Is the SHEMITAH like Y2K happening again?

I was just introduced to Jonathan Cahn's Shemitah video and teachings just a few weeks ago...

I can remember 15-17 years ago the Y2K fear of "prepare" for the end of the world happening and it's happening again, where he predicts that the end of the world is going to happen this Sept 2015 (or around that date). I can't explain in this post the lengthy teaching he gives, but I'm trying to walk in a balance of God's truth, reality and not fear. It appears that many of his prophetic conclusions that he even gives from scripture points to the reality that "life in America" is going to change rapidly because of many reasons of this countries sins (Abortion, same-sex marriage, etc.)

Rabbi Cahn does share to us not to have fear, but to be aware and ready (by the end of this summer), but how, what does that look like? Has anybody been watching his teachings, videos, books and have some thoughts?

Thanks,
Doug

Not sure how to prepare for the end of the world.

The way I figure it is if I don't watch or listen to such teachings I won't be tempted to fear. So I avoid them like the plague.

Cahn's teaching does not propose anything outside of what Jesus said in terms of the conditions of the time of the end. (Not that I can tell, anyway.)

Cahn's teaching does propose a time frame. It is arguably outside of what Jesus said and arguably outside of what the Bible as a whole says. I'll let anyone else who cares to advocate in either direction on that. :)

Let's set aside Cahn, then. Let's see what the witness of God is here.

First, it is not for us to know the times and seasons that the Father has under His authority. Amen? Amen.

Second, Jesus spoke to His disciples -- and the apostles wrote sufficiently -- about the time of the end. Is there reason to believe we are in that time? Yes. Amen? Amen.

Third, is time the greatest enemy of the church in America? No. Time is not our greatest enemy. WE are our greatest enemy. We are the ones who in these times are lovers of self, etc. That warning of Paul in 2 Timothy 3 is a warning against our own hearts. It is a two millennia warning, not a two-minute warning. We are desperate not only because we believe time is short --- not even primarily because we believe time is short --- but because we have turned our backs on the Lord our God. We have substituted a pagan faith that is no faith at all and we stubbornly refuse to repent. We stubbornly refuse to warn about THAT.

Fourth, let's say Cahn is onto something. Maybe just a thread of accuracy to his thoughts on timing. The NT church suffered. Read 1 and 2 Peter again. Read Acts again. Read the Prison Epistles again. Read the stories of saints of God like Paul Bunyan or John Hess. Real suffering, but the real presence of God. There are martyrs today who testify of this real presence of God that helps them surpass fear. We should not be in fear even if Cahn is that blind squirrel who happens upon a nut, or even if Cahn is a direct recipient of illumination from the Holy Spirit.

In our fellowship at home, we are asking -- among a few other things on a very short list of specific prayer -- for God to baptize us in the Holy Spirit and fire again. To make us who He wants us to be. To raise up, too, a prophetic voice of warning to the spiritually darkened in our area. What warning? Shemitah? NO! A warning to repent and obey the gospel. A warning that judgment comes to everyone. A warning that cultural Baptists are not Baptists, that cultural Christians are not Christians, and that everyone needs to understand that they are made by a holy God who loves them but will not extend His kingdom to them now or forever if they do not come to Him on His terms, and that is through Jesus Christ.

Sorry --- I'm preaching now.

A warning, guys, that is not accompanied with our own tepid and timid hopes for the best --- but a warning that is accompanied with the Holy Ghost and fire and a power to endure the worst.

I was listening yesterday and today to Brian Long's message on the SI podcast about coming judgment and the need for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He was sounding alarms, too, no doubt. Not Cahn's style of alarm, but the common alarm that most of us know to be needed that we are moving to the end of things. (I know not everyone agrees, but bear with me.) Alarms need sounding. But, if the alarm is just noise, who will gather for the battle? If we are without a new and living baptism in the Spirit, why do we even care if an alarm is sounded? If we are convinced in our hearts that an alarm is needed but we are only lip serving the brokenness and emptiness that can be filled with the Spirit of the living God, then we may be in worse shape than those who need that alarm!

So, Shemitah, Shlimazel, hossenpfeffer incorporated. (If anyone gets that joke, please give me a smiley. Otherwise, ignore that.) The Word of God says, "Be of good cheer. I have overcome the world." The Word says, "Fear not." The Word says, "I am with you always even TO the end of the age." Oh, God that you'll open our eyes and our hearts and ears and our whole faculties to our ongoing utter need for You and that You will fill us again for Your work in these days.

Tim, you get a smiley for that

:)

Where can I find Brian Long's message?

Brother Tim,
Well said sir and Amen!

:) from "Lenny and squiggy" ;)

The Brian Long sermon is on the SI podcast. It is probably on the app too. And I will guess you can find it under his name if search by speaker in the audio sermons. You can find it in his videos at brianlongpreaching dot com

Yes Marc but sincere and bible believing Christians have seen "the day" approaching for 2000 years.

Granted, "the day" is closer than it was 10 minutes ago.

Marc mc, we will see soon enough if Cahn is onto something or not. While we're watching and praying anyway, there's no harm in noticing his warning and keeping our eyes on Jesus our author and finisher to see if Cahn's trajectory meets Jesus' work. I'm not a Cahn basher or a Cahn believer. My prayer is that he speaks what God has said to him because in pure compassion I do not want him to have been a false teacher, even if unintentionally. We'll see.

What is the Holy Spirit doing in His people? That seems to me to be the important question. Cahn is not alone in being one of many warning voices. I desperately want the redemption of my body to Jesus, and all of yours too!

Is it valid for us to respond to these concerns with "Christians have been expecting the time of the end for 2,000 years and it hasn't happened yet, so there's no reason to think we are near the threshold now anymore than then?" I'm not being critical of the statement and I've said it too. But, I'm beginning to second guess myself. From a logical standpoint, I'm not sure it makes sense to say that.

For one, it hoists a burden of proof onto those who seek God with their whole lives, hear from God, and come away from that hearing with an inner knowledge of the approaching of the day as in Heb. 10:25. Now, people of God should not fear proof or sneer at the request for it. Yet, when the "reason" for the knowledge is the inner, subjective witness of the Holy Spirit and a reading of the times, it is almost as if we say, "That's not enough proof. This is fearmongering. We've heard it before. Stop."

On the other hand, if we are going to speak truth and faithfully deliver what the Spirit is saying in truth to us, He is not afraid to give reasons and they are found in His Word. He will not ignore or disagree with His own Word. It certainly appears to me that 2 Timothy 3:1-5 is burgeoning before our eyes. They are last days conditions.

It also seems that the more circumstances exist than ever regarding the biblical descriptions of the time of the end. I'm not the authority by any means. And, if you go down this road, next thing you know you're being made to feel like the Fox Mulder of eschatology -- weird, conspiratorial, gullible, insistent.

But, Israel's situation alone is unique and compelling enough to inform me (and I knowingly bear the risk of being wrong) that we are very near the Day. Technologically, too, things exist now that actually sound like they came out of the apocalyptic writing of Revelation.

So, if we're going to say, "well, they thought this 2,000 years ago", we should also be willing to hear, "the fullness of the time of the Gentiles wasn't, the regathering of Israel wasn't, the smallness of a really big world wasn't (and by that I mean that although we are billions in number, technology has placed us together as instantly and simultaneously subject to its reach), the power of Islam -- politically and psychologically -- around the entire globe wasn't ...." and other things as well. There are many things unique to our time that our forefathers, as much as they knew God, did not know about. And, He saw fit not to reveal it to them. We have more reason to believe that now the Day is near, more reason than mere passage of time.

In regard to the passage about children disobeying their parents- where does that refer to? Do we really think the good ol USA?

Maybe kids obey their parents like crazy in Israel or Japan, or Iran. We know that a lot of kids are disobedient here is the U.S. but that is only relevant if the passage is referring to the U.S.

Maybe it's referring to kids in the Church? I don't know.

We could view this disobedience to parents as part of the same Satanic strategy strategy as homosexuality. Where homosexuality mars the image of God in the face of humanity, obscuring the clarity of who God is to the hearts and minds of men, disobedience to parents also mars that image. Parenthood is a reflection of the nature and personality of God to a child. Rampant disobedience within families on a social scale is an extensive and far-reaching rebellion against God's nature.

Bear in mind that the husband is the head of the wife, that Christ is the head of the man, and that the head of Christ is God. I child's rejection of his parents equals rejection of not merely God's order of the family, but God himself.

I think perhaps it makes sense to view the list in 2 Timothy 3 as cumulative. What I mean is if you look at the first entry in that list it is bracketed first with men being lovers of self and lastly lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God/loving to appear godly without his power. Weigh all of the rest of those against that backdrop. See how each of those compounds up on the idea of being lovers of self and how they climax as pleasure and masquerade. Masquerade of who? God. It reads as if the spiraling occurrence of these things together is significant of the times.

I appreciate and deeply bear witness with the thoughts regarding the the baptism in the Holy Spirit in this topic. While I know that Christ's eminent return is at hand I do not bear witness with what is being said regarding the end being next month. There are prophetic events that still must take place and we also know that we are children of the day that the day of the Lord should not overtake us as a thief.

Romans 8:21-23 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. (22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. (23) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

As Tim so appropriately shared by the Spirit Romans 8 speaks of the Holy Spirits roll in the Christians life and the end times. The Holy Spirit was poured out 2,000 years ago and the church has slipped far away from this experience and is greatly lacking the power of the Holy Spirit.

Before Jesus returns I know that I know that I know that He is going to pour out His Spirit once again in a way the church has never seen nor known. Joel 2 speaks of this.

The imagery of what Joel is speaking of regarding Israel in relation to the church and the end time is very clear and evident. His words do apply to Israel and at the same time apply to the church as well.

I won't copy the whole chapter but would like to prime the pump if you will.

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion (the church), and sound an alarm in my holy mountain (the church): let all the inhabitants of the land (the church) tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

The day of the Lord is a day of wrath and judgement the clear warning of the trumpet is to Gods people not the world. Judgement is going to begin at the house of the Lord (and already has actually. The same applies to the description of professing Christians in 2 Timothy.

As you read through Joel the church is facing Gods wrath and terrible judgement. By the church I do not mean to include His sheep and His elect but those who are in the church professing to know Him but deny Him by their continued sin, rebellion, and hypocrisy.

But prior and even in the midst of His wrath God is still going to give the opportunity for repentance which I believe will happen through the ministry of the Spirit filled believers in the church.

I am only scratching the surface of this topic and I am not real great trying to line up my thoughts and putting it on paper.

I just want to say the Holy Spirit is the absolute KEY and only hope as we approach the end. So many people in the church want to deny the function and place of the HS in their lives, ministry, and church. I know this by experience. It is so amazing and grieving to see such a denial.

The good news though is God IS going to have His way and as He begins and continues to use those who want, hunger, and thirst for all He desires to give us, He will change hearts, and turn hearts to Himself.

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion (the church), and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately (the initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit), and he will cause to come down for you the rain (His Spirit and Power), the former rain (the initial outpouring), and the latter rain (the coming outpouring of the Holy Spirit)in the first month.

Joel 2:28-29 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (29) And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

One last thought when it comes to young people. I believe that God is going to raise up a young generation who are hungering after Him also in the last days. It has been difficult watching such rebellion in young people these last few years but God reminded me of what is coming in the not to distant future.

Our sons and daughters will prophesy, and you cannot do that without the Holy Spirit in you, and you cannot have the Holy Spirit in you unless you are genuinely saved.

David-

Just to clarify, the traditional doctrine of the "imminent return of Christ" holds that nothing further needs to happen; that Jesus could return at any moment and all required prophecies have been fulfilled.

The only reason I mention this is because you said you said you knew that Christ's imminent return is at hand but you also feel that further prophecy must be fulfilled first.

But it is entirely possible by imminent you meant "soon" and you were not referencing the doctrine of imminency.

Yes, thanks Todd.

Marc, I do not know anything about the Shemitah. I was more focused on Doug's statement about Y2K and the end of the world that is being plastered all over the internet.

I do not know much about Jonathan Cahn either but it appears Doug was saying he is predicting the end of the world next month? In addition to that prediction, there has been a lot about a meteor coming next month and the Jade Helm stuff also.

Like the Y2K scare, the same fear mongering is surrounding these events. I appreciate what you shared about the two classes of people, one will be overtaken and the other ready and waiting. Both classes of which are in the church. Confessors and professors.

I am all for sounding and blowing the trumpet and warning people to repent, I just do not bare witness with the spirit of fear that surrounds these events like the internet is promoting. I have spoken with some Christians who are genuinely in fear about these events.

If we are ready as you mentioned, there should be no fear. When fear is present it is a definite indicator hearts might not be right.

Thanks for the clarification on the Shemitah Marc.

".......This imposed Shemitah judgment was very specific and involved only the nation of Israel . Since no Gentile nations were ever obligated to keep the Shemitah, there is no scriptural basis for suggesting that any other nation would ever experience an imposed Shemitah judgment. Yet, this is precisely what Jonathan Cahn suggests that America has experienced........."
read more :
http://www.thebereancall.org/content/october-2014-extra-shemitah

Oy vey.

I don't believe the nations are the object (I.e., the target) of any OT law EXCEPT that God has indeed made a way for us to worship Him and to know Him. Psalm 67:1, 2 and basically Romans 9-11 and Hebrews are just some of the waypoints toward this end.

So, indirectly, we are witnesses to God's ways to Israel in the Law. Not debating the applicability of the commandments to Gentiles here. I am merely saying that we are walking in the showers of God's goodness. And now, we who believe on Jesus have this whole counsel of God written into our hearts by Him. All of the truth of who He is as expressed in all the Law is personally fulfilled in Jesus who completed the requirements of the Law for Israel and --yes -- for us. Jesus, then, fulfills not only our 10 commandments but our Shemitah. The spirit of Shemitah to walk in rest and restoration, in forgiveness and love, in righteousness and peace with each other .... this is ours through Jesus. Shemitah is not a law to us but Christ who fulfills it IS a law to us.

Again I am not weighing in anymore on Cahn. I don't care about Cahn's views on Shemitah. He thinks he has tapped into knowledge about the ways of God and I am unable to say that the events he believes will occur won't occur. Even yesterday news reports said we are on the verge of a stock market collapse the likes of which we have not see. (David Stockman, Reagan's budget chief.) He is by no means alone. He is not viewed as a nut or fringe or sky is falling person.

Geopolitically, spiritually, this all makes some sense. Whether Shemitah matters prominently here is not mine to say. But Jesus matters. Let us seek Him and support and love each other and warn others while it is day.

RE: ///The Ten Commandments were only given to the Jews. Does that mean they only apply to them?///

I am in agreement with the artical :

"The New Testament never indicates any Sabbath-keeping at either the day or year level for believers after Christ’s death on the cross, but the writer of Hebrews does give additional insight into the matter of the Sabbath for believers in Christ. In order to prepare ethnically Jewish Christians for the soon-coming destruction of the temple, in chapter 4, the author states that those who have believed the gospel have already entered into God’s Sabbath rest by faith””which would include both the Sabbath day and the Sabbath year (Heb:4:1-3 [1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
, 8-10). Therefore, because Christ fulfilled the Law, God does not impose a Sabbath day or a Sabbath year (the Shemitah) upon believers."
read more :
http://www.thebereancall.org/content/october-2014-extra-shemitah

RE: /// You may or may not know but your quote is the doorstep of the reason the Church is in such a mess. ///

Please explain what you mean in more detail ?

This seems to be the foundation of Cahn’s theory :

"Israel and America are the only two nations that God sovereignly planted as a light to the nations. "Those who laid America’s foundations saw it as a new Israel, an Israel of the New World. And as with ancient Israel, they saw it as a covenant with God,” the Prophet says. To whom much is given, much is required."

http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/bios/jonathan_Cahn_010312.aspx

"Cahn often repeats what I call our national myth””that America is somehow the new Israel. This myth goes back to beginning of our history but cannot be sustained by any biblical standard. The myth is based on the belief that man can unilaterally make a covenant and bind God to it, without God having agreed to anything. Cahn claims, "Embedded in America’s foundation is a prophetic warning. The warning was given on America’s first day as a nation. It concerns what will happen if America should ever turn away from God” (Cahn: 21). For such a warning to be valid and binding, it would have to be issued by an infallible prophet who speaks for God, in this case, beyond scripture. Who, exactly, is America’s Moses, or Jesus, or the apostles? Lacking any such person, God cannot have stated that America is Israel and has a binding covenant. That she does is our national myth.

The truth is that God draws out the boundaries of all nations through His providence. The truths revealed in Romans 13 and elsewhere about how Christians relate to civil governments applied to Rome when Paul wrote and all civil governments in history. Only Israel was directly established by God and had a binding covenant mediated through Moses who God chose and appointed. America has neither a Moses nor a binding covenant. We are not the new Israel and never have been. The moral laws of God that do apply are found in the Bible and they apply to all people in all nations.

Cahn falsely claims that any nation can become a covenant nation: "Such a prophetic sign could be given to any nation as long as that nation in some way matched the description or shared the attributes of ancient Israel in 586 BC” (Cahn: 56). Cahn obviously fails to understand what Moses taught in Deuteronomy 32:8, 9 (cited at the beginning of this article). Only Israel was directly under Yahweh, all the other nations are under the "sons of God.” No other nations had an Exodus, a Sinai, or a Moses. All nations are ruled by God’s providence and are under the principalities and powers (‘sons of God’ of Deuteronomy 32:8). America is no exception. Cahn again repeats our national myth: "Those who founded America not only foretold its future blessing””but also gave warning. It was this: If America ever turned away from God, then the same judgments that fell upon ancient Israel would fall upon America” (Cahn: 61). Israel had Moses and the prophets who spoke inerrantly for God. Who speaks bindingly for God beyond Scripture for America? There is no such person.

I reject Cahn’s claim that America is somehow Israel. All the moral laws of God always apply to all peoples in all nations. They are revealed in Scripture. All geo-political entities have boundaries that are drawn out by God in His providence and have leaders that His providence allows. In these important ways America is like all nations. We are not Israel. Furthermore, no man or nation has the power or authority to bind God to a man-made, unilateral covenant. Unilateral covenants in the Bible are established by God, not man. We need to reject the myth that America is a special covenant nation and start thinking Biblically rather than mythologically"

read more at :
http://bereanresearch.org/when-a-false-teacher-calls-america-israel/

TMK wrote to DFella:
Just to clarify, the traditional doctrine of the "imminent return of Christ" holds that nothing further needs to happen; that Jesus could return at any moment and all required prophecies have been fulfilled.

The only reason I mention this is because you said you said you knew that Christ's imminent return is at hand but you also feel that further prophecy must be fulfilled first.

So could pre-trib view, 'the imminent return of Christ' be behind the shemitah? (edit) a better question, does anyone know what he position is or does he have one? (unedit) I don't know, just asking.

To the extent Cahn bases anything on a view that God has planted America as a light to the world in any way similarly to Israel he is extra-biblical, heterodox and wrong. We have been over this. George Washington was not a practicing Christian. There is a paucity of evidence that he actually had the vision that is attributed to him and if he did it was not from God as it speaks in contradiction to the Bible. The vision's messenger said that "the Union" , the American republic, will last until the earth ends. It had people kneeling down before the flag. No sir. Not by a thousand miles can this be true.

God will not have His church live for the U.S. Republic. Never. It is another gospel than the one delivered by the apostles.

Also, from Snopes....

"The tale of "Washington's Vision" was penned by Charles Wesley Alexander (1836-1927), a Philadelphia journalist who published The Soldier's Casket, a periodical for Union veterans of the Civil War. Writing under the pseudonym "Wesley Bradshaw," Alexander authored several fictional "vision" or "dream" pieces featuring historic American figures which were published as broadsheets and in various newspapers during the Civil War and were later offered for sale through advertisements in the pages of The Soldier's Casket, with the artificial separation between the real Charles Alexander and the pseudonymous "Wesley Bradshaw" allowing the former to unashamedly laud the latter's works.

The meaning of "Washington's Vision" was apparent to Alexander's contemporary audience. First published in April 1861 (at the outbreak of the Civil War) and full of references to "Union" and "Republic," this account of Washington's praying "to God in secret for aid and comfort" during the darkest days of the American Revolution and being visited by an angel who revealed to him a vision of the United States victorious was an obvious allegory for Unionists whose America was facing its greatest crisis since the revolution: a civil war pitting one half the country against the other in a struggle that threatened the existence of the Republic.

During the war Alexander penned several similar tracts featuring both historical and contemporary American figures (e.g., Abraham Lincoln, Jefferson Davis, Ulysses S. Grant), including "General McClellan's Dream," a narrative in which the general-in-chief of the Union Army fell asleep at his desk and was awakened by a vision of George Washington, who admonished the general for sleeping at his post and revealed to him secret rebel plans which he urged McClellan to act on quickly in order to prevent Washington, D.C. from falling into Confederate hands. Alexander also published even more fantastical tales, including several about female Union soldiers with supernatural powers and one of a demonic Englishwoman who fought on the side of the Confederacy."

RE: ///This part Cahn is wrong in his book as he sees far too much in the form of a covenant between America and God,..///

Did the idea of America being under a Shemitah judgment originate with Cahn ?, or where there others before him teaching it?

RE: ///This part Cahn is wrong in his book as he sees far too much in the form of a covenant between America and God,..///

Proudpapa asked: Did the idea of America being under a Shemitah judgment originate with Cahn ?, or where there others before him teaching it?
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Good question!!!

Marc mc, I love the picnic analogy. We should prepare and not fear. You and I will disagree about America but we should ready ourselves. The bride, we are taught, makes herself ready. We remain in an era where God is actively converting people and baptizing them in the Holy Spirit. Let us walk worthy to the vocation wherein we are called.

RE: ///This year is a Shemitah year on the Jewish calendar period.///

Did anyone before Cahn teach that the Shemitah effects nations outside of Israel in the Dispensation that we are now living in ?

Marc mc, Did you hold to the position that you are currently proposing before reading Jonathan Cahn ?

I think that if you spent a little time looking at the financial cycles in Europe and America you will quickly discover that the powers in the finacial realm which have a large Jewish membership completely understand the Shemitah and use it like clockwork..

That may very well be, and that alone answers alot!
(The economy and markets run on speculation.)

But it does not add validity to Cahn's interpretation of Scripture that the Shemitah effects nations outside of Israel in the Dispensation that we are now living in ?

Did any (Christian) before Cahn teach that the Shemitah effects nations outside of Israel in the Dispensation that we are now living in ?

I did not know or understand the Shemitah until Cahn's book. I had heard several teachings about it in connection with Jewish feast days and holy days. When I did hear it taught it was always in a positive way in connection to the idea of jubilee..

Thank you for your honesty.

Let's say the Shemitah is precisely why an economic earthquake....tremor or magnitude 10 .... occurs in September.

What does this mean? Other than sayimg we see a cycle at work and preparing for that, what is the kingdom implication?

Proudpapa
I think what your at odds with is something I touched on briefly in another post. .

What I am trying to figure out is the answer to the question that you have continued to side step :

Did any (Christian) before Cahn teach that the Shemitah effects nations outside of Israel in the Dispensation that we are now living in ?

add:
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The good news is we will know for sure if it's true in about 6 weeks..

Cahn is not giving that specific of a timeline:

"Whether it comes in this time parameter of the Shemitah or the year following or not, I believe a great shaking is going to come to this land and to the world...." - Cahn

Hi Mark,

Can you elaborate on what you are referring to in your post to Proudpapa?

"I think what your at odds with is something I touched on briefly in another post.

"The Laws of God you see in the Old Testement did not start with the Jews. They are Gods principles woven into the fabric of creation. What God did was tell the Jews what they were and how they work."

It appears by your choice of words that you anticipate this is hard to receive. Can you elaborate on why for us?

makrothumia

I have not sidestepped your question. I don't know if any other Christians taught about the Shemitah.

thank you.

Would God not warn His children of something of the magnitude that Cahn speaks of? If I hear a stranger on the street yell "look out" I'm going to duck. If a Christian writes a book that documents a 7 year financial disaster and that 7 year cycle is due a few months away is it wrong to take precautions that will have zero impact if nothing happens.

Something does not feel right to me,. And I become very sceptical :
When it comes to believing that Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has been given special illumination of Scriptures.
(apparently an understanding never held by any Christian Previous to Cahn)

And He goes about spreading this special illumination that he has been given, by writing books that makes the New York Times bestseller list for 100 weeks and sells 2 million copies.
Along with that, what I find as a really disturbing issue is that to help promote his books he goes on shows like Jim Baker, Binny Hinn and Pat Robertson.

Even if we do see a Market collapse in the next 3 years which is very likely, since it is way over inflated.
I will still be very Sceptical of Cahn.

What prompted my earlier comments was proud papas seeming insistence on strict dispensational divisions..

The dispensational divide that I am referring to is the Biblical paradigm shift that took place between the old and new covenants

Gal 4 10-11
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain

add edit reword :Marc mc Are you advocating a Hebrew Roots Movement type of theology ?

I had to look that movement up.
So no..

Do you believe that Christians should observe the Torah or/and the festivals?

My overall go to book is My Utmost for His Highest by Oswald Chambers.

For eschatology its Revelation: Four Views by Steve Gregg.

Message From Jonathan Cahn - August 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgYZlPAJHv0

Brother Mike thanks for sharing this.
Perhaps this will help to clarify the questions raised here.

I just found out that an asteroid is going to devastate the planet on 9/25/15 when it strikes the ocean near Puerto Rico.

Maybe that will be a birth pang.

Good ol' KJV.

Hey Marc- I think part of the problem is figuring out where to draw the line.

Jesus said not to worry- He even said not to worry about food and what to wear.

It is easy not to worry if you have 5 years of non perishable canned goods and numerous gold bars and 100000 in cash stockpiled, along with hundreds of gallons of fuel and 20 cords of firewood and an arsenal of various weapons.

But if I panic and start stockpiling these items am I fearing or just using common sense?

Even if we DO all this stockpiling Jesus would require us to give it away to our neighbors (love thy neighbor as you love yourself).

With all respect, I find two things pertinent:

1. Preparation makes sense for the short run.
2. Long run, I don't believe we can hoard enough ammo to forestall an invasion of our homesteads. We can only hold two firearms at a time, tops. If someone wants to overtake you from the big G, they are going to succeed.

I do not think it is wrong to predetermine to yield to the powers that be in the spirit of Jesus and the model of Paul. I also do not think it wrong to sneak out by a basket or whatever to get away and get loved ones away from immediate harm. I think, or I know, the Holy Spirit will positively and unquestionably lead us in these things IF .... IF we seek Him diligently.

by dolfan

With all respect, I find two things periment:

1. Preparation makes sense for the short run.
2. Long run, I don't believe we can hoard enough ammo to forestall an invasion of our homesteads. We can only hold two firearms at a time, tops. If someone wants to overtake you from the big G, they are going to succeed.

I do not think it is wrong to predetermine to yield to the powers that be in the spirit of Jesus and the model of Paul. I also do not think it wrong to sneak out by a basket or whatever to get away and get loved ones away from immediate harm. I think, or I know, the Holy Spirit will positively and unquestionably lead us in these things IF .... IF we seek Him diligently.

My post regarding fear and stockpiling was purposefully exaggerated. I thought that was obvious but I guess not.

My point is that stockpiling reflects a "me me me" mindset when Jesus commands a "they they they" mindset. So if a Christian stockpiles so he can share, I guess it's ok.

I would like to ask a question. I have been hearing alot about Jade Helm, CERN (super demonic btw), a meteor, Shemitah, the Pope visiting in September, and the recent stock market crash. There is much fear associated with these events.

The original question is how are these things different or related to Y2K.

I am trusting that the Lord through His Holy Spirit will not let us be caught unaware or unprepared. When Y2K was happening there was much fear and stockpiling surrounding that event yet I was at peace.

There are many events in the bible where God supernaturally provided for His people and there are events where some preparation and forethought were in order.

Todd made a point the Lord quickened to me during Y2K. If things go south in a hurry and I owned a Walmart store and my neighbor comes and asks for food, water, and supplies, I cannot say no. Even if I did, they would still break in and take what they wanted anyway.

I saw a couple episodes only for a few minutes about a show called Dooms Day Preppers. These people are building under ground bunkers that are booby trapped, stocked with food, guns, and ammo. If anyone tries to break in these bunkers they are going to be killed.

Is there something wrong with me if I am not in fear of the above mentioned events? I am totally serious, I am not bragging or trying to be foolish.

I am continuing to learn to rely on the Holy Spirit to be my guide and I do not have any peace in trying to figure this all out for myself.

God gave Noah 120 years to prepare. If we need to prepare He will tell us to prepare, won't He?

Don't get me wrong here either. I know time is running VERY short and I know there is a groaning in creation and within my spirit for the Lords return. I just don't think a major disaster is coming in the next 35 days that is going to require me going to Costco and buying a year or 7 years supply of food. If and when I am told to, I have way to many family, friends, and if I truly fulfill the law of Christ, enemies who are going to come knocking on my door for food and water

The only preparing I am currently involved in is much prayer and prayer in the Spirit and the only fear I am experiencing is the condition of my loved ones and friends whose hearts are not yet right.

The other thing I would also like to add that when such cataclysmic events do happen it is going to drive/force people to run either to the Lord or from the Lord. Many are going to be filled with the Holy Spirit and many are going to sell their souls for a morsel of bread.

Luke 21:34-36 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. (35) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. (36) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

So again, Am I wrong for feeling this way or is God telling you to prepare and stockpile?

I saw a show with Jim Baker recently and he was selling food for up to 7 years supply. It reminded me of a guy whose first name was Stan something or other who was doing the same thing during Y2K. He was also selling these super thermal under ware for the winter. Does anyone remember this guy? He had dark brown hair and a mustache and he has gone awol/underground.

One final point, I leave for the Florida Keys on September 25th. The comet that is supposedly coming is set to hit Puerto Rico on that day which means no more Florida Keys if a Tsunami hits. The Lord has not told me to not go on vacation. If a Tsunami does hit, I am ready, but my wife is not, please pray for her, her name is Cindy.

marcmc,
Add: (could we please) keep the national pride and predjudism out of this discussion.

RE:///As for the discussion about the book The Shemitah it's already settled that Cahn was right. The only question at this point is if yesterday was its beginning or end.///

Yesterday may have been the massive shaking that Cahn has been predicting and warning about?

I heard about China on the way to work Monday morning listening to NPR. It didn't seem a big deal and I don't get cable so it's just come to my attention again on here. Does it look like something China could be doing themselves? To inflict damage on the US intentionally? I was wondering about that.

Back to Shemitah... This is really going to be interesting getting on the other side of this Shemitah thing in 2016.

Question 1: When will we know the Shemitah is past? In 2015 or 16?

I think it's going to be interesting b/c one of two things (in my estimation) is going to happen, he is right or he will be explaining away why he wasn't right. Right? :)

Question 2: Is there a 3rd or 4th option I'm not seeing?

Just wondering...

RE: ///What has happened so far in the market is really not that bad, relatively speaking. This action would have to be sustained for a longer period.///

This is very true,

It is very normal and very expected,
The market has been on a straight up streak for several years now.
We have been very aware that stocks are way over priced and that a correction has been on the way.

When I was in my teens and early 20s I reliezed that the market often dropped around Sept-Oct, as I have not kept up with it in several years.
I read that this drop has been gradually moving more towards aug. as we are seeing now.

A further drop is really needed, stocks are still way over priced and it is questionable if what we have seen thus far will even prevent the fed from raising interest rates.

We could see a dip simmilar to those in the past: 08, 01, 87 what have you. and it would virtually affect very little.

It was the housing bust that effected the economy in 08 not the stock market dip. (the dip was an effect not a cause)

Cahn has been predicting or Prophesying a great shaking because of the sins of the US.

A repeat of anything less than the great depression will not fit the mold.

It will be interesting to watch.

If we do see a shaking as Cahn has been Prophesying : $10,000 dollars and 2 months supplies will do very little.

If it does come to pass, I wounder if it will be used to implement a new global monetary system

RE: ///I notice you said that you saw a pattern in your 20's. I have a Christian friend that is a millionaire in the liquid sense ( The Lord has led him for gains and then told him where to send it). He has been in the market for years and never saw an such pattern. I think you should have followed through with what you saw if you know what I mean. Wink!///

I did notice it. I never read anything that said it, but I did notice the trend.

Here is an artical from 2011 :

"Investors may be itching to pull the trigger and sell their stocks, but perhaps people can take comfort in knowing that, historically, September is always the market’s worst month.

According to Marketwatch, on average the Dow Jones industrial index falls about 1.13% in September. Since 1971, the Nasdaq has fallen an average of 1.02% during the month, while since 1950, the S&P 500 has dropped an average of 0.69% in September.

As of today, though, this month has been a lot worse than the average. The S&P 500 has fallen about 7%; the DJIA is down 7.4%; Nasdaq is down 4.29%, while the S&P/TSX has dropped the most””a whopping 9.4%.

Some people believe that September is the worst month for two reasons: people come back from vacation and start trading again, and many portfolio managers sell out of losing positions because their fund companies report year ends that month."

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/september-stock-market-slump/

RE: ///94 million Americans out of work///

I could not find a worker all year, Had way more than enough work, could have mabe hired 2 or 3.

No body wanted to work, no one had the skills or the desire to stick it out long enough to get the skills.

North Dakota is slowing down now with Oil at under 39 dollars a barrel but less than 2 years ago,
A friend of mine went there, he had no contacts no experience, and within 2 days got a job making over a 100,000 a year.

I think the big difference is the tie in with the Blood Moons. Things are going to happen but the immediate time line in this Sept may not be right , however as a country we are on countdown, that said I do not believe there is anything to fear, The Lord has always had a plan of provision and protection for His children. I do believe we will have some major hurdles to over come as a country and perhaps will not be able to rise again as an entire nation..there comes a point when God releases nations to their own devices and destruction, understand I do not at all confuse America with Christianity, the two are vastly different. It's hard to imagine that a great nation called Babylon in Revelation could touch the whole world with its delicacies and in one day fall to utter destruction. So much so that the entire world morns her down fall. No matter what one thinks of these modern day prophets trumpeting across the land, one thing is certain, it might be wise to prepare and set our homes in order because the landscape in America is certain to change fast and most , even the liberals, will not be at all happy with the results.

I want to share a true story by someone I believe on SI years ago (not sure). He said that he was from Russia and after the wall had come down he would send money to his mother and gifts, like a wonderful warm coat to wear but she would have none of it. She finally told him to stop sending anything because the gangs in the neighborhood would take notice and ransack her apt looking for 'American' things and money because they did that to other people. She had to live the way she always did or they would come in and take everything. True story.

by marcmc
Funny you should say that, my wife is extremely devout and a sensitivity to the Spirit like few I have met said to me last night out of the blue, " I think we should double what we have.

Say you do double it and the world falls out from underneath us...

If it truly will be as bad as Cahn says, how far will doubling your supply get you?

Now, if people are hungry and they smell cooked food from your house, what do you think they will do? How long do you think you will keep your food?

If you don't cook and they are hungry and losing weight but your weight hasn't changed, what do you think they will do?

Finally, are you doubling your food supply to help others? Or will you turn a hungry family away?

Don't you think that hungry family will keep coming back and bringing others?

Marc, I'm not trying to rain on your parade but how will you prepare for the worst of times while everyone might be starving around you?

God bless,
Lisa

No matter what one thinks of these modern day prophets trumpeting across the land, one thing is certain, it might be wise to prepare and set our homes in order because the landscape in America is certain to change fast and most , even the liberals, will not be at all happy with the results.

Well said. You know, if you are listening to the voice of the Spirit these days you don't need books about shemitah's and blood-red moons to know that He is preparing His people for difficult times and yet glorious times if we will yield fully to Him.

Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward. Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. (Isaiah 58:8-11)

BTW Dohzman, good to see you post here again.

In Christ,

When I say home I mean both, home as in our heart or spiritual focus and condition, and home as in family and the preparedness to be ready to endure hardship as a family, immediate (children...even though all but 2 have flown the coop:)) extended as in in laws/out laws and church family...setting the table as it were that says in community we will all make it together, none lost. As to practical preparations like food and water storage? I think it wise to work toward at least 30 days and than be willing to share for the sake of Christ. I have always believed that at some point the local fellowships would need to band together in this country in order to make it (sharing in food and helps), much like they do over in central Africa among the poorer Christian communities.

Not sure if that answers your question, I hope it clarifies my comments for you. God Bless

:)

Hi Carmine,

I am unable to download the link, would you mind to give a brief summary of the contents ?

my computer can not download https only http sites

thank you,

If I get to another computer sometime, I will have to look at the link

by DougRenz
I was just introduced to Jonathan Cahn's Shemitah video and teachings just a few weeks ago...

I can remember 15-17 years ago the Y2K fear of "prepare" for the end of the world happening and it's happening again, where he predicts that the end of the world is going to happen this Sept 2015 (or around that date).

Tonight I went to a Judaism website because I asked google 'when is shemitah supposed to happen' and found the site.

I was under the impression that shemitah was like a week or a month but this site says that shemitah is a YEAR.

//////////////
The last shemittah year was Jewish year 5768 (13 Sept 2007 - 29 Sept 2008)

The next few are:

5775 (25 Sept 2014 - 13 Sept 2015)
5782 (7 Sept 2021 - 25 Sept 2022)
5789 (21 Sept 2028 - 9 Sept 2029)
//////////////

In Jewish terms, technically, it's already been happening for a year and will be ending tomorrow?

Where did Cahn come up with till the end of September?

Just wondering since nothing has happened.

Come on folks this guy is a huckster, it's all about money because of book sales..

Shemitah is simply the sabbath year - what has the sabbath year got to do with a stock market crash?

by Rev__Enue on 2015/9/8 21:40:46

Here is the evidence that verifys that Mr Cahn is simply making things up regarding the shemitah .

This study was done by a Christian Professor, Dr.Adrian Zenz a lecturer in empirical research methods at the European School of Culture and Theology, Korntal, Germany.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tl40tsanm6i5aaf/Cahn%20shemitah%20research%20report.pdf?dl=0

by proudpapa
I am unable to download the link, would you mind to give a brief summary of the contents ?

If you can't, here's a free download
http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp

Marc we can all see that the Global economy is heading for a perfect storm.... Go onto youtube you find all manner of people saying it.

1. The hard landing of the Chinese, it was bound to come eventually - and it now appears to be here, although the Chinese government is still denying it.

2 The less widely anticipated, credit crunch that is sabotaging economic growth in almost all the developing countries. In many cases their currencies have fallen to historic lows against the dollar, making it harder for them to repay the dollars they borrowed. Moreover, it’s getting harder for them to earn dollars from their exports because commodity prices have collapsed.

3. The third crisis is looming in the developed economies of Europe, North America and Japan, which can see another recession looming on the horizon before they have even fully recovered from the effects of the banking crash of 2007-2008. And it’s hard to pull out of a new recession when your interest rates are still down near zero because of the last one.

However it's the never ending supply of books written by Mr Jonathan Cahn at $10 a book that causes me to call him a huckster - he is just following in the long line of people who say the represent God but seem to focus on book sales, book sales, book sales..

marcmc,

I don’t know enough to even be considered a naysayer of Cahn! But go ahead cut my ear off like Peter did to the guard, defend your investments and your man!! LOL

You have a great day!
Lisa

This subject is not "JUST" the 7 year celebration but the special circumstances that surround this one which is the 4 Blood Moons attached to it co-in siding with the Hebrew Festivals all OT Bible Based. It will not happen again for like 600 years, each time something major happened like the 7 day war or Jerusalem becoming the capitol city... things like that, super major world changing events. So as I understand this (and my knowledge is very very limited, sorry I do not follow any of these guys, don't read their books and have little patience when it comes to listening to them in any form or media), this Specific One is way different than the regular one because it is tied into the appearance of the 4 blood moons and the timing of the whole thing. I like to follow the Pro 27:12
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A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished.

Even the late David Wilkerson wrote a book about having at least a 60 day store set back in an except from his book "God's Plan to Protect His People in the Coming Depression."

I would encourage everyone to just check things out themselves, Like Greece, what would happen if that happened here? Do you know how much money you can take out of your local bank today? Most of you would be surprised to find out that it is way less than you might imagine. What if... as I post that what if and I was going to give some examples but felt a check here so I will not, I felt like some would read them and react in fear or be bound by fear, so that said, the same God of Elijah can keep His dear children feed for the journey ahead and the work He has prepared for them individually to do.

Here are a couple of responses from the author (Dr. Adrian Zenz) of "An Empirical, Statistical and Exegetical Evaluation of the Shemitah Effect Suggested by Jonathan Cahn” that Rev_Enue posted.....

*** Cahn uses economic facts to support his theory. I verify these fact claims, not more or less. The Elul 29 crashes of 2001 and 2008 were stunning acts of God. The wider claim of Shemitah cycles in past history cannot be substantiated by the facts.***

***Cahn has a valid prophetic message for 9/11 meaning and the Elul 29, 2008 crash. But the Shemitah cycle claims for the past 100 or 50 years are not upheld by the data. Cahn seemed so inspired by the 2001/08 timings that he sought to read Shemitah effects into economic history. This is likely beyond the original revelation that God gave him. We humans tend to do that in our passion and excitement. He did not mean to deceive willfully in my view. But he should have been more careful, or at least assembled a team of researchers and experts to investigate his theory before widely publishing it. ***

Colossians 2:16-17 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

"God is not going to hide His divine truth behind the cover of a bestseller."

Love that quote.

I never really thought about this but now I am:

If I thought I had access to some "secret knowledge" that would be of vital importance for my Christian brothers and sisters to know- info that would possibly save their lives or their finances, would it be right for me to profit off of this information by selling books, or should I just publish freely?

Can you imagine if Paul wanted to charge the church in Rome for the letter he wrote to them?

Now obviously many books are not of such "earth shattering" importance and I guess in principle I am not opposed to Christian writers making money off books they may write.

But if we are taking about end of the world type stuff, the idea of profiting off of disclosing your "secrets" (eg, Four Blood Moons, the harbinger, etc) I am not so sure.

Just some musings.

I believe its the 28 of Sept according to the Jewish Calendar, but God has his time table, I think it unwise to set a specific date .. An example would be the release of the captives from Babylon after Daniel read from Jeremiah that days (years) of captivity had been accomplished. We know that historically it did not happen to the exact day, but it did happen. On a personal note I hope it is all wrong and I can live out my days here in peace and go to be with the Lord after a long life. Unfortunately that will not be the case. How do I know with certainty? I am seeing things happen, specific things that I saw from the Lord as a babe in Christ 30 plus years ago, happening now, things that after 10 plus years I just wrote off as pizza. You need to know that I do not walk in FEAR over these things and I do not stop planning my weeks ahead for work or other plans, but I do keep my attention fixed on Jesus conscientiously fixed daily as one who is listening for His voice with an expectation on hearing Him in His Word, or other various ways but in the end all things filtered through the BIBLE.

Now the video was nice I guess but most of America is really missing it even the US military is getting ready
http://allnewspipeline.com/Jade_Helm_2015.php
for the times the SECULAR Government knows will be an eventuality. So it will happen, I would say it is a good time to get ready and hopefully in the next 12 months nothing happens and life as we know it will just keeps on rolling in a status quo type of way in life.

If people want to make lite of this festival and the blood moons, that s ok, those things were for Israel. I keep coming back to Jesus Statement about the end times, "Remember Lot s wife" . She saw the angels and experienced the deliverance from Sodom only to be judged later several miles away. I don't want to have a heart so full of this world and this life that I miss Jesus, so busy that I can not hear that trumpet blast....pre-mid-post I do not care. It is a good time to prepare physically and with all the preparations to set the Heart in order too.

Brother D. Miller,

Your words find an agreement in me, as there are obviously big changes and troubles ahead. Wether it all ends later this month, idk but I doubt it- rather it would seem to be the beginning of sorrows with great and terrible things to follow. Having said this, I like you do not walk in fear but a readiness and have felt myself having to resist distractions/temptations more than usual. Very recently I've felt pressed by the Lord to "settle my accounts" in that there have been loose ends in relationships that I must address in order to truly have a clean heart/conscience before Him. Ha! When you ask the Lord to search out your heart and mean it... Get ready!
He loves us so much that He doesn't want anything between Himself and His children save Christ Himself, and while it's scary for me to begin to settle these accounts as it were, as I've stepped out in hope He has met me there with the faith to believe and act in obedience to what He has called me to do. Humbling~

On a dif note, one thing that is concerning is the LHC/CERN.
Particle and astro physics have been a fav source of study since my youth and while I only have at best a lay understanding of what they're doing it is and should be something we as believers are aware of at least in implication. It would be the equivalent of ignoring the Tower of Babel attempting to be constructed, the implications of which affected everyone even those who had no part in it. So too will it be with the LHC, wether you like it, believe it or not the world will forever be changed on the 23rd of this month and from all appearances God is going to allow it. Honestly I don't believe it to be Holy Spirit led/inspired but in time we shall see the effects of it.

Fletcher-

What is going to happen on 9/23, other than the autumnal equinox?

Never mind- did some checking-

- the Hoover dam is going to collapse
- a comet (that apparently no amateur astronomer can see) is going to strike the earth, causing an extinction level event
- per your post the hadron collider is going to create a black hole that will swallow up the earth, or open a portal to another dimension from which lady-haired locusts will escape.
- the antichrist will take charge.

Whoa. Where is the rapture when you need it.

Brother Todd,
May I inquire of you,...did the Holy Spirit give you those words to reply to my post?
Were you acting in obedience when you say such things?
Will you please indulge me with your reply?

As to your question of what will change,.... Everything.
I say this not to cause alarm so much as awareness. I'm not sure what things you've spent your time viewing that you made mention of in your second reply, however much disinformation there is that doesn't in anyway discount the reality humanity and by effect the Church faces.
To put it as simply as possible;
When we became capable of harnessing and containing electrons we as an effect of that now have and enjoy the benefit of electronics which make this communique possible. In the same way what is being harnessed/contained by CERN in the LHC will do much the same but on a exponentially more pervasive scale. Just like with electronics, life as we knew it changed forever so to will it change again, the birth of which is on the 23rd of this month.

I hope this helps to clarify-

Fletcher-

There is much conspiracy theory speculation about 9/23, including all the things I mentioned (I added the locust part but someone has probably made the argument that the LHC will open the bottomless pit mentioned in Rev.

To be quite honest, I have no idea what you are talking about because you are not speaking plainly. What exactly do you think will happen with the LHC on 9/23? Don't talk in vagaries, just plainly say it.

I am aware of the potential issues with the LHC. Stories have been written about such experiments gone bad(eg, The Mist by Stephen King.

But I am curious about what YOU think will happen since you brought it up.

Brother Todd,

Well that's the question no one can really answer at this point in a precise manner as with the electron analogy, we couldn't foresee the reality of electronics as a absolute until we had them. Having said this, because we have the historic model of change relative to the discovery, the harnessing of anti-matter is arguably equivalent to the harnessing of fire. If they are successful, and since they've already experienced success in small measures(grams) and have every expectation of pounds being harnessed, the degree of change that will be experienced is simply not quantifiable by anyone anywhere. I mean this is the biggest experiment in the largest machine, using and producing the most energy that humans have ever been directly responsible for and we have every reason to believe that the effects of which will be proportionate, meaning life as we know it is about to be irrevocably changed.
Before I post this, I already know this will not satisfy you,... tho I don't feel led to speculate too far beyond applying the historic model of development being applied here, which for me is not unreasonable.

It will not be long to wait till we have at least an idea of what's to come, wether better or worse.

That is actually quite helpful.

You seem to be speaking of a great increase in knowledge that may have a significant impact on our technologies- perhaps even in a good way.

But there is risk in the experiments. How great these risks actually are are beyond my pay grade to understand.

I am very interested in quantum theory and string theory and all that stuff but only on a superficial level because unfortunately I can't grasp the math, etc. wish I could.

I don't think the Bible supports the earth getting swallowed by a black hole but there may be room in scripture for opening of another dimension, but what that exactly means I have no idea.

Could this be used to try to modify the eco systems? Is that why they have been working on it or was it to develop an energy source that they hope to eventually market?

Ha! Well from my understanding (which is of the nanoparticle size;) this will be a push forward far beyond anything before save that of harnessing fire itself. That which is produced will itself feed/fuel the development at a pace that will almost certainly outpace our understanding of its applications, while at the same time much like fire seed other new and exotic discoveries. I mean the scientists don't call it the God particle lightly. (Hence the Tower of Babel reference)

What was 20 yrs ago only found in sci-fi novels and films will almost assuredly become reality in our life times, if God permits. Which is both extremely exciting and concerning as historically we have weaponized most every new discovery early on in its development and have no reason to assume this would be any different.

However the contrast, of my own personal experience of growing up in rural Alabama will "party lines" where an entire community was on one phone line and if weather permitted 3 channels on the box to the prospects of humanity sliding thru the universe at warp speed,... is not lost on me.

There is just sooo much to what our God has created and we are probably about to get a significant portion opened up to us beyond what we have ever imagined. I pray that we don't lose sight of the One who holds it all in His hands.

If you haven't studied this out yet you'll certainly enjoy it and it explains allot about what's on the table at CERN

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

As long as I get a jet pack out of the deal I'm ok with it.

Brother D. Miller

Yes that is one potential application tho it would seem to be a small one considering what this stuff is,... or isn't. Anti-matter is a difficult thing to explain since it's not in essence a thing at all but the antithesis of all things. By nature its inherently completely unstable and chaotic just as matter itself is stable and organized. The easiest way to explain it that I'm aware of is the "glue" analogy, which posits that anti-matter is the very thing that binds everything that is a thing together, hence the "glue" analogy. Tho this glue is not in a post bonded state but rather it's an internal absence or vacuum that exerts a massive gravitational effect as a constant. They can't actually see it, but can see the effects of it and therefore can prescribe theretical models such as in the link I posted known as the standard model or Higgs (named after the scientist who proposed it). What's interesting is the Bible states clearly that it's the Word itself/Himself that holds everything together hence the term "God particle" tho Higgs did not at all like that designation.
This all gets very thick very quick as its theretical physics but considering what they've already done it's hardly theretical anymore.
I mean 11 mins after the initial collisions back in March there was a massive earthquake in Nepal that ironically destroyed the ancient temple of Shiva (Hindu god of destruction) which just happens to be the "mascot" of CERN.... coincidence??? The Intranet was created by CERN years ago so that could instantly transmit their findings from lab to lab and as a byproduct we (the consumer) got the Internet which again changed life as we know it. So if just one small aspect of the infrastructure of this superstructure changed the world forever, just imagine what the scale of change will be to the actual purpose of CERN and the LHC being realized in 8 days will be going forward!!!
Again while I'm not an alarmist, I doubt this is Holy Spirit driven in any way but our God can use that which is intended for evil to the good as ALL the earth and its fullness is His+

Fletcher- one thing.

Where do you get the 9/23 date for something happening with the LHC?

I did a broad Google search and couldn't find anything specific to that date about the LHC on legitimate news sites.

Brother Todd,

That's when the primary collisions that the current experiments are scheduled to take place. It takes (as you probably know) several months of sequential revolutions to get the particles up to speed (99% of light speed) before the "Big Bang" can be recreated. This was reported in legitimate scientific journals/news reports earlier this year after the shutdown to recalibrate the LHC to run at this level. If my memory serves me, it was in March of this year that the current operations/collisions began. Tho I'm about to begin receiving clients, I do have a break from work today and will do my best to locate and provide.

Interestingly when I input 9/23/2015 into my search bar, it takes me directly to CERN. I have requested some associates to also try this with the same results, tho it is my understanding that for some reason unknown to me that this search does not render the same results in everyone's browser,... possibly due to the algorithms used by search engines that tailor searches based on search history.

Thanks Fletcher.

A jet pack would be pretty cool:)

Brother Todd,

After a brief search I was unable to obtain any definitive scheduling for the next series of collisions, tho apparently they had to shut it down do to cooling issues so idk if that will alter the original schedule as now the info regarding the next series is left in a somewhat ambiguous state....

Interestingly now when I search 9/23/2015 in my browser it no longer directs me to CERN's website but rather pulls up all sorts of conspiracy hits, which is strange because less than 10 days ago I tried it again and it took me directly to CERN, so again idk...

Sorry I was unable to obtain them

9/23 is definitely a hot date on conspiracy sites.

I was surprised about the Hoover dam one. And I have no idea why think it will collapse, unless the rogue comet is going to hit it.

Brother Todd,

Ok after a few clicks I was able to find that (for some reason) now in order to access the current collision schedules one would need to log in at the CERN website.

You could try to do this tho I'm not sure what would be required (if anything) to constitute eligibility.

This is what we where discussing 2 years ago

Did Jonathan Cahn predict the ending of the world two years ago? IF he did this prediction should discredit him as being a true prophet sent from God. I am familiar with his book the "Harbinger" - someone gave me a copy but could not get enthused about it, actually, I considered it boring. Sorry.

Sandra

RE : /// Did Jonathan Cahn predict the ending of the world two years ago? IF he did this prediction should discredit him as being a true prophet sent from God. ///

No he did not predict the end of the world, I understood that he was predicting an economic/stock market collapse or some other large global shaking.