Babylon the Great & the Caliph Antichrist - Armageddon News

There is more, even better, even more expansive teaching on this from the scriptures, but checking this video out is a decent place to start to have one challenge/expand their previously held thinking on the subject. If you are interested, I can point you to some more really good, solid, Biblical teaching on this as well that goes through the prophecies of Daniel, Revelation, etc., & they will likely challenge your previously held understanding & proove the case quite extensively & quite well in my opinion. And "what difference does it make?" Well, if this is the case, we are right on the cusp of time when the "wrap up" of all these things finally begins to occur.

Babylon the Great & the Caliph Antichrist - Armageddon News

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/uY20IFaWlsQ

If you read Mideast Beast, The Scriptural Case for an Islamic Antichrist, from Joel Richardson, you will be totally shocked by how it fits,

There is also a book out there called
"The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop if you want to do a bit more research and see what fits better.

Not sure how you can make that statement ("fits better") if you haven't read the study & info on the Islamic Antichrist Theory? Have you read The Islamic Antichrist or Mideast Beast? Did you watch the video I Posted? If you haven't, not sure how you could make that statement as far as "fits better"? When you really dig in (& read someone who has done deep scholarly, historical & Biblical study on it) it is an unbelievable "fit"/case. I will check out what you recommended, thanks! But will you be willing to check out what I have recommended, or is your mind made up only based on what you currently believe?

Yeah, and in revelation it says "the souls of those BEHEADED for their testimony in Jesus". Not even in the inquisition was beheading a preferred method of martyrdom by the Roman Catholics. But Islam? It's not only preferred & being done DAILY, but it's actually a prescribed doctrinal method in the Quran & Hadiths. You don't have to "force feed that Square peg of Rome into a round Islamic hole" to make it fit. I used to think it was likely a revised Roman Empire or something similar too, until I got a better, closer, in depth look at it vs Islam. I am pretty convinced now & getting more convinced all the time by the prophetic scriptures, current events, a better look at the historical facts (& previously held misconceptions), & I believe the witness of the spirit.

And I'm not in any way defending or taking up for the false teachings of Roman Catholicism, just saying it doesn't fit Daniel, Revelation, Exekiel, Isaiah, Micah, etc. like Islam.

Jeff you know I respect Joel Richardson as much as anyone. And he does set forth a convincing case Antichrist could very well be a Muslim.

But if we accept the premise the Antichrist will be one who has power over the whole world. Then he would have to be one who would convince Hindu's in India, the Buddfhists of Southeadt Asia that he is tveir Mesdiah. Along with the Jews of Israel and the apostate Christian church.

I don't see a Muslim Antichrist doing this.
Particularly in a predominantly Hindu Nation Mike India. India's a nuclear power. As a matter of fact they have more nuclear weapons than Pakistan who is Islamic. In a nuclear exchange Pakistan may very well be blown to radioactive dust. That is if the Muslims tried to invade India.

Just pointing out a possible scenario. Actually probably one that could be realistic given the fact that India and Pakistan have been enemies these over the region of Kashmir.

I'm prone to think that the Antichrist will be a chrismatic figure possessed by Satan. Probably one who will bring the three great monotheistic religions together. And all of the lesser religions will fall into place. This individual will probably convince the world he is their savior.

From what we know about Islam. It is pretty bloodthirsty. I don't think a bloodthirsty Messiah is going to appeal to the rest of the world. Also I think other nations like India and North Korea would fight an Islamic Antichrist.

But then brother these are only my observations.

Bro Blaine

Bear,
The exact origins language of the texts you're referring to don't support the previously held view. You should check out Mideast Beast. I am convinced you will be surprised at the accuracy, study, & scholarly evaluation. Or check out YouTube videos where he explains parts of Mideast Beast. It's VERY convincing. He addresses at length what you're mentioning, & also addresses everything else & brings it all together. The evidence to me, is staggering. I wouldn't be heralding it if it wasn't. I am not cheerleading it after one quick first glance or without addressing all the questions/issues, trust me. I think God is using Joel in these areas in this late hour to bring clarity to the scriptures through responsible, in depth, solid years of study & teaching on the subject. And the Lord keeps confirming it to me again and again, both through the Word (first and foremost of course) & other confirmations.
God Bless,
Jeff

PP,
Did you watch the video? Cause if that most populated shipping channel (right parallel with Mecca) in the world gets devastated, do you not think that would affect any world trade?
God Bless,
Jeff

The video skips tons of Biblical details (verse by verse), but Joel's book & teaching does not. It all starts in rightly understanding Daniel (particularly 2 & 7-11). This is why I think the enemy has fought so hard to bring confusion to the book of Daniel, had demonic cults twist it, etc. because he knows what it means and the ultimate importance of it. Joel does an excellent job of going through the scriptures verse by verse, scholar by scholar, showing the historic Roman view, explaining why it can't be reconciled to the text so must be force-fed, ignored, or altered (& then repeated for years so people take it as "long held fact"), etc. And then, since the things in Daniel are in perfect alignment with the things Jesus Himself referenced from Daniel in Matthew 24 & are again brought up in Revelation (& elsewhere), we can get the right picture altogether. End up at the right ending place from a right starting place. When I understand God's intentions (concerning Israel), His Words all working together in context & flow from the curse/Gospel seed laid out in Genesis, through details in the prophets, through the Olivet discourse, and then in the end in Revelation, I can better understand what the Lord was trying to show us (otherwise, Why would God "waste so much time/scripture on something that "doesn't matter"? As some would have you believe?).

I think understanding this will help me see the heart/mind of God concerning Israel in the days ahead too. That doesn't mean I ONLY will care for Jews (Muslims too since they are the largest mission field ON EARTH. As well as anyone in my sphere). Or I ONLY look at eschatology & reject other responsibilities, disregard who I am in Christ, etc. (those are straw man arguments used to say that even though 70% of the Biblical texts refer to prophecy in some way, "it doesn't matter" balderdash). It also can affect how I sow missionally. Ultimately, I think it will matter in the days ahead in REALLY understanding where we are in the timeline for urgency (anyone tells me They are "as urgent as is possible" about it, I would disagree with facts & logic), & in how we see & relate to the coming last holcaust against the Jews & the Jewish people. What that will look like exactly remains to be seen yet, but will be a forefront issue of/when she is decimated & scattered among the nations again.

And I "think" from what the prophecies all seem to show that the Antichrist (the Islamic Madhi) will be either from Turkey, or at least of Turkish descent. That's what looks the most plausible.

Anyways, as a basic response, if it doesn't matter at all, why all the fuss to suppress it? 😊
God Bless,
Jeff

And the fact is, if I'm willing to read & watch the preterist & amillineal articles, books, debates, videos (I have), but no one is willing to look at what I'm saying is more conducive & in line with the scriptures as a whole, then what you're saying is, I know you've looked at both & are convinced one side is more Biblical accurate, but I have only looked at my 1 side, won't spend the time to look at what you're saying is worthy of looking at, but I still feel confident I'm right enough to argue/debate it to death, I'm not willing to be challenged/wrong, etc. Or "it doesn't really matter anyways" (after dozens of posts explaining the opposite view). Do you see the inconsistency & potential issue in such a "confirmation bias" approach?
God Bless,
Jeff

And saying I used to believe in Dispensationalism too & could teach it doesn't count. That's not what I'm espousing. That straw man gets REALLY OLD. If someone was "wrong" and believed in Dispensationalism, but now believes Amillineal/ Preterism/Replacement Theology (usually grouped together), couldn't they still be wrong again?

It is monotone. It's a computer generated voice - FYI

I can answer that brother from several of the scriptures, but I'll have to do it later. My family needs me now. I wish I could cut & paste your answers (faster). I'll try tonight.
Lord Bless you,
Jeff

edited:

removed it - blessings to all

Mark respectfully I have looked at the article. It is nothing new in that it's promoting Roman Catholovism as the religion of the Antichrist. Probably promoting the pope is the Antichrist.

I have issues with the RCC. But ser nothing in Scripture that harolds it as the religion of the Antichrist.

My issues is that the article is accusing many Bible teachers of being false prophets. I will admit that I have some concerns with certain Bible teachers who hold to a pre-trib premillennial view of scripture. BUT BUT BUT when you start calling John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, J.Verne McGhee, David Jeremiah, and other teachers false prophets. I question this article.

Respectfully brother. I found the article you posted lacking in presenting its case. But I think it is also in bad taste that the article calls men who have faithfully taught the word of God false prophets. I might add some of the sermons of those men who are being called false prophets are in the archives of Sermonindex.

Brother just my thoughts. But really the article is in bad taste.

Respectively posted.

Brother Blaine

I have watched the video that Jeff posted. It does set forth a convincing case of Islam being the religion of the Antichrist. I might add it appears to be more consistent with scripture then the article promoting the RCC as the religion of the Antichrist.

The video did not call into question men who have taught other views of end-times eschatology as false prophets.

But if you have the time the video is worth watching. But in the end we nust be watchful and vigilant as the end times to unfold.

Simply my thoughts.

Brother Blaine

Here is simply a bit of Church history:
"The Jesuits were commissioned by the Pope to develop a new interpretation of Scripture that would counteract the Protestant application of the Bible’s prophecies regarding the Antichrist to the Roman Catholic Church. All the reformers’ studies pointed the finger directly at the Roman Catholic Church as the Antichrist power described in Daniel as the "little horn.”
Source: Wikimedia Commons

Francisco Ribera (1537-1591), a brilliant Jesuit priest and doctor of theology from Spain, answered Papacy’s call. Like Martin Luther, Francisco Ribera also read by candlelight the prophecies about the Antichrist, the little horn, the man of sin, and the beast of Revelation.

He then developed the doctrine of futurism. His explanation was that the prophecies apply only to a single sinister man who will arise up at the end of time. Rome quickly adopted this viewpoint as the Church’s official position on the Antichrist.

If I remember correctly this teaching came eventually into the church via the Scoffield Bible.

The first question is: was everyone else before Francisco Ribera wrong, is his teaching right and therefore we are right today?

You decide

That's simply a bit of historical revisionment.

Some of the early reformers did believe the Papcy as a whole was "the man" of sin (which doesn't even make since because in the Greek it means an individual man/person. I could see how they would think that actually. The RCC is an "antichrist" system ("even so, many antichrists have already come"), but not the ultimate end times fulfillment of "the man of perdition". For as many so called historians (Wikipedia) who say "a Jesuit came up with the entire idea of futurism", as many scholars & historians reject that and say that Jesuits merely came up with the predecessor ideas to "Dispensationalism/Pre-Trib secret Rapture". Some say the Jesuits came up with the original "Preterism" ideas that it was all past.

This is why I stay with the scriptures in context through consistent interpretive methods as much as possible.

A few years ago John MacArthur did a teaching. His position now, unless he has changed, is the Antichrist will be of Islamic descent. Or will be a Muslem.

FYI.

Bro Blaine

TMK,
If I sent you the book Mideast Beast, would you read it? Honestly. If it wasn't a strong case from scripture, I wouldn't believe it! 😊 I would do that. I am working on trying to get a volume deal on some in paperback possibly. But trust me, it fits better than Nero, the papacy, a revised Roman Empire, etc. (& I don't really count the people who are always saying Obama, or Reagan, or whatever - that's just pure speculation).
God Bless,
Jeff

Or I may just buy a digital copy & cut & paste, but it's the overwhelming preponderance of evidence, book by book, passage by passage, historical evaluation by historical evaluation that make it so strong together. Not one liner "keys" here or there (that's how all these other candidates got accepted/believed in the first place & then had to be forced into a wrong size hole historically).

I will just say Islam is the Fourth beast, the Ten Horns, the legs of iron (Islamic empire of the Ottoman period) followed by the feet of iron mingled with clay (the revived Islmic Caliphate). It is the beast that suffered the deadly head wound, but was healed, & Islam fits the 7th head: combination of bear & leopard in Rev 17, the Anyichrist is the Eigth King: healed 7th head of Rev 17, that in Daniel 12 the angel said this was "sealed up until the end times", that the battle of Gog of Magog of Ezekiel 39 is perfectly parallel with the battle of Armageddon in Rev 16 point by point, that the ancient cities of Meshach, Tubal, Magog, Rosh, & Gomer are all in Turkey (due "land of the north" of Isreal), that Persia is Itan, Put is Libya, Cush is Sudan, etc. ALL ISLAMIC STRONGHOLDS, and it just goes on and on and on. And he isn't ignorant of the theories of Antiochus, Titas, Nero, Rome & the "Revised Roman Empire", etc. & he deals point by point with all of them in detail.

I agree no one was talking about it 50 years ago. Amen.

"Daniel, the understanding of these things are sealed up until the time of the end"

Everyone 50 years ago wasn't right about everything. If you really want to know (instead of just googling & going with the people who agree with your already held predetermined suppositional beliefs) then listen to the full case all the way out. If not, don't. Just don't be convinced you're right if you're unwilling to explore the scriptural case. That's all I'll say about it.

God Bless,
Jeff

And 50 years ago there was not a revived Islamic Caliphate forming. Prophecy can be that way. Harder to see in the distance through a glass dimly, but as it gets closer it gets clearer & less dim, we can reevaluate the prophetic scriptures and see if "this is that which the prophet Daniel spoke of"

Sure. There are "many antichrists", & systems of such, but I believe "THE ANTICHRIST (or better stated, Son of Perdition, Man of Sin, etc.) will be Islamic

Murrlcor,
The initial Book I read "Islamic Antichrist" shows every single one of the Islamic "prophetic texts" if you will & doctrines from the Quran, the Hadiths, etc. I was BLOWN AWAY & could definitely see the EXACT anti-parallel to scripture in all points, including EndTimes eschatology. It also confirmed some dreams & something I shared under unction previously concerning Islam. Then Mideast Beast has explained every one of the prophetic passages from the Bible & made what is now to me, a rock solid case. Strange thing is, I had a dream as teenager before I was even born again (when I was a deceived false convert, but God knew I was ultimately his & would come to him), & in the dream (the ONLY DREAM I can ever still remember pre-Christ) I was wondering down to "6-Circles". A place in the woods close to where I live known as 6 circles intertwined (roads) where practicing satanists went to do occult satanic sacrifices & stuff. In the dream, I drove up & and saw all these people in black robes on their knees bowing down in unison in one direction, with a giant black hooded figure up front of them facing them. You couldn't see his face, just glowing red eyes. Then, he looked up & saw me. He pointed and all the people in robes got up & ran at me! I was TERRIFIED! I woke up heart pounding, sweating, & totally scared. I forgot that dream. Then, YEARS LATER (like 10) after my conversion, I first saw the "Muslim call to prayer". When they bowed down, I instantly remembered that dream from so long ago. I knew that's what I saw. I have wondered what that will ultimately mean in my life (if anything specific), but I am more & more convinced Islam is that last system & we are getting very close to all these things in our days ahead.

Saints,

Currently there are over 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. So no matter if the antichrist rises from their ranks what are we doing today to reach these lost souls with the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus. Have our hearts grown dim and dark that all we are worried about is what they will possibly produce? (an endtimes world leader).

Hundreds of Millions are ready to sink down into the place of torment and despair to never hear the Good News of our Lord. Why have they not heard, they have not been told! May God allow us opportunities to share while there is still time.

Asia Harvest is one group that is sponsoring many autonomous house churches around the world to reach the unreached in places like Afghanistan, India, etc http://asiaharvest.org even in China there are areas where it is pre-dominately muslim.

Can we sit and worship our Lord for eternity knowing that we neglected the chance to help share this "Words of Life" with muslims in these nations where they have been in the darkness for hundreds even 1 thousand years still?

Great word & great point Brother Greg!
And anothrer great one is Global Catalytic Ministries Incorporated (GCMI). They have established dozens of house churches in the 10/40 window in the last decade. Most of which are in the amazing revival in Iran. And I certainly don't want to be taken wrong or misunderstood: just because I have become quite convinced the antichrist will be a Muslim leader from the Caliphate, I also see the tremendous opportunity to sow into those fields specifically that are so white right now for the harvest! And also FYI - Joel Richardson (whose books I have referenced) has a heart for the Great commission to Muslims too (his books have chapters on "loving muslims", "The Mercy of the Lord, Intervessors", etc.) and he was actually one of the main guys on the site "Answering Islam" for years, promotes laying down our lives to take the Gospel to the Muslims, supports & promotes those missionary ministries, etc. I am starting an online school from "I2 Ministries" on witnessing to Muslims (the focus of that ministry). I just want to explain that so no one gets the wrong idea. The "sons of Ishmael" are no doubt THE LARGEST MISSION FIELD ON EARTH & at the same time, more Muslims have come to Christ (through dreams, visions & preaching & the sharing of Gospel By converted friends & family) In the last 10 years or so, than IN ALL OF HISTORY SINCE THE TIME OF MOHAMMED!! Wow! Praise the Lord! And when they do get converted, the tend to be radical & joyful to lay down their lives for Christ. They are a lot like Paul in that those who persecuted Christians get saved & mightily used among their countrymen. Anyways, yes, thanks for bringing this up too so everyone understands this most important fact/issue!
God Bless,
Jeff

And the trip I am going on to Israel in a couple months (OnKing2016 Jerusalem Intensive) is actually going to be embedded with & spending time with the Palestinian Arabs (from Nazereth & elsewhere) who have come to Christ & are praying for the Jews to come into their fullness as a people & interceding for their salvation, & also with former Orthodox Jews who are now Messianic Jews who have accepted their Messiah in Christ & are praying & interceding for the Muslims to come to Christ, & they worship & pray together! What a beautiful picture of the kingdom, eh? 😊🙏🏻☝️💪🏻

You can check out the short info video about the trip here:

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