prayers for Nick Flynn

Marina...Mutual expression here. Same problem, different addiction with my wife Lisa, it's been mentioned here before. She knows the Lord and ... Only He can do anything with this, there is no other answer, it just has to break from the inside out.To get at the core of the problem...Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. You have my sincere intercession for Nick and if it comes to mind please pray for my wife. I know very well what you are going through

Thank you sister...so very much. Amen and amen

Marina...That this might rub off on us all. What an incredible laying hold of your sprit the Lord has!What an encouargement you are, what perspective! This will be something to watch develop, my prayers are with you dear sister and for Nick.My!Take a gander over to some interesting parallels with what is going on with Mekdi here Pray, Prayer and Praying

The Lord is at work! I know He is! :)In Him, Chanin

I hate to be the wet blanket here , but don't they preach against being unequally yoked over in England? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? Sis you can do what you want with your life. But if you clearly walk contrary to the word of God you're walking in the flesh and not the Spirit and therefore you 'll reap accordingly. I don't mean to be hard or harsh ,I'm trying to be gentle, but let me give you this example. If I was to steal for a living, can I then go to God and ask Him to bless my livelyhood?He would not, not matter how successful I became in stealing. In the same way, you're asking God to bless or save your boyfriend and while I believe God will hear prayers for your boyfriend God cannot condone or approve of your relationship since its set against His word. Application of God's word is important, It's not the hears of the Word of God that are justified but the doers . You stay in this relationship and you'll have a rollercoaster ride of emotions and unless(and that's a big unless) God intervienes you end up with a broken heart and possibly years worth of damaged emotions, not to mention the feeling of having let Jesus Christ down. The mortal down side far out weighs any positives you might be experiencing in this relationship. Sorry sis, but that's the truth, please give it some prayerful thought. Bro. Daryl

I will pray for him.

I will pray too. But i must say I agree with Dohzman. Were you saved while in this realationship or before you were involoved? Was he living for God at one time? Well, I assume its really none of my business but they are the questions that come to mind. All of us have the spirit of Christ in us ,if we believe it or not,and as soon as we pray in the Lord things get done.... What do you mean all of us? Us as in Christians? or Us as in everyone? I really dont mean to break the flow of this because I agree in praying for him, but there are just general questions that are coming to mind. Please don't see them as an attack at you, just concern and honest questions. I will be praying..

I hate to be the wet blanket here , but don't they preach against being unequally yoked over in England? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? Sis you can do what you want with your life. But if you clearly walk contrary to the word of God you're walking in the flesh and not the Spirit and therefore you 'll reap accordingly. I don't mean to be hard or harsh ,I'm trying to be gentle, but let me give you this example. If I was to steal for a living, can I then go to God and ask Him to bless my livelyhood?He would not, not matter how successful I became in stealing. In the same way, you're asking God to bless or save your boyfriend and while I believe God will hear prayers for your boyfriend God cannot condone or approve of your relationship since its set against His word. Application of God's word is important, It's not the hears of the Word of God that are justified but the doers . You stay in this relationship and you'll have a rollercoaster ride of emotions and unless(and that's a big unless) God intervienes you end up with a broken heart and possibly years worth of damaged emotions, not to mention the feeling of having let Jesus Christ down. The mortal down side far out weighs any positives you might be experiencing in this relationship. Sorry sis, but that's the truth, please give it some prayerful thought. Bro. Darylwhat if staying in this relationship is in accordance to the will of God in order for the boyfriend to be saved? God maybe reaching out through her. at any rate the main thing is that whatever you do sis is whatever God wants you to do.

Marina, do you live with Nick? Also, this statement, All of us have the spirit of Christ in us , do you mean those who are born again, or all mankind? Just wondering. Dian.

God is never contrary to His word. Sometimes we like to rationalize our way around the Word of God and say because it worked for so and so it'll work for me, but that's seldom the way it works out. Dear Ironman, on the day of the Lord's judgement are you prepared to give account for a word added or a word taken away? Be real careful before you advise against obedience to the clear written Word of God.

bro DohzmanI agree God is never contrary to His word.i was saying that perhaps the purpose for our sister staying put at this time IS for this young man's salvation. and at the end of the day our sister here needs to be sure of what God would have her do. i didn't advise against disobedience.where did I say that she had to disobey? i simply said that she needed to be sure of what God wanted her to do. what of married couples in a similar situation?

what if staying in this relationship is in accordance to the will of God in order for the boyfriend to be saved? God maybe reaching out through her. at any rate the main thing is that whatever you do sis is whatever God wants you to do. Look again brother what you wrote? You implied that maybe God would make an exception. Never. If she's following Jesus she'll deny her self take up her cross and follow Jesus right out of that relationship. That action would be more true to scripture and the character of God and His pattern down through history.Rember only disciples are christians, the term disciple is used more often than christian in the NT. and also in the early church fathers writtings. In the case of marriage , we are instructed to remain in the state where the Lord finds us.

Bro Dohzmani was asking the a question when i posted that and not adivising her. the only advice i gave was to be sure of what God would have her do.

I went to see the new Star Wars movie last night. The spiritual parallels in this movie really struck me. The biggest thing that impacted me was how Anakin's love for the woman caused him to err. He desired the human relationship above knowing God in vital reality. Oh, how common this is! Sister Marina, I have been in your situation. There is No Way that it is God's will for you to be living with this man unmarried. It is just not God's way. Nowhere in the scripture will you find support for this way of thinking. Don't kid yourself. Perhaps God will do a work in both of you if you separate from this living arrangement and seek to align yourself with God's word.Please don't leave here because of my comments. I'm only speaking from experience. I don't have time right now to share all that I have on this, but I'll come back to this later. Love you, Sis. Will be praying for you. Dian.

Hi Marina,just a couple of things to consider. It seems that knowone who has replied to this request for prayer is at all encouraging of your personal situation with Nick, so there is this angle:Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. Romans 14:16NIVAbstain from all appearance of evil.1 Thess 5:22KJVThere is the appearance of/ a slight possibility that something may/might be happening. Whose to know what happens when knowone else is around. It is common sense, leaders of churches have sadly been caught in such situations, and as I have heard before, satan has tripped up greater men than me.As much as I agree to a certain degree to your reasoning, there is the battle that rages within the members of our mortal bodies. Jesus was well aware of this when he said to Peter:"Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."Matt 26:41Now I do not know your personal devotional life to the Lord Jesus, but there is this reality to walking this world.Most of the comments here are expressed out of deep concern that you may be comprimising your walk with the Lord and your heart motive of setting apart Christ as Lord. I do not think that the 'voice of the Lord' would go against his word'. As much as you say that this where the Lord wants you at this time, I am 99% certain that it is not the ideal path that he wants for you. I'll give you the 1%. After all God told Isaiah to walk around with his buttocks showing for three years, he told Hosea to marry a prostitute, so...walk circumspectly for the days are evil and he is called a lion.

Romans 6:1+2What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?Backslidding: Jeremiah chapter 3, Hosea 4:6-19Returning to the Lord: Hosea 14:1+2

i believe that God has put me in this place for a reason and he does not mind if we are married or not,i know this sounds out of line and im going to shock you more,he is still married to another Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.Matthew 5:19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.John 14:15If you love me, keep my commandments.John 14:21He that hath my commandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me...John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings...IJohn 5:2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.IJohn 3:4 But those who keep on sinning are against God, for every sin is done against the will of God.IJohn 3:24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him.IJohn 5:3Loving God means doing what he tells us to do, and really, that isn't hard at all...Definition of a sinner according to Paris Reidhead: A sinner is a person who has committed himself to the purpose and practice of pleasing himself without due and proper regard for the interest of God and the rights of others."Truth is everything as God sees it." Jesse Penn Lewis

When I originally read your post my first thought was on the woman of samaria by the well in John's gospel ch 4. This woman who had many different men in her life was being offered a chance to be a worshipper of God, at the present she worshipped that she did not know(Jesus without being harsh let her know that her worship was toward men and not really God). Jesus never says call thy boyfriend, but he invites her to repent and become a worshipper of God alone, in Spirit and in TRUTH. That's the invisiable and the real seen life or the outward. I have counseled many who seem to have a need for security or what ever and therefore sell thier souls inorder to stay where they are and they justify thier actions building up false peace in thier minds. If we (I speak to myself here) justify a sin then we have trampled under foot the Blood of Christ and have hurt the testomony of Jesus in our lives. I posted earlier what is ahead for your life and the injury you'll suffer from this relationship as it plays out. God is not mocked , sow to the flesh and reap corruption, sow to the Sprirt and reap life. As a father with daughters I will remain in prayer for you as the Lord brings you to my heart for such, but I 'll do so with a sense of dissapointment and heart ache.

where does it say in the bible the word backslidden?Here are 15 verses.. there are a couple more..Pro 14:14 The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself. Jer 2:19 Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts. Jer 3:6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. Jer 3:11 And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah. Jer 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger forever. Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Jer 3:22 Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.Jer 5:6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased. Jer 8:5 Why then is this people of Jerusalem slid back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. Jer 14:7 O LORD, though our iniquities testify against us, do thou it for thy name's sake: for our backslidings are many; we have sinned against thee. Jer 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man. Jer 49:4 Wherefore gloriest thou in the valleys, thy flowing valley, O backsliding daughter? that trusted in her treasures, saying, Who shall come unto me? Hos 4:16 For Israel slideth back as a backsliding heifer: now the LORD will feed them as a lamb in a large place. Hos 11:7 And my people are bent to backsliding from me: though they called them to the most High, none at all would exalt him. Hos 14:4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him. how do you know the will of God for me?1Th 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor; 1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his Holy Spirit.

I think the scriptures I posted clearly answer both of your questions.

I think you have all done a wonderful job of coming alongside Marina and trying to counsel her "nouthetically"- to admonish, correct or instruct.I definitely have to agree that biblically, and just a plain 'Holy Spirit witness' that this situation is not God's will. There are too many things here to even begin to appraoch right here, right now.Marina, these people on here, they love you in Christ and want the Lord's best for you. They want you to glorify God with your life. To obey is better than sacrifice. Being obedient to God's Word is very important to Him.Though what we are saying may not sit well with you right now, give the Holy Spirit a chance to confirm His will to you. Is there a possibility that these brothers and sisters in Christ are right? Ask the Lord to reveal this to you.If you love the Lord, you will do whatever is necessary to surrender every part of your life over to Him- including your relationships. Our God is a loving God, longsuffering God, BUT He is also a CONSUMING FIRE. He will not tolerate "in your face rebellion" without some serious consequences. I fear for you. I fear the consequences. I have experienced many hard consequences in my own life because of past rebellion and just plain old 'wanting to do things the way I wanted them'. Please pray about this and really ask the Lord to open your heart to hear what he might want to say.In Him, Chanin

Marina, there isn't one person here who agrees with you. You are deceived. Deception is believing a lie. It is a lie to be sinning and saying you are not sinning. You are in sin and the testimony of your life right now is compromising the integrity of the testimony of Jesus Christ. Love, Dian.

1Jn1:8 If we say that we have no sin we are decieving our selves and the truth isnot in us. vs9 if we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness./1Jn2:1-3 note verse 3 / 1Jn2:28 Now little children abide IN HIM.....please read 1Jn3:1-10 Please note---you talk much about Jesus in You, the bigger question is Are YOU in Jesus. You see, The Lord doesn't move or change and as such we are commanded to abide, walk in the light as He is in the light ect...A picture of living in a house is a decent enough example. We can at anytime leave but that doesn't mean the house will go with us. Young lady, I seen your senerio sooooo many times, I've given myself in fasting and prayer for ones like you sooo often and watched the results and pain of heart ache more than I now want to recall. The palmist prays that he would walk in the fear of the Lord ALL the Day...That lets me know that as free moral people we have a chioce to walk in the fear of God, Our Father Loves us so much He gave us free choice. I'll leave you with this, it's from Jesus' to you: "IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS AND I WILL COME TO YOU AND RECIEVE YOU UNTO MYSELF".

Marina, I have backslided or went back on my faith before. I did that for a number of years- late high-school through my twenties. I claimed to be "saved" yet ran my life the way I wanted.Even now that i am right with the Lord and am surrendered to Him, I still end up sinning sometimes and MUST repent. Just because Jesus lives in me, has not made me perfect yet. My flesh still wants to sin. Yes, we have jesus living in us, but we also have the flesh, or "self" still trying to live it's life in us also. Do not be decieved by the flesh.A good book to read on it is Watchman Nee's "The Normal Christian Life". It explains this very well. This doctrine that you have learned somewhere is not right."There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,* who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." --Everyday we have to make a choice not to walk according to the flesh. It does not happen automatically.This is also why Jesus said if we want to be His followers we must: "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.You see we must deny our "selves", our flesh, and carry our cross and follow after Jesus. This is not an automatic thing- it is a choice and done purposely.In His love, chanin

Marina,There is much concern here, I do hope you will take it all to heart and consider...Earlier on I had welcomed and encouraged what I had perceived was a wonderful ability to face adversity with the right spirit. And that very well may still be true, but... and perhaps misunderstood the fuller understanding of all that has since transpired and this was picked up on by some of the brethren here who's discernment is sharper.Since you alluded to it somewhat and giving you the benefit of the doubt a hard question needs to be asked. There is a small and I do mean very small chance that you are able to keep yourself out of sin and in what the Lord has fully and unequivocally stated in scripture; Adultery.This is a question only, but it must be answered if this is to be of any help whatsoever and do not want to make assumptions.Have some real life experience very similar to the possibilities that you find yourself in and will share some of it here shortly. But there is much wisdom amongst these here and they are here to help and not condemn. But first, the question.

ps I dont go to church because i am the churchHeb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Are you in contridiction to scripture? This is one of the very roots of your deception. i did not say i was like Christ i said I AM Christ,there is a difference Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. Paul never said "I am Christ." He said Christ lives in me. He was still Paul it was just Christ living in/through him. Paul was not Christ.GIVE THANKS IN ALL THINGS FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD FOR YOU IN JESUS CHRIST!1Thess 5:181Th 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor; 1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his Holy Spirit. Are these scriptures contridicting each other? No. They go together perfectly. His will is for you to live out of sin and fornication (and every apearence of sin) and to give thanks for all things.

Will pre-empt this here a bit, having read your reply before this... Marina I can see the pain and cannot begin to even grapple with what you have described here, with your daughter.There is a sense that you are not telling us everything here and you did dodge the question, perhaps it is none of our business, but because of the way this was originally presented here and the follow up and dialouge, it has largely brought up some exposing things. You must understand a few things here Marina. First is the forum you are involved with here. These are serious saints by and large. We may have different denominational upbringings and quabble over secondary issues, wrestling with the text's of scripture, our understanding of the Lords leading, sharing our experiences and thoughts, opinions... But with all that and for the most part there is a heart to getting at the truth in sincerity, honesty, reality. Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.Do not know if you have listened to any of the messages here and will come back and link to one that seems very fitting to all of this from David Wilkerson. But there is much that is very unsettling in your understanding of scripture and a very strange sense of allowing your feelings and emotions to over ride what is written. it is a dangerous sign of the times we live in and where much of the church is and has and will continue to lose it's moorings. This is not fundemantal, backwards, bible thumping, blissfully ignorant nor are we living in the dark ages. There is much wisdom that comes forth throught his site, from the messages and speakers to all the vast articles and sharing between the memebers here, of their experience, knowledge of scripture and life expereience walking with the Lord.So it is a bit of a reach to make some assumptions from your part and on ours there is just as well perhaps some assumptions being made and that stems from your comments. There is a dearth of details missing here. What is your background? Where did you get your understanding of scripture? Were you brought up in or are a part of a specific denomination? Only ask that to try and clarify here. There is much by way of what you have said that does not square with an understanding of what scripture states, emphatically. It has a ring of cult like influence and that is not to make an accusation but you are not answering the questions being asked here and are trying to evade them by bringing forth all these very puzzling statements.God has brought me to you for a reason,And i will say again i have NO sin for I AM the LORD JESUS CHRIST and i died for those sins so if living with a married,alcoholic non christian man is a sin ,then what did Jesus die for all those years ago If sin is dead!......All this flatly contradicts what is written in scripture and you yourself are very much confused to reconcile these opposing statements together. This only but an example and where to start is beyond me here. But still, will you answer the first question proposed earlier? It is the crux of the issue and being that you brought it forth by making mention of it, bluntly are you in bed with this man outside of marriage or not? My own confession follows below here, no need to fear, but will you be candid with us? And trying to spiritualize the issue is not going to help matters.And secondly will you provide us with more details of just where you are coming from?In the mean time here is some food for thought.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Marina before the Lord apprehended me I was involved in what turned into a long term relationship with a women who I met and got involved with right smack in the middle of a separation and ultimately a divorce. It was one of the greatest upheavals and terrible times of my life.I met her living in a complex where I had owned a condominium and 'they' lived literally across the street of the same. Had done repairs in their condo and even without knowing the Lord fully was brought up well enough, had enough 'church sense' if i may put it that way, to know better than to get involved as the two of them were in this messy quasi separation. Just as with yourself her husband was not only a heavy drinker, but also involved with other drugs, a dangerous concocment on top of the fact that he neither wanted a divorce and also they had there little boy who was about 18 months at the time.Whatever little sense I had and despite the pleadings of those around me warning me of what I was getting myself into... I allowed myself to 'fall in love' or lust or some combination thereof. Again, outside of the Lord. The hostility....You may never know what it is like to walk around day after day with a death threat upon you, whether it be merely assumed or otherwise. That her husband did not kill me is a miracle and the Lord very well must have had something else in mind, there is really no good reason otherwise that I sit here pushing these keys.It got so bad, that to call the cops out was only a matter of her saying her name "It's_______" and they would come out. We were co habiting between the two places and he would often show up, hang out in the garage or come up and pound on the door or short of that would hop over the deck and come flying in through the sliding glass door. There was a time I got in the middle of the two and got flung against the wall with such force, and minus a large chunk of hair not to mention. Flying telephones and ashtrays, verbal screaming matches and breakin's and scheming and sinister plots, emotions always raging, disputes over their young boy... It was ugly and incredibly gutwretching and yet I stayed in it and had convinced myself that despite it all that I was doing right. I knew better in my core that I was living in sin... but I was in love. The other brutal reality was that despite her husbands shortcomings and problems, I was making it worse. I felt for him, because I was largely to blame. I had no business being with her while this was being settled out, it was a muddy mixture of compassion and love on the one hand, that of protecting her form her 'evil' husband and yet could not escape my own responsibility and the weight of carrying the fact that I may have been the hindrance to whatever possible reconciliation between them. It took many years before we could come to grips with each other (myself and her husband). I dreaded him coming over for so long and a lot of that was just out of a combination of fear and more largely guilt. Despite the fact that lives moved on and perhaps the two of them were truly unevenly matched or not meant to be, however you want to look at it, it doesn't change the facts whatsoever. There is a very good reason for the warnings, for the damage that can result even for one that doesn't know the Lord. The times of anguish and crying out to God even though I knew Him not, to somehow allow myself to escape the situation. The relationship turned cold later on and I had a stubbornness or stick-to-it-tivenes that would not allow me to just up and walk away from it, it was 7 years of acting like I was married, in fact made the correlation that it was such, just short of the 'document'. But there was a child involved and had become a second 'dad' in a way with the realization and due respect to his natural father, despite all the hostilities and such.Eventually it all came crumbling down, the way it ended a mystery and odd circumstances and accusations... Not necessary to go into it, but need to tell you that it was devastating. It was a 'divorce' in the truest sense, in the heart. To know the night I had to leave that I would likely be seeing my step-son for the last time... fell so heavily upon me that it was almost impossible to compose myself, to tell him that I had to leave for awhile, that we needed to have some time apart to figure things out. I knew then that I was only trying to soften the blow to him, that it was really now over.Marina, to go back through all this is difficult and it is but an example of the possibilities, your situation not necessarily matching the content. but the issue is that unrepairable damage can result. Time heals, yes. The Lord has healed much, taught much, the whole disposition is of another sort altogether. But there is a chunk of the heart that is missing and will remain so. It is only upon reflection that the sting comes back, I miss the little man, he was a part of my life for a long, long time. Hindsight is 20/20 and of course had I listened, had I known the Lord then there is no doubt that I would never had gotten myself involved in that way. Your situation is different surely, but you say that the Lord dwells in you, but He does not and will not contradict Himself, no matter what your feelings, emotions, imaginations or otherwise. You cannot change that which He has commanded, you cannot side step or make yourself an exception. Regardless of whether you are or are not in sin in this relationship, if you are living together you are setting yourself right smack into the middle of temptation, do not be fooled or deceived, God is not mocked and with all the love I can muster I say that, spare yourself the damage and repercussions. Please consider what all these saints are saying here, they watch out for your soul.

Marina,Please consider a couple of things. As part of being involved with a community of this nature there is a give and take, questions and answers, dialouge. Please keep that in mind here, if anything there are many here willing to discuss these things in a spirit of love and truth and an obvious concern is being expressed here.Would not a part of being a fellow believer be one of humility and of giving consideration to those that are asking questions? You are dodging the issue still...Am short on time here and will give heed to what you have linked to when I have an opportunity. By the same token in your free time please consider giving this message a listen, it well speaks to what many here are saying as well as to what may be missing in your understanding. Learning How to Love the Lord by David Wilkerson John 14:15,1 John 5:3 Description: Loving Jesus is not something we say, but it is something we do. Jesus says "If you love me, keep my commandments." They are not grievous. He empowers us by the Holy Ghost to be able to keep his word when we are willing to surrender our heart to his Lordship. A stirring word that will cause every sincere believer to examine his or her own heart. John 14:15 says if you love me you will keep my commandments. This is just the first of many other scriptures Brother Wilkerson uses to demonstrate the reality of what it means to love the Lord our God. It goes beyond feelings and sentiment. It involves more than your words. The Lord is looking for hearts that honestly reach out for him and has a desire to be obedient to his word.

Marina,I dont mean to be rude but what are your thoughts on what I have posted? Thanks.

Your words and scriptures are all true and i do not discard them,all that you and others say is spot on!I don't understand. You agree with everyone that you are deceived?

Have you and Nick had a child together?

Dear Sister, How can you say that you are Christ? Jesus NEVER sinned!! You have admitted that you are living in sin. You are not dead to sin, but a slave to it! It is true that if we are in Christ we are a new creation, it is also true that when the Father looks upon us it is through the blood of Jesus, but Jesus knows our condition... Christ is the searcher of men's hearts. He sees our sins! He sees us as we are. Our sins sent Him to the cross. Do not lighly esteem the Rock of your salvation. He paid too high a price for you!! Our sin is so ugly and the wages of sin is DEATH!! Your sin and mine greive His heart! When you truly love someone you want to please and honor them. Do you really love Jesus?? If so don't you want to please Him by honoring His sacrafice for you? Only Christ could pay the price for sin by sheading His blood on the cross. You and I could NEVER do that, only the perfect Lamb of God could!!!! In my heart I feel the Love of God for your soul, but I hear the Holy Spirit saying that you have created a false Christ. Lay down your sin, drawn near to Him and He will draw near to you. In His Love, Tina

marinaThe first words on the website you hi-lited are "We speak the hidden mystical wisdom of God-"That was as far as I was willing to read on your site.. I came from the new age movement, and I know the speak when I read it. You may be filled with a spirit, but he is not The Spirit..Repent and live. Greg :-?

Marina, are there people whom you believe know God and are more mature in the faith than you? Do you have others whom you fellowship with who think like you think? You say you are Christ. Who do you think we are? If you are Christ and we are Christ, then Christ must be double-minded, cause my Jesus is telling me you are wrong.I am not Christ, Christ lives in me. I am his creation called to carry his testimony. I am his ambassador. I don't speak my words, I speak his words. Jesus said in John 15:10, "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." Jesus keeps the commandments. If you were Christ, you would keep the commandments, too. That's how we know you are wrong. You are asking us to believe something that contradicts the entire Word of God. I don't believe it. But, I love you. I do believe God is calling to your heart and desires to bring you into the Truth. I am praying for you. Love, Dian.P.S. I did read John 5:39,40,41. It says, "Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honor from men."It says right there that the scripture testify of Him. Which ones do you believe? Can we hold to some and throw others out?

Dear Sister, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, but I will continue to pray for you and Nick. But consider this; Jesus didn't "shack-up" with the women at the well in order to show the love of the Father to her. It was the well of Living water that flowed from Him. It was the Living water flowing from Him that touched her dead soul and brought life to her!! I totally agree with you that Jesus became sin on the cross for us, but we can't even begin to relized what He suffered! The Father whom He loved so much could not look upon Him because of our filthy, rotten, sin!!!! Like I said earlier; If you loved Jesus you would honor His sacrafice for you! We can't even begin to understand how much that precious gift cost Him.In His Love, Tina :-)

Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. The gig is up Marina. Either you are attempting to have a bit of sinister toying about here or you are in a great deception.As Greg mentioned, that particular site is as muddy as I have seen, to attribute these ideals;"Truth is found in many sources…denominations, books, writings, songs, movies, life experience, religions because God is as He says He is…All and in all."Is to misconstrue and add leaven, to go beyond what is written in scripture. It is but a slight twist to call evil good and good evil. No sense in attempting to reason out what is 'true' of false religions, of course they contain truth's or use truths and so does the devil himself, is it not also true that he is a liar? And did he not use true scripture refrences only to contort them into a lie in attempting to apply them against the Lord?The irony is in posting A.W.Tozer there if that was to lend credibility. And referencing the line Greg brought forth "We speak the hidden mystical wisdom of God-" It would be awfully difficult to reconcile that with these words:"All he could hope to do, Tozer said, was to place the right emphasis at the right time. If in his writings the reader should discover something new, he should reject it, for whatever in religion is new is by the same token false."A.W. Tozer ~ A Twentieth Century ProphetPsa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.The brethren here have been patient, compassionate, lovingly forceful, have asked you over and over again to answer questions and you refuse. There is no humility, no discussion, no considering, only this smug self satisfied reasoning that you can do no wrong because you are not you but... can't even bring myself to say it. This is the height of deception and I fear for you if you are unwilling to listen to the Godly counsel of those here. It is painfully obvious that there is much concern and little condemnation, but your reasoning of and from scripture is false. There is much here on this site that could bring forth a truer understanding, if you were but willing, sadly that does not seem to be the case.Either that or you are playing games. It is time to stop all this nonsense. i am in a place where the Lord has put me!and i am going to stay put until he says other wise!thank you to all who are concerned for me,but the Lord works in ways that i do not understand myself,because its his will!It is NOT His will, read His word... all of it. You are only buttressing the error of our day, to either go beyond scripture or to re-write it in snippets and build a theology off of it. That is a definition of a cult and they are spreading like a disease across the land.Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. i am walking with the Lord ,even though it doesnt look like it!and i do not want to course upset to any on this site,but at the moment we are going to have to agree to disagree!...To late for that and besides if you really meant that you would humble yourself and listen and stop defending what is not defensible. because if its you guys or the Lord i listen to its going to have to be Jesus!Earlier mentioned a message from David Wilkerson and guessing you didn't bother to give it a listen, but in answer to this..."No one hears clearer voices than those who are walking in disobedience" Learning How to Love the Lord David Wilkerson "Who in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear, though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered; and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation; named of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard of interpretation, seeing ye are become dull of hearing. For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food. For every one that partaketh of milk is without experience of the word of righteousness; for he is a babe. But solid food is for fullgrown men, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil. Heb 5:7-14The gig is up Marina, either come clean and converse here honestly, answering the questions being brought forth, consider others more highly than yourself even if it is to yourself that these fine people are lovingly exhorting you...because they care for your soul or cease with this self deception. You are loved and welcomed but if you are unwillingly to consider all these things you will only find yourself further trapped by the illusions and false teachings that have thus far engulfed you. I fear for you and pray for you.

well what can i say .... the Lord works in some strange ways and you never know why he does things this way ,but it is fun to watch.... myself and nick have just been away to alton towers [big theme park in england] and when we got back we had abit of a fall out,so nick went off to a pub to get very drunk...he stayed away for the night and got very worse for wear....when he returned the next day after work,he informed me his wallet had been stolen off the bar,it had all his cards and £150.00 in it .. he didnt say much but i could feel the anger coming from him ,he spent most of the night phoning all the credit card companys to cancel them..as this was going on i was saying thank you to the Lord because these are the beginings of his work ....poor old Nick he still has a long way to go until he gives up for good,but im glad i know the Lord is all in all and this is his way ...Thank you Lord for making Nick desperate AMEN xxxxMarina, he will probably continue this kind of behavior when you have kids. You want a husband so irresponsible and waste money on himself and his habits, and be fighting like this with kids around?My husband (who has now committed adultery and become a registered sex offender) promised me, without me even asking, to give up marijuana when I got pregnant, which was his lifestyle and daily habit. Instead, after we had the baby, he got worse, bringing home some heavey duty criminals and more drug dealers, then even choking me and trying to kill me twice, all in front of our baby. (I was not a christian, I became one after I moved out- the point is they can't change themselves even if they sincerely want to, we need God's help for this, and according to the Bible, He won't answer disobedient prayers, He won't even hear them)You can't mock God, you will reap what you sow, if you want to be with a nonchristian and disobey New Testament, your sins will reap death.Read and obey New Testament, read over and over and listen to Jesus Christ in the Gospels especially. He is not easy to follow. There is only one True Creator God, the Jesus you claim does not sound at all like the Jesus Christ of the Bible, the God of all Creation. Don't make up Jesus in your fantasy, get to know the real one.

Marina, will you please look at my questions again and answer? I really want to know your thoughts on this. Marina, are there people whom you believe know God and are more mature in the faith than you? Do you have others whom you fellowship with who think like you think? You say you are Christ. Who do you think we are? the scripture testify of Him. Which ones do you believe? Can we hold to some and throw others out?Thanks. Dian

I have to agree with my brother on this one. It's the same thing I was feeling. I think this nonsense has gone on long enough. The only thing we can really do for our sister is to pray for her. She needs an intimate encounter with the real Christ. Only He can remove the scales from her eyes and make her see.

It brings me to a place of despair to see you writing as if Christ is your Lord, while in reality you're denying Him. Can’t you see that what you’re saying is in total disagreement with the will of the Father, revealed in His word? "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" (Luke 6:46)I cannot but think that you don't believe the Bible to be Gods word. If I'm right...then all other conversation is useless. The people who tried to help you out and have pointed you to Christ, hold the Bible to be the true word of God. When you're not believing the Bible to be Gods word, you're only sharing and feeding your own ideas and preconceptions. When you do believe the Bible to be the word of God and you say Christ dwells in you, you would desire to obey His word. What would it mean to my dad if I said: "Daddy, I love you" and I did all the things he despises? That wouldn't be sincere, I would be a hypocrite. Please consider the following verses below: O Corinthians! We have spoken openly to you, our heart is wide open. You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted by your own affections. Now in return for the same (I speak as to children), you also be open. Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you." "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty."Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (2 Corinthians 6:11-7:1)The Lord speaks about the attitude you have towards Him. He says: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." You have said that, because you have died with Christ and Christ lives in you, it doesn't matter anymore what you do, because Christ died for all our sins, carrying them in His body...and now it's over.You won't find this in scripture. Better put. God deals with this attitude in this piece of text I quoted. The fact that Christ lives in you, doesn't give you freedom to sin...the opposite is true. Ok, I'll let God speak:Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."That's pretty clear, isn't it?You also said: "I do not believe in Right and Wrong i believe in GOD". Well, that would be the same as when someone is warning you for a car that's heading your way and you reply: "I don't believe there's a car coming my way, I only believe you". Isn't that a bit silly? I truly hope and pray that you will open your heart to Jesus, the Living Word. And to be honest...you are not Christ. The Bible never says that we become Christ. Yet to us [is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom [are] the all things, and we through Him; (1 Corinthians 8:6 - YLT)You’re claiming to be saved by Jesus and now you’re one with Him. John 15:3 tells your part of the story: “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you”. Amen to this!But it seems, Marina, that you stop here, while Jesus goes on by saying: “Abide in Me, and I in you” (:4). 1 John 2:6 tells us what it is to “abide in Him”:“He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked”You said: “Didnt Jesus hang out with the ones that needed saving?”Yep, you’re right. Jesus hang out with prostitutes, but did He sleep with them? We’re called to walk like Christ did, this verse tells us. You’re over and over stating that you cannot argue with God, while in fact you’re not only arguing with Him, but refusing to listen and obey Him. You say: “i was once in this place and its not a bad thing”. “You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough.” (Gal 5:7-9) You see, Marina, you’re playing games with yourself. That’s exactly what God says in James: “But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves” (1:22). You’re not deceiving God, you’re not deceiving us…you’re deceiving yourself! Why are you continually telling us that you can’t argue with God and what Jesus says and still…you’re living as if there is no God at all. Consider the following verses:“God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.” (1 John 1:6-8)“They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.” (Titus 1:16)“If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31-32)Alright…my heart goes out to you. All that I have written, isn’t meant to come down on you in a harsh way, but I rather speak and write the truth, as revealed in the Bible, then to be very friendly and “loving” towards you, while in fact you’re drowning yourself in this deception. I even fear for your salvation…How on earth (and Heaven) is it possible to say that you love God and only want to do what God wants and still you’re not listening to Him and obeying Him? On what is a true relationship based? Feelings? Thoughts? No! Commitment! And what is a true expression of love? Words? A bunch of flowers at times? No! Actions. Do you really think God tells you things that are in full contradiction to what the Bile says? There are only two possibilities. Either God is a liar, because He’s telling you things that are so opposite to what He says in His word, or…you’re hearing a voice that’s not from God. And maybe you say: “Who are you to judge me?”. I won’t judge you, but as someone who cares about you, your life and Nick…I let the word of God judge you, just as Jesus said: “"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.” (John 12:47-48)Oh, that the Lord may show you the truth of the matter. This is not just a "game", this is a matter of life and death...even eternal life and death.With much love,A servant of Jesus, trying to walk like He walked, failing in this too many times, but with the assurance that He who promised it is faithful, He will do it.Paul

Marina,This is a warning, not only to yourself, but to your conduct here. First off, there is a uncomfortable level of shear pride that you come here asking for prayer and as things unfold, questions are asked and you refuse to answer them.You have left many here with only assumptions because of that. If you were honest with yourself and with us you would be more forthcoming, but instead only foster more of a disillusionment. The shear number of response's here, all this outpouring of concern and attempt to reason with you from scripture and yet you deny, brush it aside, twist it all to your own liking.Remember that you brought all this to the fore from your own doing, by making mention of it here.If this was all a function to draw attention to yourself you have succeeded, but only and sadly to show how so much real concern the brethren can show one individual and still see that one not heed a single solitary thought.If anger is not a healthy tool to be thrust at all that is false, deceptive, misleading, to injustice, cruelty, misrepresentation of a Holy God and to the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, then you are reading a different set of scriptures than what were given. A table and a whip were first used by a Sheppard, long before attempting to tame lions.Consider, once again. Re-think all that you are supposing, that you can continue in defiant, willful sin with a smug misunderstanding, that you have this all figured out and that the rest are blind to the truth. You have stated now that you will cease from this...To all here,i will mention this no more,i can understand fully with this subject,....Fair enough, we will hold you to that, unless you choose to humble yourself to the Lord more so than any of us, though it wouldn't hurt to apologize to the good people who came along trying to plead with you. Short of that, you will have left only a sad, grievous heart, that you can deny the One you say you love.Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: