This might be one of the answers to all us who have agonized in prayer for revival in this nation.
Your not going to believe this! I am speechless! Whatever you are doing stop and watch this! This is exactly the voice we have been crying out that the Lord would raise up! Praise the Lord!!!
http://www.revivalschool.com/boldness-jonathan-cahn-presidential-prayer-breakfast/
GREAT MESSAGE!
Here is a better copy of it: http://youtu.be/uphLgrphOCA
I got this link from his Jonathan Cahn's website:
this is a mighty prophetic word to be spread and obeyed.jimp
I am very surprised that there is not more feed back on this message.
Here are some comments from a friend of mine from Lafayette La. that is a leader in his area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mhRBOKb_6I
"Please , when you have 35 minutes watch the Inaugural Prayer Breakfast Message brought forth by Johnathan Cahn. It is the most Bibliical call to our Nation that I have heard at a "Public" event. He calls our nation back to God and True Repentance! 15 years ago I wrote a book entitled America Awaiting the Verdict (you can read the whole book on the interent) and I believe this message is identilcal in a call to a nation that is
Teetering on God's Judgement! "Blessed is the Nation whose God is the Lord!" Blessings, Mike
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Author Jonathan Cahn's prophetic novel THE HARBINGER, is being highlighted once again in some Christian circles as a result of him having been the keynote speaker at the Presidential Inaugural Prayer Breakfast in Washington DC on inauguration day. With that in mind I am taking this opportunity to post a review about Rabbi Cahn's book that highlights Isaiah 9:10, along with other Biblical prophecies about Israel and Judah during Isaiah's time. Cahn points out what appear to be undeniable similarities between Israel and Judah then, and the United States from its beginning until now. He warns that unless our nation repents it will be judged according to Isaiah's prophecy. Well, while I am thrilled to see anyone take such a bold stand in calling our nation to repentance, and while I would love to think that a significant number of people in high levels of government would take heed, it is clear that his clarion call to our secular nation and a secular people has become another diversion for the Body of Jesus Christ away from facing own need for real repentance, coupled with an absolute resolve to walk toward spiritual maturity. If God were to choose to bring His own people to repentance and spiritual maturity as a result of national repentance, my focus would be for America's repentance too. But that has never been the pattern with God for a secular nation. It has always been through His own people that repentance comes. Also, we must remember that while America prospered, the Body of Christ went awry - and so that was the case with Israel too under both King David and King Solomon. When David was at ease, he fell into gross sin and the nation suffered; and while the whole nation was enjoining prosperity and peace under King Solomon, Solomon took up the worship of idols and the nation was divided! You see. There is more than one prophecy that should be taken into account when we consider to what degree we should pursue a national revival through repentance of a secular people. Rabbi Cahn's call is specifically to the secular leaders and general populace of the nation. Of course anyone would seem to be against God for discouraging an authentic national revival, but one does not have to discourage that while prioritizing the need to recognize the times in which we live and pray according to the Spirit for that particular season. Now is the time when those of us who are born of God's Spirit should have our eyes open to the reality of this season and focus accordingly. We are at the end of the age when all kingdoms of the world are predestined by God Himself to fall into a state of Babylonian drunkenness, and when the Body of Christ should above all else, "edify itself." This is not to say that we are to be self-centered in a carnal way, but that unless we are prepared spiritually for what is about to overtake the world, we will not be able to withstand the days ahead; and we will certainly not be able to show forth God's glory in a way that will cause the world to run to Him. The idea that God will suddenly equip us for hard duty even though we have neglected the spiritual exercise necessary for that duty is scripturally unfounded. The prophet Jeremiah wrote: "If you have run with the footmen, and they have wearied you, Then how can you contend with horses? And if in the land of peace, In which you trusted, they wearied you, Then how will you do in the floodplain of the Jordan?" Jer. 12:5 In closing. I praise God for the boldness of repentance preachers, of which I am one; but my primary focus will be on preaching repentance to the Body of Christ and our own spiritual maturity. I hope you will join me in that.
hi, it is myOPINION that this was a great message. my question is how can a nation repent but that the individuals who live in that nation repent and turn towards the Lord?the Holy Spirit causes this repentance. i am reminded of the story when the ny times reporters went to wales to report on the great revival and they asked a policeman where the revival was ... the policeman answered "hear in my heart" jimp
Proclaimit, your response to this message is quite baffling. In the first place, the TRUE body of Christ has already repented and is growing in spiritual maturity. You maintain that your "primary focus will be on preaching repentance to the Body of Christ and our own spiritual maturity." Repentance is making a 180 degree turn ... turning from our wicked ways ... which true members of the body of Christ have already done.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
While you maintain that the body of Christ needs to repent, you also hold that: "the Body of Christ should above all else, "edify itself." " Those two do not go together. One cannot be edified unless he has truly completely repented. To edify means to "build up". If you are building up an unrepentant people, you are strengthening the hands of the wicked.
Please look at how he addresses this message and to whom he addresses it:
"Members of the presidential inaugural breakfast committee, members of congress who have been here, senators, representatives, ambassadors, and delegates from other nations who are here, ministers, and people of God and friends and media, we are gathered here in Washington D.C., America's capital city on January 21st, 2013 the morning of the presidential inauguration with one agenda and one purpose to come before the Lord and in His presence to seek His face and pray for His blessing and His will and His purposes for its president for its government, this nation and its people."
He is addressing a people who have gathered to seek God. Whatever group he might address will contain the same kind of mix that your local church body contains: a certain percentage of genuine believers, a certain percentage of hypocrites, and a certain percentage of nonbelievers. Part of the body of Christ can be found in most any mixture of people in the USA, but what higher likelihood than a "prayer breakfast"?
Instead of trying to downplay the message, you should be thanking God that such a message managed to become so publicly heard! Please keep seeking the Lord. As you mature in the Lord, you will become more like the Lord. Peter states very clearly that the Lord's desire is for ALL to come to repentance:
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Thank you for your thoughtful comments, and for bringing my attention to something that I missed. He did address his message to "ministers, and people of God," along with the others. I would remind you to note what I said about hearing his message.
"Well, while I am thrilled to see anyone take such a bold stand in calling our nation to repentance, and while I would love to think that a significant number of people in high levels of government would take heed..."
"I praise God for the boldness of repentance preachers..."
"Of course anyone would seem to be against God for discouraging an authentic national revival, but one does not have to discourage that while prioritizing the need to recognize the times in which we live and pray according to the Spirit for that particular season."
Brother, I think that we are all maturing together. How wonderful it would be for everyone in our nation, or just a substantial number of unbelievers in our nation to come to real repentance. Then they could set an example for the larger church body that for the most part is walking in apostasy. That would be great! However the Lord may do it. We do not have a precedent of that in history though. At least that I am not aware of. We do have centuries of precedent for the Body of Christ specifically to come to repentance and spiritual maturity leading a nation to Christ. It could be that the body is too far gone, and real repentance from a myriad of unbelievers is more likely. I praise God with you if that is the case. Again, thank you for your comments and helpful criticism. in Christ, MC
Forgive me for my ignorance, but was this an official event and was the President and government officials there?
I do question the way he compared the USA with biblical Israel as if the USA was a covenant nation like Israel was. That said, it is good that a voice is being heard to call a nation to repentance and faith in Christ.
Dear Ones,
I pondered that speech and was almost in tears of joy hearing Brother Jonathan Cahn cry out for repentance in America and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Yeshua HaMassiac. God raised up this man to speak to Jew and Gentile alike.
I did a quick google on jewishdatabank.org Population stats.
According to their data of 2012 there are 6,588,000 Jews in America.
There are 5,978,600 Jews in Israel as they are 75% of the population.
With just this quick research, wouldn't you agree that a good portion of Israel is in America? Praise God for this man's boldness!!!!! Lord God, sweep across this nation and bring repentance.
Jonathan Cahn made his position clear in his book the Harbinger. He intended the book to be the warning (Harbinger) before the judgement else the very word harbinger has changed it's meaning. This breakfast would not have had a security clearance equal to the people the message was addressed to, so therefore there would have been none of the people it was addressed to there. Whether they (the leaders of a nation) will hear of it is a mute point. Two years ago perhaps even less I came to this site for the first time with thought of America as a christian nation in rather the same terms that brother Jonathan illuminates. I knew about the false doctrines which have spread across the world from the USA and I thought in terms of a nation repenting as well. I was quiet excited at the thought of the uniqueness of the USA, its founding moments etc, but over the past 12 months it has become increasingly clear to me that the problem of one nation is pretty much the same for another. Britain had its commonwealth under Cromwell, it was a time of new government and new beginnings, just as the USA was a new beginning born out of war, yet unlike the USA, Britain realised that no possibility of a new beginning really existed. Cromwell refused the crown and the King of Scotland was invited to be King of England as well as being King of Scotland. It is said that this too was a new beginning, but in reality there is no such thing for a nation. Not only this Israel was a nation under God in perfection of purpose of God, a unique fact and one never to have been repeated ever. No I think that it is part of the vanity of the USA to believe that it is or was a christian nation. It never was.
If anything this message from Jonathan will signal the wrong kind of hope. I notices how the applause always came from the emphatic sayings which concerned the proclamation of wicked sin, without once actually naming the sin itself directly. Yet this still produced a shared hope in that breakfast, evident by the applause. It seems to me that as long as someone is willing to be emphatic enough others will take hope from their emphasis. What is really needed thought is those who already understand the nature of the sin, to cease from it themselves and repent themselves and turn themselves and prepare themselves for what lies ahead. In conclusion it is already too late for the USA, Britain and most of the western world. The bridles of the horse are already on our cheeks.
I just listened to the message. As a whole the message spoke of repentance. The end of the message spoke of the need to be in Jesus. We ca take apart the message and debate its theology. But compared to past Presidential breakfasts. This message was more in tune with the Bible. The inky thing is America and the church will still shake its fist at God. They will say we will not have this man rule over us. Then judgement will come.
I believe it is already to late. The only hope would be for a remnant to come out io Babylon to be saved.
My thoughts.
Bearmaster.
There were many insightful comments made on Andrew Strom's website. The message was not perfect, and there are some things that pertain to nationalism that are in question. But taken as a whole, I believe that this message is the heart of God for America. We cry out to God that in His wrath, He would remember mercy.
Mike
Saints, brother Mark Case has done a review on Johnathan Cahn and the Harbinger.
"Author Jonathan Cahn's prophet book THE HARBINGER, is increasing in popularity. Much of his rise to fame among some Christian circles is due to his strong call for America's leaders to repent. His latest message give at the Presidential Inaugural Prayer Breakfast on inauguration day. Please consider listening to my 5 min. review on this important prophetic theme about America's future" (Mark Case).
Please find the link below:
Dear Brothers and Sisters, It is such a blessing that we can have this sweet, honest dialog about important current issues such as this. "Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity." Psalm 133:1
Let me be quick to confirm that I would love to see a prophet speaking with such boldness as Jonathan Cahn on every street corner of every city across our land. I have said that many times from the pulpit, and thought of that again this morning during a time of prayerful reflection on these things. I would not want to discourage anyone who with broken heart and contrite spirit would give such a clarion call for righteousness regardless of the setting. I certainly do not want to discourage the fundamental message that Bro. Cahn is proclaiming - a need for national repentance along with a strong warning of judgment without it. Amen. If I have discouraged that in you through my criticism, please accept my apology.
That being said, I would try to explain more clearly my frame of thought in the commentary that I thought the Lord gave me to share. If I share these things as bullet points, I can be more brief.
1) The Christian community in America has a strong pattern of sternly criticizing the unsaved community, and its unsaved politicians for their failure to commit to righteousness and to pass righteous laws. But fellow disciples of our Lord, let us remember that they are lost and cannot possibly adhere to our "commandments" with hearing ears. That, however, wouldn't be so bad since we do have a precedent in the scripture with Jonah's call to do the same in Nivenah (a gentile nation). But that same Christian community throughout America has clearly and unabashedly neglected the voice of true prophets within her own midst, calling her to real repentance. You see, we continue to blame our lack of unrighteousness and unholiness on the secular world. For example, Hollywood is not the Christians problem, and fixing it will not solve our problem; yet many mainstream Christian leaders rebuke them constantly. The problem lies within our own ranks, and if those problems were solved, Hollywood would be lost in the shadows of God's glory. With this in mind, it is difficult for me to rejoice with much exuberance over Bro. Cahn's proclamation - though I do not want to discourage it.
2) The endorsers of The Harbinger, Author Cahn's book on this subject, are leaders of mainstream charismatic Christianity. I well remember the high points of that earlier movement, having received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit myself in 1976. I thank God for His work through it, but like every other move of the Spirit upon men, we mess it up royally as soon as possible and thanks to man's influence the charismatic movement has resulted in a royal spiritual mess. Please consider a holy review of the men Bro. Cahn chose to endorse his book. This should send red flags up about this whole matter right away. It was some of those same men, and many other mainstream Christian men like them that strongly endorsed Mel Gibson's movie, The Passion - which upon further investigation revealed unbelievable satanic influences at its root, and all the way through. I would add that the precious Holy Spirit had me prepare a strong rebuke to it BEFORE it hit the big screen. I was rejected for that too.
Finally,
3) In Bro. Cahn's book, it is abundantly clear that he is calling for repentance based upon the threat of losing America as we have known it. Please consult his book for your own witness. I find this a serious infraction on Truth. In this, Bro. Cahn's heart was revealed; and the hearts of the mainstream leaders were also revealed. Dare not they lose their beloved American platforms where they are free to spew "another gospel," lest they lose their notoriety and all that goes with it too! Dear ones, we should be calling for real repentance based upon the life and death of our precious Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and all that God continues to do in His long-suffering love for His name on earth. This is a primary reason that I lose enthusiasm over Bro. Cahn's message, whether written or preached. Regardless of how powerful a message of repentance may sound, and in spite of the great need for it, we should not be challenged to repent because our country is at stake, but that our Lord's name is at stake! There was no direct mention of this in His book.
Well, may our Lord be praised. And may He help us grow together in the precious Holy Spirit of His grace as we continue to be driven more deeply into "the evil day." Apostasy is at an all time high, and we are in desperate need of real revival preachers, but along with them we need real Holy Spirit discernment too.
in His grace, MC
I listened to this sermon last night and was gratified to hear the boldness of Cahn in calling the nation to repentance.
I tried to find out who all were in attendance at this particular breakfast but had no such luck.
I am wondering how many preachers would have softened their message in order to not offend the powers that be. His boldness reminded me of Mother Teresa who spoke out forcibly against abortion a few years ago at this same breakfast. If I recall she got a standing ovation by many. The sitting president and those with him stayed seated.
We do not know who will benefit from having heard this sermon, or how many will take to heart the message, but this is not the point. The point of the sermon is that Cahn needed to be obedient to the Holy Spirit. Whether people will respond to it remains to be seen; I suspect there may be some but we will likely never hear about it from the secular news media.
God bless Cahn's boldness - this alone is gratifying to me. It does make me wonder who asked him to preach and how they were able to get by with it.
Andrew Strom's website was in full swing having similar praise for the speech - until Robert made some comments to the contra. The article was pulled from Andrew's site. Following Here Roberts comments:
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Robert
Jan 31st 2013
This inaugural breakfast was not the OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL BREAKFAST.
They HAVE MANY < MANY, breakfasts that are sponsored by all sorts of folks.
If you people ;would search it out, you will find out that this is NOT THE OFFICIAL ONE.
This one is sponsored by a HUGE dominionist Group of Republicans .
People like Sara Palin, Michelle Bauchman, Mike Huckabee, Pat Robertson, James Robson, I HOP , Mike Bickle and so many others that are involved.
Think about it. — Prez/ Obama doesn't particularly place Israel and Jewish folks up front and personal w/him.
Matter of fact, he congratulated Chavez, w/in 24 hours of winning, but w/ P.M. Net. (Israel) it took him a week.
Why in the world would he have someone come in and speak at "his" inaugraual breakfast "
There is NO SEAL of authenticity from the president.
and in 2009 it was JIM WALLIS that was the keynote speaker of THE OFFICIAL BREAKFAST Jim Wallis is known for bringing the Emergent Church to where it is now, by forumulating many folks like Leonnard Sweet, Mark Driscol and others up front.
PLEASE do your homework.
Johnathon Cahn, MIGHT BE BOLD and HIS SPEAK MIGHT BE GOOD
But he is in dominion theology and he has been anointed by "Cindy Jacobs" and Peter Wagner and Dutch Sheets, and he will not correct people when they call him a "prophet" WHO really knows if he is a true prophet. People seem to throw that word around an awful lot.
I am not disputing the fact that he gave a BOLD speech, BUT ANYONE CAN give one. YOU need to check the resources and people out. PLEASE.
Some of you are being too enthusiastic over a "good speech" YOU HAVE TO CHECK THE PEOPLE OUT.
I have pasted and copied this and I have sent it on to other websites. (Just in case I get deleted)
Please take this as a warning.
This message was sent out by Andrew Strom to his list:
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APOLOGY: I am quite upset about this. It appears that though
they used the 'Presidential Seal' in the video - we have now been
told that Jonathan Cahn was NOT speaking at the actual "official"
Presidential prayer breakfast at all, but seemingly more of a
Christian/ GOP type breakfast. Why it would display the Presidential
seal and be called the "Presidential Inauguration Prayer Breakfast"
seems strange if it was not an official "Presidential" event. I feel
we have all been somewhat misled - and have removed the video
from our site. My sincere apologies, my friends. - Andrew Strom.
This breakfast would not have had a security clearance equal to the people the message was addressed to, so therefore there would have been none of the people it was addressed to there. Whether they (the leaders of a nation) will hear of it is a mute point.
I read Jonathan Cahn's The Harbinger a while ago and had serious misgivings about it. For one thing, the contrivances he used to convey his message-- a totally fictitious mysterious "prophet" who is continually being translated here and there, and the cryptic "seals" he uses-- this left me feeling very guarded to say the least. This is not true prophecy. My witness on it (and I am but one witness) is that this message was not the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
And so I watched the so-called Presidential Inauguration Prayer Breakfast on Andrew Strom's website, but, sorry, my guard was up.
Allan Halton
Well, servant, I did not do my 'homework'. After receiving an email from Strom and seeing your letter I did bing it: "did Jonathan Cahn speak at presidential prayer breakfast" and saw nothing in 4 pages that indicated he did not. Actually, I do not know where to go look for the info you and Strom are referring to. So, please do not be too hard on us.
I do know that Mother Teresa did speak at a presidential prayer breakfast many years ago with Bill Clinton in attendance and she spoke forcibly out against abortion and received a standing ovation from many except the pres, his wife and and some others. OR, are people going to tell this was not true either? SIGH.
In any case what Mother Teresa said was good and what Cahn said was good also.
Who can be trusted?
I enjoy and appreciate the opportunity to come to SI and read many of the posts made here. I must admit though, recently each time upon leaving the site, I experience a sense of puzzlement, often disappointment and troubling uneasiness. Perhaps it's my own lack of understanding much of what I read here. I do not think it has to do with personal attitude on my part. I spend time in prayer concerning this. Within this thread there are a number of statements which produce this now typical state within me.
I find it perplexing most every major announcement of the Presidential Prayer Breakfast I have read, made prior to the event, contained several bits of information in agreement. Namely, the time frame, the location, mention of guest speakers, singers, and specified the keynote speaker Jonathan Cahn. Now I'm reading statements which seem to allude to an idea of non validity of this video. It would seem both preposterous and absurd to make such claims based on so many previous announcements. Was the president there? I don't know, but to quote a recent controversial statement "What difference does it make?" Will he hear it or even be made aware? Who knows, it doesn't in any way refute the speech having taken place. Nor does it refute truth presented from the Word of God.
In defense of Mr. Cahn, while I am not intimately knowledgeable of his teachings or belief system, I have yet to hear him in any way attempt to represent himself as a prophet. In his book The Harbinger he discusses only events of the past to some detail and with accuracy. Not once does he claim a future event will take place. His statements in this speech followed suite. Hardly the definition of prophet. Surely those here claiming to have such a gift as prophecy will agree. I would go so far as to challenge anyone to quote a specific statement he made in this speech and provide proof it was incorrect or not accurate. Perhaps that would help me to understand what at first thought, seems a personal attack.
Yes, these are all good words and reminders to test the spirits to SEE if this is from God. Amen. Thank you all. May the Lord bring us into all truth.
I sent this out to many saints because I do not have all the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Yes, the Holy Spirit is my teacher, but He does not give me all the gifts and I have a measure of His Spirit. So, I need the gifts in the rest of the body and to learn what others our discerning in these matters which concern Christ and HIS Bride. I am learning, but I want to come to "the knowledge of the truth." Also, I am the least of the saints, but I am promised that I can know Him and indeed have fellowship with the Father and with His Son. So, I too was encouraged by Cahn's words regardless of his affiliations with other groups that are on the watch lists for false teachings and doctrines.
My heart is for revival in my own spirit and home, community, state, country and unto the uttermost parts of the world, that the name of the Lord and the gospel by the power of His Spirit would be proclaimed. Yes, my citizenship is in heaven and I am a pilgrim and should walk blamelessly before God and man, but I love my enemies and those who speak evil of me and the Christ who lives in me. My struggle is not with those who persecute the church, but with the principalities and wickedness in high places. May the Lamb who was slain receive the reward of His suffering!
"Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from good will; the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel; the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice."
"Test all things; hold fast that which is good."
These are some more beautiful words from the Apostle:
"I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen."
Praise for the LORD’S Mercies.
A Psalm of David. Psalm 103:
1Bless the LORD, O my soul, And all that is within me, bless His holy name.
2Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget none of His benefits;
3Who pardons all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases;
4Who redeems your life from the pit, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and compassion;
5Who satisfies your years with good things, So that your youth is renewed like the eagle.
6The LORD performs righteous deeds And judgments for all who are oppressed.
7He made known His ways to Moses, His acts to the sons of Israel.
8The LORD is compassionate and gracious, Slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness.
9He will not always strive with us, Nor will He keep His anger forever.
10He has not dealt with us according to our sins, Nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11For as high as the heavens are above the earth, So great is His lovingkindness toward those who fear Him.
12As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
13Just as a father has compassion on his children, So the LORD has compassion on those who fear Him.
14For He Himself knows our frame; He is mindful that we are but dust.
15As for man, his days are like grass; As a flower of the field, so he flourishes.
16When the wind has passed over it, it is no more, And its place acknowledges it no longer.
17But the lovingkindness of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting on those who fear Him, And His righteousness to children’s children,
18To those who keep His covenant And remember His precepts to do them.
19The LORD has established His throne in the heavens, And His sovereignty rules over all.
20Bless the LORD, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!
21Bless the LORD, all you His hosts, You who serve Him, doing His will.
22Bless the LORD, all you works of His, In all places of His dominion; Bless the LORD, O my soul!
-Kenneth Martin
Jimur, people have used the word "stirring" to describe Jonathan Cahn's speech. Certainly he said a lot of good things. But to repeat what I said earlier, I came away from reading his book The Harbinger with quite a sense of uneasiness about it all. So my guard was up as I watched the video of his speech at that (so-called) President's Inauguration Prayer Breakfast. But I kept it to myself at the time.
Now I hear that this breakfast was not what its presenters led us to believe. Yet they even used the presidential seal on their podium (edit correction: the seal was not on the podium but was used in the opening frame of the video). As a result, many watched it (as I did) hoping to get a glimpse of the president seated at one of the tables, and wondering why we never saw him (or anyone of high rank, actually).
It seems deceitful to me to present something as being what it is not.
In the same way (though, as you said, Cahn doesn't lay claim to being a prophet) he used the genre of a prophet to present his interpretation of prophesy in his book The Harbinger. It was entirely fictitious (this mysterious prophet in his book), yet I wonder how many reading it might have actually fallen for Cahn's gimmick, thinking, wow, that's really something that this man had all these encounters with this mystic prophet who continually appeared to him out of nowhere revealing the messages of these strange seals.
In my opinion the book is not the inspiration of the Holy Spirit... though I grant it is certainly popular.
I don't like criticizing people, and I am not writing off Jonathan Cahn. But at the moment my guard is up. And I'll continue to be careful. Which we all definitely need to be these days. I will continue to do what Scripture advises me to do. "Despise not prophesyings," says Paul (1 Thes. 5.20). But then he continues: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." So I don't despise prophesyings, or the interpretations of prophesy. But I have a responsibility to prove them, to try them, and hold fast only what is good.
Allan
I did some googling. We need to clarify between the Presidential Prayer Breakfast and the National Prayer Breakfast. The event we are familiar with and the President normally attends is tbe National Prayer Breakfast. This event is scheduled for 02/07/13. The President or the Vice-President normally speak at this event. Then a guest speaker who is not announced until the morning of that event is announced. So tight now we do not known who the speaker will be for tbe 2013 National Prayer Breakfast. My guess is it will not be Jonathan Cahn.
I admit I was misled. As has been stated Jonathan Cahn probably spoke at an evangelical political right wing caucus type of breakfast. But this was not the National Prayer Breakfast.
This has been misleading. But the brother's message should be avaluated in light of the Spirit and taken to heart. However as I indicated in a previous post it may already be too late for America. Whether Jonathan Cahn is a prophet or not I do not know. But America or should I say the American church has failed to listen to tbe likes of David Wilkerson, A. W. Tozer, Art Katz, Leonard Ravenhill, Denny Kennistton, etc. Why should they listen to Jonathan Cahn. The American Church would prefer the likes of Joel Olsteen over any real prephetic voice to the church.
Call me pessimistic or perhaps realistic. We will not see revival. The only hope is for the remnant to hear tbe cry of the Lamb who says come out her my people. Come out of Babylon. For Babylon church in America is going to be judged.
My thoughts.
Bearmaster.
PS
My info on tbe National Prayer Breakfast came from Wickpedia. Others may want to verify my post. I could be mistaken on some things. So I will stand corrected on any inaccuracies.
Yes that is the confusion the:
"The Presidential Inaugural Prayer Breakfast" is simply an event that prays for the president and he does not attend nor do many politicians.
the:
"The National Prayer Breakfast is a yearly event held in Washington, D.C." is usually attended by the president and many in government positions.
Eric Metaxas spoke at last years prayer breakfast with Obama present: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jotOExbddI4
The breakfast was held in the Marriott Harman Park Hotel, Washington DC. The podium clearly shows that. The presidential seal which appears before the recorded event is an editorial addition. It is unlawful to use the presidential seal for purposes other than officially sanctioned government events where the president himself or the vice president is the principle attendant or where the president or vice president is the principle represented party. To use the seal other than, especially by non elected persons, is equal to impersonation and is a federal criminal offence.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/713
The particular seal used in this video presentation is the (General 1945) Presidential or Vice Presidential Seal.
This Seal as with all seals of government represents art work created by public employees during the course of their duties and so is legally public domain property. As said however, to use the seal with the intention of misrepresentation is a federal offence (US Federal law under 18 USC 713).
The really important observation however has to do with the opening words, as well as visually attendant intentional directives (VAID) which are used to accompany the opening address. In this instance brother Jonathan directs with his true right hand to his true left, right and centre as he speaks from script the following words.
“Members of the Presidential Inaugural Breakfast Committee and members of Congress who have been here; Senators, Representatives, Ambassadors and Delegates from other nations who are here, Ministers of God and people and friends and media.....”
All of the physiognomic and auditory queues are purposeful.
My hope is that it will be covered by the Lord, from a public display, it is the Lord’ Name which is being used here. I have tried to share in most of my posts a reality of the times we live in and the rising incidence of occult methodologies being used by those who take the name of Christ in order to facilitate outcomes. The most blatant example of this is the NAR and the Texas debacle, but it is visible as an inclination attendant to WOF and Kingdom Now theologies in every town and city across the USA and the UK. It amounts to a rise of sorcerers and occultists practising a mind of determination to control the very elements for the purpose of establishing the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. There is nothing new in all of this, it has existed and is clearly visible in historical records and the scriptures from the beginning. The profoundly singular distinction is simply the day we live in.
Finally, I have avoided the use of the word intentional and chosen to use the word purposeful to differentiate between what an individual may do and what in the end will prove to be the mind of Satan. Jonathan uses gestures which in one instance indicate to his true left a group of people who were sitting on his true left. All other gestures are made with the emphatic “far off” leading. Similarly Jonathan’ words have an inevitable implication “in the room” and are qualified by “who are here”. Clearly as I said in my other post in this thread, there were none of the government “there” apart from a few members of the Grand Old Party of course. The predominant attendance was no doubt “Ministers of God and people and friends”. Y’all have a blessed day now!
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