Jonathan Cahn, National Day of Prayer. D. C. 13 minutes

Dear sister Linda, I do not know how to say this gently but I will try. Many of us have left facebook because of the plethora of links to "dodgy" teachers. I do not mean to run Johnathon Cahn into the ground and that is not my intention. But this is a brother who has no links, articles or sermons on this website for a reason. And by "dodgy" I am using an Aussie term which essentially means, that you don't know what it is and can't really put your finger on it, but you are as yet still very unsure about an individual. In the case of Mr Cahn, he has made fortune and fame from fictitious stories that play into peoples fears and by perpetrating fables about end times matters. To the point where people take what he says almost as "gospel". This gives many of us here great pause about this so called teacher.

I am sorry if this is not gentle enough. But to be honest with you dear sister I am praying that God will give you greater discernment in what you read and listen to.

Please do not read into this as an attack on you or him, and I would not even have posted this if I had your email address.

Much love to you in Christ sister Linda, I btw, I absolutely love your passion and zeal for the Lord and your penchant for giving others the benefit of the doubt. But that does not mean we should put our heads in the sand either.

We are each entitled to our opinion but the fact is that SI is not Facebook right now, where anyone and anything is allowed to be posted.

I have my suspicions about Cahn but not about Conlon or Wilkerson who are both published on this site.

Promoting brother Cahn here is sanctioning his books and fictional beliefs. If we are going to do that then let's open up the flood gates and turn this place into a Christian Facebook.

It's not my website and I am not a moderator so I will let brother Greg have the final word on this.

By the way,
Without wanting to "get into it", Cahn NEVER set dates & said anything specific was going to happen on any specific day. And I'm not going to even get into the endlessly tiring job of defending what he shared, but you need to know the facts/truth before criticisizing such brethren publicly. I know EVERYTHING he did & DID NOT say. Others took what he said, cut & pasted out of the full context & added to it, to set dates, make ridiculous exaggerator statements about what would happen when & then everyone turned on Cahn when these others' add-ons didn't come true. Put down that sword of judgement & go through what he actually wrote, taught & said, otherwise - you should take your limited info judgement & criticism to the Lord. There's discernment & then there's just fault-finding, criticism, & judgementalness (3 sneaky forms of religious pride). And it's always directed at anyone with any "prophetic gifts" too. Let me ask you, who in this generation would you consider a prophet? Or are you in the class of cessationists who doesn't believe in such things at all anymore?
God Bless,
Jeff

You are right Mark and you put it very gently.
We can try and accommodate everyone but we need to find that "Narrow Way" and we need to know the direction we want to go, a bit like in Kadesh Barnea.
The basic instructions we have is to "go and preach the Gospel" - to be His witnesses etc.
Christ is everything - if once he is all we have.
Conlon or Wilkerson have a very strong desire to proclaim Christ and to build us up and yes to warn us when we need it.

Some good research on Mr Cahn's theories, speculations, conjecture and
cabalistic fuelled interpretations.

http://www.biblicalintegrity.org/2014/09/19/mystery-of-the-shemitah/

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2012/harbinger-zohar.htm

and

Here is the evidence that verifies that Mr Cahn and others are simply making things up regarding the shemitah .
This study was done by a Christian Professor, Dr.Adrian Zenz a
lecturer in empirical research methods at the European School of Culture\t
and Theology, Korntal, Germany.

https://rayliu1.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cahn-shemitah-research-report.pdf

This is a synopsis of the study (not mine but accurate)
"Results:
- Basically no statistically significant correlations between Shemitah time periods and GDP downturns. Most Shemitah years or Elul-Tishri quarters had actually positive GDP growth.

- In particular, no chance to correlate Shemitah year GDP figures to spiritual or moral developments. Most GDP depressions during Shemitah years or times were before WW II.

- Even though Shemitah years or time periods showed on average slightly more negative stock market changes, the explanatory power (or coefficient of determination) of Shemitah versus non-Shemitah time periods was one percent or less! Meaning, there is a lot of random variation in the data that cannot be explained by a month or quarter being in the Shemitah or not. 99 percent of stock market variation must be attributed to other explanatory factors.

Also, it makes you see how deceptive Cahn's book is: selectively pushing confirming facts, and deliberately omitting a whole host of disconfirming facts."

This has been done here on SI before, so I'm not sure it's worth the time, but he didn't say exactly what you're saying (& what he did say is TOTALLY confirmable If you're willing to look & not looking to "hack him"). Anyways, I've done this before & not sure it's worth it. And Rev, your info is not accurate. But hack him to pieces. Go ahead. Every idle word...

You saying it is inaccurate information does not make it is so.
No offence to you but prove your point otherwise these credible
sources will have sway in the matter

Dear sister Linda, I do not know how to say this gently but I will try. Many of us have left facebook because of the plethora of links to "dodgy" teachers. I do not mean to run Johnathon Cahn into the ground and that is not my intention. But this is a brother who has no links, articles or sermons on this website for a reason. And by "dodgy" I am using an Aussie term which essentially means, that you don't know what it is and can't really put your finger on it, but you are as yet still very unsure about an individual. In the case of Mr Cahn, he has made fortune and fame from fictitious stories that play into peoples fears and by perpetrating fables about end times matters. To the point where people take what he says almost as "gospel". This gives many of us here great pause about this so called teacher.

Saints,

We have been encouraging that other youtube videos and sermons are not posted to the forums in most cases. We cannot go through and listen and ensure these messages are Biblical and godly. There are hundreds of thousands of preachers on youtube and other sites with so many strange messages, ideas. We want most of the discussions to centre around materials on SermonIndex, which are not perfect, but are hopefully edifying to hear and promotes godliness in our lives.

At times something can be shared but we ask that in most cases we forgo sharing something that is controversial or not added to SermonIndex (in the tenor of speakers and emphasis).

When you drive into my city on the main highway you go down a big hill into a valley and the highway goes up with nothing but trees on both sides. Then standing oddly off to the side is a beautiful sign that says Barrie, it's a big sign with nothing around it but trees.

Now when people say they are going to Barrie they don't mean the sign. I have never seen people sitting by the sign eating lunch, in fact I have never seen anyone near the sign in the 25 years I've lived here at all, so what gives?

I'm thrilled by the blood moon and other words that have come out in the past few years. They are what they are SIGNS. Another 1/2 mile past the Barrie sign and boom the city starts to swarm out in every direction and on both sides of the same highway is a city of 140,000 people. But you would never know it from the Welcome to Barrie sign.

What the word from Cahn and others did was shake the trees, every prophetic wannabe in NA stuck out their necks and starting calling for dates, end of the world, end of time, rapture, tribulation, Elvis sightings, wrath of God, this date, that date, the real date.

Every person with two fingers a cheap camera and a YouTube channel felt the need to be at the front of the line and get it right, I saw guys with charts, girls with cats, pizza with extra pepperoni visions, NyQuil induced dreams and funny faces on animal crackers.

And all that was announced was SIGNS. That's it, the early warnings to repent, have some food at all times, get your money out of risk, lighten the load of crap on your life, SIGNS to watch and pray. But of course people go overboard and now the boat is far lighter and none of the non credibles will stick their necks out quit as quick again. I mean do you really think the Lord is going to return when Mr Jones in Sunday School could figure it out from a flow chart. I seem to recall something about a thief in the night and an hour when no one knows? But we are all called to recognize the sign of the times, it's vague but it's the right season!

But to the naysayers who will play it safe for the duration just look at the early warnings the signs have lined up with. Korea is testing nukes, Russia is looking to pick a fight with anybody, stock market confidence is equal to lending money to a bone fire, the Islamic State is front page every other day, The EU is going to go broke and dismantle and the US is going to have to elect a rock or a hard place while it's totally corrupt democracy is being exposed to the whole world. And the church has less influence on society than the Kiwanis Club.

Sounds like the last days to me.

Marc mc

Questioning one to be cautious & test all things is TOTALLY different from calling people basically money loving liars & cultish divination artists.

It's important to mention at the end of the day Cahn really did not assert very much in the way of action. All it did for me is make me realize that I was not prepared for even a 2 week crunch of emergency.

I bought 2 large steel storage units and filled them with stuff we need and use all the time ( we now just rotate new stuff through) and we took 10k ( it took us 3 trips for them to have enough) in cash out of the bank. That's it. And I realized I should have done this years earlier.

In a crisis the stores food is gone in a day and the banks as I discovered don't actually have any money in them anymore. It's all electronic fiction. If you don't believe me go and withdraw $5000 and look at their faces. The manager told me all we can give you is $2500 and I would have to go to the other branch for the the other $2500. Think about it, that's what they said when the sun was shinning and the world was going along its merry way. It's one big cartel.

Marc mc

I do not wish to disparage this man of God, because I am truly thankful that he stands up and speak Gods truths in warning against sin and Gods judgement.

If I have done this then I pray that you would all forgive me.

Even so, I also pray that we might all be caught up in and be entirely focused on Jesus Christ with a simple and pure devotion to our Lord.

May we learn Christ in this way and turn aside from whatever the ever-increasing-heap-of-teachers are saying to our itching ears.

Todd,
To stop more links (& I think I already did this once on here before) I will email you when I have a chance if your email is under your file & you don't mind?
God Bless,
Jeff

Mak,

Your probably right, Israel was given a way back to God. America is Babylon the great so........no way back.

marcmc

No Mak,
That's not what Cahn puts forth at all. He does not put forth a law, but corresponding results of God's Judgements as a historic pattern of God's "Ways" & principles in dealing with a nation that rejects him in wholesale by a very key set of ways. This is the most common misunderstanding of what he said/didn't say. Never comes from one who actually read the books & watched the videos in his own words. Only if you saw a 1 minute clip & deduced wrongly from it, or just googled it & read what the internet "hacks" on "discernment sites" (ironic to me because often these are the most lacking in the actual gift of "discerning between good & evil spirits") wrote to chew up & spit out everyone not just like them. Both of Cahn's books, The "Mystery" of the Harbinger & the "Mystery" of the Shemitah are called "The MYSTERY" (as in prophetic mystery), not "The Law of...". He is also always very careful & clear NOT to set dates, to say "nothing specific HAS to happen here as we might think, God's prophetic ways are easier to see in the rearview than to exactly detail them in the future, but I believe judgement of a greater shaking still is still coming & the one and only answer is found in the Messiah, Jesus Christ". I was extremely "skeptical" when I read the Harbinger. But after reading the whole work, seeing the things "beyond mere coincidence only", knowing the ways of God throughout the Word & even modern history since, etc., I am convinced the brother was on to something accurate & true. David Wilkerson said similar things to Cahn & most don't attack him as false (I'm pretty sure "Set the Trumpet to Thy Mouth", "The Vision", etc. were books that were printed & sold also). But for those that attack Wilkerson as false too, nothing will convince those people anyways in my opinion, for regardless of their allegedly publicly admitted theological Leanings, they are "practical cessationists" where no prophet is real until it meets "their" criteria (which no one ever does because they have a fundamental misunderstanding between the difference between OT Prophets' ministry & the NT Prophetic Gifting &/or Office). I have written on that here at length before & posted John Piper's article on "NT Prophets vs OT Prophets" which is the best short succinct article on the subject IMHO. But those who are convinced or not will likely stay that way I guess.
Anyways, God Bless,
Jeff

Not so. The way back is always the same for every nation (& every individual within any nation):

"Repent & believe the Gospel, & be Born Again"!!!
God Bless,
Jeff

And that's fine brother.

But just for clarity, I also don't believe we (as in America) actually have a "covenant" in the traditional/Biblical sense of the Word, with God either. Nor do I believe the judgements befalling this nation are "Laws" as a result of failure to keep a "covenant". But I do believe God's "ways" are the same nonetheless. And particularly if you read The Harbinger & look at the things that have taken place in America, & compare the similarities to how God dealt with ancient Israel & Detailed these things in the book of Isaiah: the events are beyond coincidence. And they are, if nothing else by the pure Statistical Analysis Laws of Probability, beyond the ability to be enforced, manipulated, or contrived by man. So I do think God uses these things to speak. And especially am not against the notion that He would do so in the country that has sent more missionaries, had more believers, etc. (historically, modern day harlot/apostasy aside). We still do fund 90% of the Christian missionaries in the world - FYI. So while Christendom is in a massive disarray of spiritual cardiac arrest here, even the remnant is enough to make the dealings of God with this nation (on top of all the other issues that are so "Sodomite" & "Babylonian" it's staggering) plausible.

It's the collective info/warning as a whole, along with the parallelism of the prophetic warnings of other great prophetic watchmen like Wilkerson, Katz, Tozer, Ravenhill, Dudamen, Gruver, Jackson, etc., etc. & what few things the Lord has spoken/shown to me & other "unknown" people in the Body that lead me to be perfectly comfortable with Cahn's message (not to mention His point in the end is ALWAYS repentance, faith, & new birth in Christ). Not saying Cahn is interpreting EVERYTHING absolutely 100% accurate/perfect, but again, name me one NEW COVENANT era prophet you would point to who was 100% SPOT ON PERFECT in everything they said, spoke, saw, shared, predicted, & how they interpreted such prophetic messages? I can't think of 1. That doesn't bother me ba cause I think I understand the NT Prophetic Gifting/Role/Nature/Office fairly well.

And so if we can't name 1 that's 100% PERFECT in all things, either they don't have to be (in the exact same way as the fully inspired & infallible OT Prophetic Words recorded in scripture), or they don't exist anymore at all since the closing of the canon (cessationism). These are the only logical & viable options. Anyways, just my 2 cents. And the fact that people say "we aren't under the law" de facto shows they don't actually understand the sharing of the Word in the first place &/or the nature of the what is intending to be (& not be) shared. A pattern in my observation that I have seen many times.
God Bless,
Jeff

Jeffmar wrote "Not so. The way back is always the same for every nation (& every individual within any nation):

"Repent & believe the Gospel, & be Born Again"!!!
God Bless,"

For clarity my reference was to the act that if America is under no concession of Isreal then a market crash is the least of concerns. America is Babylon the Great so repenting and believing the Gospel does not really line up with my reading of the outcome in Revelation.

marcmc