him.

Extended grief,suicide,depression have their roots not only in the devil but a narcissistic mindset.

Do the spirit man experiment.Cut off the world as much as possible and use this time to go to a higher place of worship.

Never let the enemy put that mess on you.It is so easy to break.The word can never lie.

Stand up in your spirit and decapitate that demon.You will win because Jesus says you will.You have His guarantee.

The devil always looses.

Psalm1,

THanks for your feedback. However, would like to clarify certain points.

The suicide thoughts came suddenly. I was already very tired (as not enough sleep among other things) and it was like I still had to do this and that for God and I was so so tired and while wiping the table the thoughts came suddenly.

FYI, I already cut off the world so much that people would think me crazy in pursuit of God.

LeePadah,
Thanks. But I don't have panic attacks. 1 problem with spiritual attacks is when you start asking for help, its pretty natural that people will think that you may have emotional/mental/health problems. That's why I am pretty reluctant to talk about spiritual attacks.

Thank you for your prayers.

Saints,

I hope that the link below will help:

http://www.raystedman.org/thematic-studies/spiritual-warfare

Love-in-Christ,

KP

Jimp, I know what you mean and you have valid points there. I always take note of your input in this forum due to your 'longevity' in serving the Lord

In fact before all these things started, I asked God which internet area He wanted me to be in and He said Sermonindex. However, that was during the time when I always had no fear of Him being able to communicate with me (you see previously there were never any spiritual attacks etc so I had no need to fear. I only knew good things from Him).

In fact, I felt being kinda strange being in a a revival site as I'm no person doing any sort of 'revival'. However, it was here so far that I manage to get the help I need. So I guess I 'read' Him right in this area so far.

Before all these problems started, I saw mentioned 'radical obedience' in this forum. I was like, yeah--didn't really believe in it. Also saw a Paul Washer clip/sermon that the kingdom of heaven is for those people DESPERATELY trying to get in. I didn't like it because it scared me and I think I stop seeing the sermon. However, since undergoing this spiritual attacks, it seems that 'radical obedience' and 'holiness' is really required and I can now understand why Paul Washer said about heaven only for those people DESPERATELY trying to get in.

However, I think (not sure)there needs to be a balance between 'radical obedience' and your viewpoint. Somewhere in the middle is where is the answer--not sure? THis I think is something that I will only get better with maturity walking with the Lord. I mean after all, if I see this forum, you do see 'less than stellar behaviour' from the contributors and yet they don't seem to be suffering from any 'ill effects' or 'spiritual attacks' or 'condemnation'. So that means somewhere somehow we need to balance the 2 viewpoints (I think this is something that the Lord will always be guiding us as we learn to walk with Him).

Thanks once again for your contribution. You are 1 of the very few here that has the 'opposite view' than most in this forum.

Thank you IssacharSon. I will take a look at it.

Jstrang,
thanks. I think I will take a look. I can in a way understand this depression because while going through this spiritual attacks, the 'cloud' of depression/fear or whatever it is would just dawn and I have difficulty shaking it off. By right these past few weeks should have been a nice time for me instead of this horrible experience.

Just wanted to say to the other posters.

I know what you mean by wordly sorrow leads to death and godly sorrow leads to repentance. Some of the other things that you all say I have to meditate.

1 thing that I've always felt cautious about is that when we open up more of ourselves to the spiritual world, we can get into 'more trouble/spiritual attacks'. That's 1 of the reason why I have to be super cautious here. The problem is how to be super cautious while still pursuing God wholeheartedly. This is the dilemma. I need to take this at the pace that I can cope (but it really depends on God).

As long as the attacks are not so bad or subside, I do hope to post less. Usually when I finally post/start a thread, its because I'm already going to the 'more desperate' stage. Don't like to start threads unless its for a quick answer. I need to find a balance in doing what I believe God commands in the bible and at the same time not opening/limiting myself to 'spiritual attacks'.

Thanks everyone.

Onemite,
This is true. The problem is the 'emotions/pain' is not started by me. I've realised that at times, this 'emotions/pain' will go away when I keep insisting on focusing on God. Not all the time though.

[by onemite on 2012/8/26 2:01:49

Learn,

I can tell you that no matter what your problem, whether it be emotional or demonic, the solution is the same.
James 4 says, "God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."
I don't know exactly what you are going through but I have experienced a spiritual pull away from God that was very intense- so intense that I thought I might be swept away but I'm so thankful to God that He allowed me to become aware of that war because even though I was scared out of my wits, it drove me into the very arms of the only one who could save me- JESUS!
The more I learned about who He was and what He did for me, the less fear and anxiety I had until eventually it left altogether. Jesus redeemed me. He has bought you by His blood too.
I can tell you firsthand that God is more than willing to heal us and what He did for me He will gladly do for you.]

Lee500,
You have been 1 of the kindest poster to me. I know what you mean by God setting tests. I need to meditate on some things.

Hi Learn,

I hope and pray that you're feeling better. I will get those websites to you after I have lunch. These women of God will really positively influence you. Give me moment. I will be back.

Jesus-is-God
I will take a rain check on talking to you. Need to meditate on some things. Well, as long as the spiritual attacks subside/lessen/I know how to deal with it, I will continue to take the rain check. Do not want to burden or run out my welcome mat with anyone here especially not you JIG. You are a precious sister to me.Thks

Hi Learn, here's some websites that have helped me out and I am sure they will be a blessing in your life as well. The last website belongs to Ruth Grigg, she has really helped me. She will give you a prophetic word, and the first website belongs to Julie she will also give you a prophetic work.
Glad Tinging ministry belongs to a Pastor who has a prayer meeting every Tuesday via web. Also attached is Lake Hamilton Bible seromons. You can listen to Derek Prince on that site. The Prophetic Kingdom belongs to Pastor Micheal Bacon. He will give you a prophetic word too. I am currently taking his free prophetic course. I know that you will be truly blessed with these websites. You will also begin to understand how the enenmy operates and how we as humans can stress ourselves out with the carnal thoughts in our head. Pleease check out these sites and let me know how you like them.

apostolicrestoration.ning.com

www.GladTidingsMinistry.org

FREE audio files at
http://lakehamiltonbiblecamp.com/audio/ministry1.htm Freedom from demonic
oppression, curses, etc.

•For prayer request, go to http://www.prophetickingdomtv.com/prayer.html
•For questions, go to http://www.prophetickingdomtv.com/questions.html
•For personal prophecy, go to http://www.prophetickingdomtv.com/prophecyrequest.html

http://www.kingdomministriesuk.webs.com

Learn,

One thing that you have to do is put on the whole armor of God as Paul outlines in Ephesians 6.

Remember the pieces of armor? Each piece has incredible spiritual power and significance:

Put on the WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD:
(Off the top of my head, so bear with me...)

(1) GIRD UP YOUR LOINS WITH THE GOSPEL OF TRUTH: Why? The loins are the very center of the body, where life comes from. At the very center, we must have TRUTH. What is this TRUTH? JESUS. When we have Jesus, we have the Word made Flesh, the Truth. Hence, you don't have to succumb to the deceptive messages floating around this world because in Christ you have the truth. Forget about anything else. What a relief it is to have THE TRUTH! Let it be the center of your being and all other delusions will flee.

(2) PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS: Why? To protect the heart which lies beneath the breastplate and from which our emotions can attack us. What is the form of attack? Our emotions often attack us with guilt, feelings of failure, depression unto suicidal ideations, awareness of our inadequacy before God. Yet, if we put on the BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS than we are acknowledging that our righteousness can only come from the Lord. Don't waste time and energy dwelling on your feelings of depression or inadequacy because it is not our righteousness which justifies us, anyway. Our righteousness, sufficiency, anything good which comes from us is because of our Lord Jesus dwelling within us. Take heart because no matter what your talents, abilities, successes, etc. are - God never expected our personal merits to measure up, this is why He gave us the righteousness of Christ. If our goodness doesn't come from Christ, of course it's no good. So why weep over something which we could never ever offer to God. Put on the BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, and depend and expect only upon the Lord who is the only source of your righteousness. Just surrender to His righteousness and stop expecting from your own merit.

(3) SHOD THY FEET WITH THE EQUIPMENT OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE: Ahhh! What a breath of fresh air is peace! Why? Our feet carry us through the battlefield. Where we encounter the exact opposite of peace. Yet, if we shod our feet with the equipment of the GOSPEL OF PEACE then it can have a multi-faceted effect: The peace of God will replace the spiritual warring within and without. We can have peace in the midst of the battlefield, as the first two pieces of armor show us; We know the TRUTH which is JESUS, We are justified by the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST. Doesn't this give you PEACE?!? Hence, walk into the battlefield with the GOSPEL of PEACE. Don't expect peace from the battlefield - we carry our peace wherever we walk and distribute it throughout the battlefield.

And guess what, Learn, even after all of this powerful armor, the enemy still attacks us with fiery darts of doubt.

This is why, to be fully equipped, the Lord also provides:

(4) THE SHIELD OF FAITH: Probably the most important piece of the armor as it protects us from the fiery darts of the enemy which have the potential to destroy our faith. Without faith, one can go no further.

(5) THE HELMET OF SALVATION: Why? To protect the mind from its negative and depressing thoughts, from potential deceptions, delusions and mental breakdown. From fears of condemnation - for CHRIST is our SALVATION! Focus your mind on THAT! Destructive thoughts will flee.

And finally, our armor is complete with:

(6) THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT (which is THE WORD OF GOD):
God's Word is a Sword. If you've ever been involved in a sword fight you will find that it is the perfect weapon and its power mimics that of God's Word in the sword's power to defend as well as offend.

And we cannot forget to "pray in the Spirit at all times in every prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert and always persevere in supplication for all the saints...

Pray also for me, so that when I speak, a message may be given to me to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel"

Ephesians 6: 11-19

I pray on this armor every single day and it truly makes a difference.

Love-in-Christ,

KP

That was a real good post IssacharSon. Thank you for sharing with us all.

I think I hear what you are saying, Learn.. I did post a response to you on the google site, did you see?

You said yourself that you have periods where when you focus on God that it subsides a little. I found this was the key.
God showed me that my yielding to Him- drawing near to Him- and hanging onto Him for dear life was shelter for me. I know you will come through.

What I am learning is that I/we are all called to submit to God every day with that same fervency as I did when I was being attacked. Speaking figuratively, the devil takes a foothold from our natural desires and weakness and he then takes a leg and desires the whole person.
That's how it worked for me.

God did not answer my prayers to be rescued in the way that I expected or even desired at that time but He most definitely delivered me.

Stay close to Him and His word. Allow the Holy Spirit to lead you to know Jesus as Savior of this trial as you read and meditate on His word. No teaching or prophecy can replace hearing God speak to you through His word one on one as the Holy Spirit leads you.

{Edited}

Onemite,
I will need to ask you some questions. But I need to think something first. THanks

ETA:
Onemite--sent you an email

Leepadah,
Pls don't beat yourself up. There's nothing to be sorry about sister.

IssacharSon,
Thanks for the armor of God. Its very useful. I actually printed it out.

Why are you judging Pastor Micheal Bacon, when you don't know anything about him?
I have known Pastor Micheal for two years and he has really been there for me. He is a true man of God. Who has a true love for God's children. I apologize if you got offended. I was just trying to help someone out. Pastor Micheal Bacon gives a weekly service ever Thursday for free, he doesn't ask for any money. You know I am just going to delete my profile from sermon index because I can't deal with this type of critisism. I didn't join sermon index to hear people condem other people. We should all be loving on each other like how our Father in Heaven loves each of us. Iknow the relationship that I have with God and I am not religion at all. I don't bite into the religion mess. That's why I am constantly listening to Derek Prince. He was a true missionary and teacher for God. I admire his work, he is truly a legacy. Again, I apologize but I am not going to stick around for this mess. I don't have time for it in my life. God Bless you!!!

What's the difference, sermon index is asking for money too...

1. Send a cheque or money order payable to: Greg Gordon (RECOMMENDED).

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2. Donate once or Subscribe $20 monthly.

You should have really did your research before you started to judging. The enemy used you tonight to distract me because I have something important lined up for tomorrow. You see when you truly have God in your heart you can easily decern things. I rebuke the devil in the name of Jesus.
You should really do some more research on Pastor Micheal Bacon before you judge him or anyone for that matter. I've already emailed sermon index, the sooner I get off this website the better. There's so many men of God Leaders on this website but what I have noticed is that there's not one black leader of God on this website and that there bothers me. T. D Jakes isn't even on this website and he's a wonderful speaker, in fact one of the best in this church era. I am not going to argue with you because I am way to humble for this mess and I know when the prince of the world is trying to distract me and it isn't going to work tonight. God bless you Grant. I pray that you will really take a good look at Pastor Micheal website before you judge him and the ministry that he is fulfilling for God. He a remarkable man, who has been to Africa and has helped many of God's children.

And if you read up above this website page, there's a link for horoscope and that is the occult. That tells me that this is a free ministry website that is also asking for money, and advertising occult practices. You see I do my research too. And for your info, Pastor Micheal is doing a free prophetic eight week course, that means no one has to pay. And for your infor that $50.00 was a donation for his ministry and to help the people in Africa. Now tell me what is wrong with that? The Bible states in James, there is no faith without deeds. And trust me Pastor Micheal pays his deeds by taking out the time to assist God's children. I am really disappointed that you judged Pastor Micheal but I forgive you because I know that it is the enemy trying to distract me.

Will if you have a problem with him or if you seen something in the spirit in regards to him, pray for him. Don't put him on blast like you did earlier. No one on this earth is perfect, we all fall short and no sin is greater than the next. We must support each other in the way that God has instructed us to do in his word. I don't do well with stress. I was only trying to support someone on Sermon Index that was in pain. I didn't have any intentions on trying to hook her up with someone who is not truly a man of God. We have to pray for people and lift them up. I am sorry too if I offended you. I don't want to be responsible for hurting anyone. Please forgive me if I offended you by putting Pastor Micheal email on Sermon Index. I have decided to remove myself from Sermon Index. I am just waiting to here from sermon index so I can be removed. You don't have to worry about me anymore. God bless you.

And please in the future watch who you word curse. Don't tell me "I sincerely hope your eyes are opened before its too late." You're word cursing me and I don't appreciate it. If you have a problem with Pastor Bacon, email him, his information is on his website. Don't take his actions out on me. Really honestly you shouldn't have even responded to my post. You should have just kept your thoughts to yourself. It is late and I should have been went to sleep but instead I am up reading your post that doesn't make any sense.
Read: 2 Corinthians 9:10-11 (Freedom in Christ Bible, p. 1337)
Read: The Treasure Principle, middle of p. 72 to middle of p. 75
Reflect: God has blessed us with much so we can be generous with others. We are God's servants – we do not live for
ourselves but to obey him and carry out his plans. His plans are to use us to help meet the needs of others and in doing
so, bring glory and praise to him.
Honestly, you have been bothering me since I've been on Sermon Index, and I am starting to think it has something to do with the fact that you do not care for me and you don't even know me. You have responded to post that I have posted in the past and I just ignored you. Like I stated earlier I rebuke the devil in Jesus name because I believe that it is him who is trying to distract me with this non-sense that doesn't even make since.

What do you want from me??? Why are you bothering me??? Pray for the people in Japan, the majority of them worship Buddah. If you have as much spiritual knowledge and wisdom as you display to have, go into spiritual warfare and pray against the occult in Japan. Isn't that where you reside? I am good at decerning, and honestly, I don't mind giving my money to ministries. You would be wise to contact Pastor Micheal and stress your concerns to him.

Dear Learn

I have had times in my walk when I was attacked spiritually, -chocked in my sleep, sensed an evil presence etc, but was helped the moment I called on the Name of Jesus, and trusted in His Love.

Later in my walk, I learned about the gift of discernment of spirits, and learned that what I "feel" sometimes is beyond myself.
For instance, I once went for a walk on a deserted beach. Before I reached the beach I bumped into a brother and briefly chatted with him. As I continued on my own, I was suddenly overcome by lustful thoughts and fantasies. The HS showed me that what I was "feeling", was the condition of the brother I just met, and that I should intercede for him against what I experienced. Maybe God is calling you to intercede for someone, to take these things to the cross, and leave them there ...

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Saints!

Whoa, back off of each other. Is this how the church divides itself?

Lee500 and EversttoSama, I love you both immensely (and yes, I am aware that I don't know either one of you). All that I know or wish to know is what God's Word teaches me. He teaches me not to forsake any who seek the Lord (Psalm 9:10). You both seek the Lord with all of your hearts, minds and strength. This is evident. So, please do not let a small disagreement over the credibility of a man cause you to forsake each other.

If Lee500 is mistaken about following Pastor Michael, then it is up to the Lord to reveal and convict him of this. However, if EveresttoSama is misjudging Pastor Michael, then the Lord will show him his mistake and lead his heart to repentance.

EveresttoSama, I will say that the Lord blesses his saints with anointed teachers (just look at why we are attracted to this website). We hold dear to our spiritual mentors, yet God knows that they are not perfect. Imperfection does not imply ineffectiveness. If that were God's rule, than we'd all need to just shush up forever more. I know nothing about Lee500's spiritual mentor, Pastor Michael - but I do know what Lee500 has revealed about his passion to seek the Lord, hence, Pastor Michael must have had some positive impact in the life of one of God's beloved. If there is folly dwelling in the ministry of Pastor Michael, then Lee500 will be protected from this folly and only affected by the goodness which God wills to come from this ministry.

It is beautiful, EveresttoSama to see how diligently you protect your brothers-in-Christ from the potential attack of spiritual delusion, especially as you are transforming the pain from your own experience with a false prophet to fuel your passion to safeguard the faith of your brethren.

Yet, if Lee500 is at no risk from supporting Pastor Michael's ministry, then let him alone and continue to love him as you did before. Trust that, just as the Lord has delivered you from the impending harm of false prophets, He will do the same for your brother. Lee500 seeks the Lord, as you do. Remember how God's Word promises soooooo many blessings and assurances to those who continually seek Him? You are brothers-in-Christ who devote your lives to seeking the Lord. What else could possibly divide you?

Please reconcile and continue fellowshipping with us at SI. Perhaps, if the Lord ever sends Lee500 out by way of Kobe, Japan - the two of you could meet up at the "Little Nap Coffee Stand" in Yoyogi, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo to discuss the following verses listed below:
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Bible Verses About God's Blessings to Those Who Seek Him:

Deuteronomy 4:29
But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Proverbs 8:17
I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.

Jeremiah 29:12-14
Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.

Matthew 7:7-8
Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

Lamentations 3:25
The Lord is good to those who wait for him, to the soul who seeks him.

Psalm 40:16
But may all who seek you rejoice and be glad in you; may those who love your salvation say continually, “Great is the Lord!”

Isaiah 55:6-7
Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Psalm 119:10
With my whole heart I seek you; let me not wander from your commandments!

Psalm 63:1
A Psalm of David, when he was in the wilderness of Judah. O God, you are my God; earnestly I seek you; my soul thirsts for you; my flesh faints for you, as in a dry and weary land where there is no water.

Psalm 119:2
Blessed are those who keep his testimonies, who seek him with their whole heart,

These are just a handful.

Keep Loving Each Other In Christ - He is the Only Teacher We Need...

Love-in-Christ,

KP

P. S. Lee500, you'd better not leave SI . You noted yourself that we need more black spiritual leaders here, so stay and continue to be that for us, saint - yeah?!?

EverestoSama,
Pls check your email. Thks

hi learn,my prayer is that you see that Jesus loves you and died for you... and that he is ever telling the Father to look at the blood that is applied to your heart. His blood...the perfect sacrifice.have faith in what Jesus did and is doing for you and you shall be saved... look at how you feel and yourself and you will have problems.keep it simple for Jesus put the cookies on the bottom shelf so that a child can be saved. rely on Jesus for He is the saviour.jimp

Not a prophet, nor teacher, nor "New-Ager"-

My sincere love for the lost wants to see them reconciled to The Truth, which IS Jesus Christ and Him Crucified, so I over-exert my spirit of reconciliation, for love of the sinner and hatred reserved for the sin.

Not a New-Ager, by any means. I am definitely naive about a lot of things, not enough to be deceived because Christ abides in me, and I in Him, and, by His Grace, I believe in the power of the whole armor of God. This armor includes a Helmet of Salvation which, along with His Word, protects my mind from deception.

What I am naive about is holding onto this deep love for those who seek the Lord (I am speaking of the same Lord that you are, Jesus-Is-God and BrotherTom). God the Father, Christ the Only Begotten Son of God (Who also Is God as your pseudonym states "Jesus-Is-God"), and the Holy Spirit, our Comforter.

I believe wholeheartedly in the New Covenant as it is expressed all through the OT yet poignantly summarized in

Jeremiah 31: 31-34 - I believe in the New Covenant as Paul teaches us how to "live it" all throughout the NT:

The source is the Lord Jesus Christ himself. This is New Covenant living at its core. This is "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:27), his character expressed through his people, a shared glory. The energy of that indwelling life of Christ will propel us into serving others as acts of worship and gratitude to him for his gracious provision of life and truth and love. Metabolizing his unconditional love, we have resource for loving others. Freed by his forgiving grace and mercy, we are motivated and empowered to forgive others. Everything coming from God, nothing coming from me, saints.

Again, I am naive, not unto deception, but as a child who delights in sharing the love of Christ with those who seek Him. We don't always seek Him in the right places, but He is sure to find us, if we continue seeking. It is not up to me to abruptly abandon a brother or sister who loses his/her way whilst seeking the Lord. No, I cannot go to where they are, for then I too will lose my way, but I can pray for the Lord's grace to restore them as well as my desire (which the Lord also/esp. establishes) to love that which He loves and hate what He hates. I love the sinner and hate the sin. He has come to seek and save the lost as well as His beloved. If a brother or sister who seeks the Lord, falls into error and yet, is still seeking Christ, then I can't help but love them unto reconciliation.

My response to such a one is probably as naive as the child who waits patiently outside the fence of a beloved neighborhood playpal who is undergoing some brief restriction as a consequence of his own folly.

Instead of skipping past his window, seeing the curtians drawn only slightly, (as he is still seeking the Lord, afterall) and picking up a handful of rocks weighted down with doctrine to hurl at his window, whilst yelling "serves ya right, ya bloody heretic!" all across the neighborhood, my instinct is to, instead, lovingly wait to welcome him into fellowship once the Lord has delivered and restored him from his folly. If the Lord permitted me a brief visit outside his window during his period of restoration, as a friend, I would of course, encourage him to see the error of his way, as you all do very well, but not without leaving the aroma of Christ. That is, with the hope that when he is free from folly, we can be friends again, or still.

When a man or woman is in the midst of folly/error, shouldn't we love them back into the truth? Surely there is a way of doing this as the Apostles did this all throughout the NT. Doesn't the Truth lose its luster when it lacks Christ's love?

Love-in-Christ,

KP

I guess what I was really trying to say can be summed up in I Corinthians 13:8-13

Love-in-Christ,

KP

I am sorry that you disagree but he did attack me and I felt as if he violated me over something that wasn't even worth it. Today, is a new day and I am over it. I love Pastor Bacon and he has deleted the site that Grant was referring to. So lets please just let it go and move forward. I am not disappointed in fact, I realize that Grant had his points and I respect is agrument. We should all be aware of our own actions because non of us are perfect, and I mean non of us. God bless you and thank you for responding to the post.

@EverestoSama
Amen!

Lee500,
Pls stay on this site. There's always some protection when we are in a forum or in a church.

Sometimes the things that we don't want to hear the most are the things that we most need to hear. When I am not able to hear certain things at the moment or think that the speaker is talking nuts, what I do is to put it aside for a while and come back later and meditate on it. Why? Because salvation is serious business. Serious enough to really see what the other party has to offer especially when he/she is pointing it out from scriptures.

Jesus-is-God and EverestoSama are not the 'gentlest' people in pointing out errors. But 1 thing they do have--a heart for those that are struggling or unsaved. I do know that Jesus-is-God has helped me tremendously during my 1st spiritual warfare and I could not have done it without her help or EverestoSama's help in explaining to me from scriptures what was happening to me. Thanks.

BTW, the devil tried to keep me from talking to Everestosama but it was through him that I learned and understood more of what has happening to me. Sometimes the devil tries to keep you away from the very people that can help you the most. I hope you will consider this.

I love you Lee500 and just as you so willingly extend your hand in helping me, I now extend my hand to you. God often works in mysterious ways. When we think we are helping somebody, it turns out that we are the one in need of help either from that person or from another person.

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To the others that have helped in this thread/forum or privately, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Each one of you helped in various ways, whether it was through encouragement, prayer or clarification of certain points. That's what the body of Christ should be doing--encouraging, praying and building each other up.

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Dear Brother Tom,

I have a question that I would like to ask privately. Please go to my profile, and you will see my email there. I hope you will respond, thank you.

After I put a link to the section where he was selling personal prophecy, and pointed out what he was doing, he took that section down off of his site.

The point has been made. It's time to move on. Thread terminated.