I'm thinking about buying a few bibles to give to friends and people I may meet on the streets.Should I give them the whole bible or should I give them just the NT & Psalms?The pros of giving them the whole bible are:1. It is the whole revelation of God including the creation and fall of man etc.The cons of giving them the whole bible are:1. If they start reading at Genesis they may start to lose heart around Leviticus / Numbers and may not get into the NT and Christ.The pros of giving them the NT & Psalms are:1. They get straight into Christ and salvationThe cons of giving them the NT & Psalms are:1. It does not include the whole revelation of God including creation and fall of man etc.If I go down the NT & Psalms route is this a lack of faith by saying that a person is less likely to fall in love with God with the whole bible?Perhaps it would be good if there was a bible that started with the NT and then finished with the OT!Perhaps I should give them a complete bible and tell them to start in the NT?
The whole bible? Or just the NT & Psalms
Here is my two cents (or should I say pence since your in the UK!):Obviously the NT & Psalms versions are cheaper and much easier to carry around with you if you plan on giving them to people on the street. I personally carry a ESV NT, Psalms and Proverbs in my back pocket simply b/c I can't fit a whole Bible! But I also have a full Version in my car.If money and space aren't issues I would definately suggest that you use the whole Bible because it is the whole counsel of God. Either way I don't think it is a big issue. Whether or not you give someone a "complete" Bible or just "half" of one you should probably have them read the gospel of John not because someone can't get saved by reading something else but because "... these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in this name." John 20:31 ESV Just a few thoughts and I hope they are helpful to you!
New Testement and Psalms bro.They need this more than anything.Especially Romans.Many of us started out on the New Testement and later on we got ourselves a complete bible. God is not opposed to this after all the only thing that the New Testement saints had were the spoken words of Jesus and the Old Testement. Only a few had the spoken words of Jesus, but when they got filled with the holy Spirit they had access to everything He said.Karl
My 2 1/2 cents worth...Everyone is probably thinking I'm gonna say the whole Bible in KJV. Wrong! I will say if practicable the whole Bible, but in many cases it isnt, and I dont believe there is anything wrong with giving just a NT & Psalms.However, I would also strongly suggest someone start in John. And I would also include some sort of short pamphlet that explains the Old Testament law briefly, the scrificial system of the temple and how Christ is the sacrifice once and for all. Otherwise, someone will be reading the NT not knowing what all these references to the Law are about... and why Jesus is called the Lamb of God... etc etc... until they get to Romans.Kinda like someone watching the Passion who has never learned anything about Christ or the Bible. They watch it and think "Why did He have to die? I dont get it."And of course, I would hand out nothing but the KJV.Krispy
I agree with Krispy about starting with the Gospel of John. I have a these booklets I hand out, they are only the Gospel of John. It works really well - not to big and easy to manage.I think if you give a non-believer a complete Bible he/she may find it too daunting, too large and even if you tell them where to start I suppose few people would enjoy starting somewhere in the middle. Giving out NT's are good because anywhere they open it to they will read about Jesus. The smaller is, the more likely they might read it (sad but true).That's what I think, brother.In Christ,-Eli
Hi NasherAre you familiar with the work of the Scripture Gift Mission? They specialise in portions of scripture. It used to be the case that they would supply their literature free of charge as long as you 'gave them personally' and sent a letter reporting how you had used the resources. The literature was always excellent quality and used to be scriptures or selections of scripture with not comments but occasionally grouped under topics.Here is their website Scripture Gift Mission
Thanks Ron, I've never heard of them but now I've just ordered quite a few leaflets!
The second question I have is, what version(s) should I give out?My personal favourite is the kjv but for many people this may prove hard to read and understand, is then the nkjv a better place to start?
Yeah, the NKJV would be a better place to start by far. The KJV is very poetic and is my version of choice, but I don't know how many blank looks I get when I get asked to read a scripture out loud. Its like a lot of people just don't get it, especially people around my age (late teens to mid twenties.)When I can sit in a classroom full of young Christians, most of whom have been in the Church and studying at least Sunday school style for most their lives and still get mostly blank looks...In the view I currently take on my surrounding area/American society as a whole, I'd say that the KJV has to be appreciated before it is really useful.I've also seen a lot of NT Gideon's floating about, I even had one at one point in time, but I don't really know much about that translation.
Hi PTywama3, it's not the kjv's poeticness I like, it's the accuracy! 8-)
NasherWhat do you think is the best translation to your audience?These days it's something to find a young man who can read let alone write. I, like you enjoy the KJV, but I started out with the living translation. I only understood one thing and that was I loved Jesus and He loved me. By using that translation, I learned who Christ was and developed a relationship. When I turned 19 the LORD moved me over to the KJV. When I started reading that, it felt like I just went from elementry school to high school.Karl
it's not the kjv's poeticness I like, it's the accuracy!Surprise everybody... I agree with this statement!Seriously tho, it's very tempting to want to give out a modern version with the intention of giving them something they will understand.The problem I see with that is that there really is a very serious problem with modern versions, and that has been debated to death on other threads... but suffice it to say, if I was to give out modern versions, knowing what I know about them, I would then be obligated to follow up with someone and explain why they shouldnt use a modern version... after I gave them one.It would be very confusing for someone, and hypicritical on my part.I admit, I dont give out Bibles... not sure why, just never occurred to me. In America most everyone has a Bible of some sort. But if I was to give them out, I would have to give out KJV's. The great lie of this age is that the KJV is too old to understand. But my 8 year old reads the KJV, and with the exception of an old word here and there, he understands it very well.But lets also not forget that without the Holy Spirit guiding the reading, scripture is impossible to understand anyway. If the Lord is drawing someone to Himself, and He is doing it thru scripture... they will understand.It's not up to us to convince people of Christ. All we can do is present it. The rest is up to the Holy Spirit, and I think we sell Him short when we try to make everything so simple for an unbeliever to understand. Sometimes we dumb it down way too much... and I think that shows a general lack of trust in the Holy Spirit to do what scripture says He will do.All we have to do is lift Him up... He takes care of the rest.Krispy
Today I was in front of dilemma what to send to one old woman. I had in mind that is person who has never read bible (just few chapters from the bible of one sister in the train),and we decided to send her NT&Psalms. I think it depends on person who will read the bible - if the person is familiar with the evangelical and new testament truths then it is good to start reading OT also, but if the person gets bible in the hands for first time , I think its better just NT. But in both cases let us pray for those who have received and will receive the Word od God. At least we must have burden for those who have received from us, to intercede before the throne of grace for them.
The New King James and King James aren't very far apart. They both use the same manuscripts. I don't always care for blank looks. Its a great stand to take, really, KJV or bust. I have only ever handed out one King James bible, my own personal bible. I've also handed out a (New?) Gideon's New Testament, Psalms and Proverbs "pocket bible" because it was what I had available. I don't think reliability should be your sticking issue, ever. Ever. God protects His Word. Go with your instincts, go with what God tells you. I would say, quite honestly, I doubt it will be to hand out a KJV mainly. If its that much of a sticking point to you, explain to the person why you're doing what you're doing. People aren't stupid, give them a chance. Let God help them make up their minds, you just be the tool.However, Tears_of_joy, I'd almost always go with the KJV for a person 60+. Traditionally, its sound. They've probably been read to out of it, even if they are new to the Church. I think Linus used the KJV.I'd like to say here and now that I am not your mainstream evangelist. I never have been, and I don't know if I will ever have the effect of such a title. One thing I do know, I trust His people. More than one has knowledge of the subject at hand, and many (many) have wonderful imput. I try to take it all, but stick to the most relevant.
Perhaps I should give them a complete bible and tell them to start in the NT? yeh, thats it.When I started handing out Bibles, I had some NT's only, and it just didnt feel right, and then Holy Ghost laid it on my heart to only hand out WHOLE Bibles.Its just didnt feel right.
in my car I carry whole Bibles, both english and spanish in the NIV versions AS well as Gospels of John in both english and spanish. This morning I picked up a pair of Latino daylaborer's who were hitchhiking back to the city. I don't know much Spanish, but greeted them with a hearty "Jesus es Dios", as they climbed into the back seat, and I handed them a spanish Gospel of John, NVI. One of the brothers sat the entire trip with his face buried in those precious truths.......Bro's, thats what its all about!!!! watching another feast off the Word!!GLORY!! GLORY TO GOD!!!You can buy Gospel's of John from IBS.com for 25 to 30 cents apiece, a cheap price for Jesus to get the reward for His sufferings , doncha think?BUT........when I give away the Word, a Bible, its the whole thing.As far the tediously familiar KJV only debate, (which I am NOT trying to reignite) its hard for a lot of folks to EVEN read, let alone dig into elizabethian english, so......I was studying/praying/meditating over the 51st Psalm, and had the NIV, ESV, and KJV versions of the Bible spread out before me, as I studied, it was a blessing, and I pray we.............well, lemme leave my prayer to the Lord.
GLORY TO GODThis is a very strong thing on going at the moment that is another ploit of the enemy's scheme. Another diversion to focus our eyes on. I always having trouble of this. This is only my own opinion please don't judge me for this. I learn the word of God in the begining of my walk with God by using NIV bible, and now I am able to follow the KJV & NKJV, but i still use the NIV now and then.It's not about which version we are to hold on or read. It's about the word of God, It is The Holy Spirit that brings the DEVINE revelation of the word of God. Many of our brother that been persecuted they don't have the KJV on their hand at the time but they crave to read HIS Holy Word, even it's just a piece of pamplet it use to speak in the man's heart.Let our eyes focus on reaching out to the lost and to the face of the One who bring life to us.Let us focus ourself to the WORD OF GOD and FOLLOW it with all of our heart.
I'm with Neal, I dont want to turn this into a KJV debate... there are many other threads that deal with that.But for me personally, I agree that it is about the Word of God. And those who share my opinion that the modern versions are perversions of God's Word, how then can we agree to hand it out to unbelievers? Thats not to say that people havent been saved reading the NIV (I was saved reading the NIV!), but I can not in good conscience promote or give away something that I know corrupts the very Words of God.Lest anyone think that I believe Elizabethian English is of itself "holy", and thats why I stick to it... please dig into this site and find the threads that discuss the KJV issue. It's not about language, it's about manuscripts, and this debate goes clear back to the 1st and 2nd centuries A.D. The 1st & 2nd century church fathers were writing about the difference between manuscripts. The devil began to corrupt them before the ink was dry on the originals.But that shouldnt surprise anyone... the devil has been corrupting God's Word since the garden of Eden.Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Is that what God said?? NO! ...this is what God said:Gen 2:16,17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Like the Bible says... the devil is very subtle. And he has proven that with the modern versions.So, without igniting a huge debate about it, all I am trying to do is clarify why I feel strongly about not giving out modern versions to unsaved people. We all have to answer for ourselves before God... I for me, you for you. Do as you feel led, and I'll do as I feel led. And we dont have to agree... it's ok.By the way, the NKJV is not based completely on the same manuscripts as the KJV. That is a deception. While it does lean more on the Received Text than the other modern versions, it does include many footnotes that lean heavily on the corrupted Alexandrian Text, and implies that the Recieved Text is suspect. Also, the Old Testament is based on a completely different Hebrew manuscript than the KJV. Read the introduction from the translators in the front of the NKJV.Krispy
By the way... it's very hard to talk about giving away Bibles with the KJV issue coming up. I believe it is one of the most impotant issues in the church today. Every Christian has to look at this issue, pray about it, study it... and make a decision. I truly, honestly, whole-heartidly believe it is that important.Krispy
I've also seen a lot of NT Gideon's floating about, I even had one at one point in time, but I don't really know much about that translation.HiThe Gideon's are an organisation rather than a Bible version. They provide Bibles free for hotels and schools. I think they are using the NIV at present, but I'm not sure.
It's interesting to note that the great revivals of the 18th and early 19th centuries in America had as it's version... the KJV. And that was at a time when most people didnt have any higher than an 8th grade education in this country, and certainly did not speak in Elizabethian English. We pride ourselves on being so well educated and technologically advanced... yet we Christians think unbelievers are incapable of reading the KJV.I think it's a great deception that the KJV is "too hard" to read.Krispy
Just to let you know, I've ordered a dozen NKJV bibles from Amazon at £1.60 each, I plan to put the leaflets I ordered from Scripture Gift Mission at the start of the NT!http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0718008588/202-3539082-9728626?_encoding=UTF8Please feel free to carry on this discusion though.
Krispy: You're right, its not too hard. That is a deception. But deceptions are just that - they are designed to make specific people think that they are incapable of something. When there is no choice, the deception has failed. But there is always a choice in America. Proper leadership also dismantles this. But many Christians start out afraid of the throne room, let alone want to be in it. And many people who would have bibles handed out to them are wild cards. The Holy Spirit does wonderful things without us ever knowing it. But God still waits for us to make the choice to come to Him. As far as the manuscripts go... that is your personal finding. I've studied a bit under the topic, and had discussions with a few scholars versed in the subject, but as yet I hadn't been presented with that view.Nasher: Wonderful! If the Spirit ever moves you, I still say don't feel shy about telling people why you're giving them that version.Philologos: About Gideon... well, I guess I learn something every day :)
spot on mate! Good job that, putting your money where your mouth is, and buying the Living Word to give out those who hunger for it.Its rather ironic that those who argue so vociferously about "corrupted" versions of God's Holy Word stay bracketed in their abodes, instead of going out into the world to hand out this precious Word to those who hunger.Maybe if they would turn off their puters, go into a mall with some KJV Gospel's of John, and let the Holy Spirit lead them on what to do.......well, then God would be glorified!!
The version of the bible that I would like to get through is the amplified and the Jewish, I have got through the KJV and the NKJV.
Neilgin1 wrote: Its rather ironic that those who argue so vociferously about "corrupted" versions of God's Holy Word stay bracketed in their abodes, instead of going out into the world to hand out this precious Word to those who hunger.Neilgin,I have to defend Krispy here. He holds strongly to the text arguements and manuscripts for a reason, and admittedly has valid points. Also make no mistakes in that every person on the streets should probably have at least a few people such as Krispy following their tracks, because who is going to act as shepherd to these people? There is a very valid stance to his place in life. Fire and forget is a lot like attempting to toss seed on stony ground.I was going to write a long and somewhat off-topic bit here, but I think I'll skip it.Two thoughts: Mormon missionaries are entertained in my abode. And I don't live in Africa. Please, sir, be careful of words you throw. Their intention may be fine, but they don't make a lot of sense to me.
The KJV only argument is a divisive argument that fosters seperation among the brethern, and quite frankly God does NOT care about what "Krispy Kritter", "ptywama", or neil giuntoli's opinion is. or how strongly we hold these opinions. and I have been very careful, and prayerfully considerate about how I select my words. If they don't make sense to you, maybe the Holy Ghost will interpet them to you for me.But let me say this again, and very clearly, the "KJV only" argument is a divisive argument, that the enemy just loves to get started among God's children, because it gets them diverted, and gets their eyes off Jesus.God gifted me with a mind, and there is nothing I love more , then sitting with 4 different versions of His Word in front of me feasting off and praying over the Greek and Hebrew phrasing of a verse.anyway, I wish all the time that guys gave to this utterly tedious and useless argument, would be spent on their knees in prayer, begging God for revival.
Neil Quote :anyway, I wish all the time that guys gave to this utterly tedious and useless argument, would be spent on their knees in prayer, begging God for revival.Neil quote is true... it's too much knowledge and so much wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Why not spent your agruing point and typing time to dedicate it in prayer and seeking God for the Light in this issue of confusion. as it says in 2 Corinthians 10:5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bring every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,...2 Timothy 2:23 avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife... 1 Timothy 1:4 nor give heed to feebles and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.Do not let anything have a ground that would cause dis unity in the bretheren of Christ Jesus, Lets join our self as one body of Christ in one Spirit. Join in prayer for there is power in united prayer.May God bless you all and enlightened your heart through His word.