where does the concept of unconditional love come from

I have read the scriptures through many times and I cannot find this concept in scripture
Please can anybody help me

I guess it depends on whether you think God loves sinners or not. If that is not unconditional, then what is?

Here is just one example;

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(Romans 5:6-8)

Sounds unconditional to me.

In Christ,

unconditional love is not the same as unconditional salvation

Well said.

I have loved Jacob and hated esaw,, there seemed to be no unconditional love for esaw, as we see god had for jacob,,

God hates all thoses who do iniquity,,, the bible also says that

Also dieing for someone doesnt nesasarly mean one loves them unconditionally,,

I might die trying to save someonei dont love or dont even know , just because it was my duty ,or reaction to save some one ...

I might even hate some one yet still die trying to save them

Jesus dieng for the ungodly, does not mean nesasarly , that he loved all pedafiles and rapests, and massmuderes, unconditionaly ...

Also the elect come to mind that just as jacob was one of the elect ,so jesus also must love unconditionally those whom he new would benfit from his death ,paul is talking about when he said christ died for the ungodly, wile we were yet sinners .... Regardless of our view of election ,christs view was that he chose ,called ,fornew ,predestined,,,is uncondition love was manfeist to some definitely,, but some as the bible says ,were made to be caught and destroyed , like the false propherts.. The antichrist, and many others the gosple his hidden,jesus said he spoke in parables for that reason ,so that hearing they may not hear ,,

God resists the proud ,but gives grace to the humble .......

Grace is part of gods love manfest through the spirit ,which is the manfestation of gods love ,

The wrath of god is revealed from heaven ,against all ungodlness ,,,,,this is a manfestation of not love but a righeousness hate and anger ,hence the turning of people over to a debased mind to do those things which are not fitting...

Obviously that does not contradict the scriptures that say god hates all those who do iniquity , does it..

That scripture is speaking of a general love he has for his creation ,is says nothing about unconditional love , but refures to gods love to jews and Gentiles, obviously jews struggled with the idea that god had chosen to save some gentiles .....
The world if i rememer in greek was cosmos ,or that our world for cosmos comes from that world ,,,,and acualy it is speaking about the world rather then sinners in this instance ,,rember the whole of creation grones with labor pains now ,waiting for the revealing , of the sons of god ,it was subjuct to futiliy ,not willing ,but in hope ,,,, god loves the world

God is agape'. 1 john 4:8

Julius so you're saying god loves and hates a sinner at the same time ,is that how you deal those scriptures??

My thing is leting the scripture interprate scripture ..

To start with no where in any parT of the bible to my knowledge,

A verse that say god loves and hates sinners , its not there,one would need to inject that statment, wich is dishonest,,.

But the bible does say god loved jacob and hated esaw,and the context was gods choice his election ,and it had nothing to do with works ,because the bible says the choice was made before they were born , so if see that prinicaple in action ,that makes it clear that god does do that , that can explain away the seeming contradictions........

That verse regarding esaw shows no indacation that god ment to say that ,but god rejected esaw and alloud his birth right to be taken from him ,esaw was descibed in averry negative way by the apostals , not becasue god loved him less , also that esaw saw the wrath of god ,but jacob was blessed , paul compared him to one that ends up in hell, not being justafied ...

The verse jesus spoke was obviously not in that context ,our familys we are Comanded to look after ..

But esaw recieved no blessing from god , he said i hated ..

Jesus said unless you hate ,in an intirly differnt context ,, our familys were to be number one under god ,jesus made it clear in other verses what he ment by saying if any one loves his father or mother more then me he is not worthy to be my deciple , mathew recored jesus saying that .

But when it comes to the bible saying god hates all thoses who do iniqiuty ,and i have jacob and hated esaw,, we see clearly what god ment by rejecting esaw,and killing and judging punishing servealy , those who did iniquity ,,,that wasnt because he loved them less , but because he hated there sin ,,and what a man does so he is ,and wha he seaks so he is ,,he hated them and manfested, a holy righteous hatred and anger ..

4The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD'S throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men. 5The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates. 6Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup.…

Ps 11"15

4For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with You. 5The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity. 6You destroy those who speak falsehood; The LORD abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.…

Ps 5-5

Sister it is a nonessential to me if you beleieve that god hates sinners ,,but i beleieve the bible states that , i would stil worship god beside you ..!!

I hope you dont mind me posting some scripture , i nomaly dont post large amounts , but to get cotexual flow of pauls leter sometimes it is esential....

6It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children. On the contrary, "Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”a 8So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring. 9For this is what the promise specified: "At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”b

10Not only that, but Rebecca’s children were conceived by one man, our father Isaac. 11Yet before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad, in order that God’s plan of election might stand, 12not by works but by Him who calls, she was told, "The older will serve the younger.”c 13So it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”d

14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Absolutely not! 15For He says to Moses:

"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”e
16So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”f 18Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden.

The Calling of the Gentiles
19One of you will say to me, "Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?” 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?”g 21Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use?

22What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? 23What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory”” 24including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles? 25As He says in Hosea:

Verse 15 ,seems to take the idea that jacobs election was just a calling ,and that esaw only missed out on that , but that Jacob receved mercy and compassion, and esaw did not ,,mercy is a associated with a blessing that is linked with salvation in this case ,as at the time jacobe need no temporal form of mercy ,for was not under that type of judgment ,

Also the harding part was mentioned as a withdrawal of blessing ,regarding election , so esaw. Edited...who god hated recieved the opasite of compassion as did pharo .

In verse 22 now paul links the idea of gods wrath and destruction upon those that are not elect,, rather then the context being just a special calling ,it seems to travel right to the end of the road,,then paul includes us and the saved jews into the story of gods choosing to show love to us rather then punishment and gods hate and anger which palms speaks about in the verse i posted .......

Well i dont realy want to go of the track we were on ,even tho unconditionaly love ,has alot to do with unconditionaly election..

But the idea that it is a pesonal thing is also taught in there places ,

28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified.

Other places we a told we have been chossen , being chosen and being predestined, hold close to the idea of election ,

Peter starts his letter ,to the elect accoring to the forknowlage of god ,

Wether we want say there was a corpret election through forknowlge of god ,which comprmises all the believers through time , or a personal election wich still composes all believers , still makes no difference ..

But your right that verse you posted doesnt touch on election, but it ovioully does in the following verses , and we know only certaint people are elected ,weather god did in a group choice ,which was specific , or pesonal choice .

He makes that clear by saying pharo was selected for gods judgments to be shown..

Lol no you thinks so !!

We better stop then before the doctrine haters arive,,

But before i bow out notice verse 19

The Calling of the Gentiles
19One of you will say to me, "Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?” 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?”g 21Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use?

It becomes a verry personal exeperence , its seems gods choice to change some and not others ,was an isue that the hearers of paul were objecting to ,so paul brings forth the sovereignty to god as the winning argument ,to the hearers in rome , case they didnt like the sound of pauls leter in this passage ,,

Why would some say ,god whyhave you made me like this ,who can resist his will , if election was not true in some personal scenes, or if the idea of election and predestination was easy to except ,,,

Some people make the doctrine easy to except , wihich would nulafie this verse , and paul using the sovereignty of god as the answer is evn more perplexing, due to the fact that ,the idea of a sovereign god that not only selects peoples accoring to his good pleasure , but also makes them holy or leaves them unholy and hardens there hearts more according to there folly., this seems even harder to except , but that was pauls answer....

J,

You say, "He died for the Pharisees, as well."

Scripture say, "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep."

"I am the good shepherd; and I know My own, and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep."

"The Jews therefore gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, "How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.” Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these bear witness of Me. "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep. "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. "I and the Father are one.”

Stop ripping verses out of their context.!

Jesus plainly tells us who He is laying down His life for(i.e. dying for).

Your prideful arrogance shows as you begin your post thus, "Try this one, Gary."

If God does not love sinners then how in good conscience can he demand that we do so?

The idea that Jesus only died for a pre-chosen elect few is repellant.

Tmk ,because we were one of them ,and to some degree still are,due to our flesh

That suggests that we have moral obligations to do good that God himself does not have.

That seems like exceedingly dangerous ground.

Gods asks us to forgive all sinners yet he wont do that he casts many into hell does that make him wrong or is there unrighteousness with god

Brother your stament is much closer to that ground ,

Apples and oranges Gary.

I didnt get that...

So your say love for some one has nothing to do with forgiving some one ,,,what planent are you on bro ,i want in ,the last time a cheaked here on the thirid rock ,,,forgivness comes from love ,,and if you want to love you better learn to forgive .....