Orlando Shootings: Is it Hate/Terrorism or Judgment?

The news is reporting this tragic incident as being a hate crime and/or terrorism on what little I have heard. I see these incidents as a form of judgement from God and not just coincidence. As the country is rallying to unite, there is no mention of the sinful lifestyle that the bible clearly condemns as sin and our nations need to repent.

As they unite its as if they are uniting to fight against God and missing what is really behind Gods hedge of protection being removed.

One of the Mayors mentioned a scripture about people reaping what they sow and had to print a retraction because people cannot call sin, sin.

I am finding more and more people are absolutely afraid to say what is really going on when things like this happen.

When the towers went down in 2001 both Pat Robertson and Oral Roberts said it was judgement but then later caved in to the outcry of the people and had to retract their statements as well.

Is this what most Christians believe? Are Christians afraid to call evil evil?

As with most subjects like this on SI I guess I have to mention the caveats.

I do not hate homosexuals, their sin is no different than any other sins mentioned in the bible. When I have ministered to homosexuals I use the law and I do not mention their lifestyle until they do and I let them know that their lifestyle is only a symptom of a much bigger problem.

But the truth is practicing homosexuals are not going to heaven. I also know that when destruction comes upon those who mock God and His commandments and continue to reject the conviction of the Holy Spirit as well as that of their own conscience's that when their destruction comes it will come suddenly and without the opportunity to repent.

Based on what I have heard from the media on what has happened makes me sick to my stomach because nobody, and I mean nobody is speaking the truth. These events whether its a high school, elementary school, movie theater, mall, airport, etc.. are warning signs, wake up calls, or "Hello people! I am trying to get your attention here"

As it was in the day of Stephen, I can see people literally hanging you from a tree if you so much as mention that sin is sin and will one day be punished by God.

Its events like this that really shows how far America has fallen and may very well be beyond any hope of redemption. Her pride and arrogance is a stench in Gods nostrils.

I condemn this barbaric act of violence, too. Unfortunately
this tragedy will just further the cause of the LGBT movement. and distract from the real problems that they impose on the rest of society.

This is definitely not God's judgment. It is a clever plan of Devil to suppress the truth. Now anyone who proclaims God's word against Homosexuality will be seen as the hate guy. This could be the start of persecution to true Christians who are already few in number in this nation.

I keep thinking about the scenario that Bro. Frank posted a few months ago about a possible scenario that would precipitate persecution of Christians. This could be used as a springboard to enact stiffer penalties against "religious extremism".

I also agree that we need to fear God more than man. More of the fear of the Lord is something I have been asking for, with trembling. May the Lord baptize us afresh with the Holy Spirit to boldly proclaim the Gospel.

I will be praying for you, brother. The Lord may not be done with you yet.

Thanks for the replies brothers and for the words of wisdom and truth as there is much to ponder and consider here.

Regardless, I believe the severity of these events are going to continue to increase and also see deepening persecution on the horizon. Frank you are right about the Holy Spirit and as those whom are anointed to preach the truth will definitely suffer persecution and yet I see revival somewhere in all of this.

Neil, praying for you brother and trusting the Lord for a good report.

Well said Renee, I am right there beside you on that. As a result of your statement I also see these events causing many people to run to and to run from the cross of Christ.

Soooo does anyone have any word on the "controlled explosion" conducted in the building after the shooting by law enforcement?

Not ready to go quite as far as bothers Neil and Julius just yet but....
This does seem quite "convenient" as previously related-

As far as it being judgement...well the Lord said it would come to His house first...

Brother Neil,
Lifting you up to the Lord, wether He brings you home here or unto Himself you'll be coming home soon:)
Might have an opportunity to share the gospel to the health care workers:)

Its a great question.

from Wikipedia:

"The Bath School disaster was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on [date deleted], in Bath Township, Michigan, that killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and 6 adults and injured at least 58 other people.[Note 1] Kehoe killed his wife and firebombed his farm, then detonated an explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final device in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder to take place at a school in United States history."

Was this act God's judgment? If not why not? Why is the Orlando shooting and the above act not God's judgment?

The above incident happened in 1927.

Are drive by shootings by gang members that kill innocent children God's judgment?

At what point is it God's judgment and when is it just an evil guy doing an evil act?

I don't have any answers- only questions.

Ha! No disrespect was intended dear brother, it's just that on a personal level I'm not there yet with you and brother Neil. Didn't mean to suggest either of you have gone too far, just that while I can certainly share in the skepticism and can appreciate the logic, I personally have not put the time in on this to be able to be an outright proponent as such.

But on a dif note..... Did anyone else notice that brothers Neil and Julius share a common perspective?!! Nice to see you brothers agreeing for a change,.. That's something to smile about:)

Brother Todd,
Well idk bro, if we say it is definitively "Gods Judgment" then we'd be opening up a can...
Not saying it's not so much as we'd do well to have a scriptural consistency to help illustrate our point.
But in either case it's an interesting subject to delve into and I hope we are all praying that this will bring people to the Lord for comfort, answers, and especially salvation!
Cause as I see it, lots of people were just sealed in the destination of hell and that's nothing to cheer about!

These false flag theories have always fascinated me.

Has there ever been a **proven** false flag operation- I don't mean in the war context but I mean crimes committed on American soil. Just curious. I know there are deniers of the Sandy Hook incident but there is absolutely no credible proof.

It seems clear here that a radical Islamist and perhaps craxy shot up a gay bar. Didnt that happen?

There may be a message to a the above verses regarding the situation in Florida. Let us certainly take heed to yourselves. But also pray for those that have been impacted by this terrible tragedy that they will find Jesus.

Amen brother. I too felt that there is a message behind this. Think about it, if a Christian who fell for a homosexual temptation went to the bar and was shot dead, how ugly it would have been. He would have died without a chance for repentance. How will he able to stand before saints who were killed for the testimony of Jesus even if this guy happens to go to heaven.

I could have easily been such a person. I want to stay away from the pattern of this world as much as possible.

Once my wife and I were crossing a club, she saw looked at the lights that they project on sky to and fro to show that this is a happening place. She said this is a Net that Satan throws to catch people. I always get reminded on it when I see a club.