Has anyone dealt with a psychopath spiritually?

Greetings everyone

My brother is a Psychopath, we became christians together 26 years ago but i have noticed that he hasnt changed he has just become more sneaky in hiding it. I know how to deal with Psychopaths in the secular world but as a Christian i am unable to find much resources or testimonies of them becoming christians and completley changing their lives. Not one church has picked it up that he goes too and he just causes destruction everywhere he goes. have any of the mature saints on sermon index had or seen or heard of a psychopath changing with jesus. i have google alot on the subject and not much resources to study this in the bible. thankyou any ideas or discussions about my question will be much apreciated.

crusader

What do you mean by "psychopath?"

Psychopath or sociopath? Very different.

My sister has been a church goer since childhood, she prays, pays tithes, attends church every Sunday (nothing during the week), I have no doubt she loves the Lord in her own way but the woman has demons, plural. I believe that the big ones came to her when she was a child and her experiences at that time.

Crusader, I do not doubt that your brother got saved but there is no way that your brother is a Christian and a psychopath without having demons. Think about it what the Bible says about demonic activity.

I cannot go up to my sister and just cast out demons and I doubt you can your brother either. I believe that she has to acknowledge at least one or two of them before she can be set free. It is probably the same with your brother. I would love to see her set free, both of our lives would be the better for it.

Anyway, can you differentiate between the worldly label of a psychopath and demons that operate in his life? It is definitely worth praying and seeking the Lord about.

God bless,
Lisa

Both "psychopath" and "sociopath" are terms conceived in secular psychological explanations of human behavior and are thus not found in scripture. But both describe the human condition in slavery to sin, and both require serious repentance.

Sociopaths are generally people who have seared consciences and are immune to feeling empathy for others. They cannot be trusted. Psycopaths on the other hand are stimulated by other's pain, and relish inflicting it. They are a danger to those close by, do not form genuine relationships, and as Lisa pointed out are most likely infected with demons.

The biggest problem is their blindness to their condition, rarely seeking help to get free. It is a monumental shame that modern Christian fellowships and organizations are not equipped to deal with demons, partly because working between conviction, repentance, confession, and deliverance pretty much requires someone who has been through it. It is not the most fun form of ministry!

Yet there is hope, because deliverance is real and there are many who enjoy a sweet and humble faith on the other side of demon deliverance.

As you pray for your brother, let him know from scripture that his lifestyle is contrary to Christ. Love him, but do not excuse his behavior.

This is tough stuff, like Lisa also pointed out it is very hard to go into this with someone so close. I have an older brother who is a retired liberal minister who is completely closed to any thoughts of Christ from me. Another brother believes he is a Christian and can talk a pretty good game but lives with a woman not his wife, with a trail of destruction- several other wives. I pray a lot, truly a grief that my brothers have not chosen repentance and righteousness. I like the prayer to the Lord of the harvest to send laborers- a couple special vineyards in need.

hi all thankyou for the responses

your stories are very similar to mine, when i am working in the secular world with different types of these it's easy because i dont have to be attached but as it is my older brother its been very interesting trying to battle of the constant manipulation of him trying to gain control somewhere in my life. (i have alot of money comeing my way which he knows about)when we where younger and i was less wise, we ended up in a fist fight when he tried to control me and i choked him out cold so he is careful how he tries to manipulate me. I have no doubt it is demonic i only use todays terms as most people have an idea of the behaviour and yes he has 45 years of destruction behind him, he used up all of his exs and left them with nothing. everything is a game for him, he ticks every box for the fruits of the flesh but i do know that God has brought him into my life to teach me how to deal with this spiritually and hopefully to see him free. I cant tell people about his past due to legal restraints but God knows him.

when he first come to christianity there was a very big demonic battle we all saw it and thats why i became a christian. but about 8 weeks later he ended up in the underworld. 3 years later he resurfaced back into our lives and he never was the same again. i have confronted him and as some people know this goes nowhere.

other people that have testimonies in this area helps alot and even an email me how god got you through it. i am not in need of theology as i know the ins and outs but personal experiences as this is edifying for me knowing that i am not the only christian to come against this.

hi brenda

i so understand what you are saying, my wife was in a relationship with one as well and finally escaped when he held a gun to their 5 year olds head and said that she could never leave him and that he would shoot the son. fortunatley the police stormed in and resued her but he has been costanly trying to track her down for 15 years now until he met me ( i am a big man and too some i can look kinda scary not that im like that anymore). the whole time he was laughing and loved when she was alone and the mental health trauma it caused her. at the same time he was with another girl he got pregnant and is abusing her.

I did seperate from my brother but i know that God wants to work in this at the moment as its bringing up a few holes in my armour as well as wounds i thought where healed. i do believe God can change their hearts without any doubts but it is a spiritual battle that i havent been in before. i have cast out demons in the past but these seem to have a very strong stronghold and he doesnt seem to want to give this ground up. I sense an anger deep inside now as alot of his methods are not working against me as i have wised up too them.

My wife and i both noticed we came from the same kind of people in our pasts and we are able to recognise whats happening and support each other.

Quote: I sympathise very much with you. I used to think that they had hope but no longer do after studying the subject at length. They belong to Satan and there is no hope for him.

There is always hope, I can always remember suffering at the hands of my Mother as she saw the "Duncan" in me. Basically she saw a trait in my character that ran in here family, now all she did by sowing violence to extinguish that trait was to reap violence when I was big enough thats what happen. I grew up believing that I acted a certain way because I was born that way.

The very reason, I sought God was that one day that I was going to come out of these uncontrollable violent outburst and someone was going to lying dead at my feet dead. I tried doctors, they told me to go and exercise, I didn't drink alcohol so I could try and keep control of myself, my only hope was to seek God.

Now for a while I got worse, I started hearing voices, I started hearing a demon speaking to me, I didn't go to the doctor about that as I knew I would be put in a straightjacket and put in a padded cell.

But it did get so bad that I had to sit with my hands on my head asking God to help me and when it was at it's strongest that very night deliverance came, I had to be set free from a curse on my life and a devil cast out from then I was totally changed my character was completely different.

Pray and Fast for your brother, God can set him free....

wow

Firstly, Brenda thankyou for sharing and i know why you have come to that conclusion as my wife also come to that conclusion who has studied psycopaths for 10 years and was classed as the top 1% of australian universities. she really related to your post. i think it is wise to run away from them but i feel that now God has teamed me up with my wife to deal with this there is something he wants to teach us as we deal with vaious different types in our work environments. i have also noticed a rapid growth of Narcissistic reasoning everywhere which is very alarming its even invaded alot of churches. anyway thats another topic

secondly, Colin Murray i also agree with your post and its definatley in need of fasting and prayer which may lead God to tell me to walk away or to allow God to get the glory in setting him free.

i agree with other posts that it is definatley demonic but dealing with it was out of my experience and i can only move with what God tells me to do. i think the subject has so many different variants and only God as the surgen can get to the target.

The psychopath is not someone with no conscience, rather they are ones who has trained their conscience, or seared there conscience which allows them to act with no remorse.

yeah i cant find anything at the moment as well. the only references in the bible that lead me to the traits so far is galations.

at the end of this it might be about God just teaching me how to spiritually be protected by the spiritual attack these spirits bring. currently its manipulating with lies and emotional ploys. which he hasn't won yet as we are prepared for it each day and i stand my ground. Obviously he tries to do this with humour and innocent tactics. with in 2 days he has come back into the country and has hooked up with a church and already they are doing things for him.

Well 'Legion' certainly had more than a few issues and he got delivered and set free.

Who are we to label people and say they have no hope? Particularly as these labels are just humanistic and devoid of spiritual discernment.

Hi crusader - have you seen this? (there's a testimony embedded)

http://moralapologetics.com/on-psychopathy-and-moral-apologetics/

A Psychopath Finds Jesus!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tSQdG2umIQ

hi all thankyou for your posts they have all been helpfull

1. LoveMeekHope yeah its not a behaviour that is in my character today as God has heeled me in that area. it was more of an impulse action after suffering many years of violent abuse, being punched kicked teased and controled by my brother.

2. i have no problem with not using the terminolgy i used but it was easier for me to use it as people are more aware of the behaviours that these demons characterised with.

3. i do believe that nothing is impossible for christ thats if that person wants to be free but when they dont its a dangerous person to be around and it is very difficult to tell if they are telling the truth or not unless the holy spirit advises whats going on.

4. Brenda i know where you are comming from with your posts and the only people that can understand this are people that have been victims of these types.

5. i watched the 2 links and they where insightful but as brenda pointed out they are different to what we are talking about. the main difference is the control and the games played to gain that control no matter the hurt that it causes others. they love the game i think its the closest to satans characher you will see in the flesh.

6. the testimonies i have been seeking is how God interviend in the situation which as pointed out next to nothing available to look at.

the posts have been good for me as i didnt realise just how many wounds i have from this that i havent given to God yet. i do believe that prayer and fasting is needed in this.

Quote: It seems as though psychopaths are joining forces and having a campaign to blur it in order to enable them to hide themselves better and it seems that numbers of them are increasing.

Brenda - your beginning to sound paranoid

hi Colin Murray

i cant speak for brenda but from my own life. these people really damage people emotionally in fact most victims end up with borderline problems which means that we only see black or white in our reasoning. this is because psychopaths blur the lines of truth so much and they are so good at it that we second guess our own reasoning and understanding which can start to make you loose your mind and identity if it isnt sorted out quick enough. the only natural defence to this is to see things either black or white and to stand by that. it does create paranoia as its how the enemy spiritually attacks the victim. paranoia is being over defencive in order to survive. Jesus is the only one that can take this away and he did for me by knowing i was safe in his hands.

hi brenda

my brother did the same, he got caught out in his lies by one of his wifes and as he was going to loose everything he went to the drs and was diagnosed with ptsd from his time in the army but he tried to hide this from me as i was in the same unit as him and i know that he never saw any action or incidents of a serious nature. he ended up joining an ex servicemens group of men who had all seen action and suffered from ptsd. the group actually loved him and he was able to talk the talk and they all believed his lies. 3 months later he got caught out with his lies and was kicked out of the marriage that lasted about a year. he then manipulated all of her friends and tried to destroy her reputation until he found another girlfriend.

i just want to say that when reading these posts please be gracious. the trauma and experiences are so horrific they leave a person absolutley rocked that takes along time of healing. i was under this since i was about 2 to 5 years old an as a result violence seemed like a normal part of life and you never knew when you would be attacked so the only way to keep safe was to be defensive all the time which smashes your emotions. by the time i was 18 i had become very good at fighting as i thought the better i got the more i would be safe. i was so wrong especially when i met Jesus, it was so hard for me to put my fists down and trust that he would protect me. but through the years my saviour has done that and our relationship grows everyday.
i am still growing in this area.

Hi brenda

yeah there is alot of spiritual damage but the lord has me in a good place. a year ago i was in a top job and my boss was a psycopath anyway as long as i did what she wanted i got more promoted and benifits in my employment. my wife pointed out how much she was controlling me and trying to seperate us so i stopped just doing everything for her and made some boundires. the Lord warned me that she would try to destroy me, so in the back ground i sort legal help and copied all of all threats. one morning i went into work early and the lord said leave so i did and aranged a meeeting with the higher management team and decided to put all my cards on the table about what was going on. i had alot of fear durring this especially the consequences that the enemy was saying would happen. normally i would have just submitted as it is easier.

what i didnt know was that she had arranged that morning to have me sacked from work and had played with all the paperwork to look like i was not doing my job. legally if i had been there and was sacked it would have been exceptionally harder to prove my case.

it became a massive court battle and the lies that where told did hurt but i stayed strong in the lord. anyway we won the case and i was advised that the damage she had caused the company over the years before i had started work there, they are still trying to sort it out today. she had wrecked so many other workers lives and it was all covered up in lies. i am so thankful that God had saved me from the trap that she had set for me. the Lord was by my side the whole time, and it was more about me standing against adversary. There is alot of these people out there unfortunatley in my line of work i see more then most and there is no confusing the difference.

on another note i supose my original post was more about testimonies of people being set free from this as i have had trouble finding any testimonies directly related. i wanted the testimonies as they can have insight and they build faith towards the unknown. the posts instead have revealed alot to me about the outcome from this which is just as usefull and healing. i do feel that i have given a bit too much light on how strong they are and how hard it is to deal with them. when in reality i serve a mighty God that demons tremble in his presence and every creature must bow down to his glory and rightiousness.

I am gratefull that such a person as i was chosen by him to recieve his Son as payment for my violations against him. If Christ is with me who can stand against me? i am not responsible for what my brother done to me but i am responsible for how i responded to it and as a christian i have learned many things in this journey that was mapped out for me. the people i help today is only because of what i went through and i wouldnt want it any other way. I love my brother dispite what i went through, i would love to hear him say sorry to me for all the abuse but so far he is incapable of doing this and doesnt see that he has ever done anything wrong. as he is much older now he is at a point that he has caused so much damage that it is constantly catching up with him and he is running out of ways to run and hide from it.

where did the demons enter? well it seems he was born like that as my parents tell me stories of when he was very young. my aunty tends to believe that it was passed down from my grandad. (Generational sin) these things have been brought to my atttention durring this post.

Quote: It does create paranoia as its how the enemy spiritually attacks the victim. paranoia is being over defencive in order to survive. Jesus is the only one that can take this away and he did for me by knowing i was safe in his hands.

Remember the people who seek to control other usually operate in the spirit of witchcraft. For example, the spirit of witchcraft is a master at diverting attention away from itself by turning it toward you. Witchcraft even separates and isolates its victims from friends and family. One that is being spiritually attacked often feels the loss of personal identity and self-esteem, depression and fatigue can follow.

by murrcolr on 2015/3/2 12:17:14

A Psychopath Finds Jesus!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tSQdG2umIQ

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thanks for posting this. Nothing is impossible with Christ Jesus.

rdg

Here is an interview about dealing with mental illness:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=313141652441

Hi All

had a major break through today but still in the thick of it will post what is happening when i get sometime. to those that have been praying please keep praying as our heavenly Father awnsered the prayers this morning and is moving in a way i have never seen before.

Post withdrawn, not good for a healthy discussion.

It seems that a psychopath is one who control others through non violent means.

The next time you look at the pulpit at the church - you may be looking at a psychopath.

Have you guys listened to this guy or read his book?

Thomas Sheridan
Puzzling People: The Labyrinth of the Psychopath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_pxh0xIlhw

Boy, was the youtube interview eye-opening for me on the psychopathic front. After listening to this guy, my sister is not a psychopath, she does have demons but definitely not a psychopath.

And he talks through out about how dangerous they are. About demons, he said he was besieged with people telling him that psychopaths are NOT demonically possessed and that this one man who contacted him stated, "I'm not going to say their demons but what's in there, what's behind that skin is not one of us."

You guys might want to listen to his videos or read his book. Let us know if you agree with assessment of them.

http://www.amazon.com/Puzzling-People-Psychopath-Thomas-Sheridan-ebook/dp/B00ADQGR12/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425485368&sr=8-1&keywords=puzzling+people+thomas+sheridan

God bless,
Lisa

Krautfrau,

I ask this kindly, did you listen to the whole video? I heard him mention sociopaths but they were not the whole or even half or a quarter of his talk.

He described exactly what you and crusader have described; how these people wreck havoc in your life, your finances, your emotions, etc and how a someone involved with them can have PTSD afterwards.

I'm not sure which video you listened to but he, too, believes they can't change.

For others who are interested, here is #1 of a series of videos based on his book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tro2U-cezqo

***I know nothing about psychopaths except what I've read from you guys (who have enlightened me tremendously) and I've learned much from this guys videos.

edited

Hi All

there is definatley warfare happening, although he is being really broken at the moment and their are tears, i am fully aware of the enemy working durring this as well and he is constantly steering my brother to focus all of this on himself. I finally got hold of a christian friend of mine who understands the deliverence ministry as much as me and we are going to sit down with him today. The motives of him being broken is very very important and it will be a decider as to wether or not he becomes free. God showed me that he needs to die to self and be reborn and his mind needs to be renewed but unless he completley gives every part over to Jesus he will continue as before.

what i have seen different is that i have been able to show him the destruction he has caused through his life and spoken from different people feelings and how they felt. whats unique about this as he cannot deny what i am saying cause i saw most of it. He has been struggling with this as he has never thought about how others feel only about himself and his needs. its very lengthy process. His relationship with Jesus and God is very distorted and is not christianity but he thought it was. he has a false sence of love and peace which he had believed was from God and yet he was causing destruction to others and then saying thatGod will deal with them as i am fine with God. He has never been condemed under the law to understand what real grace is and what God has done through Jesus.

Ihave had to keep bringing him back to the law which is stumping him. After each time i have been with him, i have to sit down with my wife and go through all the conversations and their are key words comming out of his mouth which we are discussing and can see clearer what the enemy is doing. These are hard to pick up when in his presence because of the constant emotional manipulation, even just being in a room with him you can feel various manipulations going on.

It is my hope today that he trully will give all of himself to God and if he doesnt then i know God wont move as the enemy will have legal ground to stay. the other verse that the Lord has brought to my mind is "1 Corinthians 5:5" i never done this before and never needed to but this verse has been weighing on my mind. I seen an old pastor do this once and the outcome lead the person to the Lord a month later.

at the end of the day this is a scenario i havent been in before and i need to just sit in the lord and work as he directs. too everyone that has posted links, i apreciate them as i work with many different types of people and i can always learn new stuff. the victim in the last link had very similar experiences as myself and i was brought into the same knowledge as she was so i apreciated it.

i look at demon influences like they are cancer, they operate in different parts of the body having different effects. a surgeon needs to find the location by the characteristics and then use surgical precision to cut it out and it must all be removed. demons also have different characteristics and the lord needs to use the right procedure to set that person free. which leads me to the leprosy examinations in the old testiment, same principles.

its in the Lords hands now.

ps the reason he became broken is that the night before he had a dream about demons screaming at him and he felt fear for the first time and this led him to being open to the conversations we are having. he is constantly braking into tears which i have never seen him ever do before. the dream was so poerfull that he has been broken for days now.

Its been a long day and im guessing going to be a long week.
my friend came over and he said some good words from the lord but he doesnt know my brothers full condition as as a result opened some areas for him to escape as a victim and focus on himself. which is ok as many pastors have done this with him before. i do believe that a couple of strong seeds where sown about lies.

as i stated in my last post the situation needs the precise precition of the lords hand. The Lord said to me to take him through deliverence which i will do. to be honest i had some fear about doing this thats why i asked my friend to be involved but God has made me aware that the enemy is trying to put me off by puffing up and being more then he is.

any little message from the bible that can be bended into him being a victim making it more difficult for him to see the truth actually he stated lying more and more when this had happened. i got to bring him back under the law as it stops his self rightiousness.

im not an expert in whats happening, i know the behaviours but it is new territory that i am in. at the end of the day wether it is gods intention to just keep me safe and strong durring this or it is for my brother to be set free is Gods choice and either way God is almighty and rightious and is holy and perfect in everything he does.

i am just his glove to use at this point and have to wait for him to direct me and use me. I do believe though that this will lead to a dilverence due to the amout of spiritual stiring which is occurring especiall when the enemy is trying to stop me praying with him.

Hmm...insightful thread.

As I read through it I am seeing the sin of lying at work and the varying forms it works. It is no wonder that its prohibition is listed in the ten commandments and among the list of people who will be cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I know from personal experience how difficult it is to deal with a liar. They are slick, smooth, manipulative, can be very religious, abusive. Right now we are dealing with a person people have labeled a pathological liar. These people are skilled in making you believe you are the one at fault.

God bless you all with discernment. The devil is working hard to derail your faith and trust in the LORD Jesus - just do not give him - the devil - the pleasure of winning that war.

Sandra

Hi All

been intersting days and perhaps the journey may go on too long to keep posting on this post.

The interaction with the pastor the other day has caused damaged and it seems that we are back at square one. i seen this happen alot when in drug counselling. many counsellors fall for the "emotional victim" dialogue and resue the person from what God is trying to do. a victim reasoning allows a person to sit in self rightiousness rather then feeling condemed by the law, thus they justify there anger, pain and actions against the crimes done to them not what they do to others. the church he is going to has also played a part in this. the fruit people show can be so dazzling to the eyes and easy to see in the flesh but the root will always determine wether the fruit is good or bad.

the lying is very heavy, but i feel the reason i am seeing this so easily is because the holy spirit is making me aware. i can see past the emotional manipulations and am very sensitive to the hidden intent that is sitting in the background. its as if i dont see him anymore and can see the xray.

God is preparing me and i feel the holy spirit starting to rise up in me for a dilerverence but when this will happen im not sure, i just have to be ready when God says.

while this is going on there are other things happening around me which has really blessed me. its like a stiring in the spirit realm. 2x people that have left my life have made contact with me in tears and have asked to see me.

i am aware of the enemy attacking my thoughts but the holy spirit is on it and keeping me well informed. our father is sooo Good i still can't fathom why he does good things to me but he does. i have a baby girl due in 5 weeks and that was and is a blessing in itself. praise to our Father in heaven.

hi
thankyou for the posts, my attention has been on my beautiful wife and our baby girl. these other things came into my life and i am just dealing with what is brought to me wether it be keeping my own self safe or helping others.

I am spiritually in a peacefull condition where as if this was to happen in the past it would be destroying me. Yes our father can use other people in this situation and if that be his will then so be it but at the moment they have been brought into my path and i need to discern what the father wants to do.

i supose the reason i first posted was to build my faith up when dealing with the situations by the experiences of those that have had victory in this area. i did get alot of information from the different posts and i am clear on the awnser now as i have been able to reason through all of the different replies and other studies. thankyou to everyone as it has helped me search deeper into scripture.

love Karl