speechless, grieved, heartbroken, have they NO fear of God?

i was in youtube, looking for the old Gospel song, "Victory is Mine", and i stumbled upon this terrible witness, and i thought it wise to put it up here as form of warning, of what NOT to do, a spirit to pray against, as God is to be MOCKED?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uyIt__v_60

Those elements of this compilation which are self evidently intended as a mockery, of those elements which were intended in their day, to be real, are all equally false.

They are all actors and they are all acting out of their souls. Regardless of the intention, either to deceive, in the case of KC & RHB for example, or the "actors" at the beginning of the clip and at the very end, it is all of the soul. It is hidden and visible deception. The saddest part is not that God is mocked, by taking the Father' name in such a way, it is because those who do truly take the Lord' name intentionally through time and for gain, have caused the greatest offence by causing others to blaspheme and mock the Father.

Do they, "the actors" fear God? No clearly not! Do they "the deceivers" fear God? No clearly not! If they did none of them would have pressed on for more than a few seconds before realising their error.

Edit: Just wanted to add that by actors I mean those parts which are self evidently a wilful and visible deception, such as the KC tongues dialogue, rather than those who are led on in an excess of soulish deception, which may have seemed like something of God to them. Actors (deceivers) leading (deceived) actors.

you discerned EXACTLY the reason i would even DEIGN to post such hellish and deplorable conduct by people i regard as akin to the 'sons of sceva'

you wrote:

but as I was watching I was thinking if these men and woman were teaching and leading in the religious churches of yesterday then it is no wonder that just a generation later we have videos of young people doing the Harlem shake in churches today and being deceived into thinking they do so for GOD.

here i was on youtube, looking for a really nice rendition of an old time Gospel song, "Victory is Mine" (which i DID find, Bless God).....but on the right side of the screen, MANY similar offerings to what i posted....and i started to watch.....and i'm no pharisee, i dont possess a hard brittle religioustic temperament, but i felt first this fury...a holy fury, which i stepped on, and i also felt...i've seen a day, when private Bible ownership will be made illegal, and a "church" cant stand, unless it has the imperatur, a stamp of approval from some evil form of antichrist 'polis'....which would mean it is no church at all, but a dark counterfeit.....and i found myself LONGING for that day, when i watched THIS ONE and others.....LONGING for that day...which will be the day, the goats go that way....and the sheep go This Way, which will be The Way.

STILL today...i cant get the imagery of what that "c3 church" posted on youtube as the 'harlem shake'...titled, 'Jesus versus the devil'.....a lil chubby white girl, impish grin, wearing horns, upper left frame...dancing...skinny pale white boy on the cross...looks like he just come from the starbucks...then the "victory"...which was just ridiculous..but the most unsettling thing was a figure, front camera frame, crossing right to left.....a figure wearing some animal head mask, looking directly at camera.

...AND THATS OUR WITNESS?!

but the "cherry" on this whole cake of dung, was the pushback, from posters on this forum, coz the dear children of God, called that mess what it was...blasphemous, frivolous, and sinful....and they wrote and argued, how anyone that has problems with this is just full of judgement, etc etc etc.....said posters, you know who you are....repent!

that said, keep your eye on this mess in Cyprus...this could the fuse that lights a lot of big bad ugliness.

written with a broken heart, and sick to my stomach, neil

Dear sister MJ,
i've always relished our interchanges on this forum, they HAVE been a blessing!...and especially when i read this what you wrote to me:

as you said this could be a fuse.[Cyprus, my add] I don't know for sure but I do know in prayer is where I need and want to be. I know you feel the same way Neil and spend many hours before the LORD.

oh yes! amen, and if what i'm about to testify seems like "boasting", i'm boasting in the LORD, fore it is Him, that puts this hunger IN me, and what cherished Time it is. When i was getting sifted and tested in the 2008-10 period, He never took this Hunger away from me, and i thank and praise him in all humility and love.

He had to break me and test me, in 2008-2010 period, i never ask Him "why?"....it doesnt occur to me as...."Thy Will be done"....not my will.

in 2008, God brought me to death's door...test this gift of Faith.....laying on a gurney, 50/50 chance to live, and instead of weeping and pleading, HIS Holy Spirit in me, had me joyous at either prospect...Thy Will be done Lord, "whatever it is, whether to come Home to You...i'm Yours! Stay here for whatever purpose You have for me...i'm Yours!!!...i was wrapped in His Joy of NOT KNOWING!!! i wanted to praise Him, therefore i called for a chaplain....i didnt want prayer for healing...i needed a brother in Christ to join with me in PRAISE!!!...i do believe i frightened that dear man very much, as here my life was in peril and i was filled with JOY!!

becoz, "Either way, i am YOURS!!!...which is a Deeper Revelation of the Gospel...i am now FREED from the bondage of the fear of death.....thanks be to God, these chains were cut, upon the Truth the City i seek is the Heavenly Jerusalem, in this body or out of this body

in 2009, he was pleased to break me further....took away my earnings, and like Paul, i have learned thru Him, what it is like to be with and be without...content...the homer of manna was there every morning....then my mentor, in earnestness offered me the care takers position in a new church in california, to live there, study, and grow, but i had grown to "idolize" my mentor, who is a man lke me, and God doesnt want us having idols, so, without hardly any funds, i was driven away by circumstance, back to Chicago...a sort of "lachish"...to live penniless in a basement bunker apartment in amongst the "philistines".

so again, i prayed, "if its Your will, bring me into the land of milk and honey....May 2011, thru a miracle, God bought me a wonderful large cabin and 6 acres on a desolate ridge, in the Driftless Region of Wisconsin.

and thru all those few years, every morning, he NEVER took that hunger away from me, in the Word of God, and thru prayer, getting to KNOW the God of the Word!!!

Since may of 2011, to this veryday, Jesus and i have gone deeper, i asked for what Moses had, to talk with Him face to face, as man talks with his friend, and i have been gifted That!!!

Human words are inadequate to describe the shalom i experience being with Him between 3 Am and 12 noon...the hours vary....this is Precious Time to me, it is a cherished Gift.

Since God has given me the Gift of pen, He has given me, so far Two Books to write....i say He has given them, because the revelations couldnt have come out of my mind...oh no. God impressed upon my heart, to go thru His Word, and dig out, the "Attributes"
the Attributes of Yahweh, of Messiah and of us, the followers of Jesus....because i wanted to know Who He is, who Jesus is, and who we are supposed to be,

ask and it will be given.

Then in late November 2012, he gave me "The Basis'"

there is a holy architecture to prayer, praise and worship, so i am on my second go around thru the New Testement, marking, as led by the Spirit,

the basis of prayer
the basis of praise

and when i walked into the Revelation of John, the basis of woe, which is grief, which is sorrow, which is the realization, that sometimes ALL we are allowed to say, is "Your Will Shall be done", there fore every mouth shall be silenced.

so yes, That Time with Yahweh is most precious.

oh, i'm spent, God bless you for allowing me to testify to you, May God have the Glory!!!

In watching this video I am reminded of my 'glory' days in my faith. The 90's for me. John

My glory days were the 80's but what you have said could be applied then just the same. When I first got saved I struggled to believe in the gift of tongues. In fact I was opposed to it. No idea why that was. I was in solitary confinement in goal with no knowledge of what tongues was. Not that I had heard tongues being used either, I just didn't believe it. I first heard of tongues through a letter from another inmate at a different goal. He wrote me about tongues when he got saved. I remember being incredibly against it, even the very instant I read the words. Then I read in Corinthians about tongues and that was just mental. Now I had a sudden crisis and for a few minuets I was faced with the problem of realising that tongues was right there in the scripture. Perhaps I had thought the other brother was lying or something, but now I realised that if it wasn't true, as I was still minded to think, then neither was the whole of scripture. I actually panicked and cried out to the Lord. In the end I decided to trust the Lord and not become a judge of the scriptures. If I had heard the madness on this video clip I cant imagine what I would have thought. One day without any warning I was just speaking in tongues. Its really sad what has happened. I hope that many of the people in this video were able to repent at some time or other. If not it may not bode well for them when the Lord comes. Being deceived in one thing, deceiving others knowingly is another.

Zeke, you are way off base here, flinging barbs my way, and you no idea, what was on my heart....not only throwing barbs, but outright ACCUSATIONs, and what name does the devil go under---'the accuser'....yah?

here's some lovely bon mots you hurled my way: since i was the OP:

Its like there is sick obsession with telling everyone how bad some 'christians' behave. Ask yourself sincerely, what for? To warn others. Oh Please! I can tell you that no one who comes onto these forums consistantly is involved in this stuff.

(that was probably the first time in ten years, i ever brought up, what is grieving me, and i felt led for a reason, which i really dont feel like sharing with you...especially after reading your loving rebuke...you an Afrikanner?...imagine that)

Ask yourself the question when last did you see a positive post on here about normal folk who love Jesus who have an amazing outreach program to the poor.

(well, i did speak from the heart, to my sister MJ where God is leading me, but i guess you didnt read that, my bru.)

Keep the main things the main things and we stay passionate for him and his church, all this stuff does stir up the saints and its certainly not to pray.

You know whats even sadder, folk will justify this by saying, 'I had this righteous anger!' Give me a break, most of the people who use that line have proabably never ever in their life been spurred by the righteous love that comes from Christ himself.

that is some ugly rhetoric directed my way. i notice you use these little slaps, like "oh please!" "give me a break"....so, reading that, going like you, which the 'ministry of assumption", i'd assume you're a white living in South Africa....and if i was to continue in the nasty ugly way you have, i'd assume you live behind high brick walls, razor wire atop, when you go out, you got a nine millimeter strapped to your waist....RIGHT?......wrong, i would NEVER assume that....or write to you ...LIKE THAT?...wouldnt even OCCUR TO ME! to write to you like that.....you should be ashamed of yourself.

more

We are all hypocrits are hearts are a desperatley wicked and all this does is make us feel good about ourselves instead of beating our chests in brokeness.

more assumption from you, more immmaturity displayed, coz you actually THINK THIS MAKES ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT "MYSELF?!?

"feel good about myself?!?....puts me down on the floor BRU!!! face down!!...so dont you ever dare hand me a "rebuke", without actually having PLUMBED the depths of my heart, or how i was feeling IN CHRIST, when i did PRAYERFULLY post this.....this post was related to other issues, we had been discussing...on this discussion forum.

let me tell you something, i am more than eager to stand corrected, rebuked when i go astray....or forget this "ministry of reconcilliation"....i am MORE than willing to be TEACHABLE, when i utter things i dont know.

you dont know me, you dont my heart in Jesus, and this exchange tells me, i dont really want to have anything further to do with you, as you are right now, as the 'accuser'.

is that plain enough for you?

oh this is terrible....what another one?

i posted that up, for reasons, that might not seem, what YOU ot others think they are.....i am no "watchman"...or "heresy hunter"....i dont frame myself as "conservative", as "liberal"...so when you write THIS...and then (i THINK) instinctively KNOWING how dry the well is, of your post, you in a moment of clarity, conclude it all with a "hehe"...with "I hope I didn't just babble with this post."

here's your post John:

Zekeo

Your words echo the state of the soul. What do people gravitate to more: positive news or negative news? Even Christians unless you have been sheltered and then you live in a bubble.

When in the pulpit we heard good news and bad news yet what is it that we usually remember the most? the bad stuff. And if someone is mentioned as doing something bad it adds to that cause because our souls uses it to compare ourselves with them so we so we are a better person. Usually the more conservative you are the more this tends to apply because the more liberal you are the less you care about that and the more you get on with just living your life, type of thing. This is what I have noticed.
If you don't believe me contrast a very conservative church with one that is very liberal. Which church will have a person under the lock and chain more and which one gives a person a bit more freedom to make mistakes and work with it? I am somewhat generalizing this.

I hope I didn't just babble with this post, hehe

John

BOTH you men, have made terrible ASSUMPTIONS, not only about me, but where my heart lays....but thats OKAY! becoz i had the blessed opportunity to testify to a sister, that i feel safe to testifying TO...the problem is....then "milk drinkers"...start to "accuse" and "assume"...and then really just poison the well.

but again, i say, i did have a sweet chat with MJ.

both you fellows, ZEke, "DeadN John"...are way off base. therefore barring any contrition from you both...i mark and avoid.

thank God for a sister like you, who actually read what i had to share about my walk with Jesus, and where my heart is right now...as well as what and where i feel called to.

May God bless you for that gift of listening. thats why i wrote seemingly harsh posts preceding this....not because i enjoy that exercise....i dont think the males in question in question even bothered to read what the original poster...me, was aiming at...and if they did, and still wrote as they did?

Paul wasnt always a "lovey dovey"...he had some vituperative siggestions to those who preached circumsion.

and with that, i say, again, God bless you today my sister, neil

Its like there is sick obsession with telling everyone how bad some 'christians' behave. Ask yourself sincerely, what for? To warn others. Oh Please! I can tell you that no one who comes onto these forums consistantly is involved in this stuff.

Ask yourself the question when last did you see a positive post on here about normal folk who love Jesus who have an amazing outreach program to the poor.

Or a business man who has set up a training centre teaching entreupenurial skills to people.

And not necessarily about some saint who is about to beheaded for his faih in some country. Just normal people who are loving Jesus and people where they are. Probably never, its to boring for spiritual taste buds.

Seriously, we need to wise up start giving our thoughts and passion to things that Jesus is on about not this garbage. ZekeO

Probably not the wisest word you have written brother Zeke. This is what happens when we become spiritually bereft because of a heard heart and when we are heard hearted we become either frustrated or frustrated and angry. We almost always express our frustration on those we are most inlined to love. How it is that we can become heard hearted, either in the suddenness of the moment or through time is a matter for ones own conscience. Apart from that over rationalising a response to spiritual realities is a snare to the feet and will cause the one snared to stumble yet not necessarily with anger. Brother none us need to know about everyday life we all have it in abundance. What we need from one another is a deeper understanding of our common faith and how to deal with those things which grieve us. The fact brother that you can use the form of words "some saint about to be beheaded for his faith" should tell you that you are missing something yourself. Those words cannot be sound no matter about other things. I hope you see it brother.

you responded: (and responded in a way, thats just...i cant even think of the word)

You guys, honestly, get over yourselves!! Take things so personally.

I stand by what I said, this mindset is just to much. And I am saying that its wrong.

By all means pray for my hard heartedness and my stubborn pride, by all means. I desire him and if your prayers are used for his glory praise God.

i was right, you ARE a white man in South Africa, probably an Afrikaaner, a Boer. the tip is that first sentence; "You guys, honestly, get over yourselves!!"

Boers set up English sentences ike that, with the "honestly" juxtaposed in the middle.

i was right, a Boer lecturing slash rebuking me, living in fear, behind 10 to 12 foot brick walls, gated communities, razor wire and a 9mm semi-auto pistol on his waist, or jacket pocket. Not that i have anything against a couple of good 9mm, 15 shot semi-auto pistols, except in that i believe anybody puts a standard FMJ 115 grain round in that clip, doesnt know what they're doing, because i only go with Speer Gold Dot hollow points...gives you that little extra punch.

is that unGodly? ....no, Jesus did say, "sell your cloak, buy a sword"...

whats "ungodly" is the tenor of your response, and i'm perfectly within my rights to tell you that, because brother Andrew, will tell you...that when i go wrong, respond wrong, write wrong, with a wrong spirit, without love in Jesus, and i'm CALLED on this, by a brother?

my first reflexive heartspace is to throw EGO RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW, and fall over myself in contrition, apology, begging forgiveness.....brother Andrew HIMSELF will testify to this, what i just wrote, if i sin, or speak wrong to another saint on ths forum, i long to keep the fellowship, even a cyber fellowship, rooted in Christ, in love, esteeming others ABOVE myself. a lesson you would do well to heed.

and it seems to me, its evident you CANT, and that is sad. i might understand why...you live in a world of fear, any Boer or Afrikaaner is living there on borrowed time, hiding behind the walls...and sir i HAVE "gotten over" myself, because i'm DEAD to myself. But i have no more desire to share anything of myself with you...and thats sad my bru.

but my heart is always open to you...your move. neil

my first reflexive heartspace is to throw EGO RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW, and fall over myself in contrition, apology, begging forgiveness.....brother Andrew HIMSELF will testify to this, what i just wrote, if i sin, or speak wrong to another saint on ths forum, i long to keep the fellowship, even a cyber fellowship, rooted in Christ, in love, esteeming others ABOVE myself. a lesson you would do well to heed. Neil.

I can bear witness to what you have shared about your own attitude Neil and am willing to do so in the Lord. This ability to be contrite as a reflex of the heart is a gift. It is what makes speaking passionately tolerable and acceptable. It also deals with any offence quickly which is of course the least of it if we only comprehend the offence we cause one another. The deeper reality is realising the Spirit Himself is grieved when we cause offence. In comprehending this we should quickly change our minds. When I first read what you shared about the video you posted I also thought about how it could have been possible to not have see it before. That was a kind of fleshy response on my part, then it occurred to me that what you shared was in the context of having been spending time before the Lord, so I left it alone and agreed in the spirit to speak other than. I truly believe as brethren we need to read one another's posts with more care because its not always easy to see the whole presentation in a single read, much less a casual read. In making a misinformed response we are just setting ourselves up to look fools which causes pride and a need for self defence. I used to do that when I first came on SermonIndex. I have never participated in a forum before and didn't appreciate how much meaning is lost in the translation between our hearts and minds and the screen. Any way the Lord knows. May the Lord bless us all.

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