Secession petitions filed in 20 states

In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama...Read more

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html

In the words of Associate Justice of the SC Potter Stewart:

"this is uncommonly silly"

We should be praying, not seceding.

This is just fun to watch because it is so silly. Really? I wrote a little blog article on the election and some thoughts of mine that have rolled around as a result.

One of them is if God is still on the Throne and this election was 'lost' by conservatives, who usually believe in God then what happened during the election? Were prayers answered but conservatives didn't like the answer so they resort to kicking and screaming? If God is still on the Throne and prayer changes things than what was the message? Easy answer is judgement but is that really a true answer to this election? I think it is a copout personally.

Nope im from So Cal lol

But really I meant praying for our leaders because the leaders we have now were divinely instituted. All things work for good. This of course does not mean we shouldn't participate in the political process. We should. But we shouldn't resort to seceding merely because our political choices did not come to pass.

I think that such thinking is silly and divisive.

Our founding fathers were not wrong. Their concerns were with a government that was in a different part of the world; they were being taxed without representation; were being policed by a king from far away; etc. so many more things. The difference today is that the framers took all of their grievances and made sure that we didn't have to suffer. Of course it hasn't been perfect and there have been periods of wrong (civil war, Taney's Dred scott decision) but we have come a long way. So I think our grievances today fail in comparison to what our fathers endured.

Why do the southern states want to secede anyway? I would guess most want to secede because they dislike President Obama. This is not reasonable. Did CA (for example) want to secede merely because we did not President Bush's policies? I think not.

And yes geographically the map is red and most of the influence comes from populated centers such as the one where i live. But we can't forget that even liberal states like CA voted for Reagan, Nixon to name a few. And there's the whole thing about swing states.

And to my last point: many of our most prominent founding fathers did not fear god. They were deists and vehemently opposed any religious interference in the public square. Think Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin

hi, i do not know how it is in the other states;but in texas and louisiana it is serious. the fed owes la. residents millions and millions in unpaid debt. if texla ever leaves you better be a prayer warrior. you will not have oil and gas at the cheap 5 dollar prices and the natural gas to cook with. california is bankrupt and needs to be bailed out.jimp

Quote: You can just about fit Europe into Texas

USA land area = 9.83 million km2
Europe land area =10,180,000km2

the fed owes money to every state. quantitative easing has affected all states.

QUOTE: ""this is uncommonly silly"
We should be praying, not seceding.==ELIAS7291

No, we should be praying AND seceding.

QUOTE: "And to my last point: many of our most prominent founding fathers did not fear god. They were deists and vehemently opposed any religious interference in the public square. Think Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin."==ELAIS

True. Am so tired of Christians pretending our Founding Fathers were "Christians". They were not. Washington was a Freemason, as were many others, and Jefferson was Illuminati. He is also known to have had an affair with one of his slaves. Ben Franklin was a Universalist and Mason. I can't think of a single Founder who was a genuine Christian.

I think to say that all of America's founding fathers were freenasons or they were Christians is an imbalanced view.

Both God and Satan were at work in the birth of this nation.

I find this documentary youtube very balanced in addressing both sides.

http://youtu.be/0DYPn9Dpjww

God bless.

It is hard not to be appalled by the ignorance of the founding of this nation. Never the less, I don't see how singing a petition to succede from the union is immoral. This is a totally lawful act. I don't believe this a call for armed revolution.
No, our kingdom is not of this world, but that does not mean that we should not take an active part in the way that we are governed.

It is hard not to be appalled by the ignorance of the founding of this nation. Never the less, I don't see how singing a petition to succede from the union is immoral. This is a totally lawful act. I don't believe this a call for armed revolution.
No, our kingdom is not of this world, but that does not mean that we should not take an active part in the way that we are governed.

Krispy,

I agree with you. There were some genuine, some deists, etc. I was meaning our most prominent.

Dearly Beloved,
what does one profit from seceding? and to the previous post from timg, it is a totally lawful act to petition to secede. Its the motive that i am concerned about. Why do (Southern) states want to secede?

I think seceding is the total demonstration that one hates america.

And i would disagree with you brother krispy. As much as the federal govt has expanded its power since the new deal, states still retain many rights and the SC has affirmed this. For example, i believe that it was in a souther state that voters voted on whether to limit Obamacare in their state. im not sure if it passed and of course the federal govt can challenge that but this is nonetheless an example of a state retaining a right.

Additionally, there are electoral cycles in which one party becomes the majority in one election and becomes the minority in the next. This has happened since the founding of the nation really and the most notable examples were Republicans have regained control of congress were in 1994 and 2010. Granted in 2010 they only won the House, but that in itself is significant. And a large part of this has to do with grassroots organization, namely the tea party.
So to say that their voices are not being heard is baseless. DOMA is still law and that was passed during the Clinton years for example (but Obama will no longer defend it, but this can change with a change of administrations). Bush was President for 8 years. Conservatives' voices were heard.

Elias

No malice brother. and forgive me if i sound a bit rude.

Haha im aware of that Krispy. i just wanted to point that out so there are no hard feelings between anybody.

But it seems that this thread is getting too heated. So im out.

Please beloved dont let these discussions create division. They do much harm.

Brother Greg forgive me if i have caused this thread to go haywire with my "silly" comment. I would ask this thread to be locked.

Thanks.

Elias

by HezWelling on 2012/11/13 8:45:56

even "evangelicals", who will hyperventilate over a MORMON candidate...a MORMON, thats all they could dredge up.

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Dear Neil I say this with all love brother, its Babylon come out from her, this is just a distraction truly.

God bless
mj

hi, a good question wa asked during the unchristlike attacking. what are the souths interest? right to work, no gay marriage, abortion only to protect the mother or from rape,fiscal responsibility and prosperity for those who live in the state.we are tired of people who live in states that are broke telling us how to do things we are tired of shipping millions of barrels of oil to you and never getting paid from the government for it.we also want freedom of the worship of Jesus with under God in our pledge and manger scenes and christmas carols in our public places.etc...jimp

There is also a deeper way to look a those thinking about a succession.

The true divide is far less "north" or "south" than it is urban/inner city verses the rest of the country.

Have you looked at a county by county map of the 2012 election? If you do you will notice that the VAST majority of counties in EVERY state except a few northeastern states (5, I think) and Hawaii voted overwhelmingly for Romney.

For example, Obama handily carried his home state of Illinois. However, he only actually carried 23 counties in Illinois. HE LOST 79 COUNTIES IN HIS HOME STATE! Basically 78% of the counties in his home state voted against him!

That was true in virtually all states except the few northeastern ones and Hawaii.

What really is ticking so many Americans off is that a few inner cities votes are controlling the entire taxation system, process of election, and all major policies.

Recall the battleground of Ohio? They had 15 counties vote for Obama. There are 88 counties in Ohio. That means 73 counties voted for Romney...yet this small inner city groups are controlling the entire rest of the nation. All a candidate has to do is win about 25 total cities in the whole of US and the deck is stacked against the entire rest of the country.

If you feel I may be exaggerating then give the map at the link below a look. It shows the US election results in a county by county format. Perhaps that will help you see why so many Americans are balking at being controlled in so many venues of life by a few cities.

You will see that outside of the inner city/metro areas that Obama won virtually nothing.

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2012/11/urban-electorate-why-republicans-cant-afford-concede-city-vote-ever-again/3829/

Blessings!

The shameful fighting you see in this thread is an excellent reminder why political themes are no longer allowed here. I am shutting this down with the request that no new ones be started. Please, brethren, let us turn our backs on the transitory darkness and gaze unto the eternal glory of Christ.

Brother Paul