Why wouldnt Satan do all he can to prevent one world currency/government?

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Pnutty Jun 5, 2016

Give me ideas why he wants it to happen instead of keeping it from happening so that he can send many more to hell for many many more years?

With Jesus he really thought he won. He didnt discern from the Bible that the crucifixion would need happen.

But Revelation is plain as day, it is Satans end.

We seem to be moving so quickly to the cashless system, why wouldnt he want to monkey wrench that from happening?

It sure seems like he is helping it along to me.

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docs Jun 5, 2016

Why would Satan want to reveal Himself through the Antichrist if that eventually is to mean His doom and finish? Why wouldn't He be restraining to keep the AC from coming to his full manifestation if the eventual end of the Antichrist is to bring the end of Satan and his domination over the minds of men and this age?

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dolfan Jun 5, 2016

Assuming our end time understanding is even close to correct, I don't know if that is the issue. It looks like the entire affair of currency allows centralization of power. Centralized power on a global scale has never really happened. Last time it was even a shadowy lookalike the height of it was a string of would be gods in control. It was not that Satan was embraced, but that man became god. It is, after all, our great and controlling desire. Problem is there already is One. We don't care. The prophecies are not mere predictions, but are descriptive of humanity's greatest achievement: anti-Christ and an ultimate enthronement of self. It is inevitable. Satan is not necessarily the engineer. We are. Satan can't stop it.

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Pnutty Jun 5, 2016

Satan is not necessarily the engineer. We are. Satan can't stop it.

That is such a weird thought to me because I never thunk it! Wow.

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sermonindex Jun 5, 2016

Hi Tim, it seems to me to be the re-engineering of the tower of Babel. That great monument to the pride and the solidarity of the brotherhood of man. When the fullness of it comes, anyone standing against this solidarity will be ruthlessly dealt with "for the sake of unity and peace," which will be enshrined and worshiped as the zenith of mankind.........bro Frank

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sermonindex Jun 5, 2016

I do believe that Satan is very much behind and encouraging of the rise of anti-christ and the hatred of Christians and wanting to kill them all. I know it is not logical for Satan to want this as it spells out his ultimate demise, but where is logic in hatred? As a student of history, think of the illogical hatred of Nazis for Jews and Communists. It made no sense for Hitler to attack Russia and then have to fight a war on two fronts, but his arrogance and hatred drove him on. It made no sense to use so much of his rapidly dwindling resources in the last couple of years of the war to killing the Jews but his hatred blinded him to the reality on the ground and drove him forward in his quest to kill every single Jew. If hatred in a mere man can blind him completely to reality, what can it do to the author of hatred? People are blinded by their pride, what kind of blindness must the author of all pride be afflicted with?...........bro Frank

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Pnutty Jun 5, 2016

Frank,

So the most fun hateful Satan can have is torturing and killing the most Jews and Christians as possible, and without this one world govt he would be unable to achieve the numbers most gratifying. Even if in the end he ends?

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MrBillPro Jun 5, 2016

I'm not so sure that God is allowing anything to happen. The all knowing God has known all along whats going to happen, since he gave the world a free will, and as someone that can see into the future, he just warned us through his word of the things to come.

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sermonindex Jun 5, 2016

Satan resides in pride and arrogance, hence unbelief. He knows the bible but without the Holy Spirit illuminating the true spiritual meaning of the scriptures to him, he continues in his own self deception. Even if he knew the true meaning of the scriptures he has a darkened heart that is incapable of being a doer of the word which would mean he must bow down to Christ and be submitted to Him. That is why he slew the Lord of glory, not truly knowing what he was doing. He thought this was his moment to ascend and overpower God. If he knew the Lord's mission he would have done everything in his power to make Jesus comfortable, end all wars and make Jesus King of Israel on earth.

Satan has his "children" (children of darkness) that carry out his nature and God has His children, the children of light that perform His will. Those that dwell in darkness cannot see their way though they think they can.

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sermonindex Jun 5, 2016

Hi Linda, I dont think fun is a word I associate with Satan. He is the father of hatred and lies and pride and all that flows from this..................bro Frank

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sermonindex Jun 5, 2016

"Satan resides in pride and arrogance, hence unbelief. He knows the bible but without the Holy Spirit illuminating the true spiritual meaning of the scriptures to him, he continues in his own self deception." ... Amen

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sermonindex Jun 6, 2016

by appolus on 2016/6/5 16:05:09
Hi Linda, I dont think fun is a word I associate with Satan. He is the father of hatred and lies and pride and all that flows from this..................bro Frank

Satan is known as the "Destroyer". One only needs to look at history to see what he has accomplished through men.

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy...

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docs Jun 6, 2016

Not a head wound as many perceive but yet a wound from which he makes a miraculous recovery, a resurrection of sorts (one prophesied to come would die and be raised), which will dramaticlly change change world opinion toward him (Rev 13:12-14). Accompanied by his recovery if he then begins to displays signs and wonders (II Thess 2:9) the deal will be on as the mystery of iniquity comes to a full manifestation in one individual just as the mystery of godliness came to a full manifestation in Christ. Yet the saints have been warned beforehand and will not be in the darkness of deception - "For false Christs and false Christs will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I Ihave told you in advance" (Matt 24:24-25)

One of the peculiar values of prophecy is that it enables one to see ahead as the future is brought into the present and one can know beforehand and be prepared. At the end of the age saints will be endowed with the power of the Spirit and a prophetic literacy that will have informed and warned them beforehand so as to not be deceived. We are not in darkness that the day should overtake us like a thief. The prophetic word will guide the church as a light shining in a dark place (II Peter 1:19).

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TMK Jun 6, 2016

I'll have to read the Left Behind series again.

No better place to get my theology.

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docs Jun 6, 2016

And by your intentional sarcasm, what are you meaning to say?

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TMK Jun 6, 2016

Simply that it's been a while since I read them. I forget everything that is going to happen so if I read them I will be better prepared.

Since scripture does not mention one world government or currency or even Antichrist in the context of the head of such a government, I have to get my info from somewhere.

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docs Jun 6, 2016

Keep notes if you will since I've never read them.

The scripturtes do portray the AC as coming to have considerable sway over world events and finances to a degree and being backed by a condederation of kings for a short time. Plus he will eventually turn his wrath on the Jewish people and those who hold to the testimony of Jesus.

I'm thinking it's not out of of line for us to pray to be left behind because I'm assuming we would be praying a safe prayer since the church is to be here for the duration, forewarned and foreprepared by prophecy instead of blindly groping along not knowing anything or having any clue as to the times and circumstances.

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TMK Jun 6, 2016

The books are actually quite fascinating. I didn't really read them- I listened to the audiobooks years ago.

To be fair, this one world ruler is never called antichrist in scripture. Not sure why we do so.

At best we should call him Beast if we are inclined to a futurist interpretation.

A side note- I was telling my wife the other day that a cashless society would save a lot of trees- then I learned that US currency at least is not made out of paper.

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sermonindex Jun 6, 2016

Most of the world is already cashless. Do you have the "mark of God" on you or the "mark of Satan". These things are now, not coming. Are you displaying the image of Christ or the image of Satan? You will display the image of the one in which you are "marked".

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MrBillPro Jun 6, 2016

TMK....To be fair, this one world ruler is never called antichrist in scripture. Not sure why we do so.

Mr. Bill's interpretation of the "antichrist" would be, anyone that's against Christ, of course I'm a simple man.

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2nd John 1:7 KJV

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TMK Jun 6, 2016

Very true J and Bill.

I haven't had cash in my wallet for quite some time. Just an observation- not speaking to the wisdom of same.

Bill- that is how the AC term is used in scripture.

As to marks on hands and foreheads, consider this:

Exodus 13:16 And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the Lord brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand.”

If those "signs" were not literal why should those in Rev 13 be literal?

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sermonindex Jun 6, 2016

The "mark of Christ" on the "head" of a Christian is a renewed mind (mind of Christ, Eph. 4:23) and the "mark" on hands are (members that are yielded to righteousness, Rom. 6:13,19). We help, we care, we bless, and we support others with our hands. We work as unto God, and we bless the Lord lifting up holy hands to Him. (1 Tim 2:8). Our "hands" (as a member, it becomes representative of all of our members) are now employed in the Kingdom of God to make peace and reconciliation between man and God (Gospel) and to walk as Christ walked.

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docs Jun 6, 2016

Most of the world is still buying and selling with cash and hard currency. How can most of the world already be cashless?

If this mark is now and is symbolically spiritual or whatever what does not being able to buy or sell spiritually represent?

17 and he (a personal pronoun indicating a person) provides that no one should be able to buy or sell, except the one who has the mark, eityher the name of the beast or the number of his name.

If this mark is to be symbolic then how can one spiritually and symbolically not be able to buy or sell? What spiritual truth does not being able to buy or sell represent?

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TMK Jun 6, 2016

A possible explanation is that a person marked by God must not participate in the world system.

Isn't the worldliness of the Church one of the great scandals of this day, and aren't the preachers on SI calling the Church out of this system?

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dolfan Jun 6, 2016

See, I am just the opposite. I only use electronic money to pay bills with. Everything else is cash. I hate using a card. I get looked at like a drug dealer but I don't care. I prefer cash.

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sermonindex Jun 6, 2016

by docs on 2016/6/6 13:19:16
Most of the world is still buying and selling with cash and hard currency. How can most of the world already be cashless?
If this mark is now and is symbolically spiritual or whatever what does not being able to buy or sell spiritually represent?
17 and he (a personal pronoun indicating a person) provides that no one should be able to buy or sell, except the one who has the mark, eityher the name of the beast or the number of his name.
If this mark is to be symbolic then how can one spiritually and symbolically not be able to buy or sell? What spiritual truth does not being able to buy or sell represent?

I would be happy to tell you what it means to "buy or sell" as it is being used in it's context in Rev. 13:17 . But, I would like to give you a chance to figure it out, first.

I will give you a tip: You do know that money is not the only currency, I hope. Our lives are also "currency".

Isa 52:3 For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.

What does the Lord mean in this verse when He says, "come ye to the waters" and even if you have no money, you can still "buy and eat"? What are they using for currency? The Lord says to buy wine and milk anyway without money and without price.

Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

What does thirsting represent?
What do the waters represent?
What does the wine represent?
What does the milk represent?

And one last clue that might help you: Jesus counsels the Laodicean church to "buy" of him gold "tried in the fire" and "white raiment" (clothes).

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Hopefully, this will help you figure out what "buy and sell" in Revelation refers to.

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docs Jun 7, 2016

Rev 13:14-17.

14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life.

15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,

17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

What you speak of has nothing to do at all with these scriptures and their context. This is an evil personage requiring all to have a mark to be able to buy and sell in his system. It has nothing to do with the Lord spiritually marking people or God's people being seen as currency.

4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (Rev 20:4)

This beast is the fourth and fianl beast of Daniel and the beast that is exceedingly dreadful and terrifying and different than all who above all that came before him (Daniel 7:7) Who are the souls of those beheaded because of their testimony? It can't be represenative of saints during the centuries because relatively speaking few have been beheaded in the grand sum of all martyrs. These are saints at the end of the age who are persecuted by the final beast and who had not taken the mark on thier forehead or hand. I doubt beheaded means spiritually beheaded etc. These saints had taken no mark. It has tiobe future because it's close to the time of the resurection mentioned in the same verse - "and they came to life."

Where's the context in youir statements?