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RogerB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLpGqGDDADdlnDI9ZQY0Fs0sd_hwpEQBhP&v=WwuUSkriLKs

Breaking: Russia Commander Warns Of Preemptive Strike on NATO Forces

When a Russian Commander tells you that Russia will not back down, that President Putin has tried to warn western media, but his words have fallen on deaf ears. When the leaders of Russia warn that NATO is escalating tensions that could lead to war. When a Russian commander tells you even the year that these tensions could lead to a preemptive strike, then it is time someone wake-up!

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I know crazy.

I have a few dreams from the last several years ago with Russians in them (when Russia wasn't really "the news" like they are now either).

One of them I will never forget. This angel was standing over the couch where we were all sitting & the phone rang (old School type land line phone). He answered it & spoke in Russian to the person on the other end, but somehow I knew what he said. He told them it was time & to commence in the attack. I could see a serious sobriety in this angel that wasn't messing around or to be trifled with. As soon as he hung up the phone, I saw some kind of airplane (like a bomber) flying overhead.

I knew this represented the resolve of the Russian armies once called to war. Faces set like a flint while everyone was distracted, playing video games, watching TV, etc. It was surreal. And I woke up heart pounding & in a cold sweat. That was probably like 3-3.5 years ago or so?

Totally lines up with the prophetic visions of men like David Wilkerson, Dimitri Dudamen, Henry Gruver, TD Hale, John Paul Jackson, etc. too

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Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

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Just FYI - I'm not "troubled".That feels like a straw man when you share these things & people go straight to that. Jesus actually tells Jerusalem when to "run for the hills" in the Olivet Discourse, told the church through Agabus when to store up food for a coming famine, & has done several such things down through history by the prophetic gift and prophetic insight (& He speaks through dreams & visions like He said He would in the Last Days too).

And these weren't just "rumors of wars" but a dream (dreams actually) I had personally.

And Jesus also spoke of "when you see all these things..." We can know it is near even at the door. He was saying don't be worried, fearful, overwhelmed. He wasn't saying, "stick your head in the sand & don't ever even give it a thought or speak of it ever."

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Well said Jeff,

Proverbs 22:3 A prudent man foreseeth the evil and hideth himself, but the simple pass by and are punished.

I have made a variety of preparations in my life for my wife, myself and my 5 children. Not from fear, worry or concern but because the bible tells me its wise. Some would read take no care like the birds to mean just sit on your couch and wait for the grocery store to drop off some food. I would say consider the ant.

Marc mc

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Ok guys. Am I supposed to believe that nuclear annihilation of the planet is imminent and not one major news source says anything about it?

Please give a reasonable explanation how that is possible. Note I said reasonable.

EDIT: plus this Paul Craig Roberts guy, the source of the information on the video, appears to be a loon.

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For sure God does provide the birds with the worms and grubs in the insects and seeds. But the birds still have to get out there and dig around for them. At least that's what I see when I look out my back window.

And so there is responsibility on our part for preparation. But there are those in this forum who would be cry that as fear.

Anyway just some thoughts.

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dolfan

Todd, I didn't watch the video. I'm only trying to walk this out from the Scriptures and the Lord's own dealing in my heart, mind and spirit.

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Wise move, Tim.

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Ditto, Todd and Tim.

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Romans 8:35-39
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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RogerB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLpGqGDDADdlnDI9ZQY0Fs0sd_hwpEQBhP&time_continue=251&v=z_dSvKKo-vQ

Switzerland is moving gold to the US. They say war is coming.

Why have all the Ukranian officials fled?
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/07/confirmed-amidst-sharpening-crisis.html

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Amen Julius!

We must remember these words!

But that doesn't mean these things shouldn't be looked at in reality.

You know what it reminds me of honestly? What if Agabus stood up in the book of Acts and prophesied the coming famine to Jerusalem for which preparations were made & someone stood up and said:

"Take no thought for the morrow, what you shall eat or drink or what you shall wear....seek the kingdom of God & all these things will be added into you".

Would there be truth in that statement? Of course! Jesus said it & had it recorded in red letters so it's true! However, if used an excuse to ignore a prophetic word of warning, it would be out of step with the spirit of God would it not? And it would have, in that case in particular, cost many lives. It would also be "despising prophecies". I'm not saying you're doing that, but sharing a warning in line with true prophetic words/warnings ISNT NECESSARILY "WORRYING".

I know what the Lord has shown me (in part through a glass dimly for sure, but nonetheless intense) & I am not "WORRIED" but I am not naive with my head in the sand of "Tony Robbins style optimism" either. 😊 If in cases where true prophetic warnings (prophetic words, prophetic dreams & visions, etc.) are sounded one is always getting such responses what it looks like is "practical cessationism". Where people say they aren't cessationists, but practically speaking where the rubber meets the road they are. Or they are the sole end all be all final judge of what is and isn't prophetic, from God, & what they consider "ridiculous".

This is important. No one should be running around in a fretful & worried spirit. I agree. But blowing a trumpet or sharing what the Lord has said &/or shown isn't always necessarily worry. The prophets all throughout scripture and time know this. And God still sent them.

Blessings,
Jeff

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Jesus was very measured and balanced in His teaching and preaching and with so many reading SI, I am grateful that I can post scriptures that provide a balance to Christian living.

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Roger my man you need to find yourself some reputable news sources. You're going to drive yourself crazy.

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1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

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I don't want to spread fear. I just see world events and pass on what is not reported in America. I realize we need to have trust in Jesus. I do. But at the same time there is wisdom in looking at events around us. Jesus said when you see these things happening around you will know the end is near. it's important to see things around us. I don't want war more than any other person. In reality, Jerusalem has been surrounded by many different armies for some time. The word didn't say they would all be fighting. Just surrounded.

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I Love that verse Julius! Only in context it doesn't mean stick our heads in the sand when major world history events are starting to come up on the horizon around us. It's talking about not fearing punishment because we are loved by God (& so are free to love others). Let's look at it again, but in its actual Biblical context (which will show us it's original intent):

17By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. 18There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

True as it says elsewhere that "God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love & a sound mind", but again, what if such verses were quoted as a response at Agabus' prophecy in Acts? Or what if when Jeremiah, Hosea, Isaiah, Jonah etc. stood up and prophesied of impending judgement if the people didn't repent, the only response was "Joshua said fear not!" Someone actually did do something like that in Jeremiah actually now that I think about it. It was Hannaniah, the false prophet.

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Ahhh, that's great, you'll love this verse too, then.

2Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

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Lol. Did you even read my post? I already quoted that one for you. 😊

But application of scripture & context is everything. If in WW2, standing in front of a German church building a saint told another one "a bomb!" As it dropped out of the sky, would you think an appropriate response would be just standing there and saying "perfect love casts out all fear"?

Or even as Hitler came to rise, what of those who refused to stand up & speak truth in the face of it and just said "our kingdom is not of this world"? Would that be an appropriate application of that scripture? That way of thinking would have saved Richard Wirmbrand a trip to prison, but he didn't do it.

The best example for an analogy is the one on Agabus prophesying about the famine & if someone would have quoted Jesus on "don't worry about tomorrow....take no thought for what you will eat or drink...seek ye first the kingdom of God & all these things will be added unto you.." Have you not at least considered that (you didn't respond to the question/idea I posed)? Or that people can look at the news & what's going on without "worrying"? Not worrying & occupying doesn't necessarily mean being a monastic hermit with his hand in the sand, you know? I'm not trying to be contentious or argumentative either friend, honestly. Have you even been open to consider what I'm saying at all?

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The problem is that these conspiracy theory news sites sole reason for existing is to spread fear so you keep going back to the website so you can be prepared. The problem is that the stories are not true and you never have peace. But the worst part is the fear they spread never happens.

If the nuclear bombs go off there is really no preparing. Lots of people don't have the means to dig bunkers or store months of food or take out 10000 in cash or gold. But even if you could, it is not yours. As a Christian you would have to give it away. Even if you don't do that you will have to shoot people who come to take it. Are you going to shoot people to protect a stash of baked beans? Can't see Jesus doing that.

I understand being spiritually prepared but the survivalist mentality is very hard for me to relate to as a believer.

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Yeah, TMK...it's like crying wolf. You certainly don't raise children this way. Parents don't communicate frantic messages to their children every time they hear a rumor or have a dream. It would be a terrible way to leave. It is a reactionary way to live. We should be living proactively according to the Spirit not reactively according to the "media".

Php 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Php 1:28 AND IN NOTHING TERRIFIED BY YOUR ADVERSARIES which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
Php 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

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1 Thessalonians 5:3

While they're saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them sundenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.

Ephesians 5:17-18

Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men but as wise, making the most of your time, because the days are evil. So then do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is.


Very foolish. Very very foolish. For the American believers to ignore the warnings that God is giving to His church. James reminds us that the judge is standing at the door. Peter reminds us that judgment will begin with the household of God.

And yet there are those who are mocking and scoffing to those who are giving the warnings. But then I think of Noah who preached righteousness for 125 years calling for that generation to repent. And that generation scoffed at him. Eventually the door of the ark slammed shut and only seven were saved.

Forum take heed. Take heed to the warnings that are being given. The Lord Jesus Christ is getting ready to judge His church in America. But God in his mercy is giving us warnings to prepare both spiritually and even physically as the Holy Spirit gives wisdom.

If these God given warnings are rejected. Then it will be with the gravest of consequences. And we will not be able to stand before God and say why did you not warn us.


Posted with the greatest of sobriety.

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Bear are you telling me I should pay heed to wacko conspiracy and "alternative news" websites whose sole purpose is scaring people with untrue stories so they will become addicted to these sites and keep coming back? Is that really what you want people to do, especially believers?

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dolfan

I'll be honest, I am not concerned about war on America. I am concerned about the sleeping worldly church in America. Wars are and will be. Living in a war ravaged nation is hellish as history demonstrates and current events prove. My concern is that a deceived church that loves the world and believes a false gospel is not prepared to endure the difficulties aimed at it from the world and Satan, which certainly include persecution but is by NO means limited to that as THE means of delusion and hatred of the truth of Jesus.

We are nursing rohypnol and climbing in bed with the haters of Jesus while telling ourselves we love Him. It is more dangerous to true faith than persecution. It produces false faith and unbelief and confusion.

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TMK,
I don't fully disagree with you concerning the fear mongering survivalist news sites. For example, I would never advise a believer to watch Alex Jones (I grew up with Alex in Rockwall, TX, partied & fought with him, know how truly crazy he is and what sort of truly satanic/demonic activity he and his family were into, & I Believe likely still are actually). But lumping Infowars type stuff with basic good "alternative" news sites (alternative to The far left liberal MSM PROPAGANDA of CNN, MSNBC, etc. & yes, even Fox News, whose most major shareholder-ship is a Muslim of Saudi descent), & with economic & world geopolitical news, AND ESPECIALLY with true prophetic words, dreams & visions is ESPECIALLY unwise. And the type "despising" of true prophetic dreams (& visions) being espoused by Julius here is extremely unwise. It's very "natural" in the sense of not spiritual at all, & not wise or Biblical. And again Julius, there you go again - "NEITHER BE TERRIFIED"... No one here I believe is saying "BE TERRIFIED" (I am certainly not I know - NEVER). But you don't answer the Biblical questions I ask from Biblical questions & then keep your head down plowing forward with the same rhetoric but actually avoiding my questions? Why is that? What if you stood up in Acts & quoted this verse in the ekklesia where Agabus just prophesied of a coming famine (like calling Paul Washer's prophetic warning "ridiculous" & quoting verses that have general wisdom & Biblical guidance but would not apply rightly to Agabus' prophecy to prepare for a coming famine?).

Or what if such was said to Joseph as he stored up for the famine and the saving of all of Egypt & Israel? And what if when Paul had a dream NOT to go somewhere specific or got a prophetic leading by the Spirit that his ship would crash (but he and the crew would be saved) someone told him that was just fear mongering based on a dream, etc.?

I'm not saying Bear is "doing it perfectly" or that these sources are the best to glean from, but I am saying the statements you are responding with as blanket generalization statements to the potential prophetic warnings of God through events around us, prophetic words, dreams and visions are "despising prophesies" -esque & come across as "practical cessationism". Not only that, but the straw man of continuously quoting "DO NOT BE TERRIFIED", & the characterization of any sharing of any burden/warning as "fear-mongering" is as unbiblical and wrong as actual fear-mongering would be itself.

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Yeah, amen Tim, that's good! I am praying that those who are "in the valley of decision" or that are "backslidden" & apathetic - when what's coming does finally come, it rattles them out of their distraction, apathy, & worldliness & that God is turned to in mass. And I hope that one of God's divine purposes in the true prophetic warnings (not the cooks, loons & self-motivated merchandisers) is that people see and remember that God loves enough to warn ahead of time through His servants the prophets, & see both God's omniscience & His love for them by warning ahead even when they didn't heed. I totally believe that as the greatest trials in America's history as a country come upon this land, it will be the toughest time ever in America & will perplex & shock "even the godliest among us" as David Wilkerson said (not just the theological scripture quotes & debators in a vacuum of theory, but when facing it in real life), but I also believe that out of it, many who have not even considered God heretofore, & many who have been seduced into distraction, worldliness, lusts of this world, materialistic security, etc. will be faced with eternal realities to a greater degree & there will be a harvest in the midst of great pain. I believe that with all of my heart. "Does the Lord do anything except He first speak it to His servants the prophets?" "I have told you these things ahead of time that you would not be offended..."

It will be a day when "playing church" & all the gray areas I believe will be removed.

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dolfan

Now, I'm gonna sound like a hypocrite. :)

I WILL admit, though, that we are taking steps re: food, shelter, protection in case of an extended emergency.

In that vein, I do want to submit to your individual prayerful consideration the food freeze dryer sold by Harvest Right. We're praying about it and seeing about partnering with some family members in getting one of their freezers. Lots of YouTube videos about the product, its use and the benefits of freeze drying meals and staples.

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Don't sound like a hypocrite at all to me. Just balanced & wise. Those that think it's "fear-mongering" can come to my house for a meal (& fellowship) when it all goes down & I wont judge them the way they judge me. 😊 that is, If I am still in America when whatever is coming comes. May the Lord's will be done!

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There is no coming judgement of the Lord towards believers. It is already here and has always been, towards those that are carnal and are still sinning.

They are hanging over the gates of hell, held by a thread.

If they have not heard this message before now and repented, then fear for their lives is not an acceptable reason for acceptance.

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I do not know about the so-called "wacko websites" that are being referenced here. But I do know that in the archives of this ministry there are men of the caliber of David Wilkerson, Art Katz, Denny kenniston, Paul Washer and others who have warned of upcoming judgment on the American church. These are men that have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and walk and talk with God. It is to our danger if we do not heed their words of warning.

I shared one of the prophetic messages from one of these brothers in the forum. Some dismissed him as ridiculous. Forum my heart trembles. If we reject the warnings that God has given us that it will be grave consequences we have to pay.

We will not be able to stand before God and say why did you not warn us. Let us take heed the admonition out of Revelation that says he that has an ear let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. In this case he that has an ear let him hear what God is saying to the American evangelical church.

Posted with grave sobriety from the foot of His cross.

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TMK

Bear this thread started with link to a website which got it's info from a wacko guy who is a sandy hook denier along with other loony ideas.

This specific thread is not about legitimate prophetic voices.

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http://the.mysteryofisrael.org/2014/07/21/where-god-is-taking-the-church/

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Bear this thread started with link to a website which got it's info from a wacko guy who is a sandy hook denier along with other loony ideas.

This specific thread is not about legitimate prophetic voices.

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Really Todd. Is there such a thing as legitimate prophetic voices is in this forum. One brother who spoke prophetically was called "ridiculous". I'm sure if someone were listening to David Wilkerson he would be called the same.

But these brothers are in good company. For even the prophets of the Old Testament were rejected, scorned, and ridiculed by those who heard their words.

Simply my thoughts.

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I would say there are some legitimate prophetic voices on the forum.

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I did some googling and found this article from the Los Angeles Times. Realize this is not a wacko website. But probably best described as a liberal humanistic paper from the American Press. But then that is what we expect from the American mainline press. But suffice to say that Russia has been building up their nuclear forces over the last few years.

The article came out in 2012.

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Russia says preemptive strike on NATO missile system is possible
A top Russian military official says that if the U.S.-led missile defense project in Europe continues as planned, Moscow would not rule out attacking it.
May 03, 2012|By Sergei L. Loiko, Los Angeles Times
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MOSCOW ”” Russia may consider a preemptive strike on a missile defense system in Europe if the U.S.-led NATO project continues as planned, a top official said Thursday.
Russian Chief of General Staff Nikolai Makarov, in a sign of the tension between Russia and the United States over the missile defense plans, said during an international conference that a strike by his country might be possible.
"A decision to use destructive force preemptively will be taken if the situation worsens," Makarov said.
Makarov's remark followed a statement by Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, who said Russian and U.S. consultations on the subject were "close to a dead end."
"This will mean that the U.S.A. and NATO intend to develop the ABM [anti-ballistic missile] system without taking Russia's concerns into consideration," Serdyukov said. "Now our countries are faced with a dilemma: We will either pass a cooperation test and jointly react to new missile challenges and threats or will be obligated to take up military-technical measures given the realization of anti-missile plans."


Serdyukov said Russia doesn't agree with the opinion "that it is impossible to come to terms on the ABM issue."
In November, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev threatened to withdraw from the New START nuclear arms control deal with the U.S. and deploy missiles aimed toward U.S. defense installations in Europe after becoming upset over missile defense consultations between the two countries.
Russian officials Thursday showed a computerized version of imaginary strikes by Russian nuclear missiles on imaginary targets on the U.S. East Coast.
Alexander Vershbow, NATO's deputy secretary-general and a former U.S. ambassador to Moscow, said that there was no desire to disturb global strategic stability with the planned missile defense system.
"Quite the contrary: NATO missile defense will be capable of intercepting only a small number of relatively unsophisticated ballistic missiles," Vershbow said. "It does not have the capability to neutralize Russian deterrence."
Alexander Golts, a defense expert and deputy editor in chief of the Yezhednevny Zhurnal, or Weekly Journal, a liberal online publication, said in an interview that the Kremlin was building political pressure before the NATO summit this month in Chicago, but probably had no intention of following through with a strike against the U.S. or NATO.
"To deliver a preemptive strike means to unleash a war which the Kremlin will never dare," Golts said

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This is a link to an article by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. To the best of my knowledge this is a well-respected news source. The article came out in 2014. It discusses a preemptive strike option by Russia.

Again this is not a wacko new site. But a very serious publication. The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists are the ones that maintain the Doomsday Clock.


http://thebulletin.org/why-russia-calls-limited-nuclear-strike-de-escalation

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I provided the articles to simply show that Russia has to be taken seriously. Putin is stirring up of Russian nationalism to a forever that hasn't been seen since the days of Stalin.

When a nation full of nationalistic fervor starts talking about using a first-strike nuclear option. We better take them very seriously.

Simply my thoughts.

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I respectfully disagree with what you said as a wholesale broadbrush statement Brenda. I believe it's in Jude, 1 John, and the words of Jesus Himself things like:

"I will tell you who to fear, fear Him who has the power to kill the body and cast the soul into hell.."

"Save some through fear, pulling them from the flames.."

Etc.,

You may have personally gotten saved when everything in your life was going great humnaly speaking. Many people, I dare even say most, did/do not. It's often a life shattering trauma, an addiction that can't be shaken where reality is setting in, a life changing event, etc. that puts people on their face and looking up to the heavens for answers. Not everyone, but MANY. And so often a major shaking can awaken a sleepy/backslidden/lethargic church &/or can finally get the attention of the one "too busy with their happy life to worry about God".

If a rich man hardly enters the kingdom, it's because his perceived self sufficient riches keep him distracted from eternal realities (Ecclesiastes says it's better to go to a funeral than a party & the wise man takes to heart this is the end of all men."). So, if riches and comfort are stripped away & distractions can't keep reality of the weight of events and changes around one from considering reality, I could definitely see God using such fires to purify distracted saints & bring sinners to Himself! Definitely.

Any judgement this side of Judgement Day is actually always an act of mercy. Never doubt or confuse that.

"There's no aetheists in foxholes or on their deathbeds" may not be true 100%, but there's a reason it's said and tends to be true in large part

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Interesting that on the Day of Pentecost, Peter did not warn the Jews about the coming Destruction of Jerusalem and how they need to prepare for it. In fact, I see nothing about preparing for it from the Apostles words. Only Jesus, before He died, spoke of it. Where are warnings from Paul, leading up to 70AD??

In Acts 2, Peter preaches Jesus!

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by brenda7 on 2016/7/28 11:19:22

There is no coming judgement of the Lord towards believers. It is already here and has always been, towards those that are carnal and are still sinning.

They are hanging over the gates of hell, held by a thread.

If they have not heard this message before now and repented, then fear for their lives is not an acceptable reason for acceptance.

That's good, Brenda. Judgment begins at the household of God.

Also, note what is said after declaring we are not appointed to wrath.

1 Thessalonians 5:11
Wherefore COMFORT yourselves together, and EDIFY one another, even as also ye do.

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Yes Julius, those who are in Christ have no fear of judgement but most are not in Christ though they think they are.

Jeff
Turning to Christ for fear of death is not the same thing as reaching the end of oneself where death is often desired. There is no true repentance in fearing for ones life.

I am speaking about those who think they are in Christ but have ignored the scriptures and teaching that warns them that he who sins is not in the kingdom.

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TMK

Bear- a first strike option has always been on the table for both Russia and the US. As you know the 50s were very unstable times and we came very close during the Cuban missile crisis.

Russia has always rattled its sabre. Not saying at some point they may not mean it but like I said Russia has always been a serious and credible threat.

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Interesting because the apostles didn't need to reiterate what Jesus already said in warning (arguments & reason from silence is not solid) . They were preaching evangelistically because that is what Jesus sent them to do. Surely you're not implying the apostles preaching "trumps" or nullifies Jesus' words?

And Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for understanding the weather but not discerning the signs of the times & even clearly laid out things to watch for & said "when you see All of these things", etc.

And yes, we are not "appointed to wrath", but wrath as opposed to tribulation in context are two different things and "the rain falls on the just and the unjust". Based on the way you are attempting to appropriate application of "we are not appointed into wrath", then the believers during the great tribulation (or RIGHT NOW in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Nigeria, Eritrea, etc.) must not be the Lord's or something? Context and application of scripture is SO important. If scripture is used to "make my point" or win my argument" it will always be misapplied. If it is applied responsibly & in its context, it makes a world of difference!

"Satan's Fury, God's (Corrective) Judgement, & God's wrath are not all synonymous terms and concepts in scripture & you're using them (incorrectly) as totally interchangeable

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RogerB

Steve had some new videos of military hardware on the move to Crimea and also in Eastern Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLpGqGDDADdlnDI9ZQY0Fs0sd_hwpEQBhP&v=kTaQHQSsmpA

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RogerB

Who taught these people that they should hate one another and kill one another?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLpGqGDDADdlnDI9ZQY0Fs0sd_hwpEQBhP&time_continue=5&v=YmMDFNMwC2M

And shooting begins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLpGqGDDADdlnDI9ZQY0Fs0sd_hwpEQBhP&v=Ifxraeq0v2k

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Oh wow. That could be big and lead to much bigger implications

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