A possible scenario for end times.

This subject can be very difficult to approach today because there have been so many crazy people claiming when the end of the world would happen. The below scenario reckons on the saints going through the great tribulation. Therefore there is no particular day or hour that is looked for, rather a season, birth pangs if you like. We are told by Jesus that we should be able to discern the signs of the times, not the day nor the hour of His return. In any event, most Peoples of the world and the church have a difficult time imagining a time where Christians would be hunted down and killed for the mere fact of being Christian. They may be able to imagine this in a Muslim world setting, but not in the West. I do not claim that the scenario below is prophetic, I merely wish to show you a logical procession of events that could lead to a world-wide persecution of the true saints.

I think we may all agree that Jesus is coming relatively soon. Where we may disagree is on the subject of rapture. Lets assume there is no rapture and Jesus is coming soon, then the saints will go through the great tribulation. The Scriptures tells us that it will be worse than anything that has ever happened before in history, in fact the Lord must shorten those days for the elects sake or we would all be dead.

Just 70 years ago, in the heart of educated and cultured Europe, in a country that pronounced itself to be Christian, an evil man arose and in six short years, killed six million Jews for the mere fact of being Jewish. He shoved them into gas chambers and then burned them in furnaces, men, woman and children, sparing none. Now this is not some Biblical genocide from the ancient world, this is something that happened just 70 years ago. Now what kind of events would need to unfold for the world to turn on Christians and for their to be a coming together of the world religions into one religion?

Lets say tomorrow there is an attack by Muslim extremists on multiple cities. New York, Washington, London, Paris Rome and Moscow are hit simultaneously with nuclear suitcase bombs. Rather than the three thousand dead of 9/11, there is one hundred thousand dead in each city. The world is repulsed and is brought together because of this great tragedy. Fundamentalists of all stripes are universally condemned and outlawed. To state publicly that there is only one true religion, only one way to heaven, becomes illegal. Such people are denounced as those who have caused all the troubles in the world. They are seen as a cancer on society which society must rid itself of.

So society gives them a chance to renounce such believes. At the same time, the major religions of the world have a summit. Islam, Christianity and the Jewish faith come together for a summit in Rome. Pope Francis leads the summit because he is universally respected. When the meeting is over they announce that they can all trace their roots back to Abraham. That they all worship the same God just in different ways. They announce that there are multiple roads to heaven and that to say otherwise is merely hate speech. They agree to drop Jesus and Mohammed from their literature and only speak in terms of God and His prophets, agreeing to stand upon what they agree on and bringing a historic unity that will usher in a new day, a new order for the world where there is equality for all.

The vast majority of the world hail this and rejoice in it. A small minority resist it and in the shadow of the multiple hundreds and thousands of deaths, the world hates them with a perfect hatred. They hate them more than the Germans hated the Jews. The minority cannot find work and are ultimately arrested for continuing to ” share the Gospel.” While they are a minority, they are still in the millions and camps are set up to imprison them because the prison system cannot contain them. An ever-growing hatred by the general public and resentment that they have to be fed and kept eventually leads to the decision to make it a capital offense punishable by death to be a fundamental Christian.

If I had time and space, I could weave into that scenario the rise of the anti-christ who orchestrates all of those events and performs signs and wonders and miracles in front of the whole world to legitimize what he and the Pope and the religious leaders are teaching and saying about the minority, the remnant who refused to bow their knees to such a world religion. I want you to imagine such a man, before the camera’s of the world, healing a man blind from birth, or raising a man from the dead. The whole world will follow after such a man, and the world religious leaders who are now one would verify that he is in fact, God returned.

Very good, thanks brother. But does there even have to be worldwide catastrophe...the religions seem to already becoming one right before our eyes?

Hi bro,

I do believe there has to be a catalyst. That is not to say that the building blocks are not being put into place right now, in fact the process has been ongoing for a long time. Hitler arose because of the crash of 29 that plunged Germany into hyper-inflation and made a path forward possible for a group that was waning. The German conservatives were so terrified of Communism that they opted to use the lesser of two evils in an attempt to control it, thinking they could also control Hitler.

Terrorism is the bogey man of today and the world has went to enormous lengths to control it. So when they strike in a global sense, this will open up the way for a new world order, an order that is free from bigotry and religious hatred. The utopian dreamers will see this as an opportunity to rid itself once and for all of the " cancerous," elements of society that stand upon the Word of God and believe that there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus. The actual force behind all of this is the enemy. What he thinks he is planning to bring about the destruction of Christianity will actually only bring about the fulfillment of John 17. Under this intense worldwide persecution, genuine saints will walk as one so that the world will know that God sent Jesus.

The religious elements of the west, which is the vast majority of Christendom will embrace all of these moves and will actually be responsible in great part for turning in genuine saints to the authorities. They will do that for many different reasons which can be discussed, but do it they will, and they will believe that they are doing the world and God a service...........bro Frank

Hi MaryJane,

Indeed the storm is almost upon is. You are correct, people who hold fats to the Word of God are called haters. We are already lumped into categories of terror groups by Government agencies. Born again Christians in Britain find it impossible to even adopt children anymore because of their " outdated and bigoted views." We are already by much of society with great suspicion. Yet this was exactly the position the early church found themselves in. As it was in the beginning, so it shall be in the end.

"They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” (2 Thes 2:10)

"People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy.”(2Tim 3:2)

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth.” (2Thess 2:9)

The love of the truth is something that we receive as genuine saints from God. It is a fire in our bones, it is as much a part of us as our arms are legs, in fact more so for we could live without our arms or legs, but the fire in our bones comes from our spirit which comes from God. In every century God’s people have suffered and died for the Truth and their love of it. As it was in those days, so it is today. People love many things , themselves, money, position their spouses and their children but the one great love of the saints life, that eclipses all other loves is their love of the Truth in the person of Jesus and His word........bro Frank

The thing is the world has grown smaller and people are linked more globally. A catastrophic event in one nation can have a devastating impact on the global economy. So the sceneries laid out in the OP is very plausible.

I need to do some Google research but I do believe after the break up of the Soviet Union there were some missing suit case bombs that disappeared out of the Russian nuclear arsenal.

If the guillotine is to play a part in the mass beheadings that Revelation 20 speaks of. Then where did the guillotine come from. Try France. La Madam Guillotine executed many thousands during the French Revolution. I only share this to say that the Antichrist could very well come from the west. Maybe even America.

My thoughts.

Bearmaster.

Did some Google searches on missing nuclear suit case bombs from Russia. Pretty scary stuff were it not for faith in Christ.

Frank's scenario in the OP is very realistic. I would not dismiss it lightly.

Blaine

Hi TMK,

"Allowed to resist?" To what purpose? If the anti-christ rises and then the Lord returns, the world has then come to an end. We resist as we were taught in the Scriptures to resist. We render not evil for evil, we love our enemies, we forgive our enemies for they know not what they do to us. Even although we shall be led as lambs to the slaughter, our battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places. If we can be let down in baskets and flee to the next town or city or place of temporary refuge and sanctuary then that is what we should do, if that is what the Lord wants us to do. We must hear His voice for ourselves. When persecution came to Jerusalem, the saints were scattered and when they were scattered they took the gospel message with them. Yet the Disciples stayed in Jerusalem. Most left, some stayed, God knows, follow God by His Holy Spirit, He will lead us and guide us.........bro Frank

Hi brothergary,

That is one big definate out of a lot of supposition. Many people have many theories and none of them are proven, which negates us ruling out any out of hand, for none of us know. When Germany took over lands in the east, they used many soldiers from the Ukraine and Latvia and lithuania to be part of death squads. Yet it was the German army, the German leadership and the German Nazis responsible for the massacres that took place. The Romans destroyed Jerusalem and it is very likely that the anti-christ will come out of the revived Roman Empire. If one looks at America as a Republic, with a Senate and a congress, we see a revived Roman empire built by the peoples of the Roman Empire. And who better to negotiate a peace in the middle east? Turkey? No, the most powerful country the world has ever seen. A revival of the Roman empire only much much stronger. The American president is and will be for the foreseeable future, the strongest man in the world with the most deadliest arsenal at his fingertips. No one could withstand America if it chose to be truly dominant. It has not up till now. Yet in the time to come, a strong man will emerge out of world chaos and bring all of these chaotic forces to heel and the world will love him for it. Add to that signs and wonders and miracles right there on CNN and Fox and cable networks around the world, the world will gasp to know that god has stepped down. The religious leaders, led by the false prophet, the pope, will confirm that this man is indeed god come down amongst us to bring peace with a sword. This of course is merely a theory, I do not say that you are wrong brother, for who amongst us truly knows?.....bro Frank

Murrcolr,

What happens in the middle east happens because America allows it to happen. Make no mistake, America supplies most of the heavy weapons to most of the regimes of the Middle East, and plows billions of dollars into all parties. It could be argued that without American arms the parties would have a difficult time killing each other. The point being, only an entity as powerful as America can broker a peace, compel a peace, on unwilling partners. The world has never seen America actually exercise it's true power, only glimpses of it now and again. America has more strategic nuclear weapons that all the other eight nuclear powers combined.

Peoples came from all over the former Roman Empire and built this country into the most powerful wealthiest country the world has ever known. In the last four years I have been to Washington DC and Rome. The similarities are striking, absolutely striking............bro Frank

Murrcolr, what happens in the whole world is because God allows it to happen, that is a given, we are talking about possible end time scenarios.

The scenario is that the anti-christ arises in America and brings peace through strength in the Middle East.......bro Frank

Murrcolr, here is the Scripture.......

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The people that destroyed the temple were the Romans. Now I guess, if one had a different theory, one could break down the Romans into parts of argue that the actual legion that destroyed the temple was of a certain nation, but the fact remains, and no one would argue this, that the Romans destroyed the temple. If one would like to think the anti-christ has to be some kind of king of Assyria, that's fine, Assyria was the birth place of Babylon. What is mystery Babylon geographically ( it can certainly be a system no doubt) but geographically it could certainly be America as a revived Babylon. Remember , the Roman empire ended up in the " North" because of the split and destruction of the city of Rome and surrounding territories by the barbarians. Rome moved, but was still Rome, Babylon moved but is still Babylon. The convergence of the system and the power, one could argue, is today's America. It stands at the pinnacle of wealth and power and makes rich all the countries of the world...........bro Frank

Hi Murrcolr,

You asked a series of questions to which I had already addressed in my previous reply. Now it may be unsatisfying or you may disagree but that is fine, after all, it is end times we are talking about here, not exactly a science. It also says in Scripture that " all nations," would come against Israel, did it name them all or is America not part of " all nations?" .........bro Frank

Brwthren in Matthew 24 9 Jesus tells his disciples you will be hated by "all nations" because of my name.

N. Korea is #1 in the persecution of Christians worldwide. Yet N. Korea was not known at the time of Christ. But does that mean that N. Korea, Bhutan, or Pakistan that hate Christians cannot be included and the designation "all nations".

Thus the idea that America is included in "all nations" that come against Israel has merit.

My thoughts.

Bearmaster

Colin writes......

"He is saying that the beast empire is America..."

Yes brother, that is my end time scenario, American President will be anti-christ and the Pope will be the false prophet. The anti-christ will be ruler of all the nations and the pope will be ruler of all the religions, this sealed with signs and wonders. He will be a man of peace, meaning he enforces peace by strength and the world will embrace that because they will be/are so weary of war and terrorism. Still needs the catalyst though to bring all the building blocks together and overcome obstacles that could only be overcome by the crisis of all crisis................bro Frank

Colon if I might respectfully ask do you believe there will be a future Antichrist?

Just curious bro.

Blaine

Hi brother Frank,
I respect you a lot so please don't take this as a personal attack on you but I hear your disdain for America and her posterity/capitalism/roots etc coming through in many of your posts. It makes me wonder that if you dislike this country so much and all that it stands for, why do you choose to live here still? Why not just move back to Scotland? Isn't it a teeeeeny bit hypocritical to take advantage of the opportunity to come to America and enjoy the freedoms and opportunities that she affords but to then publicly rag on her so much? Your comments about an American President becoming the anti-Christ may very well be true and if so then this special insight that you are getting might just be Gods way of telling you to leave flee this God forsaken place as fast as you can, lol!!! I am saying this all with a little smile on my face so I hope you do not take offense at what I am saying because I am really interested in hearing your perspective on this.

HI TMK,

He will kill them all..........bro Frank

Dear Mark,

Please believe me, you are not the first person to tell me that I should just go back to where I came from, and I dare say not the last. God directs His servants and if God directed me to return to Scotland, I would. I have before. We sold everything and returned to Scotland for a year, at the direction of the Lord, to share the Gospel.

I am not surprised that many, including yourself obviously, have mistaken my words as dislike for America. Nothing could be further from the truth. Their are countless millions of brothers and sisters, that are are not of the system nor worship it or speak glowingly of it, they realize that the system is all Babylon. No one knows this better than American missionaries who return to America from the mission fields, if you get a chance Mark, talk to them and see what they will tell you. The thing is brother, when you speak the truth, whether it be to the origins or the ism's of this country, and what the outcome of that is, you tend to get attacked which I actually think is fine, it is par for the course as they say. It was prophesied over me long before I understood it that I had been called as an Ambassador to the church in America, that was 25 years ago. So one must fulfill one's calling and not expect to be popular. And so, your kind invitation to leave will have to be not accepted :) God determines where His servants go.

One last point about the anti-christ rising up in the States. If that unfolds, as I believe the Lord has shown me, I have not been called to run, but to minister to the saints. Hopefully, if the time comes in my lifetime, I will be able to minister to the saints in my chains and encourage my brothers and sister to endure and to overcome. Scottish people are not really built to run. We have wee short legs which is why I think traditionally we have always stood and fought. IN the upcoming battle, the end of times battle, God's children will fight upon their knees despite being called to martyrdom............bro Frank

Here below Mark is a letter I wrote to America a few years ago in the form of a poem. Every poem a poet writes is a piece of his heart. It expresses my feelings for America................bro Frank

A letter to America from an Immigrant

You welcomed me with open arms
Protected me from many harms
I found in you a warm embrace
I would find this in no other place

It did not matter, the social classes
For you invited the huddled masses
And in a world that was ruled by greed
Yours was a land to plant ones seed

America you took me in
And now my journey could begin
Born and bred in poverty
You opened doors and set me free

Free to flourish, free to love
Free to worship my God above
It mattered not my humble birth
I found in you I had some worth

In my land of birth it was established
Chains of social class to languish
At birth one's future life was sealed
But you, a level playing field

America your greatness lies
In hearing the huddled masses cries
God honors those who honors them
Who aids the poor and not condemn

Oh sweet land of liberty
Where men came longing to be free
And found within this fabled land
A place where they could surely stand

The solid Rock of God above
Is compassion, mercy, truth and love
And all those things encompassed me
Who came from far across the sea

Oh land where mighty rivers flow
Tis time to choose how you must go
Shall truth alone be your only guide?
Or will cultural winds cast truth aside?

The ancient landmarks guide the way
Shall you break them down and rise and play?
Or turn to God with all your heart?
And stay the course and not depart

I beg you not to take this road
For sin is such a heavy load
It causes men to fall and stumble
And foundations, strong, to surely crumble

You'll be abandoned, you'll be alone
To sit upon a golden throne
And when the Christ appears on high
Your gold will not salvation buy

The people of this land must choose
To follow God and not confuse
Their loyalties and where they stand
Beneath your wings and within your hand

There is the path that lies ahead
Follow God or yours instead
I loved you so, you shone so bright
But now you're faltering in the night

True freedom comes from up above
It's found within the Father's love
To find it is to truly live
It was never ever yours to give

Humble yourself before God's throne
Or you must journey on alone
There will be no fire in the night
The hand of God you cannot fight

For those who live within this land
The time has come to take a stand
Fires and droughts and many disasters
Come to those who serve two masters

It's time to follow God alone
This path will lead you to His throne
The idols must be stripped away
If we shall stand in that evil day

For far too long you have worshiped men
Put them aside and only then
Will you have eyes that will truly see
Just who truly set us free

Lift your eyes, the storm cloud gathers
You will not be saved by your founding fathers
Nor written laws of any kind
Shall give you joy or peace of mind

In Christ alone we'll make our stand
And in His presence hand in hand
We'll stand together now as one
Saved by Blood and not by gun

The precious Blood of Calvary
Shed by Christ to set men free
Remnant saints from many nations
From every tribe and populations

America a land so fair
It's time to turn to Him in prayer
Lift your eyes and lift them higher
The sun will set on your empire

Look to that which shall endure
To all that's holy, good and pure
And He'll protect you from many harms
And He would welcome you into His arms

Thank you brother Frank for sharing more of your heart. I certainly wasn't asking you to leave, forgive me if that is what it sounded like. I just got the impression that you don't "like" America and what it stands for and the way it was founded etc. If you say you don't dislike her then my impression is wrong, sorry for that. On that note, I think every nation and culture has its good and bad points and even when we see their bad points it is not always wise to discuss them, unless it is pertinent to sharing the gospel.

I thank God for that word over your life and I can really see that to be true! You and others have been called to be Ambassadors to the American church...perhaps I have too? So in that role we must be careful what we say as "guests" in the "host" nation. Perhaps downplaying the legitimacy of the nation and its formation is not wise? Especially when it comes from a Brit lol:) As a minister of the gospel, the message can be diluted when these other issues cloud the main message. Our call is to preach the gospel and call the church to repentance, and not get too sidetracked. When we bring up issues that can be construed as un-American we will find ourselves in a never ending debate. Its like trying to argue with a Texan against hunting...it's pointless:) Or arguing over calvinism...both sides have very strong views and all that is usually achieved is that someone gets offended. These non-essentials more often than not divide us. A case in point was another thread the other day where unless I am mistaken a good brother (sidewalk) became offended over these non-essential debates.

I hope everyone on this forum reads this and has understanding. The pettiness of some of these discussions is way beneath us as Ambassadors for Christ and we really need to check our hearts and let the Lord search us.

Anyway brother Frank, its late and I have to crash but I really want to encourage you in Gods call on your life to sound the alarm to wake up the church of America...I really believe that it is a very legitimate call but you have only begun to see the very tip of the effectiveness of what God wants to do through you. I love what you stand for and I see you as a true Scottish Warrior calling for the Remnant to rise up and live fully for Christ. I would fight alongside you in a heartbeat brother...anytime!

First of all bro Mark, I forgive you for calling me a Brit :)
Secondly I would like to address the issue you raised about the issues we discuss and what we should not discuss. As an Ambassador to the church in America, my particular calling is to speak to the citizens of of the heavenly city of Jerusalem. Part of that is to remind them exactly who they are and what country they were born again in, the heavenly country, the Kingdom.

Now this may not be your calling, for it is the Lord that calls and I praise God for whatever he has called you to and would not try to tell you otherwise for you are His servant. Are the issues of nationalism and other aspects of our humanity that can compete for our loyalties a thorny one? Oh yes. Remember, the Jewish people chose Barabbas over Jesus because Barabbas was a zealot, a nationalist. The Jewish people were so nationalistic , that it blinded them to the Messiah because they were looking for someone to defeat the Romans and put them back in their proper place, little knowing that they were only a few decades away from total destruction. It made Jesus weep as He looked out over Jerusalem. This issue caused the death of Stephen because he dared to challenge the Temple system.

Anyway, I am going to stop there because it is my passion and I could speak or write endlessly about it because it is a fire in my bones and the Lord has had to painfully teach me not to mind the things of men. I love you brother and I know my Aussie born mate is a fighter and that the Lord will use the stubborn fighting traits of your original birth place to great effect in the coming days as the storm continues to head our way..........bro Frank

Gary, your version "Aussi" is a new one to me, but I am willing to bet this is your unique spelling style:) And just in case you didn't know I am a Perth lad!!!

Frank,
Its all good but I think in reference to the Brit comment I am technically correct...haha...from Wiki:
"Great Britain, also known as Britain, is an island in the North Atlantic off the north-west coast of continental Europe. Politically, Great Britain refers to the island together with a number of surrounding islands, which constitute the territory of England, SCOTLAND and Wales. The island of Ireland lies to its west.

Hey, there is a lot of forgiveness going on. Perhaps I stumbled into the wrong site? :) Your really pushing your luck Mark with all that Wiki nonsense, just goes to show you, you cant believe everything you read on the internet.

And Gary, not sure what an Aussi is, but knowing Mark, he probably is one :) ............bro Frank

Actually Crusader it changed to love and friendship and a wee bit of fun, which is always good in very heavy subjects. Its way better than finger pointing and hurt feelings :)I agree with your post apart from maybe the last sentence unless when you speak of dying you speak in spiritual terms? For many of us who are actually alive just prior to the Lord returning will indeed die, but we do not fear him that can destroy the body, but Him that can destroy the body and soul..........bro Frank

Lisa writes...........

"My point was to encourage you, Frank and I hope to read more of this scenario from you!!"

I actually just saw this sister and I thank you. This view is just simply what I believe the Lord has laid on my heart ( that sounds less emphatic so as to avoid being accused of being dogmatic:)

The thing about end times of course is that no one can be dogmatic in their views of how it will all come to pass, in fact one should avoid anyone who claims they know for a fact. I myself am thoroughly convinced that America will give birth ( if indeed he is not already born) to the anti-christ. He will be a strong man, whom the world is desperately looking for, and he will exercise that strength and show the world that he is not afraid to exact retribution on a scale not seen before, and the world will rejoice. He would be well capable of destroying groups like ISIS, or Pakistan if called to, or North Korea or indeed even call Russia's bluff and bring them to heel.

We still need the catalyst though. It has to be bad enough to change everything and allow him to step forward. Given the choice between dictatorship and anarchy, the people will choose dictatorship everytime..........bro Frank