Preparing the heart for the war to come

Hi All

Over the last 3 months my study and attention has been on the gay marriage rulings in America and the devastation this will bring our different nations. To my surprise their has been at least 4 prominent Dr's in the media standing up for the principles of Christ in America. These men are devoted to the Lord, able to be logical in debates with Love but are firm in their stance.

Watching these men standup and be counted really blessed my heart and reassured me that God is in control and that no matter how well the enemy thinks he is winning, God has his people in all areas of our society spreading the light of the gospel. The biggest thing that God has been preparing me for is that Christian's will be persecuted in all aspects of ministry. those with solid foundations in scripture will be able to stand where as those that have some weaker foundations in Christ will be in dread when their faith is put to the test.

This has helped me to really look at all aspects of thoughts and testing every thought that i have against the scriptures and would it stand during a fiery trial.

I, too, was encouraged. I think I know, but which 4 prominent doctors??

Hi Mama27

Dr Ben Carson
Dr Conway
these 2 are the most spoken at the moment. the other 2 i will post up when i find them again. I'm not very good at remembering names. i will post them up when they come up again. :)

Dr Ben Carson is for eliminating the religious exemptions for vaccinations.

Christians should not support any politician whom is openly for eliminating any already established religious exemption.

By eliminating the religious exemption on vaccines the legislative road will already be paved for a manditory chip implant.

One should also research Carson with the issue of fetal tissue research.
add:
Carson defends his research on aborted fetuses :
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/politics/ben-carson-aborted-fetuses-research/index.html

I would urge believers to be careful about quickly believing the narrative manufactured by the media. They certainly aren't for portraying Christians in a positive, truthful or accurate light. Moreover, the media pundits aren't necessarily tasked with getting people to vote for their favorite candidates if they can simply get people to refrain from voting for the candidates that they oppose.

During college, I listened to a guest lecturer from the Clinton Administration who admitted that their goal in 1992 was not to get Christians to vote for Bill Clinton (because they knew that most would not) but to either get them to vote for Ross Perot or refrain from voting altogether. Thus, they manufactured phony scandals involving President George H. W. Bush and solicited the media's help in "getting the stories out there."

As for vaccinations: I feel very strongly that vaccines work and I reject much of the "natural" or "holistic" health claims against their efficacy or dangers. However, I still think that individuals should have a right to reject them -- even if I think that they are largely incorrect with many of their motives.

If I had to choose between a man like Dr. Ben Carson, an opposing candidate who celebrates abortion, homosexual marriage and all types of immorality legislated upon society or choosing no one (which, by default, favors the immorality-celebrating candidate), I would think that Dr. Carson would make a better chief executive than choosing to not vote and insure the election of the opposition candidate.

Of course, this is only my prayerful and studious opinion.

More Republicans back gay marriage than is commonly believed. It was not so long in the past that over 50 prominent Republicans signed a endorsement of this type of marriage. It's futile at his point to be looking for Republicans to rescue us but I realize we know and believe that.

There is absolutely no difference between Republicans and Democrats, maybe a little theology but the exact same corporations endorse and support both parties. And they've both read "Machiavelli"!!! God is our only hope, not the voting booth.

One more thing, Christians need to get their eyes off of the legalization of gay marriage and it's devastation. That is just a DISTRACTION of the enemy and that distraction leaves God's people in the "poor, poor, pitiful, woo is me, I've tried to serve you God but they won't let me," mentality."

I believe that God is still saying today, "Get up, look to the fields for they are white, ready for a harvest, there is still 7000 that haven't bowed their knees to baal. Are you going to sit here or go find them?"

I personally believe that this will be God's finest hour!

"Did we in our own strength confide,
Our striving would be losing.
Were not the right Man on our side,
The Man of God's own choosing.
Dost ask who that may be?
Christ Jesus, it is He!
Lord Saboath His Name,
And age to age the same.
And He must win the battle."

We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness.... .

There is no deliverer, no advocate, no rescuer among any field of candidates.

Hi All

In Australia we need people to stand up for the Christian view on marriage and Gods Principles which are able to articulate the point well. Being politicians is irrelevant its about Gods word being spoken in the midst of the confusion. In Australia we are told by the media what is right for this country and normally this comes from American celebrities which are already telling us we are in the stone age with our Gay Marriage laws.

Jesus Christ has earned the right for everybody to hear the truth whether they dismiss it or not. I did not find fault in what Dr Carson has said on the issue, not only that he is respected by his peers on an intellectual level so they cant just right him off as an mad man or uneducated man.

On a personally level I believe in Vaccines (but that's not why i liked Dr Ben Carson) we have a very small window of opportunity to speak up in the public forums about Gods principles and airing the Gospel to give people the opportunity to make a choice. I really don't think Satan cares who gets into power he is smarter enough to have all his bases covered. the defining point is are Christians praying for our leaders this is where God wants us to be.

The persecutions of Christians is at the door now which will drive Christianity underground. This isn't a prediction this is a logical reasoning of how events are being played and seen from observation. Christianity is being pushed to conform to peoples ideals today and if it doesn't then it is being classed as hateful against society.

RE: /// On a personally level I believe in Vaccines ///

The issue is not if you believe in vaccines, the issue is that many of us feel that the 'vaccines made using aborted fetal cell lines, which are contaminated with aborted fetal cell DNA and a retrovirus' are unethical and that we should (continue) to have a religious excemption.

The religious right is very very powerful in the US, the likely hood that they are going to come under any serious persecution outside of a foreign take over in the near future is highly unlikely.
Church history testifies that the religious mainstream is often times the persecutor.
If Ben Carson became President and he eliminated the religious excemption to vaccines the door of persecution will be opened on many of us Christians. , furthermore a catch 21 senerio will be in place legislatively that will pave the way for mandated chip that you will not be able to buy or sell without.

"And ultimately, and we all know this!" :

"What if tomorrow morning you got the daily newspaper and on the front page of the daily newspaper you saw these words written across there: "cashless society, all peoples have two months to make the transition to cashless society".
Oh, it would be presented so beautifuly , so nicely and so wonderfully and inviting to all of us:
'That its so much easer to deal with all the terrorist and all of those things, that if we just went with a cashless society, and you do not need a credit card anymore. And all you need to do is, get a little mark in your wrist in your hand and maybe one on your forehead and everything is going to be alright and you got two months to transist into this cashless society'." (to refuse that mark will be Gelassenheit) ”” Denny Kenaston

(Early Anabaptism) Gelassenheit””Complete Surrender
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=17838

"And ultimately, and we all know this, the mark of the beast will come, and you will not be able to buy or sell without it. Which means we will all come to poverty if not starvation. We need to change our mind about materilism ..." - Denny Kenaston

(Early Anabaptism) The Approaching Wave of Persecution
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=17842

New World Monetary System :
" ..He will no doubt institute a worldwide "walking credit card " system. Invisible numbers will be implanted on the forehead or forearm, and only photoscope scanners will be able to detect the numbers. The numbers could assigned in three stacks of six digits each. This "mark" would be required by all and no one could buy or sell without this invisibly tattooed number" - David Wilkerson phophetic vision from 1973 p.22

"... in an age when the only other option is to wear the mark of the Beast.
For those unable to buy or sell in the global world economy, Christian community of a creative, productive, life-sustaining kind, however much dreaded by many till now, will prove one of the few, viable alternatives for sanctity and life. For those sons and daughters who radically separate themselves, not to so much as even touch the unclean thing, the love of the Father, the actuality of God as Father, known by few, will become a sustaining power against insecurity or falling in all the tremulous pressures of the end (2 Corinthians 6:18).
" - Art Katz

wake up, wake up Church or you are going to miss the persecution.

Hi Proudpapa

I believe that no matter how much information and research that i provide to you in this post about the points you have raised will change your mind or will help us to grow spiritually. There has been a forum post about vaccines and the mark of the beast previously and did it change people stand points. I am not a lawyer who needs to win in these subject matters, i am a servant of the God most High because of our precious Lord savior who suffered for me on the cross.

It saddens me that at some point sermon index changed into this legalistic breeding ground and i no longer see any spiritual growth in commenting in the forums as it is more damaging to open up in truth then to remain silent in the background. I would caution any new christian from commenting in the forums due to the judgements that they will endure without the covering of Grace.

PP-

I literally have not used cash in about 2 weeks.

Do you really think paper money is the issue?

The interpretation of what the mark of the beast is has been around for a long time and i no longer hold to the main stream view for the below reason.

1. when i was hooked into this about 20 years ago, many christian teachers had very logical arguments in their explanations on what the mark is and what it looks like but their was no unity amongst these teachings. not only that many cults also held the same view. How can these cults who deny Christs authority have the same revelation? This is because scripture is a stumbling block to theologians and a corner stone to spirit filled believers.

Paul talks about the Marks of Christ which are physical and spiritual this is the same for the marks for the beast. You can tell who a christian is by their marks. self-sacrificing for the gospel of Christ, the mark of the beast just means man (6), man (6), man(6) meaning Man believing he is God. You can tell what your marks are by looking back at your life and see who you have suffered for, yourself or Christ

A christian man standing up in the media today for the Gospel of Christ is ridiculed, verbally abused taunted, slandered and rejected by his peers. the only reason you would do this is because he believes in Christ. Many politicians will not stand up against gay marriage because of the onslaught it will bring to them and their political party meaning this is for their own selves and not Christ.

If we are to look at the vaccine issue then we must look at it all in its entirety. Yes the vaccine was created by cells of aborted babies in the 1950's as it is the only way they could grow the virus to create the vaccine. I don't like the idea but it saved thousands of lives and still does to this day. so if you do not take the vaccine for this reason then you need to also not use other drugs that where also created from aborted baby cells such as various heart pills, arthritis drugs, cancer drugs, some cosmetic products. they have also been used in the development of Nestles, Pepsi, Craft, Cadbury, American all spice.

Then we must also take into account that most medicines and products have been tested on 100's of thousands of animals in the most cruelest torture. even when dr's where looking for cures with cancer they let cancer patients die so they could test what was happening.

All main stream chickens in Australia is sacrificed for Islam and 60% of meat. this is not advertised but this means that without the grace of God my children cannot eat any meats in this country.

These are conscience issues and each as important as the other so if we make the stance in one area such as vaccines then you also need to make the stance in the other areas as well otherwise you will be hypocrite.

to me it brings up the lessons Jesus showed in the bible were he is accused of breaking the law

Math 12:11 "And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

Luke 14:5 "And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

Jesus is pointing out that legalism has no compassion or Grace where as Jesus came to free us from the law through Grace. All people that are truly saved and love the lord with all their heart are my brothers and sisters in Christ and it serves no point to argue these issues as it only calls for division, the reason i say this is because when the holy spirit is working on individuals in a forum all parties, learn and grow in different ways as "Iron Sharpens iron" when this is not the case and people stay firm in their ideas with out growth and are willing to fight tooth and nail to win. the holy spirit is not working in the midst.

The gay Marriage ruling has already set the path against religious freedom and i believe was the pinnacle point to the persecution that is here and the persecution to come. The gay rights have now changed the fundamental part of Christianity, this defiles the true principles of love that God has shown us in our relationship on earth. these Christians that have had the option to speak this out to the public have given those in the darkness a truth against the lies that are pushed upon the masses. the laws are now open to definitions of hate propaganda where preaching and refusing to embrace homosexuality is a hate crime, this is happening now.

Christians will no longer be able to sit on the fence or have foundations that are not based on the word. The choice is to either deny Christ for your own sake (mark of the beast) or embrace Christ for the sake of the gospel(mark of Christ). The Christians who stand during this time will rejoice as they will get a deeper understanding and relationship with our lord Jesus before the final reaping. It is important to check all the foundations of our own theology and test it against the bible to make sure we are walking in the spirit and not the flesh.

We need to encourage each other to fight the good fight and allow the bibles truth to transform our minds and clean our spirits with the truth of the gospel.

///Re: by TMK on 2015/8/18 13:17:46
PP-
I literally have not used cash in about 2 weeks.
Do you really think paper money is the issue?///

Did you listen to those sermons of Bro Denny Kenastons that I recieved the quotes from ?
I believe he was intune when he said them.

Art Katz threw his credit cards out because of his feeling on the subject. Most on SI have a pretty high respect for Katz.

David Wilkerson whom most on SI have a great amount of respect for,. In 1973 believed that : there will
: "(((no doubt))) institute a worldwide "walking credit card " system. Invisible numbers will be implanted on the forehead or forearm,.."

Now that these things are no longer bizzare science fiction but are now rapidly becoming reality everyone has a different interpretation.

Is that not to be expected ?

I want to pose a question

disease is everywhere if you refuse to vaccinate your children and they get one of these diseases and pass it on to other people? would this be manslaughter if the person dies? as you have made a choice in the matter?

on an ethical level go to the hospital and see the children in ICU that have these diseases and are suffering from onslaught of this who are in great amounts of pain and if they take medicine for their pain there is a good chance it also was made from baby cells.

without vaccines 10 to 20 percent of your christian brothers and sisters would not be alive or become incapacitated in some way and many none believers would have not had the opportunity to hear the gospel message and give their lives to Jesus especially in the third world countries were lack of education and are unable to prevent the environment they are born in. many of which are now pastors spreading the gospel to villagers and the rest of the world.

The fact of the matter is that Vaccines only work if everybody is vaccinated and the reason it has got out of control again is because people decided not to get vaccinated. Dr Ben Carson is a Doctor who knows this and he would have seen the devastation these diseases cause upon people and with the intent to prevent people suffering from this. Does this make him a bad, satanic man no it makes him compassionate to save lives.

How many good spirit filled preachers have had vaccines?

We can reason this out ethically for a very long time

RE:///The fact of the matter is that Vaccines only work if everybody is vaccinated and the reason it has got out of control again..//

Nothing is out of control.
The media is blowing measles out of proportion to instill fear into the general public inorder to over ride the opposition and eliminate the religious excemption .
That is how Communism works : play on peoples fears and emotions so as to have them hand over there liberties.

Many in all generations have refused vaccines because of religious convictions and others because they did not trust the system.
refusal is nothing new, the attack on the religious excemptions is what is new.

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RE:/// I believe that no matter how much information and research that i provide to you in this post about the points you have raised will change your mind.. ///

You are correct.

Karl, I am not for forcing or trying to convince you not to get vaccinated.
(reword): I just want to continue to be able to use the lawful excemption. It seems that you are for eliminating the religious excemption.

a neutral source about the moral/ethical questions using abortion-tainted vaccines visit the :

Right to Life of Michigan

http://www.rtl.org/prolife_issues/LifeNotes/VaccinesAbortion_FetalTissue.html

Artical by a family practice physician, and the founder of the Association of Pro-life Physicians
http://www.johnstonfamilyministry.com/article/healthy-skepticism-vaccine-recommendations

Amen markuskiwi

Hi proudpapa

as i said earlier there is no spiritual point for me to keep on the subject of Vaccines. we can both keep posting research and opinions on the matter and fill page after page and still be at the same standing point as the beginning. does it bring us closer together as Christian brothers? no i don't think it does. I would prefer to have all of my discussions in person with people breaking bread together, praying and then discussing matters. unfortunately although technology brings us together to discuss issues it doesn't allow for that side of Christian relationship. it is more like us standing on different sides of the street debating our views with a large crowd watching us and interjecting on various points.

So putting that issue aside religious exemptions is something that is an issue of its own. I think the biggest attackers against religious exemption and freedom is the so called prosperity churches who make millions of dollars from the gospel as well as cults like Scientology. These guys have abused that blessing and the world has had enough of their scandal's especially God as they fleecing his sheep who lack the insight into the doctrines of Balaam. Gay activists want the old fashion church out of site so they can create their own version of Christianity because they know that real Christianity will always show the floors in their Arguments and will not compromise Gods word.

I am not against Religious exemption but i do believe that blessing has expired and its only a matter of years before the secular world finds a way to bring it down. The gay marriage laws have shown how easily this is done.

Hi markuskiwi

"This will not cause people to repent and will therefore not change much . We would need a major outpooring of the Holy Spirit"

I never said it would make people repent but what it does is allows people to see that God has awnsers to the darkness of today it plants a seed that can be watered at anytime after.

yes we do need a massive outpouring of the holy spirit to set the captives free.

But if religious exemption is removed then all this means for Christians is that our faith in Jesus Christ deepens as we will now have to depend on Christ everyday for the things we need. no longer will their be wishy-washy Christianity in the western world, we will rejoice in suffering in Christs name, Christians have had to do this in other countries and they have had the testimony to share the true Glory and power of our father as they rely on him.

Hi Julius21

Thank you for comments as well as everyone else, I have been thinking about how i can simplify the mark of the beast verses as there is a lot of information Biblical on it. The mark's original word is "stigmata" and this mark in the old testament was used as a form of branding for slaves. Paul uses it to say that all of his sufferings where proof of his servitude to the lord. It doesn't say anything about cash it says that you can not buy or sell. you could liken this to being part of a club. as a pronounced christian it may hinder our abilities in the worldly market. This has already been done against races and would not be too hard to use this against beliefs .

the bible is a book of spiritual revelation and every born again believer can have this revealed to them. many cults where coming to the same conclusion and still do today as many christian preachers have. the most common belief is Microchip or bar code. people back this up with what is current and visual in technology as it advances. God will not reveal himself to people so they can advance themselves further in denying Christs rightful position.

Scripture is foolish to the world but wisdom to Christians so how can we come to that same conclusion. The world can not see the types that these represent and its only when we walk through the scriptures with Jesus that we do not fall into the depths of its living water. all of the new testament must also be revealed through the old testament.

My biggest concern is that people are waiting for types of signs that are not biblical therefore being deceived by whats happening now. This was the same for the Jews who thought Jesus would come down with a horse and sword and deliver them and they could not except the Jesus that arrived even though he fulfilled all of the prophesy. when a cashless society comes i have no problems with it, it is only when my believe is challenged that i will not deny Christ.

I raised these understandings with a couple of fathers of the faith and we all concluded the same and yet we go to different christian denominations. I also found that through this understanding there is no fear of whats to come and i don't need a special "anointed to leader to guide me to understand what the Lord has written for me to grow in relationship and understanding of the word.