Things with Russia

Dear MJ,

it is VERY close,,,,as of 2 May 2014 1120 central time

as you know, 2 pro kiev Mi-8 helicopters were shot down near Slavyansk.....that city is in the northeast, with Russian majority Ukraine. Kiev's henchmen, are the neo Nazi Svoboda and "Right Sector", with US/NATO/EU all supporting them....don't believe the mainstream media, they are OMITTING the truth....our country is supporting neo Nazi's. I know its fashionable to paint Putin as "neo" cold war 2.0.....not so.

There's also trouble begun anew in Odessa, which is a disturbing trend...if it keeps at this pace, it might be a week, (or less) before you see Russian forces move in, and lock down the eastern part, the Russian majority Ukraine.

if you want OTHER media outlets try

http://rt.com/on-air/

or zerohedge dot com.

pray is all in all, amen.

but remember "shrewd as snakes innocent as doves".....discernment, if it smells like Babylon, it probably is.

God love you, neil

Matthew 24:6-8 (NIV)

6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

I have to agree. I wonder if this situation in the Ukraine is as clear cut as the American press makes it out to be. While not trying to portray Putin as a saint, the Ukrainian situation is in Russia`s front yard. Thus the Russians with a clear memory of World War II are very concerned about neo right wing activity out of Kiev. One can hardly blame them for gathering the troops on the Russian Ukrainian border.

Frankly this is a situation that is best left to the Russians and Ukrainians to solve. The United States really has no say so in a situation where the Ukraine and Russia are neighbor. Thus one cannot blame Putin for getting annoyed at the United States dictating policy in his front yard.

Think of it this way if we were having border skirmishes with Mexico, what we want Russia dictating policy to us. Or rather imposing economic sanctions on us because of a dispute we had with Mexico. If we view it from this perspective then we can see Russia`s side of the story.

I did look at the website Voice of Russia. It is interesting to see the news from their perspective.

Another thing while there is an attempt the paint Putin as a bad guy. Our President is no saint either. The foreign policy of this administration has led to the slaughter of countless believers in Christ. Just look at Syria.

Of course these are my thoughts.

Bearnaster

1400 CST

just in from RT:

"38 people die after radicals set Trade Unions House on fire in Ukraine's Odessa"

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/462302566190030849

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as I see it, within 24 hours to a week, you will see Russian forces entering the eastern half of Ukraine, because that was EXACTLY the red line Putin was referring to.

IN OTHER NEWS, and I can cite this for you, the US Obama administration in the last few days, showed its love for Israel by agreeing to ship those foul islamic jihadi's in Syria state of the art, anti-armor TOW missiles and anti-aircraft shoulder held missiles for fighting against Syria's Assad regime.

do you think the Israeli's are stupid enough to buy that one? as you SUDDENLY have hundreds, if not thousands of some pretty potent weaponry that can be used against two of the most crucial parts of the Israeli defense Forces, its armored forces, and its Apache/Cobra helicopter forces.

oh yes, and of course we have our Secty of State Kerry calling Israel an "apartheid" state the other day....well, he did walk it back and apologize the next day.

pray that the US turns tail from this whole mess and error, because if you see footage of US forces going toe to toe against Russian forces in a "conventional" battle, pack up your car, and drive to the "relatives" in the country, because it WONT stay "conventional".

It is interesting the note that Putin did address the persecution of Christians in the Middle East. Our President has quite silent on this matter. Could it be that the foreign policy of his administration is that which is enabling the slaughter of those who follow Jesus. Again look at Syria.

So is Vladimir Putin this evil man the West makes him out to be. One has to wonder who the real evil leader is here?

My thoughts.

Bear.

Then brother if we are going to be scriptural. Let the Russians and Ukrainians sort this out. Our citizenship is in a heavenly kingdom.

Bear

two things........are you aware that the muscle behind the NATO/EU/US installed govt, are all neo Nazi's? Svoboda and "Right Sector"..thats not "conspiracy theory".....that's fact, so, if we, the US throw our lot in with neo Nazi's, what does that make us?

Brother our entry into WWII had nothing to do with the Jewish Holocaust. Rather it was the response of Roosevelt to the attack on Pearl Harbor. As a matter fact most Americans were not aware of the German atrocities towards the Jews until after the war. And only because Eisenhower had those atrocities documented for posterity.

In the late 30`s a ship full of Jewish refugees from Germany saught refuge in this great nation of ours. The moral obligation of American denied them refuge. The ship returned to Europe where most of the Jews were sent to death camps.

Brother when you speak of our moral obligation as a nation. Let me speak to to you about Eritrea. This is a nation the US has diplomatic relations with. We have an embassy in Asmara the capitol of Eritrea. Yet this nation has been silent on the 3000 Christians imprisoned in Eritrea in shipping containers and holes in the ground. Indeed our President has been silent on the issue of Christian persecution period. So much for our moral obligation.

Brother I am not trying to be sarcastic. But this is some of the ugly history of our great nation.

Bearnaster

Svoboda and "Right Sector" are ultra nationalist fascists, operating in Western Ukraine. Their stated aim is to quote, "kill Russians, kill Jews". I am not making this up.

Nor am I making up the fact that our country supports them, with money, $5 bln dollars in 10 years since the Orange revolution, via NGO's serving as cover for US govt activities.

Now if we provide support for neo Nazi's, WHAT does that make us?

You see, what I believe you fail to realize is this, this situation is just the kind, that can lead us all into WW3.

Now for you insulting my intelligence, by your "broad brush" snarky remark, you can have the last word, I don't bandy words with those who aren't intellectually adroit.

I briefly browsed through the thread. The discussion seems to be mainly political, ie about EU, US, Putin, WWII etc.
So may i point you to what really matters and that is God's Word and His sovereign rule.
Here is a link to an interesting article http://www.crossroad.to/Excerpts/books/history/hand-of-God/1-hand.htm

And here are some verses from His word:
For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God (Rom. 13v1)
My redeemer lives (Job 19:25)
The Ten Virgins: What It Means to Be Ready (Matthew 25:1-13)
So when all these things begin to happen, stand and look up, for your salvation is near!"(Luke 21:28)
So encourage each other and build each other up, just as you are already doing (1 Thessalonians 5:11)
And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.
(Hebrews 10:25)

Blessings, Markus

I am afraid that I one of those drawn to historical and political discussions. Having studied history with an emphasis on modern history from World War 2 up until the present, such discussions have and attraction to me. There is a brother in the forum, that if we allowed ourselves we could discuss World War 2 history from now until the Lord returns.

But we must always remember that history is His Story. and the greatest story is the redemptive work of Jesus Christ on the cross for sinners. As such world events should be viewed through the cross of Jesus Christ.

Regarding the Ukraine, this nation is known as the Bible Belt of Eastern Europe. During the Soviet occupation of this nation the Ukrainian evangelical church suffered much persecution. But they continued to endure and spread the gospel. After the fall of communism and the breakup of the Soviet Union, the Ukraine became the hub of evangelical activity. Mission groups such as the Slovak Gospel Association had their headquarters in the Ukraine. Gospel training centers and Bible schools were set up to train missionaries to go out into Eastern Europe and Russia. Gospel publishing houses were set up to print and distribute evangelical literature. Thus the Ukraine did earn the nickname, Bible Belt of Eastern Europe.

But where there is a flurry of evangelical activity and souls are being saved. The enemy is going to counterattack and silence the witness of a gospel centered people. This happened in Korea, which was once known as to Jerusalem of the Pacific. Through the Japanese and later communist invasions which led to be split of North and South Korea, the gospel witness has been hindered.

Could this be what is happening in the Ukraine? Our struggle ultimately is not with flesh and blood. This is not a war that can be waged with freshly weapons. But this is ultimately a spiritual war that must be waged with prayer and the Word of God.

So indeed let us keep the Ukraine, especially the believers there, in our prayers.

Bearmaster

I am trying to reframe from posting on temporal current events. But after Neil posted the report on the Ukraine Sliding into Civil War. I see that Lorddoitagain is correct. There are two sides to the story.

The response that Chancellor Merkel got from President Obama to sit and talk face to face with Putin to attempt to defuse the Ukranian situation is disturbing. Namely President Obama is not willing to listen to reason, even from our allies. But he seems hell bent on pursuing a course of a confrontation with Russia that would surely have disastrous results for this nation. Frankly I am more concerned about our President than Putin. I almost think the President would welcome a war with Russia and God have mercy on us should that happen.

All right speaking from a spiritual frame of mind. Russia could very well be God`s instrument to bring our nation under His judgement. Russia could be God`s instrument to bring the American church to repentance. Do I desire this. No. But looking at things as they are. I wonder.

May the remnant continue to be in much prayer as to the outcome of the Ukranian crisis. Dear Lord, May your will be done. On earth as it is on heaven.

My thoughts.

Bearmaster.

Even at their best government are corrupt. That is because the whole world live under the control of the evil one But I do agree the situation in the Ukraine calls for much prayer on the part of the intercessors.

Blaine

"US F-15 Intercepts Russian Strategic Bomber Near Guam"
'The commander of U.S. air forces in the Pacific is reporting a significant increase in activities by Russian planes and ships in the region.

Gen. Herbert Carlisle linked that to the situation in the Ukraine. He said Russia was demonstrating its capabilities and gathering intelligence on U.S. military exercises.

Carlisle said there had been long-range Russian air patrols to the coast of California and a circumnavigation of the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam. He said a U.S. F-15 fighter jet intercepted a Russian strategic bomber that had flown to Guam.

He also reported a sharp increase in Russian air patrols around Japanese islands and Korea."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-05/us-f-15-intercepts-russian-strategic-bomber-near-guam

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incisive commentary from Paul Craig Roberts

"Washington Intends Russia’s Demise

Paul Craig Roberts

Washington has no intention of allowing the crisis in Ukraine to be resolved. Having failed to seize the country and evict Russia from its Black Sea naval base, Washington sees new opportunities in the crisis.

One is to restart the Cold War by forcing the Russian government to occupy the Russian-speaking areas of present day Ukraine where protesters are objecting to the stooge anti-Russian government installed in Kiev by the American coup. These areas of Ukraine are former constituent parts of Russia herself. They were attached to Ukraine by Soviet leaders in the 20th century when both Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country, the USSR.

Essentially, the protesters have established independent governments in the cities. The
police and military units sent to suppress the protesters, called "terrorists” in the American fashion, for the most part have until now defected to the protesters.

With Obama’s incompetent White House and State Department having botched Washington’s takeover of Ukraine, Washington has been at work shifting the blame to Russia. According to Washington and its presstitute media, the protests are orchestrated by the Russian government and have no sincere basis. If Russia sends in military units to protect the Russian citizens in the former Russian territories, the act will be used by Washington to confirm Washington’s propaganda of a Russian invasion (as in the case of Georgia), and Russia will be further demonized.

The Russian government is in a predicament. Moscow does not want financial responsibility for these territories but cannot stand aside and permit Russians to be put down by force. The Russian government has attempted to keep Ukraine intact, relying on the forthcoming elections in Ukraine to bring to office more realistic leaders than the stooges installed by Washington.

However, Washington does not want an election that might replace its stooges and return to cooperating with Russia to resolve the situation. There is a good chance that Washington will tell its stooges in Kiev to declare that the crisis brought to Ukraine by Russia prevents an election. Washington’s NATO puppet states would back up this claim.

It is almost certain that despite the Russian government’s hopes, the Russian government is faced with the continuation of both the crisis and Washington puppet government in Ukraine.

On May 1 Washington’s former ambassador to Russia, now NATO’s "second-in-command” but the person who, being American, calls the shots, has declared Russia to no longer be a partner but an enemy. The American, Alexander Vershbow, told journalists that NATO has given up on "drawing Moscow closer” and soon will deploy a large number of combat forces in Eastern Europe. Vershbow called this aggressive policy deployment of "defensive assets to the region.”

rest of commentary:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/02/washington-intends-russias-demise-paul-craig-roberts/

(btw...Mr Roberts was a member of President Reagan's administration)

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I have been both to Russia and Ukraine a number of times on business and run agencies there. Both Russia and Ukraine have very corrupt governments and corrupt business practices. There is a lot of injustice on both sides. The orthodox church is powerful and sinister in both countries. I think it is a form of judgment.

Agreed brother my visit to Ukraine when it was stable seemed unstable.