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I am a baby boomer in my mid sixties. I grew up during the duck and cover times of the fifties and sixties. For my millennial brothers and sisters these were times where we were taught that in the event of a nuclear attack by the Russians. We were to get under our school desk and cover our heads. This is what was known as duck and cover. Of course we kind of smile when we see the archival footage of school age children during that time engaging in such drills. As if that would protect one during a nuclear attack.

Growing up during the Cold War is an innocent child I never knew how perilously close we came to nuclear war during the 1960s. At that time the Russians had put missiles in Cuba. And Kennedy had ordered the blockade around Cuba. There was about two weeks in Oct. of 1962 when the world perilously came close to a nuclear war. But as a child I did not realize it in my innocence.

My uncle, volunteered for the Civil Defence, went to the meetings. He came back with Geiger counters which were to be used in the event of a nuclear attack. The funny thing was we did not have a bomb shelter.

I share this because the reality of nuclear war was real then. At least real to my aunt and uncle that raised me. But as a kid I was not thinking of such things. Let alone the state of my soul.

Now at the tender young age of 64 I see the world in a state that it was never in even during the Cold War. I see the rise of evil and the rise of darkness across the planet. And I see also the greater threat of nuclear war on the horizon.

Vladimir Putin has already indicated that he will use tactical nukes in Syria if Turkey and the Saudi Arabian coalition invade. This will probably draw the United States into a nuclear confrontation with Russia. And this could result in a nuclear exchange.

Jesus says we are not to be frightened of such things. For these things must come. But as I reflected on the posts by Neil and Jeff about visions of mushroom clouds. I am reminded that the threat of nuclear war is very close in our age.

I have respect Henry Gruver. This is a brother who is given over to serious prayer Walking. He has walked in many nations in this world praying over those countries. In the 1980s he had a vision in which Russia launched a nuclear attack on America. Also China I believe was involved in the attack. As against the backdrop of today's events. I don't think that these visions should be minimized by this dear brother.

As Jeff mentioned other saints are also having visions of America coming under nuclear attack. I cannot help but think that this is a judgment of God.

Obviously we are not to give into fear. But if anything according to 1st Peter 4:7 we are to be of sober spirit and sound judgment for the purpose of prayer. We should be praying for the American church to wake up. And to live out the reality of Jesus in their hearts. We need to be praying for an enduring church. Not in escaping church. We need to be praying for a church that will embrace the cross. And not the false teaching of a pre trib rapture. We need to be praying for a church that will endure. We need to be praying for a church that will overcome. We need to be praying for a church that will go through the fires of persecution and affliction. And emerge as if you were Bride of Christ. We need to be praying for a church that will be seeking to bring the hope of Christ to the lost.

At this point I do believe nuclear war will come in my lifetime. That being the case. I see more than ever and urgency to be about the things of Christ. Thus I praying more than ever to keep my eyes on Jesus during these times.

God grant that we all be seeking Jesus where He may be found in the dark times. And cleave as unto Him like never before.

Posted by Blaine Scogin.

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Yeah, amen Blaine.

Some comments come to mind based on different parts of your post:

Interesting that among all the famous ministers who have had dreams & visions & among those I know personally who have. There have been saints who have seen Russia, China, Iran & North Korea in on it. With the recent formation of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, etc.) & the recent teaming up of Russia & Iran, & NKorea's recent tests, supposed nuclear/atomic breakthroughs, submarine, etc. I can now see how all of these could merge. Especially if you look at international/foreign news. The USA is still largely "proud" of how we act as a nation (militarily & diplomaticly) in the world, but our country's "skirt is being lifted up" in the world lately & those nations that despise us (& not without good reason in a lot cases - we export & force now not only our porn, but our policy of abortion on demand, "gay marriage", tranvestitism, letting homosexuals adopt children, etc. & tell foreign countries if they don't, we will pull funding, & we fund & support terrorist organizations while acting like we are fighting against them, etc.). Some People are tired of "the big bully", & after "the Arab spring", wonder if our top level plans are to do the same to their country & topple them like we did Mubarak/Egypt, Sadam/Iraq, Khadafi/Libya, tried/trying to Assad/Syria, etc. - there was CIA/USA involvement with plan & purpose in all of this. Putin has called this out & stated plainly Russia will not allow it anymore with their allies or on their borders without full scale nuclear war. I think he means it.). Go & watch the recent UN meeting speeches between Putin & Obama & look at what Russia has done & said from Putin to their top military commanders in the last 1-2 years. They call us "the new Nazi regime". Which maybe sounds ludicrous to us at first, but if you really look into All that we have done in recent years, & how, & ask "why?", it actually is worthy of thought. The lies at top level US govt have always been there, but it's so rampant, blatant, & downright sinful (we aided/protected the Turkish/ISIS oil line funding network in Iraq/Syria that has led to the massacring & fleeing of thousands upon thousands of Christians, yazidis, & even other Muslims!).

And yes, Christ is coming back for a bride "without spot, wrinkle, or blemish." It is my prayer that the Lord do whatever it takes in my life NOW to conform me into His image without my hindrance/obstruction, so that I am a bride who made herself ready, chaste, pure, & holy dedicated to the bridegroom.

Again my point also is not to promote fear, but sobriety. I know this is why the Lord has shown me personally these things knowing my propensity in my flesh to drift off course, & I know I am not alone in this & that He has led me to share for the same purpose for others' sake.

May the Lord lead us all to follow hard after Him with all of our heart, mind, soul & strength in these days like never before. And let us be & stay sober, alert, watchful to prayer, pure & holy, & faithful in our witness & our proclamation of the evangelistic everlasting Gospel of the Kingdom of God to everyone we can while we can, for His Glory, His Power, His Kingdom, & compel them to come in that His house may be full!

In Christ Alone,
Jeff

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Just curious...why is every evil thing done in this world by man considered judgment from God!?

I don't see that theology in the Early Church or the Church through the Dark Ages. They were brutally tortured.

Pol Pot in the "Killing Fields", was that judgment from God?

Mao Tse Tung's purge of 60 million, Stalin's purge, Hitler's decimation of humanity...America's nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...do you credit all of these to God's judgment?

Or, when Christians are tortured and killed it is just persecution but when unbelievers are tortured and killed it is judgment from God. Believers were cremated in the ovens during WWII.

Do evil men get any credit for any of this destruction? Can you see how we have some confusing theologies, today attributing so many things to "God's judgment"?

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Let me ask you a question also Julius:

When America as a nation has:
1.) Imported pornography & filth around the world
2.) Accepted & imported Gay Marriage around the world
3.) Accepted & promoted transvestitism around the world
4.) Murdered almost 70 million babies in the womb & promoted this around the world
5.) Used the military & CIA to covertly fire up the Arab spring & topple dictators all over the Middle East only to create vacuums where much worse & murderous regimes take power & oppress & slaughter the people.
6.) Backdoor protected/aided ISIS in their reign of terror in slaughter tens of thousands (notice they all are driving Hum-Vees, American trucks brought out of Houston seaports, have American military clothing/gear, etc.).
7.) Imported the "prosperity" & "self-help" "gospels" around the world
8.) Refused to call Islamic Terrorism by name, protecting Islam, while punitive discharging a military officer for having a Bible verse on her computer, taking crosses off of foreign encampment tents so as not to offend, weeding out top level military Christian officers of rank over the last several years, luring to the public about who our real enemies as a nation are, etc.
Etc., etc., etc.

Do you think America (as a whole, as a nation) is less deserving of judgement than the Roman Empire? Or Sodom & Gomorrah? Make no mistake about it: it is God's judgement coming to America. The devil can do nothing under the sovereign hand of God that doesn't "cross God's desk". And yes, having studied WW2 era Israel, the pre-Pol Pot Cambodia, etc. I have some thoughts on that too. But for now, just tell me why you think America isn't/won't come under divine judgement for the amassed quantity of her son's before heaven?

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And FYI - And ultimately I believe it in this specific case (America) because I believe the Lord has very clearly spoken it (repeatedly & confirmedly through many of His servants, the prophets) through the Holy Spirit.

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As a rule, yes, the rain falls on the just & the unjust. But in specific particulars, yes, the Lord does as HE pleases & as is right in His eyes, & does nothing without first warning His servants, the prophets.

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Jeff,

The entire world is already under judgment since the advent of Christ. Unlike the Hebrew nation of Israel, God is not preserving a physical people group today. He is not preserving a nation. He is preserving a spiritual group of people in each generation, His remnant. The people of God are lights that shine in the darkness and we are to bring the Gospel to all men.

The world is already under condemnation and will be judged and we (the Church) are being judged now so that we are not condemned with the world.

1Cor 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

The Early Church understood quite clearly that their calling was not to improve the morality or living conditions of the world, but rather to proclaim a King and a Kingdom that is diametrically opposed to this world. To love not their lives unto the death. As a Church we have lost that vision and become "earth dwellers", desiring to use Jesus Christ to improve political systems and our way of living in this world.

That is mixture and you can't mix the Gospel with politics or anything in this world that is opposed to Christ. The political systems of this world will use the Church to their own advantage and then spit you out, when you are no longer useful. The Kingdom of God and man's systems cannot co-exist. The fact that Christians want them to co-exist is very troubling and is bringing judgment on the Church, not the world. As 1 Cor 11:32 explains, we will be judged for our mixture (worldliness, sin, spiritual fornication) with the world so that we are not condemned with it.

Christians are running around fanatically talking about the world being judged when in fact the Church is being judged for their unholy alliance, and spiritual fornication with the world. The Church is misplacing the conversation, in focusing on all the bad things in the world (duh!) when they should be focusing on themselves and what God is speaking TO THEM. The world is "easy pickens", meaning it is always easy to take pot shots at the world for they will always be going the way of the flesh and we can always be engaged in fighting the world with the arm of the flesh and calling down the judgment of God on them. Sin does abound, but God wants us to know that grace will abound more if we divorce ourselves from the world and put our selves in a spiritual position to receive His grace. The Church has put themselves in a position today where they have turned away from the grace of God and become fearful of living in this fallen world, because they see their lives (lifestyle) slipping away. They are now engaged in using all of fallen man's devices to preserve their lives.

We will see revival when the Church receives the chastisement from the Lord and comes out of Babylon.

It is way past time to repent and come out of Babylon. Stop focusing on the evil in the world and start focusing on the will of God (Gospel) and the souls of men.

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Julius,
I agree with at least most of what you said wholeheartedly. But again, taken to its extreme over interpretation, I can't even be on the PTA, or coach my kids soccer team, because it's worldly & it will pass away. That's overstating it. To say I "CANT VOTE" or I'm in sin compromising with Babylon is over-stating/over-interpreting these scriptures, I believe. And whether you can get your current theological paradigm around it or not, I know what the Lord has spoken & am perfectly comfortable saying that God is going to judge America in a historic fashion. Yes, the whole world stands condemned before God. I get that. We are not Israel. I get that too. But God is going to display his judgement on this land for the abominations I already listed, & at the same time being a "revival" move of God in the midst of those judgements like not seen in recent history either. I believe that. And some of it may be to awaken much of the church that is asleep/backslidden. I just know what the Lord ha clearly spoken & I am comfortable with that. Even "All His judgements are good".
God Bless,
Jeff

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Brother Jeff.

When you get some time you may want to read, "Love Not the World", by Watchman Nee. He gives a very good balanced teaching on the world and "handling" the things of the world and engaging with it.

God bless you.

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I believe I have read that years ago, or parts of it. Thanks! Again, I don't disagree about not loving the world, not trusting in man, not living as though we weren't pilgrims when we are, etc. I have an understanding of these things. How far one takes it in interpretation is the key where the rubber meets the road. Should I refuse a management promotion because this world is passing away? Should I be selling things that won't last eternally? Again, I agree with you entirely. In fact, I didn't vote for the last 8 years. This is taking the OP off its original course, but I was just questioning the gullibility/discernment/judgement of many professing believers. I gotta go away for awhile (& stay away). 😊 God Bless!

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And I was confusing the posts/threads sorry. But as far as Nuclear War, Judgement & what the Lord has shown ME specifically: someone else's theological paradigm/interpretation may make valid points, but doesn't change what the Lord showed/spoke plainly & clearly to me. In the same way that "theologians" of Agabus' day could have stood up & quoted scripture on "just trust the Lord..." don't worry about what you will eat, etc. but in their quest for their own theological purity would have missed the prophetic Word of the Lord, to their own (& the saints in Jerusalem's) demise. Gotta go for real. Taking a break from these forums. God Bless!

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We all believe what we want until the Lord makes it crystal clear.

The Church is being judged according to the Word of God and God's faithfulness and yet the reaction of most is to fix the world thinking that judgment will go away if they can just make the world more moral, while the reaction of a few is to repent and "come out of her".

A new round of chastisement is on its way, because the Church is failing to see it God's way. The Church is going all out now to vote in a man who will save their lifestyle.

Changing men's hearts through the Gospel is the only thing that has ever improved societies, yet that is not the reason the Gospel is preached. It is only a side effect/benefit.

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Again, the generalized statements you are saying are broad brush & not entirely true.

If/when I go vote, it WILL NOT BE to preserve my lifestyle! It will be, among other things, TO HAVE A CHANCE through supreme Court Appointments & direct influence to STOP (or at least limit/slow) THE DAILY MURDER of babies!!!

And to protect our religious freedoms. If they go away, fine. I will not stop sharing the Gospel or Biblical truth. But should I "hope" for or "choose" persecution? No. "If they persecute you in one place, shake the dust off your feet & go to another" - Jesus to the disciples. Was Jesus telling the disciples to "maintain a persecution free lifestyle at all costs"? No. But I digress

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And the vision & word the Lord gave me was pretty clear to me - FYI

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there are about 10,000 movies from the 50s onwards about nuclear war and its aftermaths. "Panic in the Year Zero" with Ray Milland was especially chilling, at least to me.

My point is that there has always always always been threats and fear of nuclear war since Russia got the bomb.

Since it hasn't happened yet, of course it is natural to say it might happen, like we have for the past 65 years.

I think we have more to fear from a small but nasty "dirty bomb" than all out nuclear annihilation. As Spock would say, that is not logical. I don't think that Russia and the USA will end life on earth as we know it over Syria or Turkey.

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Whether nukes, EMP, hatred, or persecution, the jews, Israel, and christians are in the order of battle as prime targets of the prince of darkness.

Warnings have been sent through the ages how it will be, and how we should conduct ourselves as people of the living God. Our hearts indeed groan, but for now I would say shalom for Jerusalem and for the church, Let us be still and know that the God of Abraham is the one true God and our Rock through the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Jeff,

And the vision & word the Lord gave me was pretty clear to me - FYI

I haven't been keeping up with recent forum threads. Can you link me to the post where you shared this?

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I have no logical arguments on this topic but I do have what I believe was from the Lord by revelation. Russia probably will not directly attack the US, they will , or have already, sold ICBM type long range missiles to Iran, ultimately that is who our attackers will be, at the same time as Australia is attacked, both attacks will come from the Ocean, my best guess is a submarine initiated attack with the missiles bought from Russia. There are some conditions that will be in play. The US will be drawn into a war with North Korea as the Lord sets a hook in the jaw of America and pulls us into that war, North Korea will start the trouble by shooting a gun that China has supplied, and loaded( metaphorically speaking). So that too will be an indirect attack so to speak. We will be distracted by this and that will open us to the Iranian attack. There will be some noticeable weather conditions present before the mainland attack also, which I won't go into.

Various US agencies will have knowledge of the developments of these pieces of the puzzle: Russia selling to Iran, North Korea selling to Iran and some information on back channel communication that proves China is backing North Korea even while condemning them publically. All the while we will be helpless to do anything about it because we no longer have any walls of God s protecting grace around this country.

There is much that will happen before these though and those things will prove to be as much if not more damaging to America than a nuke on the East coast and one falling way short on the West coast.

Isa 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

As followers of The Lord we do have a sure shelter and nothing to fear. Jesus said Jhn 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

I am convinced that in the same way the 3 Hebrew children were untouched by the fires in the book of Daniel as they walked free with The Son of God, we also can have bestowed on us that same grace and kindness from the Lord even in the middle of any attack, even if we find ourselves in the middle of a nuke at ground zero, protected and free with Jesus walking with us in the midst of the flames. What an awesome God!!!

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Blaine,

I can relate to the fear felt by your uncle and aunt during the cold war. This war was followed by the protests of radicals against our countrys' involvement in the Vietnam war. These protests included the bombing of buildings, the use of molotov cocktails, riots, sit-ins, demonstrations. Once in a while some brave historian will describe this era as a time of civil war in the USA.

But the unrest we had experience back then is fresh on the minds of people who lived through that era. The world has gotten worser since.

The book of Revelation speaks of calamities, judgments brought about because of sin all with the purpose of forcing people to rethink their relationship with God, hoping to bring them to repentance.

We are told in Romans 13:3 that "rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil". When we see they are the perpetrators of evil we pause and consider Revelation. What makes our era so much more accountable is because of widespread knowledge of the Bible and the rejection of the same.

My understanding.

Sandra

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Yuehan,
I believe I shared it in the midst of the now locked Donald Trump thread

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Dohzman-

No offense intended at all but it is amazing how you know all this and the US operatives do not. Do think they will just stand by and allow the US to be attacked by nukes?

I hate to sound so naive but if it was as easy as you say it would have happened already.

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Just watch. We only see in media what they want us to see. So just be patient and watch. The nukes BTW will come as a surprise, Iran buying missiles from Russia I reported several years ago, I think 06 or 07?....that's already happened. Thats has recently been reported...Reuters News is a decent source for current world news, still secular though.

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I once again I ask if what you say is true (i.e. "You know") then how could it be a surprise? Are you saying you are the only person who knows this? If so you might want to give the Pentagon a ring. Better be safe than sorry.

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I don't know anything about the one sharing, but I totally could see that scenario. The pentagon & military wargame for all these possible scenarios at some point, but "surprise" means it started undetected. I could totally see it being possible/plausible. Just like how Russia surfaced undetected nuclear subs in the Gulf of Mexico a couple years ago & stayed long enough to say/show "we are here & have been here undetected". Those things are statements. Interesting too that this type scenario is what many of the true prophets I listed previously (David Wilkerson, TD Hale, Henry Gruver, Dimitri Duduman, etc.) described, some with more specific detail than others.

Similarly to ancient Israel, America is proud & trusts in her own might (save the responses & articles that explain how the USA isn't Israel & theirs a new covenant, I am FULLY aware of ALL of that, trust me please). 9/11 was a "breach in the wall" & a warning to the inhabitants of the USA (especially a prophetic cry to the church within her) to wake up. That's why Rick Wiles was on the radio in 1999 sharing that God spoke to him & wanted him to say, "judgement begins on September 11th". When that didn't happen on Sept 11, 2000, MANY people mocked, scoffed & called him a false prophet. But on sept 11, 2001, his phone was ringing off the hook from people who heard him share that word. On that day, I wAs driving around delivering for our business, looking into the sky, fasting, praying, & asking the Lord, "Is this it Lord? Is this what you have me a sense of coming (the Lord began burdening me about these things shortly after my original conversion 2.5 years earlier while reading the Word & praying). Is more coming now?

So while I know there are a lot of "wannabe prophets" out there trying to make a name for themselves on YouTube, be careful about totally disregarding every prophetic word of warning.

"We see in part, & we prophesy in part.." (1 Corinthians 13)

"Do not despise prophetic utterances..." (1 Thessalonians 5:20-21)

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I view prophetic words through the Word of God and by the Spirit, not emotionalism or fear mongering. The Church for far too long has been led by emotions and self-preservation and been taken advantage of by false prophets for their own gain and not by the Word of God.

2Pet 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

It is not the Christian ideal to put human experiences above God’s actual word to us contained in His scriptures? The apostles gave us the perfect example about how nothing trumps scripture in authority. 2 Peter 1:16-21 tells us about when the apostles had heard what was UNDENIABLY the voice of God on the mountain. Here is how they reacted: "18 we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Did they elevate their experience higher than the written word? No, they all affirmed that as remarkable as that experience may have been, no human experience comes anywhere close to the written word in authority.

And what is even less accurate than a human’s dreams? The dreams of a human who has been wrong in the past and already exposed himself as a false prophet.

1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

There are a lot of people today scaring the sheep with false prophecies and false visions. Reminds me of the fear mongering prophets of Baal. Jeremiah had something to say about this.

Jer 23:25 "I have heard what the (False Watchmen)prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’

Jer 14:14 And the Lord said to me, "The(FALSE) prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.

Jer 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvptiDOgxxI

There are literally thousands of false prophets in America today, that see the Church as a rich and fertile ground to enhance their own riches.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/fprophets.html

Rick Wiles claims to have prophesied 911. He will have to stand in a long line of Christian leaders who merchandise their "special revelations and insights” as to what is prophesied in the bible. Here is a link to his website "store.” WOW!!! Big business, warning the church of impending doom...but you will have to pay!

http://www.voe.org/store/

Some of the DVDs he is peddling as "secret” revelation from God are going for as much as $50. "Hey buddy, I’ve got the truth, but it’ll cost ya.” I think he deserves very close scrutiny and discernment must be applied..

Jeff, 1Th 5:20 says. "Despise not prophesyings", not "Do not despise prophetic utterances". I hope you are not peddling your wares (dreams and visions) here. You said you were a salesman, right? So, you have to be even more careful.

NT prophecy is much different than OT prophecy where OT prophecy foretold the future. NT prophecy is not about foretelling the future, but it sure is a lot safer since you don't get stoned for being a false prophet. Today, if your dream or vision falls within a couple of years you are regarded as a seer a prophet a man of God and can keep raking in the mammon from the sheep.

Way too many false prophets today and the church should stop paying into their coffers and run them out.

Jer 5:30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

A warning given for the generation just before Christ’s return

During His earthly ministry Christ described conditions in the last days just before His return to earth in glory to set up His Kingdom. He said FALSE PROPHETS would ABOUND and would have power to show great counterfeit miracles that would almost deceive even the faithful. "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand” (Matthew 24:24-25).

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The false does not make the true false. Through out the baby with the bath water if you want. You'll have to throw away a lot of the Word of God (especially the New Testament) to do that, to your own error.

Cessationism is false. Plain & simple.

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I agree what you say about cessationism. No argument, there.

Be careful what you prophecy, people are watching and testing the spirits.

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The whole idea of a Christian selling his "secret knowledge" to fearful people is absolutely repellant. Share if you must buy for heavens sake do it for free. Mt. 10:8

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TMK, don't you recall John, Peter and Paul selling the Word of God and their dreams and visions? The Early Church was big business, too.

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And Julius, The specific interpretation for the word prophesys or prophetic utterance only depends on which translation you use they mean the same thing.

Your "gotcha" attitude in spirit in the way you place words in the previous post does not go unnoticed FYI. And you're making reference to the fact that I am a "salesman" and basically implying directly that I'm trying to pull off something ungodly crinkly shows a lack of understanding, immaturity, and refusal To actually deal rightly with the word of God that you're claiming to a to actually deal rightly with the word of God that you're claiming to uphold.

I'm actually done with this conversation with you.

"Despise not prophesies" means the same thing as I showed in context. You keep saving the people from real prophetic words & you will find yourself working against God Himself. And I ain't "selling nothing" but the truth. Apparently Joel, Amos, & Acts 2 mean nothing to you. And the Corinthian letters, Thessalonians letters, Acts, Revelation, etc. Jesus & the apostles had dreams & visions & the Word said we would too as God wills. Now you may not like that, but the fact is you are not God.

And as for Rick and making that prophetic prediction, it's in his archives from 1999. And as for Rick and making that prophetic prediction, it's in his archives from 1999, but if you go looking for it and you're really only in a spirit of accusation and looking to slander, and you clearly do not understand the New Testament gift of prophecy, and maybe you should just leave it alone before you inflict more doctrinal damage?

Might I recommend that you look up an article written by John piper called New Testament verses Old Testament prophecy. It doesn't say or teach anything in opposition to the word of God, but it certainly not the secessionists best friend. And secessionists have this way of saying that they believe that there can be dreams and visions, but they don't have any real examples of any that they actually believe, which shows they don't really actually believe in them at all.

Just calm down with the accusatory spirit. I absolutely will not address you
again if this is where you're coming from.

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Testing a prophetic word is one thing. Attacking, slandering and accusing through subtle and Direct implications is something totally different, and it's source ain't from heaven or the Spirit, but the flesh.

God Bless!

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And all his archives are online for free, & they just put $1,000,000 into a streaming music app called Prazor. And it's FREE! No subscription. "A gift from God to the people of God" they said. What a thief, eh?

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Thanks, Jeff but I'm not buying anything, today.

We'll see how all these "prophecies", go.

Not much has changed in the last 40 years. Jesus was supposed to come back in 1981, 1984, 1988, and on and on.

Nuclear war has been prophesied for decades.

The sheep are always kept in a state of fear and clamoring for the next "prophecy".

It's sickening...

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Julius I think I've seen from your previous posts on other threads that you hold to praetetism. Is this correct? You would believe that all of the prophetic events that are mentioned in Matthew 24 and on through Revelation were fulfilled in 70 AD. Is this correct?

Respectfulky posted.

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No, Bear, that is not correct.

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Julius said,

"I view prophetic words through the Word of God and by the Spirit, not emotionalism or fear mongering. The Church for far too long has been led by emotions and self-preservation and been taken advantage of by false prophets for their own gain and not by the Word of God.

2Pet 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:"

Well said Julius. It is absolutely true that many a men have come and gone making false predictions and have gone outside the clear teaching of scripture.

The scripture you quoted in 2 Peter is the very scripture I used in an exhortation last night titled "How do we know when we hear the voice of God" in our church prayer meeting.

For quite some time now (years) I am finding that many Christians are not satisfied with what the scriptures say and they are always looking for a way to go outside what God has said, what God has promised, and what God has already clearly warned and admonished us about.

There is a spirit, I believe, of pessimism prevailing over the church today and stealing peoples peace, joy, and assurance what God has already promised to the believer.

The definition of pessimism is this:

"a tendency to see the worst aspect of things or believe that the worst will happen; a lack of hope or confidence in the future."

Brothers, God does not want us focusing on the world coming to an end, a nuclear attack, EMP strike, etc...

Jesus returning or us going to be with Him in a nuclear attack is not a bad thing but a very GOOD and GLORIOUS thing. With that said, I do believe that Jesus is coming back in my lifetime, I am soon to be 55.

It is true that men are profiting from peddling fear amongst many other things. However, God wants us being about the Fathers business, preaching the Gospel, healing the sick, casting out demons, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and imprisoned, etc...

We must work while the day is still dawning for soon the night is coming when no man can work.

For one to take God at His word with a child like faith and believe what He has said and promised His followers is no longer viewed as a good or right thing. People look at you like you are crazy, well, they also accused Jesus of the same thing when His own family said He was BESIDE Himself.

I used to be tormented by a spirit of fear until I got filled with the Holy Spirit and got delivered from it.

I have the utmost confidence that when the time comes for us to do anything outside what He has already commanded us He will speak to us.

When He does, it will line up with scripture, AND it will be quickened by the Holy Spirit.

Now before I get in the cross hairs of anyone here, I am posting and agreeing with what Julius has said because I bear witness with it and it also had personal application to me based on my exhortation at church last night.

I AM NOT TAKING SIDES, nor am I discounting anything else that others have said. Unfortunately fences have a tendency of making their way into these discussions.

There are absolutely NO fences in the Kingdom of God and the sooner we learn that the sooner we can really lay into the real enemy and not each other.

Here is my exhortation, hope and prayer for each and everyone of you, your loved ones, and your families. I am borrowing the words of Paul.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-9 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. (2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. (3) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (4) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (5) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. (6) Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. (7) For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. (8) But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. (9) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ...

Peace!


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Brother David,

Well said!!!

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Well, I guess you're all right then. Until you're wrong.

"To the Lord, A day is as a thousand years & a thousand years are as a day."

Curious what prophetic words you have believed then if everyone is a fear mongering false prophet in your eyes?

I know "practical Cessationism" when I see it.

Either the Lord showed me what he did & spoke to me as he did, or I am deceived, full of lying spirits, & being led astray by Satan. And I never said Jesus was coming at any specific date. Lumping me, & other men who have given true prophetic warnings as the Lord has given them, in the camps of the likes of Harold Camping is an underhanded technique that doesn't go unnoticed friend.

Just ignore prophetic warnings you don't want to even think about then & be a practical Cessationist. That's fine by me. But be careful with "accusing the brethren" & "despising prophesyies". You may find one day in your zeal & "pure written text alone" you have worked against the Lord & His people.

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2 Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its Work will be burned up.

Revelation 6:12-17

I looked and when he broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree cast its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll and every mountain and island where moved out of their places. Then the kings of the earth and the great and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid yhemselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come and who is able to stand?"

The verses out of 2nd Peter would suggest that the earth could be destroyed in an atomic exchange between nations. The verses out of Revelation would suggest that there are those that are fleeing nuclear attack seeking sanctuary in the mountains in the caves.

Some commentators have suggested that the sky being split like a scroll is what happens after a nuclear explosion.

We are not quite sure what Jon saw in his visions. But if one takes a futuristic view of Revelation then he probably saw a nuclear explosions. And he probably saw people fleeing nuclear explosion seeking sanctuary in the mountains to hide from the blast and the radiation.

More versess which could describe nuclear war.

Revelation 8:7

The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and the green grass was burned up.

Revelation 8:8-9

The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood, and a third of the creatures which were in the sea and had life died and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Revelation 8:10

The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters.. The name of the star is called wormwood, and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.

Revelation 8:12

The fourth angel sounded, & a third of the Sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them would be darkened and the day would not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way.

The above verses suggest nuclear explosions and what happens in the aftermath. Conceivably water being poisoned by radiation. People dying from drinking the water. A nuclear winter follows which cuts down on the sunlight and the starlight.

Revelation 16:17-21

Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl up on the air and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne saying, It is done". And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peels of thunder and there was a great earthquake, such as there has not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great and earthquake was it and so mighty. The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell Babylon the Great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of his fierce wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And huge hail stones about 100 pounds each, came down from heaven upon men and men blaslheminh because of the plagues of the hail and because its plague was extremely severe.

Again the above verses which suggests the use of nuclear weapons. Or at least nuclear explosions. Nuclear explosions to such a degree that the geography of the earth results in earthquakes. Huge hail stones of about 100 pounds each would suggest chunks of earth being blown up. Perhaps by nuclear explosions.

I am not staying that the above verses prove a nuclear war. But given in time events and what John may have seen. I do not think that you can rule out that there will not be the use of nuclear weapons in the not too distant future.

Therefore I will not cast aspersions on those that are having visions of possible nuclear war either in America or in parts around the world.

If one holds to praeterism then the above verses were fulfilled in 70 AD. Now that would take a lot of faith for me to believe. If you regard revelation is merely symbolic. Then the above verses are merely inagery.

Personally I will take the Futurist view of Revelation. And believe that the above verses describe some type of nuclear events going on in the end times.

Simply my thoughts.

Brother Blaine

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Isaiah 17:1

The oracle concerning Damascus
Behold Damascus is about to be removed from being a city
And will become a fallen ruin.

I believe the above verses describe Damascus being nuked by tactical nuclear weapons.

Again simply my thoughts.

Bro. Blaine

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These experiences came way back in the early 90s and yes I do have scripture for them, but in the same way that the Lord warned me about the Land vomiting America out because of her sin (late90s) and showing the weather patterns violent turn and how we will be in a land that experiences dozens of tornadoes at once and earth quakes hitting all over this nation at once(and other things), most people will never see or understand it (the scripture) that way so over the years I have just figured I would put it out there, Mind you I have never charged anything and I have never sought to gather unto MYSELF disciples. I don't even have a book deal:/

Honestly I hope what I said does not happen, that way I can enjoy my last days in peace, however...that will not be the case... What many christians do not understand is that prophetic warnings can and often do follow 2 veins of outcomes. Vein no.1) A future warning is given, even though the out come is certain the message causes a response often times of repentance, in some cases, like in Mary and Joseph s early years, they relocated, and the outcome was the judgement of God was avoided Vein no.2) A prophetic judgement goes forth and it also is certain and nothing will deter it, ton of example here in both OT and NT like when Jesus prophesied against the Temple, that came to pass and God for His own foreknowledge/purposes did not permit conditions to exist that would have spared the temple of that day, same could be said of the OT captivity ....and a good many examples through out scripture.

So here is the conclusion: If people listen or not I do not really care. The catch 22 of it all is that if a warning is given and people repent and because of that repentance the judgement does not happen, than people label the original prophetic warning as having been false because it did not come to pass and so that man/woman must have been false(that s from the vast majority of unbelievers both unsaved and doubting christians), if the prophetic warning does happen than it is labeled by the same people as a lying sign or wonder (even though that is not really what that scripture is referring to....basically ) , so the conclusion is believe what you want because there will be no amount of scripture one can give nor any amount of outside proofs one can show that will convince most.

I do acknowledge the conversation in this thread and do appreciate the scriptures Blain posted and my comments are NOT toward anyone really but meant in a general sense. What I have not posted is the effect that the visions/revelations had on me personally for months and the scares that they left for life.

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by jeffmar1130 on 2016/3/3 17:10:24

But be careful with "accusing the brethren" & "despising prophesyies". You may find one day in your zeal & "pure written text alone" you have worked against the Lord & His people.

You sound like the same kind of people who threaten sheep by saying, "Touch not mine annointed".

You had a dream, ok. You might want to prove it yourself before threatening people that the Lord is going to get them.

If you had a dream and believe it is from God, then wait on Him.

"methinks thou protesteth too much".

A person who had a dream and believes it is from God, delivers the message and that's it. He doesn't feel a need to defend it, argue about it, or threaten others.

The "dream and visions" market seems to have replaced the Gospel and Centrality of Jesus Christ, market. When did preaching about Jesus and Him crucified not be enough to bring people to repentance? Now, Christians are known for one thing and that is fear mongering and end-times scorched earth scenarios. Sensationalism and hype!

You can call me any labels you wish, doesn't change that you are not very confident in the Lord speaking to you about these terrible scenarios. If you were, then you would stop with the political talk and go preach the gospel full-time.

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by bearmaster on 2016/3/3 18:18:02

Isaiah 17:1

The oracle concerning Damascus
Behold Damascus is about to be removed from being a city
And will become a fallen ruin.

I believe the above verses describe Damascus being nuked by tactical nuclear weapons.

Again simply my thoughts.

Bro. Blaine

If you really believe that, what are you doing about Syria and her people? Are you sounding the alarm in Syria, or at least doing everything you can to get word to the people? I hope so.

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Julius respectfully there are those that are being warned in Syria about the upcoming destruction of Damascus. Actually pretty good chunks of it have already been destroyed by ISIS and those who oppose Assad.

You asked what am i doing about Syria. Then brother come on one of my Persecution Watch call and you will see.

But brother again respectfully I get the impression that you do not believe in prophecy. Even prophecy that's being fulfilled in the scriptures.

Let's take Matthew 24;9. Here Jesus is teaching his disciples about what will happen before His return. This is prophecy. He tells his disciples that they will deliver you up to tribulation, and will kill you and you will be hated by all nations because of my name.

The United Nations estimates there are probably 192-193 geopolitical entities that are considered nations. On a conference call recently that dealt with persecution. I heard it was estimated that Christians undergo some form of persecution in approx 151 nations. Thus we are about two thirds of the way of having nations hate Christians.

I would say that we are close to seeing prophecy fulfilled in this statement by Jesus that they would be hated by all nations on account of my name. But I have a feeling you would discount this. Am I correct?

Respectfully submitted.

Brother Blaine

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I would ask respectfully to those who hold to a presterist view of Matthew 24. If all of the prophecies were fulfilled in 70 AD. Then I ask respectfully why are Christians being persecuted today.

Something just simply doesn't jive here.

Brother Blaine

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As to going out preaching repentance? Done and doing, but full time pulpit ministry? Either I haven't responded or that door has not opened in a full time capacity.

Now I have a question for you since you seem to have so many comments for many here, What are you doing to strengthen the hands of the brethren? To help the weak to walk by faith? To promote the gospel of Jesus Christ to the ignorant? Your message seems to be peace peace, that's what a message of general questioning of everything is, the message of doubt and unbelief. instead of even considering the possibility of any scripture as any kind of possible proofs you throw out "jabs" of unbelief by putting the burden of proof as to the validity of a scripture back on the brother who posted it. That to is folly and foolishness, a good way to hide unbelief.

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I don't have any problem talking about it Julius.

You came out guns a blazing, accusing, calling people false, etc. I didn't just have a dream, but I won't get into that because you don't believe in any of it anyways. You are a "practical Cessationist". As much is clear.

I'm not trying to defend myself, but since you're asking & accusing, I preach the Gospel to everyone I can in my sphere, support the work of the Gospel in the entire Middle East in intercession & support, and through sharing these brethren's plight among the brethren here continuously.

The fact is, I just shared from the heart & you attacked, accused, made boastful (false or assumptive) distortions, a, etc.,

Anyone who can read can look back through the thread & see that & how it took place for themselves. And the Gospel is sufficient to save men. But the preaching of the Gospel isn't the ONLY thing God is doing.

When your wife has a problem or misunderstands you, do you "just preach the Gospel to her"? Isn't that sufficient? Well, doesn't scripture give you more instruction than just that in how to minister to her, deal with her, etc.? Yes.

Likewise there's instruction about your work. And loving the brethren. And respecting authority as unto the Lord. And yes, there's whole passages & even chapters in the epistles about prophetic words, as well as the other gifts, & even talk (& examples) of dreams & visions. So yes, the Gospel is adequate to save men's souls, but it's not the only thing discussed in the entire New Testament. Practical Cessationist arguments are a dime a dozen. Heard them all.

But the point is that you attacked, accused, & made very proud/sure comments about what I shared, about other prophetic ministers, etc., I am not sure of everything & not proud, nor "scared to have the discussion", but I wasn't attacking your practical Cessationism, you were attacking me & what I shared (& others).

So in your eyes, me, Greg, Brian Long, Paul Washer, David Wilkerson/Carter Conlon, & anyone else on SI who has shared the prophetic warning that "greater persecution is coming to the USA" is also just a false prophet I guess?

I'm not sure how edifying the conversation can be if that's where you're coming from. "Despise not prophesies" in scripture means SOMETHING my friend. I'm not standing to defend every false word ever spoken, but you appear to be minimizing & coming against any prophetic word/utterance/unction/dream/vision at all. That's called "practical Cessationism".

I have no ought in my heart towards you. Know that. May God Bless you!
In Him,
Jeff

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Funny too, cause thousands upon thousands of radical Muslims are coming to Christ in the Middle East as a result of dreams where the Lord is coming & speaking to them.

I have a friend here in fellowship who came to Christ from a prophetic dream too. Soundly saved.

Tell it to the Muslims, Jews, & other lost people coming to Christ through dreams (& visions) that they don't need that stuff & it's all false. You'll be working against what the Lord is clearly doing in this final hour.

Look up online:
"More than Dreams" to see radical Musims coming to Christ from dreams God came to them in.

Or check out "Killing Christians, Where it isn't safe to Believe" by Tom Doyle & listen to similar radical testimonies.

If God came to a lost Muslim with a prophetic word for them, He can't come to a Son or Daughter with a Word too? As Leonard Ravenhill used to say, "That's Balderdash!" 😊

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The John MacArthur folks say the only way that Muslims can really be saved as if they sit under the polemic preaching in the word.

I merely say this in jest. But I think the MacArthur folks view the Trinity Holy Father, holy Son, and Holy Bible, :-)

Brother Blaine

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I think brother Brian mentioned something in his message that there are churches that completely kick out the Holy Spirit.

Is that again to blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Certainly it comes under quenching or grieving the Holy Spirit.

Bro Blaine

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as I told you a few months back, and I will say it again:

repent from your wickedness.

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I trust that you have an intimate love relationship with Messiah Jesus, and that you spend time alone with Him, in the secret place?

a loving vibrant Dialogue?...pushed on by the Beautiful Ministry of God the Holy Spirit, Indwelling, and sweet, and maybe sometimes like the Loving Father, a Word of conviction, or rejoinder....yes?

then I implore you, don't let one lonely broken man hiding behind a keyboard drive you to distraction, If God the Holy Spirit gave, why let a mere man, a vapor, a blade of grass, as we all are, throw you from the Way. the Truth and the Life?

I implore you, don't feed the chickens, man's opinion? worthless. Jesus' Love, priceless. God love and protect you, neil

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Yeah, amen. Thanks!

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Bear wrote:

"Let's take Matthew 24;9. Here Jesus is teaching his disciples about what will happen before His return. This is prophecy. He tells his disciples that they will deliver you up to tribulation, and will kill you and you will be hated by all nations because of my name."

Indeed. Every apostle he was speaking to was martyed or died in captivity.

I'm the PARTIAL preterist. I do believe Mt 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD.

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Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

I have always seen this as 3 questions but Jesus answer as 1 full response almost like his answer to Nicodemus in the gospel of John. I think here in America we have been very blessed and because of that we have a difficult time fitting our experience into the Matt 24 chapter ....but that may be changing right before our very eyes, I believe that type of persecution is coming, and at the same time I do know "some" areas and solid ministers who have undergone pretty tough things and in a few cases death by Martyrdom. These stories have not made the main stream media though.

All that said I do understand some your position but I do not completely understand what a preterist is .:/

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Todd

Always thought you were an impartial preterist with partial preterist leanings.

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by dohzman on 2016/3/3 19:01:22

As to going out preaching repentance? Done and doing, but full time pulpit ministry? Either I haven't responded or that door has not opened in a full time capacity.

Now I have a question for you since you seem to have so many comments for many here, What are you doing to strengthen the hands of the brethren? To help the weak to walk by faith? To promote the gospel of Jesus Christ to the ignorant? Your message seems to be peace peace, that's what a message of general questioning of everything is, the message of doubt and unbelief. instead of even considering the possibility of any scripture as any kind of possible proofs you throw out "jabs" of unbelief by putting the burden of proof as to the validity of a scripture back on the brother who posted it. That to is folly and foolishness, a good way to hide unbelief.

dohzman,

I have no problem with dreams. I know God gives dreams and I know many muslims and others are coming to the Lord in dreams and visions and I praise God for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the prophecy of Joel coming true that in the last days (which covers the last 2,000 years), He will pour out His spirit on all flesh.

To draw the conclusion that because I do not support fear mongering and emotionalism and false prophecy (just a year or two off, afterall) means that I preach false peace (peace, peace) is faulty.

The peace I believe in and preach is peace through the blood of Christ where there is no longer Jew or Gentile and the middle wall of partition has been broken down. Where mortal enemies love each other, because they have been born-again to a new hope and translated into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ as brothers and sisters. They no longer identify as Jew or Muslim or Catholic and Protestant, but as children of God through faith in Jesus Christ.

I know Syrians are going through hell right now, I know bad things are happening all over the earth and have been happening all over the earth for 2,000 years and things will continue to get worse and worse. I also know that Jesus said in the last days there shall be false prophets and I have seen and heard many, many of them, and they all seem to have the same credentials and modus operandi.

The enemy is always among us, and they preach "peace, peace" without any repentance, they reject the truth, they are prophets for profit, hiding in sheep's clothing and the church jettisons it's discernment when someone starts talking about scriptures, dreams and visions all the time.

If you guys don't fit into the previous paragraph then praise God for it.

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Like I said: name a prophetic word of warning you did believe was genuine

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I was saying in 1999 (in my fellowship) that Y2K was all hype and telling people not to be alarmed or lose their peace over all the fear mongering. But many false prophets took advantage of the Church regarding Y2K, as they did regarding 1988 (1948+40). Next, you will be hearing a lot about 2018 (1948 + 70). I did hear some other brothers who also prophesied Y2K hype was false, but by and large, the sheep were fleeced by many false prophets. Y2K turned out to be a dud.

David Wilkerson had many general prophecies come true (he was never foolish enough to give dates) in his book the Vision which he wrote in 1973 he forecast many things. Even unbelievers took an interest in his book. In his book he spoke of severe future economic problems for Japan and then the U.S., Canada and other nations. He spoke of credit busts and bankruptcies of major corporations and even saw auto companies folding and many union failures. He also wrote of airlines have terrible problems.

The other thing he wrote about were many natural disasters and some insurance companies would go under due to paying out such large sums of money. Something that is still yet to come about is that he spoke about social aid cutbacks due to resentment towards illegal immigrants. He also mentioned militant homosexuals grabbing power and infiltrating churches to corrupt the youth.

There are many, many more things that he wrote about. I remember reading it and having a witness in my spirit to all of it. I need to re-read it.

We will continue to see the manifestation of supernatural activity in our day but not all of it will be from God. In fact, I would say most of it will not be from Him. We can't afford to quench the moving of the Holy Spirit but we also cannot afford to receive anything and everything without testing it.

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There are some names here I am a bit surprised to see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

By the way, Jerry Falwell predicted God would pour out his judgment on Jan 1, 2000.

Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins - These Christian authors stated that the Y2K bug would trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the date approached, however, they changed their minds.

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I was born again during Y2K. I felt nothing in my spirit. I didn't buy into it AT ALL - FYI. I didn't pretend to know it all, but had no leading from the Lord anything imminent would come out of it - just FYI.

Well, here is the one thing I can't move on without saying:

You laid into Rick Wiles as essentially a false prophet & accused him of slanderously using the church for $ & fleecing the flock cause he has something on some store that's $50.

Let me start by saying that I don't agree with him on everything across the board theologically/eschatologically. BUT, I don't know EVERYTHING, nor Does he, & I still see him as a brother. And I have seen him NAIL IT on things I wasn't certain about when he said them, but saw them come out later proving him right.

But since you accused him, & others, of using "fear-mongering emotionalism" to scare saints out of $, let me tell you his story.

He was the Marketing director for TBN. He did very well financially & was in the prime of his career as a business man. The Lord led him to go on a long fast in 1998. He did. The Lord have him a vision & showed him the future of America. He saw cities on fire & American refugees roaming around in disbelief & shock. He shared on radio in 1998 words the Lord have him like "Osama Bin Laden.", "Derivitaves Crash", "Dirty Bomb", "Islamic Terrorism", etc. He went & told Paul Crouch about the burden God gave him & what he saw. He got ignored. Long story short, he resigned at TBN & forewent his 6 figure salary to start a tv show to tell America to repent & what was coming if they didn't. He started saying, "judgement begins on Sept 11th. The Lord told me this in prayer". He wasn't "off by a year or two". He never gave a year. He didn't add or take away from what the Holy Spirit spoke to him. We see & prophesy in part. He got accused of being a false prophet. Next year in 2001 it happened on 9/11/2001. He wasn't "off". People thought of his warning a certain way (which he likely also assumed. True prophetic words from God can be that way - NT Prophecy is not identical in its nature/form to OT Prophecy recorded in scripture. It's not infallible, but comes through a man in part).

But Rick ended up cause no one wanted to hear the message "repent" selling all he had, blowing through his life savings, etc. doing a radio show. Eventually in his home! The Lord continually confirmed his path through dreams not only to him but members of his family. He also always have faithfully to other ministries, especially orphanages, throughout this time. He has a show called "TruNews" with some interesting guests. EX-CIA Chiefs, top military commanders, evangelists, chief economists, etc., etc. The Lord gave him a dream that he was going to start a whole new ministry for the Body of Christ to come to for spiritual nourishment. He didn't have the personnel, the $, etc., but he believed God. Last year stories (he didn't tell until after) of supernatural provision (after 17 years of this ministry) coming in gave him amazingly talented staff in key areas. Last year they gave over a million $ away to orphanages, Iraqi Christian refugee relief fund, etc.! They also invested TONS of $ into building the new platform the Lord showed him in a dream called "Prazor". He hired (as the Lord brought these people) the guy who started Sirius XM's Christian music station, The Message. He hired an ex-Apple top ap developer. He hired Marlin Maddox's old top news reporter & others.

He built an app & spent several hundred thousand dollars doing it. It kicked off at the NRB Convention last week in Nashville. It started with 48 streams of FREE Christian Music. It will have 100 streams before year's end. They are getting agreements done & working on loading content into the entire app from evangelists, Bible Teachers, ministries, etc. from around the world like Rod Hembree's Bible Discovery TV Quick Study, etc. It will all be free!

"A gift from God to the people of God". He doesn't sell products (I don't know what store you're talking about, but if he ha stuff on DVD, I didn't know it, because He never mentions it). They don't advertise or push advertisers. He was paying to run on one hundred plus radio stations air time before going all digital & did it 100% by faith from free will donations. He don't beg for $.

My point is this: before you go off & make accusations about someone, especially in your zeal to label all prophets as false, "be careful." Be humble. I'm not saying swallow everything whole, but don't whip out YOUR sword & chop off the heads of everyone who has a Word to share from the Lord. There is Biblical discernment & There is a Holy Spirit gift of discernment of spirits. But there is no gift of cynicism, scoffing, or accusing. Making sound, Biblical mature judgements on matters is good, but Judging by mere outward appearance & slandering someone in 2 seconds after a quick google search is not a gift, nor godly.

As one who saw rep falsehood in the church in my early years & spoke against it as the Lord led me to, I later at times found myself waving a sword around at everyone I even thought might be wrong about something, only to be humbled later myself when I found out I was wrong. To quick on the drAw & not humble. Something I still have to be aware of. There is a place to rebuke. But being hasty to do it & rebuking an elder harshly (& publicly) when we don't even know a full matter, is not godly. It's "religiously coated" flesh.

Again, I have no ought in my heart towards you brother. And I don't feel compelled to defend myself, but when you laid into another brother & what the Lord showed him that he left all behind to share (& much of what he shared has been & is being proven out right), I was grieved. Deeply grieved. And the slander was so quick-triggered & public, I think Inwasnt the only one grieved.

Anyways, may God Richly bless you!
In Him,
Jeff

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And Tim Lahaye, Jerey Jenkins, Jerry Falwell, etc. are all "Secret Rapture Pre-Tribbers" so that doesn't surprise me. Not trying to start an argument with all the Pre Trib believers out ther either, I promise. You should check out "Left Behind or Led Astray? The real Origins of the Secret Pre-Tribukational Rapture Theory" by Joe Schimmel of Good Fight Ministries. VERY GOOD STUFF! Most people think John Darby started the theory. He did not. Execellent documentry.

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Jeff, thanks for writing the long post, a couple of posts down. I do appreciate the time you put into that post and I will take your correction and plea to be humble. I am sorry I said what I said about Rick and also I said or at least unfairly intimated some other things directed towards you. That was unfair and unwarranted. Please forgive me. I have seen so many, many false things take place and the sheep fleeced left and right and I should not let that color new information that comes my way. I need to treat everything independent and fairly. Hopefully, you and I can get back on a good track. I don't have any reason to not consider you or Rick a brother. I should also check out his Trunews channel.

Thanks, Jeff.

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God Bless you. No offense taken or unforgiveness. I have done the same many times & have the same heart (whether you can see it or not) to protect the flock from wolves & receivers. I have failed MANY times in how/when I manifested it too in the past. May God Bless you!

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" For the Lord spoke thus to me with his strong hand upon me, and warned me not to walk in the way of this people, saying: "Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread. But the Lord of hosts, him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread"

Isaiah 8:11-13 (ESV)

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Very good word bro . Neil good timing. God Bless, off to work
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Yep, excellent scripture. We should not let ourselves be troubled. In the same chapter, more excellent verses.

Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Isa 8:21 And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.
Isa 8:22 And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

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0300,Sunday, during my early Sup of the Word:

"The light of Israel will become a fire,
and his Holy One a flame,
and it will burn and devour
his thorns and briers in one day.


The glory of his forest and of his fruitful land
the Lord will destroy, both soul and body,
and it will be as when a sick man wastes away.


The remnant of the trees of his forest will be so few
that a child can write them down."

Isaiah 10:17-19

I don't discuss what I FEEL, or am LED by God about Scripture, I believe the word is "exegete"....what the Holy Spirit shares with me is between God and me, I mean no offense to anyone.

I don't know if anyone has noticed in the mad and dark days, that Israel has been staying VERY QUIET. If I was a "foe" of Israel, I would be VERY concerned, "whats next?", especially the Shia clergy in Qom, Iran who rule that Islamic theocracy, and have clearly stated their wicked desire to utterly destroy "the Zionist entity" as they so hatefully refer to Israel.....and now Israel has grown very quiet.

The "press" has estimated Israel's strategic arsenal at 80 weapons, which is odd, because 10 years ago that figure was around 200-300 weapons. Being somewhat versed in mil intel, and nuclear warfighting, I believe the true number is vastly underestimated, buy a factor of 10 times, as in 800 to 1,000 weapons....AND, most importantly, Israel is the world's smallest "super power", under the classic definition of "superpower in that Israel possesses the capability of the nuclear triad, meaning air, missile and sub launched strategic weapons......they could possess a "quad" -iad, which means space based weaponry, as does the US, and possibly Russia (maybe)

in the past, when Israeli leadership goes radio silent, like they have now?....you might see some very sudden and shocking "breaking news" scrolls across your TV or laptop.

if Israel, which is UNDOUBATBLY on the highest alert, even detects the slightest missile launch signature, especially from Iran, or Shia surrogates in Lebanon....shudder, the world will change forever.

i'll post a very thoughtful read here, one would do well to give an ACTIVE consideration of this wiki entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/08/binyamin-netanyahu-turns-down-meeting-barack-obama

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