‘For the Record’: Is Iran Working Toward an EMP Strike?

‘For the Record’: Is Iran Working Toward an EMP Strike?
There are signs that Iran may be working toward an Electromagnetic Pulse strike on the United States.

"Once Iran has a nuclear weapon, they are ready to launch an EMP attack against us,” former CIA Director James Woolsey told TheBlaze TV’s For the Record. "I think they have conducted launches of satellites of the type that you and in the direction you would want for an EMP attack.”

In addition to those tests, Woolsey says the Iranian military has laid the groundwork for a religious justification for an EMP strike. In 2010, a military textbook called "Passive Defense” was published, which included a section that outlined how an EMP strike would be compliant with Islamic law.

"The deaths from electromagnetic pulse are all indirect,” said Woolsey. "They come from destroying the electricity grid, and thereby not being able to operate the other 17 infrastructures in the United States ”” food, water, finance. Everything else operates off electricity. And by not being able to operate those, you will have lots of people die of thirst, die of starvations, die of social disruption.”

"The idea, as I understand it, was that since one is not directly attacking or killing humans,” Woolsey said, "it doesn’t come under the stricture of some other ruling, or idea that one should not use nuclear weapons against people.”

The Congressional EMP Commission spent nearly a decade studying the issue and concluded that as many as 90 percent of all Americans could die in the first year after an EMP strike.

from: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/22/for-the-record-is-iran-working-toward-an-emp-strike/

Dfella,
That passage by Jesus is a call not to WORRY, FRET, or FEAR, lacking in trust for the sovereignty of God concerning food, shelter or clothing for tomorrow. It was not however a call to "stick our heads in the proverbial sand" & ignore everything in the world and act as if nothing matters at all. We know this by what Jesus did & did not say in the passage & we can interpret this scripture, as all scripture, by the full counsel of God in all other scriptures.

For example, in Acts, when Agabus stood up & prophesied that a famine was coming, preparation was made & sent to the saints in Jerusalem ahead of time. Some Biblical scholars say it was many years from the prophecy to the actual famine (makes me think of Joseph & the dreams God had him interpret for Pharoah of 7 years of plenty followed by a coming 7 years of famine). So, why didn't saints stand up in the congregation when Agabus prophesied of this coming famine & make sure Agabus was aware of the words of Jesus not to worry about tomorrow? Because we can be aware of the signs of the times & the season in which we live & not stick our heads in the sand without getting caught up in worry or fear. In fact, Jesus scolded those who could interpret tomorrow's weather but couldn't discern the signs of the times & the season in which they lived. And think of Noah: a man thought of as a tremendous man of faith throughout the OT & NT, but he spent decades building an ark at the command of the Lord. So he wasn't "worried" about tomorrow, but he wasn't naive & just ignorant of what was coming either.

The Congressional report & the CIA internal (now public) documentation report on the threat of an EMP on the USA is widely publicly known around the world. Most reports show our grid extremely vulnerable & a precision EMP attack could "extinguish up to 90% of our population in 1-2 years". That's not fear mongering or worrying, that's just facts presented by people looking at the objective data who ain't trying to scare anybody. North Korea knows this. China knows this. Russia knows this. And Iran certainly does. No doubt my all of these countries have wargame plans/strategies for this if/when WW3 goes "hot" from these current proxy wars in the Middle East.
We should have rebuilt our national electric grid when our economy was booming in the late 70's, 80's & 90's & we have been aware of this threat since way back then. Why didn't we? I can only assume pride that it would never happen to the USA, & maybe God's sovereignty in allowing a nation to trust too much in its own strength as it has turned more and more away from God as a whole (the nation as a whole has gotten more wicked & also much of the church has gone apostate or is extremely backslidden/asleep - though there is always a remnant for sure), and now we as a nation follow Romans 1 to a "T" (slaughtering tens of millions of babies & legalizing it, homosexual practice & even marriage - & even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural affections, murder, immorality accepted as normal as even more than 50% of pastors in pulpits admit to silent polls of weekly usage of pornography, etc., etc.).

Anyways, not worrying that God will feed & clothe us tomorrow is different than hiding under a rock somewhere & ignoring what is happening & what is coming.
God Bless,
Jeff

Amen, Jeff. We are not to let anything in this world move us out of our peace with the Lord.

When we do then we get into the flesh, desire to preserve our life and even align ourselves with the world to employ carnal weapons to wipe out our perceived enemy.

We don't ignore that the Holy Spirit wants us to draw near to our High Tower and Strong Fortress.

It's either that or we seek to save our life(style).

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, our battle is not carnal and God has given us spiritual weapons to fight a battle whose source is in the heavens.

Maybe, because Iran does not have a central bank run by the globalists and therefore are not controllable. Libya did not have one either, until the globalists engineered their downfall.

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:
Cuba
North Korea
Iran
After the instigated protests and riots in the Arab countries the Rothschild finally paved their way into establishing Central Banks, and getting rid of many leaders, which put them into more power.
http://bigvalleydiscountstore.blogspot.com/2011/10/only-3-countries-left-wo-rothschild.html

Seems there is some disagreement in the comments.

Mexico does America more harm than Iran, yet they have a central bank so are controllable by the globalists, who succeeded in erasing Europe's borders with the EU, and want to erase America's borders as well.

But, Christians are not to wage war against any man. The NT and life of Christ and the Apostles are clear on this subject.

Jeff, respectfully brother, I did not pick up on David's post to stick my head in the sand. But simply to not give into fear and to trust God.

In Matthew 24:6 Jesus tells his disciples that you are not to be frightened. For these things must take place. The implication being we are to trust Him. Even as it were when all hell breaks loose. Sorry not trying to be profane.

Anyway brother these are simply my thoughts regarding David's post.

Respectfully posted.

Blaine

Brethren let us not forget that a gospel revival is taking place in Iran and many are coming to Christ. This should be the good news that we rejoice in.

Blaine

AMEN, Blaine. Christians don't wage war against men. That is the great delusion.

TMK - that is the official report findings of the head of the congressional committee report. Sounds astonishing I know, but when there's no light, no transportation (our food shelves are stocked biweekly nationally and every day in places like NYC), potentially no law enforcement to stop the bad elements of society, no pumping of municipal water, no gasoline, no cars, etc. It's not fear-mongering. It's just facts. Look it up.

Blaine, I'm not saying anything about the revival in Iran or anything else. I am well aware of this & promote, pray for & support this work in every way possible. This doesn't take away the fact that judgement is coming to America. I'm not saying lets bomb Iran. I'm saying what Greg originally posted is well known for many years in top levels of government. It's just a fact. If anything, it should cause us to realize where we potentially stand in history, number our days, & live every day with intentionality before God in our secret lives, our evangelism, etc. When many prophets in the Body have had dreams & visions of these type things coming, I don't think the Lord is fear-mongering or telling us to put our head in the sand of these possibilities, but warning us to prepare (& seek Him individually for what that means for each of us). "Does God do anything except He first warn His prophets?" No, he doesn't.

Some may, but I'm not advocating fear. But sobriety. As Peter said in Holy Writ, "Be sober...be vigilant...the end of all things is near...." And the end of America as we know it could be sooner than you think. And I am not afraid, nor in willful blissful ignorance with my head in the sand. My 2 cents.

And the believers in Iran are not the Iranian revolutionary guard & ayatollahs in charge of Iran. Just like the baby killing, luring, war-mongering, greedy politicians in America don't represent me & other believers in the USA. But when it all comes down, the rain falls on the just & the unjust. God can driver & save His remnant in the midst of it all, &/or He can take some/many/most/all home with Him sovereignty as He please according to His will. Look back at WW2. WW3 will be a repeat scenario in form with much larger scope & consequences potentially with the proliferation of Nuclear weapons around the world, radical Islam growing and taking over large areas/governments, Sunni caliphate Islamists within NATO, etc.

When men like David Wilkerson, Dumitri Dudaman,,TD Hale, John Paul Jackson, Henry Gruver, Rick Wiles, & countless others share the dreams & visions God gave them, I don't think they are peddling fear, but sharing the prophetic burden/vision as God ordained when He gave it to them by the Holy Spirit.,

I am not wanting to marginalize anything that you or Greg say, Jeff, so I won't. I am sure all these things will happen and probably even worse.

I will only add that many today have a full plate of suffering and lack before them already and must let tomorrow take care of itself while they are fully occupied with today, learning to seek God in the present for what they need. The only way to prepare for whatever tomorrow brings is by being faithful today in what God has placed before us in our lives. If we can't be faithful today in the "small things", we won't be faithful tomorrow in the "big things".

Jeremiah puts it so well.
Jer 12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

And Jesus doesn't do a bad job, Himself.

Matt 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

And Paul...
1Th 3:3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.
1Th 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

And Peter...
1Pet 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

1 Pet 4.

Let us take comfort in the Scriptures (Rom 15:4) and in knowing Christ and that He loves us and let's encourage one another to have confidence in Him and that He will speak to us and direct us in His time and at His choosing. Until then, nothing is stopping us from daily being the overcoming children of the Kingdom of God in which abides righteousness, peace and joy. (Romans 14:17)

Brothers while we are discussing the potential of an EMP. You might want to google search protocol Northern Thunder. This is a military operation that has been launched by Saudi Arabia and approximately 20 other Arab nations. Estimates range from several thousand tanks and airplanes, to approximately 350,000 troops. This is the largest military operation that has ever been held in that part of the region. This is being described as simply a military exercise.

However some are suggesting that this could be the prelude to an invasion by Saudi Arabia to the south and Turkey to the north of the country of Syria. The intention is to destabilize and overthrow the Assad regime. This regime is being backed up by Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah. The Russians have warned that any invasion of Syria could be construed as a declaration of war against Russia itself. Putin has threatened the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

Operation Northern Thunder started in the middle of February. It is set to conclude in about two or three days. Some are suggesting that if an invasion of Syria does take place. It will happen in the next 2 or 3 days.

Again somewhere saying that this would be the start of World War 3. In that it could draw the United States into direct conflict with Russia. And NATO as well.

For those of us that are looking at this from a prophetic viewpoint. This might be the start of the Ezekiel 38 & 39 war which would result in the invasion of Israel.

Interesting that much of the mainstream media is not reporting on this. Even Fox News. One would have to do an internet search. CNN has given some limited coverage of it. But probably the BBC and international news outlets are covering this far more than the American press is. It seems that the American press is interested in more of the antics of Donald Trump then the possibility of World War 3 breaking out. But then some have suggested World War 3 has already been in operation the last five years in Syria.

My share of the above with the understanding that ultimately our lives are in the hands of the Lord Jesus. My post is not meant to instill fear. But simply to point out whereas the threat of an EMP might lie somewhere in the immediate future. We could very well be looking at the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the Middle East perhaps in a few days.

Again simply my thoughts.

Bearmaster hunkering down in the bear den. But trusting in Jesus :-) :-) :-).

When you think so much about the future and prepare for it, everything in the present is lost.

I read an article about a prepper recently, (will try to find it), where he zealously prepped for 3 years and at the end of those 3 years, came to the realization that he missed 3 years of his life and his family's life. The article is much better than my synopsis.

With that said, I learned a valuable lesson from a hurricane that hit me 7 years ago. It is good to have 2-4 weeks on hand and be sure to put some away for guests (neighbors). Having 2-4 weeks on hand does not take that much out of your life and then you can go back to living in the present. Amen!

Brother Jay you are right. It never hurts to have some extra food and water on hand. I live in Little Rock Arkansas where we are impacted by tornadoes and ice storms. I remember one winter when a horrendous ice storm knocked out the entire electrical grid in Arkansas for several weeks. Those had no adequate resources were hard pressed. But those had adequate resources to last for a few days or even a few weeks came out well.

Point being it's always good to have extra food and water on hand for even natural disasters when they occur.

Bear

No I would not defend what I have to the death or anything, & would share, especially with the body of believers, as the Lord led.

And if/when whatever comes does come, don't be surprised if how the Lord provides for you is bringing you across someone (or a group) that's a believer with prophetic gifting whom God had them prepare well in advance for themselves & others, especially those in the household of faith.

And I can't say it enough times, I'm not talking fear or worry, but sobriety, discerning the signs of the times, & totally walking with, listening to, & trusting the Lord in truth in all things, now and especially as the day draws nearer.

And yes Blaine, this Northern Thunder "exercise" is pretty amazing in scope, focus, & participating nations. Even if it didn't end up being the event itself, it certainly looks like a precursor to what seems inevitable at
this point. Turkey & Russia have went to war with each other a handful of times in history. Look it up. And when you add the Sunni/Shia thing, the fact that Turkey is in NATO, that Russia & America have been saber rattling for awhile now, etc., this is a pretty interesting time we live in. Not trying to hyper-sensationalize it, but if you really are aware of a lot of what is going on, you know this will be a key pivotal point in world history when we are looking back at it, based on all that has & is going on right now.

Brothers the fact is there are global events that are taking place that warrant her attention. But as I said in a previous post the American press is more concerned about the antics of a certain billionaire running for president. Then the possibility of events that could lead to WWIII. To find out exactly what is going on in Syria I had to google other news outlets outside of the US.

So far this is the last day of February. I have seen no evidence of a Saudi / Turkish invasion of Syria. Perhaps the fragile ceasefire in Syria brokered by US / Russia may have something to do with this. Or the threat of a Russian response with tactical nuclear weapons may have cooled the jets of those wanting to launch such an invasion. Meanwhile ISIS continuous to launch its attacks. I get this feeling that we are sitting on a ticking time bomb.

However the American public and consequently the American church will continue to focus their eyes on the presidential election. And be mesmerized by the likes of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. The scary thing is one of these people could well become the Commander-in-Chief in November.

At this point. I rejoice that my faith rests in the Lord Jesus Christ who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. For that I say hallelujah!!!

Bear

Also there's the fact that a total economic crash (not the bear-market downturn we are already in now, but a total collapse) is imminent according to every real major serious expert in economics on earth, from the successful independent billionaire investors, to the trends forecasters, to the economics & history buffs, etc. And the historical pattern has always been that when economies truly free fall collapse, "they take you to war". This is the "military industrial complex". It is known that large scale wars take the eyes of the general populace off of the governments' failures to provide a "bad guy" & rally people to the cause of fighting. And war is hostorically generally good for overall economics long term. The whole world is in a debt situation never before seen in all of history. Such scenarios were the end of empires in days past (Ancient Rome, ancient Chinese, ancient Great Britian, etc.). I know that sounds like conspiracy theory to some, but if you really study history, it holds true throughout time. As the wisest man alive in his day, Solomon, said in Ecclesiastes, "There is nothing new under the sun. The things that have been shall be again."

And yes Blaine, the mainstream media news are a joke these days. The stuff Hitler's propaganda machine would have been proud of. Rick Wiles' "TruNews" is pretty good about getting the world news sufficiently reported. I don't always agree with Rick about every single thing, but overall He is spot on. And some things he stated I was kinda "I don't know about that?" On, time proved him out to be right on. But his research & news reporting staff is very good. Amazing the things in the world that get reported everywhere BUT the U.S. MSM these days.

Isa_59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

Jesus is the standard!

Satan is unleashing his flood of sin and deception and our safety and refuge is in the Ark of God (Jesus Christ).

Grateful for Jesus in this day and time! Let's be about the Master's business, snatching as many as we can out of the fire. What a great day we are living in! Many are fearful and looking for hope and way out of destruction and there is only One Way out.

There is no fear in the perfect love of God!

TMK,
I do think it's interesting that it was literally the next day after the last blood moon that Russia moved into Syria and told everyone else including the US to get out. Also, you may not be real tapped in weather what's going on with the actual economy, and the stock markets, about the dry index, manipulations within the market, etc. but the stock market had a huge disruption at exactly that time and was somehow manipulated because the active trading Index shows something that had never been seen before. Many times people claim that something is a "conspiracy theory" when they just really informed and educated on the subject. No offense, but it was right out about that point that these proxy wars started with all the major nuclear powers, And that's precisely when the economy via the stock market, trade indexes, etc. began a plunge who's chart mirrors that in the late 20s early 30s before the great depression in the great stock market crash up to this point . So if you're looking for "the purple people eaters" to come out of the clouds in order to think something happened", then you can continue to discount and discredit everything that's happening entirely. So if you're looking for "the purple people eaters" to come out of the clouds in order to think something happened", then you can continue to discount and discredit everything that's happening entirely. I think your aclawyer if I remember correctly? You should go to Michael Snyder's website on the economic collapse blog and just do some reading on pure data and statistical facts about the economy and then see if you have the same opinion.

To be fair and balanced, I don't believe in the "accidental view" of history. The "accidental view" of history posits that "no one knows why things happen, they just do." In a world that is ruled by power and greed, I believe evil men prefer predictable, controlled outcomes. Only thing is, they cannot control God so their plans don't always work out. Most conspiracies are theories until either proven fact or fallacious. I believe far more in the conspiratorial view of history than I do the accidental view. Similar to a Designer, creating the world, rather than an accident creating it. Many conspiracies turn out to be true, while others turn out to be fantasies and carefully placed distractions. Those who are involved in planning things in secret (conspiracy) are delighted that the term "conspiracy theorist", gives them cover of darkness because "conspiracy theorist" has become a derogatory term, to denigrate someone as crazy, loony. Yes, some turn out to be rubbish, but surely you know, some turn out to be fact. Figuring out which is which, is not always so easy. Some we don't find out as fact until 20-30 years later, when classified papers become unclassified.

I found this book very enlightening and you may like it, too.

The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R13NBCDG6LUWKS/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0961413506#R13NBCDG6LUWKS

Also TMK,
If you wanted to do some more research, people like Jim Rogers, Bill Holter, Jim Rickards, Neil Howe, Rob Kirby, Greg Manarino, Naomi Prins, Jim Willie, Bo Polny, Michael Pento, Peter Schiff, David Stockman, Chris Martinsen, Andy Hoffman, Jim Sinclair, Michael Snyder, David Stockman, Bix Weir, Charles Nenner, Gerald Celente, Ron Hollande, Graham Summers, Wayne Jett, Terry Sakka, William Engdahl, Dr Theodore Karasik, Dr. Stephen Caughlin, etc., etc. etc. are NOT all just "Conspiracy Theorist" nuts. They are internationally respected trends/cycles/Investments experts, Investigative journalists, ex-govt members who wrote studies for congressional hearings, lawyers who analyze macro-data, etc., etc. These aren't the "Alex Jones" of the world. I would just recommend that you Don't readily discredit that which you maybe aren't super informed on. I don't mean that sarcastically, but lovingly & gently.
God Bless!
Jeff

And Yes Julius,
I agree entirely. Fact is, I believe God has sent the mass reprobation & the delusion/stupor over our countries leaders & it is actually part of His judgements. God sets kings over nations, lifts them up & puts them down in His omniscient authority (regardless of what nationalistic patriotic American revolutionist mindset a have engrained in U.S.). I'm not dealing in fake conspiracies in this conversation, but facts. It was "conspiracy" in WW2 Germany that Jews were being put in ovens, & they in fact were.

And people go to prison all the time for "conspiracy to commit X Y Z crime", so conspiracy isn't synonymous with "false". Another great book is "Beotherhood of Darkeness" from Stanley Montcrief, a dear old brother who puts all the pieces together to show Satan is at the head of this world & its systems (all under the sovereignty of God for a season until Christ returns & puts an eternal End to it all).

The Jews conspired to railroad Jesus and kill Him.

Hitler conspired to invade Poland, while telling the ambassador from Great Britain that he would not.

The list goes on and on.
Fast and Furious
IRS and Conservative non-profit groups
Plot to coverup email server in a bathroom
Plotting (conspiracy) to bring in illegals from various nations (under the radar).
Obamacare plot (you can keep your plan and your doctor and it will be more affordable).

Conspiracies are lies and plots to deceive people until it is too late to stop the plan.

How many conspiracies have already been found out in this present administration, though they are not being made culpable for them. And once again, to be fair, both parties plot and conspire. That is why I find it so difficult to believe you can be a President and a Christian at the same time. A true Christian would not plot, conspire and use CIA, NSA, FBI in covert operations to spy on others and undermine them, oftentimes resulting in death or a new war. If people want to vote, fine, but they should at least stop deluding themselves into thinking they are voting in a Christian.

Interesting article from USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/01/20/irs-scandal-obama-donald-korb-tea-party-column/4647671/

Yep, I believe so, TMK. Aliens definitely! I've got my laser gun ready and green paint (disguise myself) to confuse them.

Any intelligence agency will put out bogus stories, too. Even the bogus stories serve their other purposes. The Aliens do the same thing. ;-)

Purple people eaters. Lol.

Yes, Julius. The official CIA term is "disinformation". Hitler just called it propaganda.

That's why facts, statistical data, history, & expert witness testimony is important in deciphering "truth".

And these largely secular expert opinions line up perfectly with the true prophetic words, dreams & visions of men/women of God for many years now about what is coming. Coincidence? I think not.

Good point Abideinhim. Great book too.

I will say that I do believe that in this day and hour that God will answer our prayers and move mountains for the sake of his saints however that looks and place out in each specific instance may be different. However, I also believe that the Lord has decreed judgments that are coming to this nation that at this point will not be averted or avoided. I believe they have been decreed from heaven and this is something that the Lord has even given certain Saints a leading not to pray against part, for it is his will. Not that we should not and cannot pray for the Lord's will and work to be done in the midst of it, but not to preferred to "just go away". I believe there are a lot of reasons for this, and not the least of which is the abortion of 70 million babies, which the Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood. I believe that the apathy and the apostate leanings of much of the mainstream church in America is a large contributor to this as well. I believe that a country that has redefined marriage and called right wrong and wrong right is a huge contributor as well. And I believe that when you read the judgments deCreed in Romans 1, the modern Western world and America specifically fit this to a T. I believe that many of these judgments at this point are "irreversible". You can and may certainly disagree with me on that, but that's what I believe with all my heart soul and spirit. But I also believe that the revival that many have been praying for and evangelizing for for many years will be realized in the midst of these judgments and away they would not otherwise. If you have spent any serious time witnessing, evangelizing, preaching the gospel in the open air, etc. you know that in the quiet place in your closet you have prayed for the Lord to breakthrough in this country, and we have not seen that in any real widespread major move of God that one could call "revival" in any real sense, at least not here in America. But I am convinced that when everything America stands on and realize in shaken to the core, reality will set in and ways that are bad, but will also open the doors for the gospel to penetrate what would be otherwise distracted hearts. I long not for judgement, but for that type of receptivity to the Gospel!

Acts 11:
27 Now in these days, prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. 28 One of them named Agabus stood up, and indicated by the Spirit that there should be a great famine all over the world, which also happened in the days of Claudius. 29 As any of the disciples had plenty, each determined to send relief to the brothers who lived in Judea; 30 which they also did, sending it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

by jeffmar1130 on 2016/2/29 15:07:30

Purple people eaters. Lol.

Yes, Julius. The official CIA term is "disinformation". Hitler just called it propaganda.

That's why facts, statistical data, history, & expert witness testimony is important in deciphering "truth".

And these largely secular expert opinions line up perfectly with the true prophetic words, dreams & visions of men/women of God for many years now about what is coming. Coincidence? I think not.

The gift of the Holy Spirit is indispensable. He will not lead us astray.

by TMK on 2016/2/29 15:17:11

Hey guys, I am not so naive as to not believe that "things" are not being run by power interests outside of government. I like to call them the men in the dark glasses. I just have a hard time believing they would let little Iran decimate the US with a satellite weapon. I mean, don't you think we are on guard for such things?

I would like to think nations would enforce their borders, too (EU, America).

The other thing to think about is that there are globalists that think the ideal population of the world should be 500 million and that it is over populated, now. So, to some people, wiping out entire nations is on the table.

TMK,
I totally understand your skepticism concerning the EMP. Just do some research online and I think you can actually read the Congressional report concerning the EMP. The fact is, from what I understand from these research findings, is that either a satellite from above somewhere in space, where countries like North Korea Iran china and Russia are offloading out these mysterious satellites these days, or a submarine along either coast can just fire any type of a clear weapon undetected at high-altitude over the US but when it goes off it completely fries everything with an electronic circuit including our grid in the entire country. Even people like Mike Huckabee and others have said this is the greatest threat to national security in our nations history. There's a guy name William Fortschen or something that actually wrote some Fictitious novels based on his reading of these reports of what it would be like "the day after" an EMP was deployed. And if you listen to the testimonies of people like admiral Ace Lyons and others who were essentially driven out of the high levels of the military buddy Obama administration, they would tell you this is the biggest and greatest threat to our country and everyone of our enemies knows it .

by sermonindex on 2016/2/29 15:26:25

Acts 11:
27 Now in these days, prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. 28 One of them named Agabus stood up, and indicated by the Spirit that there should be a great famine all over the world, which also happened in the days of Claudius. 29 As any of the disciples had plenty, each determined to send relief to the brothers who lived in Judea; 30 which they also did, sending it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

Notice that the "disciples had plenty" while there was a "great famine all over the world". Not a bad thing to save up a few months worth of supplies. People today would have called them "Preppers".

5 billion - growing middle class will strain resources

1 billion - people in social networks will rewire business and personal boundaries

20 billion - By 2020, 2 billion people connected to 20b devices with a trillion sensors

Data Doubling - every 18 months

Markets are shifting, but so is society and governments. Governments are actually fearful of open communication and networks world-wide. I predict a clamp-down and more surveillance.

The Smart phone has disrupted 100s of companies. Before the smartphone you had an alarm clock, camera, navigation system in our car, handheld calculators, video recorders, radios, TVs, VCRs, etc, etc. The companies that supplied these other products were disrupted. Even less Personal Computers are being sold with all the apps available on Smartphones. Order a taxi, check a menu at the restaurant, making an appointment. People spend less time on their PCs. The lines between work and home have become blurred as people seem to be tethered to their smartphone by an invisible cable. You can create your own advertising for free and it has the potential online to be viewed by more people than a traditional TV commercial.

Also, many types of jobs are becoming obsolete.

Great opportunity for entrepreneurs, but great opportunity for the nefarious, too.

Digital transformation won't just drive significant business improvements, but will also drive big brother and surveillance. Big Brother is loving the Digital Transformation Age but Big Brother knows that he has to be the one controlling every part of it.

What is needed for Digital Transformation? Cloud computing, Big Data and Real Time Analytics, Mobile and Networks.

EMP would wipe out all of these and thus would wipe out Big Brother's control. Anarchy would be the result and Big Brother would be destroyed along with everything else in society.

So, you can bet Big Brother will do everything to not let that happen.

Julius,
Yeah it's very interesting when you talk to economics and investment specialists who really understand the data and the cycles of world markets throughout history, they will tell you that demographics are the biggest indicator and determinator of economies. I would say that the fact that something coming too ahead in the world in reference to economies and war is a certainty at this point. And I would also say that God's will and provision for and care for his church and the expansion of his kingdom as he sovereignly wills, is also a certainty at this point!

How would you go about qualifying and quantifying sin in the world as the fault of Christ's Body? You would then be saying that the Body of Christ is the source of the sin (at least in my humble way of thinking).

by TMK on 2016/2/29 20:44:31

Well we hear rhetoric that the church is at least partially to blame for the sinfulness of the US.

On the other hand, how bad might things be if not for the church?

And as others have pointed out if scripture says everything is going to get worse and worse, how is the church to blame?

Well, rhetoric is rhetoric, not exactly a light in the darkness. But, what does the Word say?

1Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

We (the Church) are to blame for our own sin.

When someone asks you, "What is this world coming to", just reply, "an end". You have read the last book in the Bible, so you know that things will get worse and worse until Christ returns and when He returns...it's all over. No more dispensations in which to come to Christ.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Let me rephrase so we understand the terms being used sorry (my bad). I am referring to the "harlot church". The apostate church. That which uses God's name "in vain". And also even some level of responsibility for the backslidden true bride at ease in Zion. And the fact is, there is some level of silent complicity even from true believers who aren't grieved for the sins around them, & are silent in the face of it. I believe This principle is seen in several of the OT prophetic books (Ezekiel & others) & in Revelation (mark the foreheads of those that are grieved at the sin around them).

But ultimately I believe the nation will be judged for its using God's name while "the majority" uses it "in vain" & blasphemes His name by how they live. And this principle was true in the OT as well. Yes, there was always a remnant present, but God still sent judgements.

And the murder/slaughter of almost 70 million babies in this nation is a stench that goes up before God's nostrils daily and will not be ignored forever. The "skirt has been lifted up to expose the shame" in many ways recently in the planned parenthood baby part videos & other things. And "the gospel light" taught in so many pulpits today & "the people love to have it so." And the fact that a recent anonymous poll (Barna or Gallup I think) among PASTORS revealed that well more than HALF of pulpit preaching pastors are viewing pornography regularly. And besides the rampant homosexuality, we don't even want to discuss the pedophilia, child trafficking, etc. taking place in "the land of the free".

I know it's a conglomeration of things, & I don't pretend to fully understand the heart/mind of God on all these things. But I do know judgement is coming & the Lord has decreed it, & All His ways & judgements are good. And that it will be used to awaken some to stop backsliding & will get the attention of others to turn to Christ & be saved (& others will gnash their teeth, shake their fists at the heavens & will not repent).

God the Father chastises His sons, but the Church is not appointed into wrath.

A distinction must be made between persecution and judgment. The church will undergo persecution in the end times. Judgment will be upon those who did not know the Lord Jesus Christ.

My thoughts.

Bear

True, wrath on the unbeliever (children of the flesh) and correction/chastisement on the true sons (children of the spirit).

1Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Those who are in Christ, (that means you are presently abiding in Him), are 'made safe' (salvation) from God's wrath.

Sure, I agree wholeheartedly. But the affects of judgement around us sometimes affect us as well. The rain falls on the just and the unjust. But technically, yes, God's wrath isn't directed at the believer, though chastisement for the purpose of correction is (for their own eternal good). Agreed

Ha. I'll post something you should read. Just curious TMK - where do you get your news?

by jeffmar1130 on 2016/3/1 10:02:16

Sure, I agree wholeheartedly. But the affects of judgement around us sometimes affect us as well. The rain falls on the just and the unjust. But technically, yes, God's wrath isn't directed at the believer, though chastisement for the purpose of correction is (for their own eternal good). Agreed

Yes, it is true that wrath poured out on the ungodly, may bring more persecution to the godly.

God is well aware of this, but the Church should not precipitate persecution by mixing with the world and legislating God's laws upon them, when we full well know that spiritual regeneration is the only solution.

We waste precious time, employing the world's ways and leaning upon the arm of the flesh and then are astonished when the world turns on us. I would rather have them turn on me for the sake of the Gospel.

Any new updates on Operation Northern Thunder?

So let me be clear Julius,
You're saying to vote for a prolife candidate against a pro-murder candidate is wrong? We only preach the Gospel (which is good), but just let the murder of babies go uncontested? No way. William Carey was the first foreign missionary outside of Adonirum Judson. Carey went to India (Judson to Myanmar/Burma) & saw tremendous fruit. His son Felix later broke through to China. He saw the practice of "Satey" (burning alive of Hindu widows) & the Lord GREATLY grieved & moved him. He continued to preach & later translate, but God used him to abolish Satey because his prayers, activism, & speech were focused on it. Same with George Muller & Charles Spurgeon on orphans. They were both criticized by the theological
Purists of their day for not "focusing on the Gospel" only. They both shrugged those criticisms off and were used greatly of God in their day in these areas (& used the government options of the day to accomplish it too). I understand our trust is ultimately in God, but taken to a "purist extreme" theologically, I believe one can paint with too broad a brush & not do what they can do.

I believe WW3 has actually already begun the initial stages through all the proxy wars. Saying I checked Fox News & saying "no WW3 today" is like checking one day of the stock market in 1928 or 1938 and saying, "stocks are up today, everything is fine", IMHO

Check the two Middle East news report posts I just put up Bear

TMK,
Well you're the one that said "I checked the news and..." That's why I asked - FYI.
Thanks,
Jeff

So let me be clear Julius,
You're saying to vote for a pro-life candidate against a pro-murder candidate is wrong? We only preach the Gospel (which is good), but just let the murder of babies go uncontested?

No, let me be the one that clears this up so you don't have to be left with putting words in my mouth.

I am saying that if a Christian has faith to vote (an OK from the Lord) then vote, for whatever is not of faith is sin. I do not have the faith that you have.

As far as issues go, I could spend my life involved in the affairs and issues of this world and maybe that is why I don't have the faith to get involved. I prefer to pour out my life for the preaching of the Gospel. I want to be used to change the hearts of men, not the laws of the land. Maybe God has chosen you and others for that, I do not know. I only know that the Lord is not allowing me to get involved in politics. I tried one time and I grieved the Holy Spirit, terribly.

I am not taking anything to the extreme or being a "purist", and I am not criticizing you. I am only obeying the Lord in my life. You should continue to do what you think the Lord is leading you to do. I don't know why individual Christians want to marshall the entire Church to do what they think the Lord has called them to do. And, frankly God is not calling me to give any of my attention to politicians (none of which I trust) or the unending problems in this world. All the problems in the world stem from sin, and I am content to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. I don't presume to know God's will for your life or anyone else's. Please don't read into my comments that I am in favor of sin.

Ok, I guess I mis-understood your previous statements, sorry.

And just for the record, I felt the Lord definitely leading me NOT to vote in the last 2 elections (& I took a ton of flack from some for that), based on the choices. And the general election may not be any different this time (I will pray about it when the time comes if it turns out to be Trump vs Hillary). But in the primaries, I personally feel there is one candidate that actually has a chance & stands on principle & for the hints I believe in (for the most part, not everything) & can vote for in good conscience, so I will.

But let each do as they feel led, for sure. I'm just sharing what I see/discern based on the current situation, since this is a forum & everyone is openly sharing their thoughts. The only time I get "excited" a little is when scripture is misapplied. 😊

God Bless!

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