Goodbye SermonIndex.....

To all who visit this site, I say goodbye. I don't say it in bitterness, contention, or youthful zeal not according to knowledge (as some suppose), but with a broken heart and a burning in my spirit. This site used to be a place of wealth in Spirit and pure and true to the Spirit of Christ and the Word of God.
In love, I believe this site, and particularly it's moderation/"authority" stand at a precipice. It is to be a light of all the truths of God's Holy Word, to be birthed AND LIVE EVEN NOW, in the Spirit of Christ, or to accept every wind of doctrine, to allow wolves and leaven in the midst (& to actually bring them in, encourage them, and hold them up as examples).
In love, I care very little what is thought of or said about me, but that people do not believe a lie, the sheep are not led to the wolves, and the Gospel is not stripped of its very self. This site allows for everything these days except gifts of discernment, true prophetic giftings, and the scriptural commands to "exhort, rebuke, correct," etc.
If you came and walked with me, prayed with me, ministered with me, and searched the scriptures with me, you would not see an angry, bitter, harsh, proud, or divisive person. Not hat I have never sinned in these areas at all, but I am not the boogey-man you want to make me so you can ignore my words (which my words matter very little, but I'm referring to the MANY scriptures I have raised that have been TOTALLY ignored, disregarded, and unanswered), nor is Sean, or Jim, etc., etc. There may very well be some "angry watchman" on this site I'm sure, but you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.
By your understanding and definition of what "angry" and "love" are, Carter Conlon's message would be an outright rebuke to his predecessor who had a greater anointed Prophetic gifting than he does, David Wilkerson. Your interpretation of these matters is flawed, but that's probably considered unloving to even say in your opinion.
Under your estimation, I could show you in scripture where Isiaih, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Joel, Amos, Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, James, Jude, Leonard Ravenhill, David Wilkerson, Art Katz, Ian Paisley, etc., etc. we're all "unloving, harsh, and in the wrong spirit". All these men after having been filled with the Spirit of God having Prophetic giftings and God given gifting in discernment.
I fear for the direction of this website and the personal ministry direction of some of the moderators. This is why I have gone to them one on one in love over the phone and poured out what the Lord put in me to share. I am not some angry, proud, religious, "son of thunder". I am just a man who's heart is burning not to let the wolves into the flock. Heck, not just let them in, but leading them in. I have followed the scriptural mandates for rebuking, concerning authority, in sharing in love. Heck, I have followed SI official forum rules some of the moderators who wrote them have not followed like the ones on praying before posting, not having an agenda, not promoting self, etc. I am not defending myself for my own sake, but that any excuse to disregard the truth from scripture I have shared would be showed as what it is - an excuse. A straw man. A banana peal.
We would not have appealed the way/form we did (Sean and I), but when we asked honest questions and appealed directly in love with truth and with scriptures, and with direct quotes (" out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"), we were shut down. Posts were removed, threads locked, etc. - after Greg made insinuations, judged our character/intentions, made indefensible comments we couldn't respond to, etc., and then locked it. How Christlike is that? If you have God given authority here, how ordained of God was that use of it?
I love you all and I pray that God works in all of us, especially me, and I pray that this site not become an old crusty site that used to be birthed of God, but slid step by step into Apostacy. God forbid. If it does continue down that slope, God's Spirit will be fully removed, ICHABOD will be spiritually posed in its header as His glory departs, and I will pray the forums get shut down by the Lord sovereignty so one of the very sites that used to decry the apostasizing of the nations become part of the very beast it used to expose. All to defend an anti-Christ system and it's cheifest proponents.
Make no mistake, their are heart issues that have begun LONG before this came into fruition which no one sees, save the Lord. Just like with Tom from VOM and the devastation wreaked in his life. Where was a brother with REAL LOVE to speak a word of truth in due season? Where was his time with the Lord when no one was looking in place of running around doing ministry? How did this sin become so overwhelming without anyone knowing?
Sin is always this way. So it is with leaders as discernment is GIVEN AWAY and lost and Apostacy ("adultery" - other lovers) is allowed into the house in God's name. If you think this sounds like hate, anger, pride, or unloving, you are wrong. If you think this sounds like an attempt to exhort, rebuke, correct, and warn - you are exactly right. Either way you see it, take it to the Lord. Discernment is kept and flourished by the "mature who through exercising their sense learn to distinguish good from evil". It is lost by the immature and/or rebellious who believe the oldest deceptive line in history - "Did God REALLY say....you will not surely die......you will be LIKE God knowing good from evil (knowing better than God in his overly protective hand is what is implied). It's an attempt to detract from God's character, His Name, and His Word. And, "He has exalted His Word even above His name....the Word of God stands true forever....let God be true and every man a liar..", etc., etc., etc.
"Then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.....and the Spirit of truth will come and bring into your remembereance all the things I have said unto you.....Thy Word is Truth...." - Jesus
If you doubt my love for God, people, and the Truth, feel free to email me personally because my heart is pure and my face is set like a flint. I pray blessing and peace for all of you,
In Christ's name,
Jeff Marshall
jeffmar1130@aol.com

I love you all and I pray that God works in all of us,

SI has not been established as a Church organization, however, the Church does gather here, and where two or three are gathered in His name, He is in the midst of it. We an safely assume that Christ has come at different times in these threads and ministered grace unto the hearers.

I have not yet seen false doctrine being pushed on this site. I have seen it discussed in the threads, but I have not seen Admin Greg or his team support false doctrine. We all may have slight differences in interpreting certain doctrines but I have found that it's a minor disagreement based upon how it's presented. That is why it's important that we exhaust every angle with different ways of telling it because everyone in their hearing hears differently.

About a year ago. Greg put in his sermon collection Rick Warren preaching dynamically on a subject that was noteworthy and worth having in his collection. There arose such a vehement cry to get rid of him off this site that Greg ended up bowing to their demands and had him removed. For the sake of peace among the brethren. I heard the one message by him and was taken aback by it's contents. I was glad and I told Greg that I was glad that that message was here, but some people couldn't stand it.

They said the very same thing your accusing this site of doing.

I've been here for a little while now and I see somethings here and there, but I overlook it because I have my own idiosyncrasies. I do what God does, wink at it. Why? I have chosen to love instead of pointing out every minute microscopic detail in peoples lives. I am not here to judge any man, I have enough of a job judging myself than to pry into the lives of my brethren. Now if the Spirit of God comes upon me and tells me to talk to someone about an issue, then that is a different ball game.

If you believe that this site is fallen into false doctrine, I find it hard to believe that you can say you love everyone when your leaving us in our darkness. If you have light, wouldn't it be better to stay so that your light will shine? I mean think about it. If you were in a place where everyone had the light, your light would be quite dim. The purpose of light is so that others seeking light may be drawn to it, like a moth is drawn to it. Where there is no light the people perish.

Do you want us who are living in false doctrine and darkness to perish?

Where is your love now?

"If you believe that this site is fallen into false doctrine, I find it hard to believe that you can say you love everyone when your leaving us in our darkness. If you have light, wouldn't it be better to stay so that your light will shine?"

How do you do that when the Greg locks your thread, deletes your comments, violates his own forum rules, and when you disagree with him regarding Mother Teresa and the Catholic Church he says and insinuates that you are not walking in love and must be an angry watchman or one of those rebellious types who hates authority.

So, It's not an issue of letting your light shine. If you try to flick the light on it gets snuffed out with presumptuous comments.

Zealousness without wisdom is a dangerous thing.

To quote Forrest Gump: "Thats all I have to say about that."

Krispy

There is a principle Jesus told the disciples about going to a place, preaching the truth, and if they receive you, let your peace rest there, but if they don't - shake the dust off your feet and move along to another place.

What I have shared, Sean has shared, Jim has shared, and others, has not been received, but shunned. Threads locked. Accusations (false ones by the way) and insinuations of our character and motives made. Threads actually totally removed. Then, when we share the Word of God and ask for an explanation, we get the classic Nicolaitains answer (which I totally didn't expect on SI, to be honest), "respect their authority and stand down and shut up".

I/we have labored in this repeatedly to no conclusion, nor growth. Rick Warren is a false teacher. Period. Joel Osteen is a false teacher. He may say some things that are true, but do we then promote them? God forbid. There is a famine in the land for the Word of God. People here don't know the Word of God, and "they get mad when you try to show them" (see Counterfiet Christianity under David Wilkerson's sermons). And it is becoming obvious many have not the Spirit of God (which is the Spirit of Truth), and don't care what the Word of God says, but what their own heart tells them ("the heart is deceitfully wicked above all things! Who,can know it?"). What's worse, now we "put up with another Gospel, another faith, and another spirit, which is accursed" and defend it tooth and nail.
Catholicism is a false religion from hell carried by demonic influence. The fact that's not enough to steer people from upholding Mr Theresa as "an example" to the saints is scary. Where has discernment gone? I have tried to love, to share the word of God, to rebuke gently, to speak in private, then with two or three, then publicly. I have tried to ask questions to get the moderators to think about what is being said and done, and none get answered, scriptures get ignored, and the "stone him to silence him - he's unloving" chants and actions begin.
I have tried, but I believe the prophetic voice (from the Spirit of God) of discernment is intentionally being ignored. There is a great falling away which has already begun and is coming in greater measure. There is a sword of the Lord which comes forth from the mouth of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah which divides, like it or not. So to go on this way is becoming pointless and fruitless. Everyone wants to point to Greg's all-powerful authority, and not the Word of God, so I am simply going to do as the Lord leads me, and in love, I care very little how you judge me, but there is one who will judge the living and the dead. It is unto Him we will all stand or fall. He will burn away the wood, hay and stubble. He will separate sheep and goats. He will put false teachers and tose who bear with them in their rightful place one day. What an awesome and fearful reality that is.
Again, my heart is clear, my conscience clear, and my spirit pure.

Wake up brother... it's your contentiousness that is getting your threads locked.

If I, Krispy Kritter, am telling you that you are being contentious... then brother, you are being contentious!

Stop pretending to be a martyr.

Krispy

Brother, in love, you all who are making these statements have posted thousands upon thousands of times. Always having something to say and the mere quantity of posts show a desire to be heard (sorry, but it does).

The few of us feeling a burden to share this average 200 total posts, though we have been on here for years and years.

My heart is not contention. It is the purity of the Gospel. You've posted on here over 8,000 times, have been on here for years and years, and yet you think speaking up about not gleaning from cults is being contentious? And you have wisdom and we have bad spirit zealousness? Honestly, I think more growth would come at this point if the forums were shut down and people read the Word of God, fasted & prayed and sought the Lord, and maybe listened to the sermons from the speakers on this site (like Katz, Washer, Wilkerson, Daniels, etc., etc.)

Go ahead and marginalize me if you wish. You say you have been accused and your character questioned… but you do not hesitate to do that to others. I find that humorous that you would say that.

As I said earlier, I actually agree with your position. I support it. What I don’t support is your treatment of Greg and the Admins publicly. I’ve had my issues with them, and I have handled them privately… and was not always satisfied with the results. But what you have done here today is inexcusable, friend.

And now you make a big show of leaving over it. And you say I want to be heard? C’mon man. If you’re gonna go then just go. If you are leaving then why are you still reading and replying? Log out and leave.

Buh-bye.

Krispy

Christina... All I have done has pointed out that the issue with these brothers post is THEIR contention toward those who moderate this forum. This is not about me. They want to claim to speak the truth, but they are not doing it with love.

Others have pointed this out to them as well. It is they who do not receive anything from anyone. And because they have not gotten their way one of them is making a show of leaving this forum... tho he has not left because he keeps reading and posting.

Do not make this about me. They are wrong for how they have publicly called out Greg and the mods, and how they have conducted themselves here.

They want to be harsh and bold in their statements, but they can not take it when someone reproves them.

Krispy

Sister... the tone of my post is completely up to your own interpretation. You may read something I write and think I am ranting and screaming. Someone else may read it and wonder why I am being so soft toned.

I assure you... I am not frustrated with our brother. I started out trying to show him that this issue with the mods is not really about his points... but about his attitude. Nothing more.

What I wont do is let him turn this around and make it about me. I have had nothing to do with it. I was firm on that, yes.

A lot is lost in interpretation when it comes to forums, emails, etc. I've learned that over the years. If you wish to be convinced that I am being harsh and mean spirited, then there really is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. My conscience is clear.

If you feel sympathetic toward our brother and believe he has been wronged then that is your choice. I would, however, recommend that you go back and read the posts and threads that have led up to all of this. Judge for yourself the best you can. Keep in mind that I AGREE with our brothers points, and disagree with Greg in some of this... but it's the ATTITUDE. Thats the problem.

Krispy

I am not trying to make a show of anything, but my heart longs for the sheep, the simple, and the immature.

FYI - I went to Greg privately and bore my heart with trembling in my belly. After much prayer and seeking the Lord for purity and clarity. Yet, he makes it his agenda to uphold satanic cultists as example for the saints, so what am I supposed to do? Leave it? Let the sheep eat it? This is supposed to be an open forum, right?

But it has been opened to anything/everything except warning the saints of looking to cultists as examples. That gets you locked, shut down, etc. And Sean and I weren't being contentious. In some we just posted quotes and scriptures and they were deleted. What's contentious or loving in that?

Does Greg's authority supersede the authority of scripture? Absolutely not. He never answered one scripture reference/question. Just lock it, delete it, and make insinuations and judgements on the way out. So where does contention lie there?

When I do finally log off, it will be good bye. But to have the undiscerning tell others false accusations about my intentions and the importance of the Gospel on the way out doesn't sit well with me. Krispy, you showed up late in this to have all knowing knowledge of the events, precursors, causes, etc.

So you can discern I have a wrong attitude somehow when I share truth, but you are ever clear of this? You are rebuking me of something in a thread you yourself are doing...

Krispy, you showed up late in this to have all knowing knowledge of the events, precursors, causes, etc.

I stayed out of it until today... but I have been reading it all along. I'm well aware of what we are talking about.

You claim there have been untrue accusations leveled at you, but you just said: "to have the undiscerning tell others false accusations about my intentions and the importance of the Gospel on the way out doesn't sit well with me."

You dont consider that to be an untrue accusation?? Are you not also judging the intentions of men you do not even know? The Gospel is on the way out?

While I do not agree with Greg on everything, one thing I do know... the furtherence of the gospel is paramount to him. You are in no position to judge that about that man, or any other man.

You are doing the exact same things that you accuse the mods of doing to you!

Duplicity... you need to consider that perhaps you struggle with it.

I'm not upset with you, frankly I couldn't care less what you do. Stay, go... makes no difference to me. People have this misconception that I am always mad about something. I'm not.

But yes, brother... you ARE in fact showboating for all to see. If the Lord has led you to shake the dust off your shoes and move on down the road then by all means be obedient and get on with it.

Krispy

something just doesnt ring right here....certain words you use, the whole performance...and thats what it is really is...a performance...or maybe considering "Sscott"(Sean?) seemed to join with you, it seems to me to be a like a cyber "flash mob"...or a "hit"...and assassination on Greg's character in Messiah.

Quite a performance, the opening act, tension, drama, conflict, and then the goodbye, the "dusting off of the feet"...well, actually two curtain calls, the second entitled

" A farewell and a warning for those hear on SI"
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=47666&forum=35

which is more than a bit strange.

nice witness...then again the unemployment rate is 7.9%...or are you the pastor Jeff marshall at Chatham Pentecostal...a "oneness" UPC church?

didnt you say you were leaving?

(later add: NO! hey, you're still here, maybe you have time for a night performance, and we can make this a wonderful 12 plus hour cyber scrum.....now THAT is a really great witness!)

So you can discern I have a wrong attitude somehow when I share truth, but you are ever clear of this? You are rebuking me of something in a thread you yourself are doing...

You admitted that you are upset. If you didnt have a wrong attitude you would leave quietly instead of making sure everyone in the world knows why you left. OK?

This isnt about me. Stay focussed.

I dont have anymore time for this foolishness.

Krispy

Lord Forgive me for getting into a side issue argument with you over non-essential talk (where there is much speaking, sin is not absent). My heart is set on the purity of the Gospel and the sheep. I am certainly through discussing any/all matters with you personally brother.
God Bless,
Jeff

Phew... thank you Lord!

Krispy

I hope you saints are happy. For you have just run off a man who was standing for gospel truth. Unity will be preserved. But at what cost? One must wonder?

Bearmaster standing down.

I hope you saints are happy.

oh just delighted bear! its been a wonderful day here, great witness. thanks for popping in, you're a real bit of balm in gilead.

Hate to be all scriptural again, but the "balm in Gilead" wasn't a good thing. Look it up. God was asking Israel if "there was a balm in Gilead" in typical OT rhetorical fashion. God was saying will anything else you have been trusting in besides Him (idolatry) be able to truly bring healing & save you? Not trying to be "contentious", but we can look at scripture and it's contextual meaning still without it being taken wrong, right?

"I hope you saints are happy. For you have just run off a man who was standing for gospel truth"

Brother I have often wondered what the people of Israel felt after cursing Jeremiah and saying his word was but wind. I picture him standing outside of the temple (Jeremiah 7) bringing forth the word of the living God and the people are so proud and hard of hearing. They twist his words and say he is the one in sin. They start an immediate character attack to try and ruin his credibility before he ruins there good time of drifting with the spirit of the age. They call him an angry watchman, and yell things like by what authority do you speak. They claim that no real prophet would defile the temple by standing outside and preaching such a hate filled and bitter message. They do not see the tears he weeps for them in private. They have it all wrong, they call light darkness and darkness light because he preaches against something that has taken root in their hearts.

He preaches against evil practices, and there is something in their hearts that causes them to then preach against him. He has struck an idol, a lie in their hearts, and who is he to say such things as this. By what authority does he speak? Doesn't he know he is turning off all of the gentiles who are in town to visit the temple this weekend. We must do something about this man, he will bow to our religious authority or we will deal with him accordingly.

In Christ -jim

There has been a lot of talk of love on this subject, I have not seen much expressed to jeffmar. I have been around the block enough time to at least know this, sarcasm is never of the Lord. If one is going to express love to Catholics, they may want to begin with expressing love to one another.

The truth, expressed in love is one of the most missing ingredients in modern day Christianity. It is assumed that if one expresses a hard truth then it must be minus love. I reject this as not true. Certainly one can be dogmatic and without love in their expression of a hard truth but it does not follow, it is not automatic, it can never be assumed but must measured. Also, one can suffer from severe timidity and try and pass it of as Spirituality when in fact all it is is cowardice.

The days are coming brothers and sisters and indeed are upon us when there is an all out assault on truth. My advice is to stay very close to the Lord, stay very close to His word, never compromise on what has been revealed to you and be soaked in love. I see spiritual warfare in these threads and my advice to all concerned is to take a step back, for at least a few days and pray on it. Make sure your heart condition is correct and ask the Lord to show you and reveal to you His truth in these matters.................bro Frank

ps my opinion on Mother Theresa is too well know as to warrant any adding to this debate.

Neil said:

"(later add: NO! hey, you're still here, maybe you have time for a night performance, and we can make this a wonderful 12 plus hour cyber scrum.....now THAT is a really great witness!)"

Neil, I love and care for you as a brother in Christ (as do I Jeff). You mentioned to bear about bringing healing balm and in the same breath let this out? Can fresh and polluted waters flow from the same stream brother? It would not be out of line to mention that you and I have both gotten emotional on here in the past when something was burning in our hearts. If there is something not right here as you suggested, you should start by looking at your own comments.

If you ever make it out of the woods and head to the jungle of detroit my home is open to you despite your mocking of brother Jeff.

In Christ-Jim

Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; profuse are the kisses of an enemy.

Appolus,
I don't know your thoughts on Mr Theresa, but agree whole-heartedly with what you have said here. Spiritual warfare is exactly what it is. Not imagined or self imposed martyrdom drama either, but real and the stakes are high. The sheep, the truth, the Gospel, & most of all the Glory of God.
Jeff

Brother I have often wondered what the people of Israel felt after cursing Jeremiah and saying his word was but wind. I picture him standing outside of the temple (Jeremiah 7) bringing forth the word of the living God and the people are so proud and hard of hearing. They twist his words and say he is the one in sin. They start an immediate character attack to try and ruin his credibility before he ruins there good time of drifting with the spirit of the age. They call him an angry watchman, and yell things like by what authority do you speak. They claim that no real prophet would defile the temple by standing outside and preaching such a hate filled and bitter message. They do not see the tears he weeps for them in private. They have it all wrong, they call light darkness and darkness light because he preaches against something that has taken root in their hearts.

He preaches against evil practices, and there is something in their hearts that causes them to then preach against him. He has struck an idol, a lie in their hearts, and who is he to say such things as this. By what authority does he speak? Doesn't he know he is turning off all of the gentiles who are in town to visit the temple this weekend. We must do something about this man, he will bow to our religious authority or we will deal with him accordingly. jim

Well brother this will answer both your comments this one and the one you made to me directly. Then there will be no misunderstanding as to what I am about and why.

You speak of Jeff as though he were a prophet. Not a man who has an ability to comprehend sound doctrine and therefore by reason error. All who call themselves prophets or else allude to the meaning of that name ought to be able to speak according to the day in which they live. We do not live in the time of Jeremiah or the time of Paul or Peter we live today. We do not live in the year 1959 when Mr Ravenhill made his observations regarding the Roman Church. It is complete foolishness to contend for sound doctrine by alienating the very people you are seeking to reach with the Gospel of Grace. Whether Jeremiah wept in privacy or in public is a pedantic observation he is simply said to have wept. If you insist on presenting other men or else defending them as prophets then expect to be resisted. Let me say it plainly brother. I am against the prophets who have no actual discernment as to what God intends in the day they live in. What good is so-called prophetic utterance which in truth amounts to no more than repeating what countless others, who make no such claim are able to espouse perfectly clearly. This is not prophetic it is not even the gift of prophecy it is merely understanding. It may be from books and it may be from the heart of Christ to a man who himself has a love of the Truth. But it is not prophetic.

How quickly the "prophets" gather to rush to the door of their favoured man and thereby prevent the aggressor from entering in. Yet if those who were doing the rushing were indeed prophets they could not but succeed or else they are not prophets at all but mere men as are others mere men.

Here is a link to a thread which spells it out clearly brother. Whether you read it or not is a matter for you.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=45991&forum=34&0

As to whether I have slandered anyone as you have said would be something better said by the man himself. All the rest would be fruitless to address.

"You speak of Jeff as though he were a prophet."

Just a brother with a burden, if he has the five fold gift of being a prophet I don't know. I realize I use the term in an over general sense I think that may have offended your theology. Sorry if that is the case, I meant no harm by it. I am more interested in the heart of God for His people in the last days then in debating words or theology.

"All the rest would be fruitless to address."

Agreed, you can have a last word if needed but I will not add any more as it would be fruitless contention. -Jim

[edit - I stand by my thoughts on jeremiah, all scripture is profitable even if it was for jeremiahs day].

Cults don't just start as cults. Their beginning is quite genuine.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

They went out in their zeal believing that what they heard was right. But slowly they go further into error.

Some of these people in their beginnings have written some good stuff. For instance, some of the writings Ellen G. White are quite remarkable. Sure she got mixed up in law, but she also believed in grace, faith, and judgment.

I don't know about you but I am open to what the Spirit of God wants me to know. A couple of years ago I had a desire to get a hold of Mary Baker Eddy's book, Keys to the scriptures. I had no idea why I was trying to get hold of this book, none whatsoever. I was learning more about faith and I got the book and just flipped open the book and my eyes rested on a short sentence about faith. That was it. I tossed the book out because Jesus didn't want me to read the whole thing. Sure He could have used the bible or some great preachers writings, but He chose this.

You know what I think He was doing? I think He was testing me to see If I would go where no fundamental believer would dare to go. I mean imagine, here you are a prophet of God following God and then God says, And the LORD said to Jeff, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.

I mean come on. Who would do that today? We cross all our "T's" and dots our "I's", our doctrine is so tight that God's Will couldn't get in edge ways if He tried. We would be just like Peter, "Not so Lord, no unclean thing has entered my mouth".

I did not say the above people were saints, only that God used their writings to show me a thing or two.

But I think you've already formed your opinion. Thats okay.

The point is obvious from Jeff that he disagrees with how the site is run and ways the truth are promoted. I do not agree at all with the tone and way he brings the truths he brought out and sermonindex is not a personal platform for him nor this type of communication.

Anyone reading through the posts today caught the harsh sentiment and this is not profitable as bill pro alluded to.

I am locking this thread and brother Jeff stated he is moving on from participation in the forums. It is never enjoyable for me or any of the other moderators to moderate the forums or even in an extreme case such as this to remove an account.

This thread is locked.

brother Frank,

all of a sudden, this morning like a thunderstorm, posters Jeffmar and Sscott descended on the forum. instead of describing the subject matter, the spirit in which it was done, and the strawdog argument set, please allow me to link the threads, most locked, that followed like summer deluge, accusations a-flying from this pair, who i believe acted in concert.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=47649&forum=34&3

here's what i believe to be the original strawman
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=47647&forum=34&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=1

here's a thread Greg posted about mother theresa, that really got the lads whipped into a frenzy
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=47638&forum=34&start=10&viewmode=flat&order=1

then once whipped into a frenzy, they went into overdrive
Sscott brings Ian into the fray
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=47660&forum=34&8

Sscott couldnt neglect Len
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=47661&forum=34&4

then Jeff tied the whole mess together
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=47656&forum=34&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=1

what i'm saying Frank the threads were just flying in as thick as arrows, Greg posted almost as a "defense"
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Bro Frank, it was the WAY they came in, and in my heart, it dovetails with what we have been speaking of, the coming persecution will not come from outsiders, atheists, or muslims, but from within.....its been a very sad day on this forum.

I have not seen where Jeff claimed to be a prophet. But I agree with Jim. He is a brother with a burden for for the truth and purity of the gospel. So why is he being excoriated? Because he dared to stand for tbe truth of Jesus?

Several weeks ago my threads were locked down for warning of Mormonism. And that for tbe sake if unity. I respected the moderators decision to do so. But I wonder for tbe sake of peace and unity where do we cross over into compromising gospel truth. And we condemn those who speak the truth as being tbe heretic.

Someone posted earlier this is a discussion forum. We are to examine all things in light of the word if God. I have seen where Jeff gas been taken to task as being not loving, an angry watchman, and so forth. But have you examined his message? Has what Jeff said run counter to tbe gospel?

This us a day when deception fills tbe airways . And many are being ked astray. Even to believe Mr Theresa was saved. One would hope on her death bed she would have come to Jesus. I used to believe that she was saved. But seeing her writings I am not convinced she had an authentic experience with Jesus. And she was part of RCC. This is tbe one evil institution that has persecuted our brothers and sisters in times past. Most notedly tbe Anabaptist. Yet a brother who brings this truth out is taken to task. I stand amaze

I believe Jeff has spoken in love. He has warned tbe body. And so have others.. The questions is. Is the body, the church listening?

Bearmaster.

L