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Woman beheaded for refusing prostitution; Islam, Sharia exposes it's desire.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/19/afghan-woman-beheaded-for-refusing-sex-with-man-report-says/?test=latestnews

Times are sad.

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I agree that times are indeed sad but we must be careful not to blame every act of violence in middle eastern countries on Islam.
I would like to know what part of this crime would be condoned by sharia law. To my knowledge it isn't. This is a crime of violence and it may or may not be acceptable or common in the Afghan culture but it's not necessarily the teaching of the koran.
I lived in a place where Christians were perhaps 1% of the population. There was much ignorance as to how a Christian lived and what the bible taught. As a result, the people in that place blamed everything bad that happened in western countries on the fact that they were "Christian."

Because of what I saw, I am convinced that we must have a higher standard and have integrity in all things making sure we don't make assumptions and generalizations.

I see a rising sentiment that is reflected in posts like this one on SI and other sites where Christians are talking and I wonder what good it can produce.
Should it rally us to hatred for Islam or rally us to fight for women's rights?
Will that honor Jesus?

Darkness is darkness no matter what it's package looks like. Everyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ is in darkness.
There is such darkness in the world, may it be a mere tool in our God's hand to plow stony hearts to receive Him.
We need to pray for those who are being tormented by the evil around them. Pray that they will cry out to the author of Life for help and mercy. God hears every heart cry and He is not too weak to show Himself to those that do not yet know Him.

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"I see a rising sentiment that is reflected in posts like this one on SI and other sites where Christians are talking and I wonder what good it can produce.

Should it rally us to hatred for Islam or rally us to fight for women's rights?
Will that honor Jesus?..Onemite

There is a vast difference in "rallying for "WOMEN'S RIGHTS"...as in the standard fare of the Feminist's movement about sexual "freedom" and independence from the rule of any man...and being beheaded in a society because you do not have any rights as a human being; not even the right to live, if you do not submit to your Families wishes.

These are called "HONOR KILLINGS"....AND are not prosecuted, generally, in the Society of the Taliban...as the Koran and Islamic tradition order the absolute Dominion of the Father over the children, and the parent over the Child. There have been many such beheadings of young girls, and many of those because they had the misfortune to be raped' and this young girl was accused of prostitution, AFTER she refused to do so, and then summarily murdered. [ It is reported that these people were arrested..]...But...add this to this young girl, who just wanted an Education.....She was shot multiple times in the face....


"The murder [ of the "prostitute"] comes after reports of a 15-year-old Pakistani girl who was shot by Taliban as she headed home from school in the northwest Swat Valley.

Yousufzai said Friday that she is able to stand with help and to write, though she still shows signs of infection.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/19/afghan-woman-beheaded-for-refusing-sex-with-man-report-says/?test=latestnews#ixzz29pxs6vL7

This is the Nature of Pure Islam...and where it is heading around the Earth. There are now MANY entire countries that practice a radical Sharia Culture, as this; Saudia Arabia and Yemen being Examples...where the infidel..[ one who will not submit ]...is taken to trial by the Tribal chiefs, and a Fatwah is issued....not necessarily within pure Koran Law....but within the territory of the Mullah who commands it....such as was with these two 14 year old girls.

Your not the only person who has ministered in Islamic stronghold..[ if you did minister there, or just quietly lived there...]....but there is a time for the Christian to say; "THIS IS WRONG....AND EVIL!".....

I love those enslaved by Islamic Tradition, and those in the Taliban need Jesus and His Love....and I do not hate them. The Islamic way of life, as in these instances; Brutal crimes against innocent children, need to be exposed for what they are; pure evil...and yes...let us pray for Islam and beg God to set them free.

Will you proclaim this as evil? while proclaiming Jesus as one who sets all men free? that receive Him and His Lordship?....by the way....that is exactly what cost John the Baptist his head.

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I agree with Onemite. I know several Muslims in my city whom I interact almost daily and you couldn't find a more gentler people (save believers that is). The Muslims that I know just want to raise their families, do business and worship in their Mosques. If they have a hidden agenda, I haven't seen it. If they hate me so much, why would they let me handle their children?

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It is the extremism of any religion, even Christianity that bring evil. There have been stories where Christians and Moslens lived size by side for generations as friend and neighbors. Yet the extremist will come in create division and heart ache. In our desire to reach people with tbe gospel we are to focus on the individual's need for Christ. Not rile against the evils of their religion.

Paul and Silas ministered in one of the most demonic cities in the known world in New Testament times. Yet even the administrator of Ephesus said these men who have not blasphemed our goddess or robbed temples. Paul preached the gospel of Jesus. He did not rile against the demonic cult of Artemus. I believe their is wisdom to be gleaned from Paul's experience in Ephesus.

Bearnaster.

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Brothertom , you've challenged my thinking by sharing your perspective. It will need some time to settle in.

I agree that it is good to share God's way but my point is that as Christians(who are on the outside of these places), how we interpret headlines and what we do with them must show integrity. We can't wage war the way the world does. I think once again I have began a discussion that I am unable or unwilling to fully engage in. I'm sorry. Somehow I thought that by putting it in print it would come together and make better sense.

So how should the Christian respond to stories like the one you posted about? My question is sincere. When we read such things how ought it be received and what do you suggest we do to bring Truth to the situation?

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"In our desire to reach people with the gospel we are to focus on the individual's need for Christ. Not rile against the evils of their religion."- bearmaster

Thank you. You summed it up well.

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JEWISH PROFESSOR 'MURDERED BY ARABS' IN UKRAINE UNIVERSITY

Three Arab students in university at Lviv sought revenge for their dismissal, Arutz Sheva learns.

By Gil Ronen israelnationalnews.com
First Publish: 10/20/2012, 8:37 PM


New Jewish center in Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine
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A Jewish professor on the faculty of the university in Lviv, Ukraine, whose last name is Freifeld, was murdered by three Arab students, Arutz Sheva has learned.

According to initial details, the three students had failed in their studies and sought revenge for their dismissal from the university. They decided to murder their Jewish professor.

These details have not been confirmed by other sources.

Freifeld's brother, Dr. Vadim Freifeld, who teaches at Ben Gurion University, received the news Friday and got on a plane to Ukraine. He informed his colleagues of the murder before boarding the flight.

The number of Jews in Lviv is estimated at 2,000, out of a total population of about 850,000.

Tags: murder ,Lviv ,anti-Semitic violence


24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?==Job 9:24

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I am trying to figure out the last post and the verse at the bottom, is this to show that all Arabs are wicked and that all Jews are saints?

Please lend a hand to what your saying.

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I am trying to figure out the last post and the verse at the bottom, is this to show that all Arabs are wicked and that all Jews are saints?

Please lend a hand to what your saying approved

Some things are best not provoked. It wouldn't be difficult to demonstrate the perversity of Arabic life.

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What is your point, Trekker?
What is the purpose?

How ought a follower of Christ receive this kind of news so that his heart is kept from hate and resentment and pride?

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May I point out the Arabs are NOT are enemies. No more than tbe Chinese or the Iranians or the Israelites. We have one enemy. His name is Satan. We come against the demonics of the various religions the devil uses to deceive tbe people of tbe earth. We do it through the preaching of tbe gospel. The sharing of Jesus with individuals that need to be freed from that religious demonic system.

But to judge races is to go against those whom God created. As Paul said in Acts 17. God created the peoples of tbe earth. He fixed tbe places where they should live. He did that so men would seek him. And God is moving mightily among tbe Arabs.

It is man that looks upon tbe outward appearance. But God is looking at the heart.

Bearmaster.

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Dear sister I am not sure I have an easy answer for tbe valid question you posed. As one who moderates a conference call where we pray for the persecuted I read heart retching accounts almost daily. There are times I get angry at the persecutors. But I am reminded the anger of man does not bring about the righteous life God desires.

I am reminded of Jesus who said Father forgive them. For they know not what they do. And Stephen who said Lord do not hold this sin against them. Jesus taught we are to pray for our enemies. Sister I pray for God to deliver those who do evil to come to Jesus.

Onemite I do not know if this addresses your question. But do pray that God will give you the answer you seek.

Much blessing be on you dear sister.

Bearmaster.

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Posting the news is not wrong. Maybe it could stir hearts to go into that part of the world and preach the Gospel.

We know the Arabs are beautiful people with beautiful cultures.
Yet we know that Islam is a two-tongued snake who dream of dominating the world.


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Amen. Ultimately evil can best be restrained by a heart transformed by the gospel.

Bearnaster.

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Amen Bearmaster, probably the best answer yet. We wrestle not with flesh and blood but with spiritual wickedness in high places. Christ not only died for man but made atonement for his sins "once for all". The world is cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ, but not all know it. The light of Gods truth needs to be taken to them so that all men who dwell in darkness can see the light of the redemption that is in Christ and acknowledge that Christ indeed is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

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"Posting the news is not wrong. Maybe it could stir hearts to go into that part of the world and preach the Gospel."

"We know the Arabs are beautiful people with beautiful cultures.
Yet we know that Islam is a two-tongued snake who dream of dominating the world.".......pq*

Amen pq*....right-on! and thanks.

There are many Muslims that are ashamed of the excesses of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, El-Shabab, Boko Haram and the like; yet...the Sword of Allah is a Sword of Terror, and it was this violence that founded Islam, and Mohammad instituted. Entire nations and people groups either submitted to the Rule of Sharia and the Lordship of Allah, or they died..[ skinned, butchered, burned and dismembered, and beheaded...]...AS THEY DO TODAY!

THIS IS JUST TODAY!.....AND ECHOED IN A HUNDRED WAYS AROUND THE EARTH.[ even in America...]

Islamist Sect Kill at Least 30 in Nigeria.
By AGENCE FRANCE-
Published: October 20, 2012...


KANO, Nigeria (Agence France-Presse) — Gunmen killed seven people in the northeastern city of Potiskum on Saturday, raising the death toll to at least 30 during three days of violence, the police and residents said.

The gunmen, suspected of being members of the radical Islamist sect Boko Haram, shot and killed seven people, including a retired customs chief and his son, whose house was looted before it was burned early on Saturday, the police and neighbors said.

Potiskum, the commercial hub of Yobe State, has been hit hard by near daily acts of violence in recent weeks.

Before Saturday’s shootings, attacks by people thought to be Islamists that began on Thursday had already left at least 23 other people dead and several buildings destroyed.

A nurse at the general hospital in Potiskum said Saturday that 20 bodies had been delivered to the morgue, and residents said at least three bodies had been buried by relatives after Thursday’s attacks

I just returned[ prematurely as it was with the death of my mother...] from North East Africa; the seed bed of hoards of radical Muslim sects that await to confront you with violence. We MUST love the Muslim, but also understand that unless they are saved, and born again, they are damned.

Allah will lead them to Hell and the Lake of fire, and YES...they need the Gospel. It is the only way to Heaven. This is love, and it is united with the TRUTH...and it is the steel that MOTIVATED every Christian martyr that ever was, and Satan's roar [ terrorism] to shut up the truth...Jesus and His Blood saves ALONE! Here-in is Love, and how foolish it is to brand these acts of so many missionaries that proclaim it, as mere condemnation of a Religious group. [ I am not worthy to carry their bags...]

Prayer and more prayer.......that God will make a way for millions bound will hear the good news, and know the Lord-ship of the True God....who is filled with real mercy and abundant love....and He will....for it is written!

" I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

This is what I want to give my life to, and death for....and in the end, all that matters. There is an enemy, and it is not flesh and blood.

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In 1986 I listened to a brother with 22 years experience of sharing the gospel with Moslems preach on how to evangelise Moslem’s. One thing that I remember was a distinction that he drew between the different “spirits” of Islam. He used the life of Mohammad as his example drawing on the two recognised parts of Mohammad’s life. The first had to do with Madinah where he was said to have begun his prophetic ministry. The other was Mecca where he finalised his activities. The brother described Madinah as a descendant or minoritive spirit and Mecca as an ascendant or majoritive spirit. The difference between them was a spirit of tolerance and mercy in the descendant and a violent and murderous spirit in the ascendant. This was preached in a district of Leicester where there were 9,000.00 Moslem’s at that time. If this were preached today in that district there would be a riot. Today there are over 30,000.000 Moslems in that same district.

Whilst standing against a Hindu abomination in that same city a few years later only three people opposed the rebuke as well as the preaching of the Gospel. One was Mr Keith Vaz Member of Parliament, who told me that he would ring the police and tell them that we were causing a public disorder and a breach of the peace. Although this was not true at all. He touched my hand and said to me “I too believe in the bible”. Then went off to see a man being carries on a golden throne to be worshiped as God by his followers. The other man was a Moslem who threatened to go and fetch his friends and a van and take us away to kill us. The Hindu’s in contrast were well behaved and reasonable. The third was an intellectual from the University of Leicester, which was next door to De Montfort Hall where the adoration of Prabuk Swami was to take place. When this lecturer saw us his eyes became full of anger and it was all he could do to restrain himself. Three “spirits” of opposition; Political, Islamic and Intellectual; Nothing has changed.

I think that it is one thing to recognise something of the reality that when Islam is ascendant it is a very different spirit to when it is descendent. It is more difficult to recognise that Sharia Law as practised in some Moslem countries is brutal and cruel in the extreme. It is naïve to say that the problem of brutality and cruelty that is enshrined in Sharia Law reflects a few extremists. Certainly there are extremists and it is doubtful that many of them are in any way “normal” even by the standards of their own countries. Yet this does not mean that Islamic Sharia Law is just or merciful. It is not. It is a complete false hood to liken it to a peace loving religious system that in the most part stands for decency and justice. The fact that Islam is made up of may peoples, nations and tribes simply means that it is perceived as reasonable because many of these people are reasonable. As a spirit it is murderous and destructive when it is challenged or when it is ascendant.

There is another thread here on SI, which is entitled The Boston Martyrs. In that account, as in many other accounts, it is possible to read of the brutality of Christian authorities against other Christian believers in the past. This is one kind of cruelty and reflects an undoubted religious attitude of cruelty and intolerance amongst Christians in the past and most likely today as well. This is a problem because from it we might be tempted to speak of a “Christian” religious spirit. I am inclined to think that what you have are “cruel and religious men”, not spirits but men. Was there a spiritual beneficiary from the suffering of the martyrs? Yes it was Christ Himself. Were some men cruel and unmerciful? Yes without doubt. One could say the same in Islam. The difference really is an obvious one. The Holy Spirit was sent to reveal Christ not Islam. Therefore no spirit of Islam to make converts of men was sent by or could be of The Holy Spirit. If any one doubts that Islam is a proselytic religion then they have no understanding at all as far as Islam is concerned. When it does reap a harvest it will be Islam or death and it will be by the sword not by The Holy Spirit. What that will mean for those who take the name of Christ remains to be seen. One thing is for sure it will not yield a “lovely Arabic culture” or peoples. Finally Islam is Arabic. Read the history books.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=pMuxLlWih04C&oi=fnd&pg=PA9&dq=The+perversity+of+Arabic+life&ots=z0P1BV-04C&sig=Uzqj9RVgTzWCOLf-VOtqoDsDsW4#v=onepage&q&f=false

For anyone who doesn’t understand what the word perversity means in the context of Arabic life the above link will explain it well. There is no assumption of hate resentment or pride here sister. Just reality.

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Revelation 12:17
Then tbe dragon was enraged at tbe woman and went off to make war against tbe rest of her offspring---those who obey God's commandments and hold to tbe testimony if Jesus.

Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against tbe rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world, and against tbe spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm


Saints we are engaged against demonic forces in this world. Our war is NOT against the Arabic people, but the demonic spirit that drive Islam. Our war is NOT against the people of India. But against tbe demonic spirit that drives Hinduism. Our war NOT against tbe people of Myanmar. But against tbe demonic spirit that drives Buddhism.

We must distinguish between the people caught up in tbe darkness these various religions and the demonics of tbe religion itself. The people are not our enemy. It is Satan himself.

It is said John 3:16 beats with God's heart throb of people, people, people. Jesus told Peter that he would ve a fisher of men. God is redeeming men and women from every nation. Setting them free by tbe blood of his Son.

If we fail to make the distinction between people and the demonic spirit they are caught up on. Then we ourselves will be caught up in a demonic spirit of racism. And this is a stench in God's eyes. It stems from a sin if pride

In Arkansas where I live two reminders of tbe sin of nationalistic pride stand out. Across tbe northern part of our state are markers that commemorate the Trail of Tears. The markers remind of an injustice done to a civilized First Nations People who were forced off tbeir lands by the Federal government to Oklahoma. Many died on that trail. Those that died were of the Cherekee nation. An injustice some say done in tbe name of God for nationalistic pride
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Another reminder of nationalistic pride is Rohr AR. Here the remains of a detention center for Japanese Americans lie. After the bombing of Perk Harbor. Many Japanese Americans were imprisoned without due process because of the hysteria and nationalistic pride of WWII.

If we are not careful we will fall into the trap of judging Arabs as we judged the First Nations people and the Japanese. Nationalistic pride is a sin in God's sight.

We need to be reminded of Peter who learned from his vision when he told Cornelius. I now realize God does not show favoritism. But accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.

Caps are for emphasis only.

Bearmadter.

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"The difference between them was a spirit of tolerance and mercy in the descendant and a violent and murderous spirit in the ascendant. ".AMRKelly****************

The greatest ascendancy since the days of Mohammad himself began again on September 11, 2001; the days the towers fell, and are in exponential full swing as we speak.
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"And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall;

" Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound."******************************

One of the oddest scriptures out there, and purely prophetic; as in context it associates with one thing only; THE GREAT DAY OF THE LORD!....and the healing of the "stroke of their wound! Jesus will bind that wound on His return at Jerusalem, when He slaughters a 200 million man army gathered to slaughter Israel. THE DAY THE TOWERS FALL! is the world wide birth of the ascendancy of the Anti-Christ, and the New rise of Violent Dominion of Allah.

So, who do you think numbers that army; the army of the anti-Christ....It is an Islamic army, forming today. There are an estimated 40-60 million 5-14 year old boys and girls, in every radical Ashram and Mosque school on the planet that train every morning with oaths to destroy America and destroy the Jews, just like we school children used to say the Pledge of Allegiance every day.

Last Year, the Muslim/Marxist Obama regime, sided with Socialist American power brokers made sure we overthrew any resistance to the Taliban or Al Qaeda type radicals...and financed, and participated in every Muslim Nation listed below:

The Arab Spring, a term given to the Arab Revolution is a revolutionary wave of demonstrations and protests occurring in the Arab world that began on 18 December 2010.

To date, rulers have been forced from power in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen; and civil uprisings have erupted in Bahrain and Syria...[BIG NOW!]; and major protests have broken out in Algeria, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco,[ and Sudan; and minor protests have occurred in Lebanon,[BIG NOW!] Mauritania, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, and Western Sahara.

The major oil rich nations (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Oman) have been able to keep their ruling families in power....[ FOR NOW....BUT THIS IS AN IGNORANT IDEA. THE SAUDI'S AND SUCH ARE ANOINTED BY ALLAH TO BE THE BANKING/BUSINESS CLASS, AND FAITHFULLY FINANCE RADICAL ISLAM ACCORDING TO THE LEADING MULLAH'S DIRECTION, or else.]

Clashes at the borders of Israel in May 2011,[20] and the protests by the Arab minority in Iranian Khuzestan erupted in 2011 as well. Weapons and Tuareg fighters returning from the Libyan civil war stoked a simmering rebellion in Mali, and the consequent Malian coup d'état has been described as "fallout" from the Arab Spring in North Africa.

The sectarian clashes in Lebanon [ Huge today!] were described as a spillover violence of the Syrian uprising and hence the regional Arab Spring. Most recently, in September 2012 a wave of social protests swept Palestinian Authority, demanding lower consumer prices and resignation of the Palestinian Prime Minister Fayyad." [ wiki infused.]

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

This is the Prince of Persia himself; and his name IS in the Bible...[ ALA MAHOZIEM..in Chaldean in Daniel, describing the anti-Christ].****"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

..and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

Islam is challenging the World as we speak[ Iran?]....and is gaining power every day, as we are losing it. This is the will of God, as all authority will be given to Allah and his surrogates, to prove those who love Him more, and I believe that this violence is coming right here to main street, and it will be our choice if we love Jesus and refuse to bow the knee to Allah, and Sharia, or spill your blood.

There are just people in the balances...not races or religions...and our heart ought to be that they and all would be saved and not damned.

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Tom, Islam is but one of many demonic venues by which Satan operates. If you go to India it is Hinduism. In Myanmar or Burma it us Bhuddism in America it is secular humanism. China it is Marxism and so on.

Islam is controlled by a demonic spirit. But I do not see it as tbe religion of the antichrist you assert. But whatever venue Satan uses to deceive people. Our answer must be the gospel of love which is centered on tbe death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

My thoughts.

Bearmaster.

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There is an eschatology that teaches that Islam will be the one world religion and that the anti Christ well be Islamic.

to the heart of the matter, while out is true that Islam is a false religion who's origins and promulgation are demonic, the people deceived by this religion are no different than the people that live on my street. they are lost souls who have been taught a lie and who need Jesus.

It seems that in the places where they are most radical they are kept on illiteracy and ignorance and are manipulated by leadership that, in my opinion, are probably controlled by demons.

praise God for brave men and women in these areas that carry the truth of the gospel to these precious souls.

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"Tom, Islam is but one of many demonic venues by which Satan operates. If you go to India it is Hinduism. In Myanmar or Burma it us Buddhism in America it is secular humanism. China it is Marxism and so on.

Islam is controlled by a demonic spirit. But I do not see it as the religion of the Antichrist you assert. But whatever venue Satan uses to deceive people. Our answer must be the gospel of love which is centered on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ."...Bearmaster

Absolutely Bearmaster! Amen....[ and Twayneb, I respect your views...]....The Gospel is about saving the Lost. There were 1300 Satanic Temples in Rome at the time of Paul the Apostle, and every one worshipped another demon than the other, and deception is a big thing. Counting the ways that Satan can deceive is like counting the stars; too many to count.

For the record I have preached the Gospel multiple times in Hindi India, Marxist China, and materialistic America, and have witnessed massive deliverance among the Buddhists with demons departing with screams. By grace, I have seen Muslims born again too.

These lies are all opposed by the Holy Spirit.....and let us remember that the Holy Spirit opposes them too; This is why the Gospel is a WAR....and a wrestling. Otherwise, you probably are not ministering the real Gospel, or, you too are deceived.

In the end, we will see, and I am not the Word of the Lord...but just a prophetic brother offering my views about the future, and which way the wind is blowing, as I see it.

Islam is the only logical choice as the home of their Anti-Christ, and it is expanding and has all the marks of world dominion....[ 1.4 BILLION souls of date,] and the only religion that will murder you for converting or believing, and in it's militancy slaughters hundreds DAILY!...for daring to refuse to submit to it's demands in Sharia.

Consider the symbolism and the typology revealed in the Revelation of John; NO MAN will get it all down completely, or gather it in a perfect order, but the real goal is to perfectly love and fear the Master Jesus; and out of this there will come a day when we will see through a clear crystal and KNOW!....but we are commanded to attain understanding now too.********************

"And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done."**********

I still believe that this is Islam, and describes it's Anti-Christ....and we are a lot further down the road than we would ever believe, and close to a day when suddenly a hammer will come down upon us, and the persecution THEN will be so terrific that we will be stunned.....and remember....Radical Islam is merciless.....and feels anointed when they murder the infidel. [ JIHAD; The path to their lust filled Heaven.]

Love the sinner, and hate the sin, and YES...Jesus died for all of the wicked...be it the wicked Muslim or the wicked Jew or the wicked Methodist here in America. I need to learn how to love in reality, not just pontificate, and I am working on that.[ mercy please]


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Wow, I hear a lot of glorifying Islam in these postings guys.

There IS going to be a mighty revival that will shake the foundations of the earth. Masses of people will be swept into God's mercy worldwide.

Right now, the Church looks weak, frail, she looks like she can barely keep her own. But that will change.

God is working on His people in the secret places, when the swift current of His grace and power starts to flow faster, we which are alive and remaining shall be caught up together in this swift current of power that God is doing in the earth.

We are calling that we need to pray more, we need to do this that and the other more, that will come, it must come. There is always a people that will seek the face of God for change.

Right now, we are seeking the wrong things. We want the world to change, we want the churches to change, we want the right leader in government. But the time is coming when all that wanting will become absolutely fruitless. We will begin to see ourselves as the vessel that need change for the purpose of carrying within us the Ark of God.

It's not enough to run around trying to save others when we ourselves need change. Yes, we have God in us, but it's not in the degree that it should be. We are stopping up the flow because of the gunk of religion, the crappy teachings. We say things, "God can do this, but God can't do that". When we put limitations on God, we limit Him. When we let go of the things that hinder us we'll see God move in the midst of like never before. When we say stupid things like, "God did it in the first century but He doesn't do that stuff anymore". The expectations of revival is next to nil.

How do we let God change us? By seeking God and allowing Him to reveal our heart so we can see the ugliness of our way of thinking, the things that we have held unto from way back. Even a thought that our Grand-pappy said that he held sacred could be the very snag in our way of thinking. It's not enough to seek God for the purpose of strengthening the things we have come to know. That way is futile. We need to come to Him having the full understanding that we are there to be stripped down of anything that is hindering. We must be prepared to be shocked by anything that we have come to believe as truth to be a half truth or complete error. Many do not want to go through that humiliation. It's a terrible place to go through, but in the end it bringeth forth the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

Islam is nothing compared to what God can do through His people. Islam is a mouth speaking great things but lacking the power to back up it's claims as a peaceful religion. It uses brute force to push it's way into peoples lives. Through fear people give into their evangelistic techniques. In this country, people are "making a peace treaty" as it were with Islam so that they can be "saved" from a terrorist attack.

What a great country the United States once was. A land of freedom and opportunity. A land to escape to if you were being persecuted but now the tables are turning, the persecuted are being persecuted by the very people that the constitutions says they would protect.

I have a feeling that the reason why they can do these things is because that constitution has been changed and we don't know about it. Oh yes, the original document is viewed for all to see, but the amendments made to it..........hmmm, I wonder.

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There IS going to be a mighty revival that will shake the foundations of the earth. Masses of people will be swept into God's mercy worldwide.

Right now, the Church looks weak, frail, she looks like she can barely keep her own. But that will change.*****Approved

I agree...but with glory, there will be judgment.

We must be prepared for the holocaust that is riding these winds of judgment, and realize that this is from the Lord Jesus. We are waking up, even those of us who love slumber.

JUSTICE AND GLORY HAND IN HAND.

Over many years, the Lord has given me several interlocking revelations about His church in America. One important piece of that is THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM! The Lord spoke that phrase, and revealed to me it would center around a “greed mortgage craze”, and there would be massive homelessness from the middle class, and riot like anger within the black and minority community. This was in 2003. A HOLY COMPANY WOULD THEN APPEAR.....{ See the "END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM VISION "....here on Bride in the Wilderness }
http://brideinthewilderness.blogspot.com/

But this is only a small portion of what we can expect to come, both in Glory, and in Judgment.

The end of the American dream is about the holiest company ever assembled in this country, emerging within the greatest financial judgment ever to be in this country. There are two types of judgment. One has Mercy mixed in with it; a type of discipline that gives way to the possibility of repentance, of turning back to God’s way, away from our own, and being restored, healed by our tender Father.

Most of judgment is in this vein, because the Father is most merciful and gracious, and desires all to come to Him. He takes no pleasure in the death and destruction of the wicked. This financial judgment has mercy mixed in it, and God is leaving space for the Church, and America to repent, and believe.

The other type of judgment is a judgment when all mercies are depleted.

This is called Wrath. Consider Jeremiah’s many, many, ignored pleadings with Jerusalem, and then one of them was his last; for the Babylonian warriors broke through the wall and proceeded to rape, murder and plunder; and not even sparing the toddlers and infants.

It was a holocaust; a horror beyond thought; but it was real. One could argue that America was once the cradle of the FREE church of our Lord, maybe foremost in all of the Earth…in the days of her youth. If we have not become the “Great Whore who sits upon many waters”, I assure you that we are a part of her.

We despise Jesus, we mock Him, and MOST of our churches have a mere form of Christianity, but reject the power to become agents of His love and mercy. We are enamored with our own happiness, and promote our wills and lives. God has turned her over to the wolves. “The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?”

The Lord is defining Apostasy here. This is the “what” and “how” of why People fall away. God’s people have fell in love with their own lives. God has become an inconvenience, a burden, a slave master; and they will resist bending to Him or ANYONE, over their dead bodies. THE ONLY MINISTERS THAT THEY ACCEPT ARE THE ONES THAT SPEAK OF PEACE AND PROSPERITY!

We are seeing a flood of sorcerers and magicians and Usurpers that would be unimaginable 10 years ago; and our “Main Line” churches too! A form of godliness wrapped in dead form; Void of the Spirit, yet glorying in doctrine and political correctness.This is why America as a country is being judged. “If the salt has lost it’s saltiness, WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?” “TO BE CAST UPON THE DUNGHILL!”


That’s wrath; utter rejection derived from utter rebellion. In 2001, I was caught up in the Spirit with the Lord. It was a though I was traveling around the Earth with Jahweh; sailing high above, and watching the continents below.

There were no rivers, cities, or wilderness; only a massive wheat field. The sun was shining, the wheat shimmered in a gentle wind. The wheat was mature and golden; the sky was a Robin’s egg blue. It completely covered every bit of surface on these continents; the inhabited ones. Out of the substance of the Earth and the Sun and the Wheat the Lord Spoke; “IT’S HARVEST TIME!”... the vision ended.


For years I had misconceptions of the harvest as being a time of worldwide sweeping revival. I now know that it is not. The Harvest is the “End of the AGE!” The Harvest is the time of exposure, of light revealing and separating the darkness. The Harvest is a time of separation; a time when the evil look alike wheat is exposed for what it really is. POISON!


Matthew 13; verses: 24Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25″But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26″But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27″The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field?

How then does it have tares?’ 28″And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29″But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30′Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”

Remember this; “and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the HARVEST IS THE END OF THE AGE!”; and the reapers are angels.”..vs:39

WE ARE SOON TO ENTER TRIBULATION. We are now experiencing the very beginning of the birth Pains of it. I will now share a very troubling set of visions that I was given, about the wrath part. I was shown the INVASION of AMERICA by foreign armies. In the first vision, I was in the Spirit, and was peering through the reeds, on a bluff above the ocean, on American Soil.


I heard a terrifying thunder of a massive and numerous army marching. I heard the cadence of boots marching in step, so many that the earth shook. I trembled, yet I watched on. Out of the ocean, close to my hiding spot in the reeds, a foreign army arose right out of the sea. These were foot soldiers, dressed in the camouflage stripes of another nation. They all had back packs, and assault weapons, but were staged to fight light, and mobile. They were terrifying in their sheer numbers and power.


A voice spoke to me over my right shoulder; a voice that I know. It was the voice of God, the Lord Jesus. He just said; “20 million.” I understood that this was the number of the invading army. I understood that they were an occupying and an invading army; and there goal was to blitzkrieg to the heart of the cities in overwhelming numbers, and once there, they would be impregnable. Once inside of a city, with perhaps 500,000 men, we would be helpless. This would of course be a sneak attack; and would happen suddenly.


The corresponding vision I had several years before, was about an AIR WAR, on American soil, for AIR superiority before the main body is set to advance. This was near the exact area that I saw the armies rise. I saw a bombing war, with multitudes of attack planes. I saw the enemy with waves and waves ; and when we think we have a chance, another and another wave of fighters and bombers dive in.

I watched this war for a very, very long time, and as I saw it continue, I watched a very small object spinning out of the war, towards me. It was a tree, and as it approached me, it became larger and larger until I saw that it was a tree sent from God.

It was covered perfectly in most beautiful leaves; It was,“The tree for healing for all nations” spoken of in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

It is maturity in the Church. It is Jesus Himself alive in this end times Church, right here in America. The day is coming, when we will no longer be impotent, and lackadaisical. Healing, and power over all of the work of the enemy will be deeds that are commonplace, and it will be the day of instant fruit the Amos prophesied of, when the treader of grapes would be overcome by he who sows the seed.

It will be the fullness of Jesus in His bride; It will be the Overcoming church; the Remnant Bride that has endured to the end, that loved Jesus more than her own way, her own life.

The very sad thing about this, is imminent judgment that must come. I believe that prior to this invasion we will be nuked, along with every military base in the world, and every nuclear ship, and missile base. I believe that this will primarily occur on the East coast, and some cities in the west.

The Midwest will be left for food production. I was not shown this by the Lord; this is my own judgment, but I believe that this horror will leave 100 MILLION Americans dead before the end….TWO FOR ONE, FOR EVERY INNOCENT LIFE MURDERED THROUGH ABORTION! This is Wrath on the unrepentant. I saw this invasion take place on the TEXAS COASTLINE and New Orleans area, on the same path as KATRINA.


It will be a time of horror, hand in hand with the Glory of the ages.
This is me; I was not shown this by the Lord, but I believe when this happens, we will be very close to the MIDDLE of this Great Tribulation. There will be 42 months, at least, to go. Jesus will rescue Israel, and the believers in all of the world then. We will then begin our eternity, as will the many damned, who hate God and his Christ.


I want to give you some signs upon the way, that the Lord has shown me.
I saw the company of real messengers, Apostles, that the Lord has ordained for America. They are broken and filled with holiness, and possessed with more authority that man could imagine. They hate the usurpers, nicolaitans, and false apostles like the NAR and such, and will lay their lives down for the least of the brethren, whoever that those may be.

They are filled with humility and love.
One of the signs that they have manifested is when we see, “AN AMERICAN BAND OF MARTYRS”…These will be saints that will go in the face of death and martyrdom to carry the gospel to foreign shores.

They will be butchered, and slaughtered, but behind them many more will follow, and this will be a pleasing aroma before the Lord. When you see and read of this, then you will know that real Godly apostles are here too, to shepherd the American flock through this tribulation and unto Jesus alone.


The second sign will be harder to perceive, but just as real.
We will begin to see saints that we would consider dead, destroyed and fallen away, restored. Many of them will have been wounded in the current WAR in the church, between an emerging humanist-new age gospel and “apostle” mindset that denies the CROSS, both as Jesus as the only way to God, and the cross that the individual MUST bear DAILY, as he dies to himself, to lives to God, and learns how to love.

People that you would not imagine, will return to the Love of Jesus, and become a blaze for God. It will be amazing, similar to Ezekiel’s “DRY BONES” vision…right here, in America.

There are TEN Virgins: All wake up, but all don’t survive. What is the keystone for the survivors?, and what did the victims of blindness lack? Oil for the lamps. It is the Holy Spirit flowing in relationship with He who stands among the candlesticks. Everyone assumed they possessed it, but really only some did.

This is the most important possession in your entire life, even for Eternity. Do you fellowship with Jesus? Do you know Him? Do you worship Him, in Spirit and in truth, or do you just have an idea of that, or a form of that? Only one thing we will possess in this soon coming trouble is FAITH, a quiet assurance that we know Him who we have rested our soul upon.


Hebrews 11 33 who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. 35 Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection; 36 and others experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment.

They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were)put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated 38 (men of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes in the ground. 39 And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.


This was not written apart from us, even today, and it is more than a historical encouragement, it is a code, a living testament about how true saints will react to extreme hardship and persecution.

Do not be deceived into thinking that a farm in Idaho or a large storehouse will succor you in this time. It will not, and you will be very disappointed. As then, as now, Only a living faith in Jesus, sustained by daily bread, will enable you to endure unto the end; and the end for some of us will surely be martyrdom.


I see the church as a resurrected remnant; a little flock. I see her in twos and threes, where glory falls as well in many, many home churches and personal groups where real relationship will and is able to be cultured. We are now yet in a time of grace where we all can repent, and return to our first loves; where we can determine a life “All for Jesus, No matter the COST!…We have space, but I promise you as I warn you; THE DOOR IS CLOSING!


Also, there is yet space where we can pray for America. Will she repent? Probably not, but Abraham wasn’t slowed up for SODOM, before the Lord with that probability, was he? It is possible that the number of that occupying force and army may be diminished, but not without repentance. Remember Nineveh.

We will need each other much more in the future, and Jesus most of all.

We will seek him continually in these times of trouble, and it is written; “The Lord has NEVER forsaken ANY who seek after Him.” This is the difference in having oil for your lamps, and being left without it, in the most dire of nights. Jesus is Lord and Creator, and Satan, and every one of his devil angels that followed him, are nothing, and less than nothing before His glorious power. They are together less than a drop falling into a cavernous 55 gallon drum, and united less than a match head of chaff, in a forest fire.

Jesus is but using the devil, and anti-Christ, to prove his purposes, and His faithful, and His Faithfulness. when Jesus is done using him, he will be cast headlong into the lake of fire, where he will burn for eternity, along with his brother angels….[ AND ALL OF THE HUMAN LOST..] We are also a part of this trial, that will encompass the entire earth. We overcome by faith.


“BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, THE WORD OF OUR TESTIMONY, AND BY NOT LOVING OUR OWN SELF LIVES, EVEN UNTO DEATH!”
John said, in Revelation, “Your brother, in tribulation and patience.” That’s how it has to be.
Brother Tom Watkins

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