High notes from both political conventions.......

I agree with much of what you post here and other places, my time is just not there to reply Brother. If H C gets in I believe the count down clock to swift and sudden destruction will start, if Trump I believe that we have a little time , perhaps just enough time to get our houses in order. I do believe there will continue to be pockets of revival all over the country, I also believe that the land will continue to vomit out this generation as part of God s judgement( nature is at war with this country.....thus the vomiting out the inhabitants). The reason I do not see massive revival is because I am not sure how many pastors of churches can be trusted with moves of God and the growth that comes with it. I see small localized gatherings as being the safe havens with believers fellowshipping on a more personal basis and praying for each other on more specific details , which means there will be a closer tie to each other, more like a close knit family. There are some specifics I could give on Hillary but will not here.

The Rhetoric surrounding Christianity and radical islamic terrorists attacks is already in the process by the main stream media of equating the two as if they were the same, and in our politics the same is being spoken about to the extant that the world see s no real difference, to them Christianity is just as harmful and so the devil will tie the two together and attempt to make both as extremists groups not to be tolerated. I also believe that there are times that God allows men to do what ever men do, and then there are times when God steps in and says that this will happen or that will happen and there is no force that will stop it, I believe we are fast approaching such a time. The hearts of men will fail them for what they see coming. For the Christian Jesus gave us "His" peace, we will go from glory to glory. So even in warning or in judgement, our lives are hid in Christ. I don't see things as doom and gloom but I do see them as kind of a matter of fact, and fear mongering? Not really so much, all thru the ages Christians have been getting martyred, its just now that we see it live streamed over the net so we are more exposed to the rest of the world, that's all.

I imagine a lot of Jacobs will soon be wrestling with God pretty soon as the situation worsens. Pretty soon all will have to choose sides. If one really looks at the world situation as a whole it's in a terrible mess. I don't see any human solution on the horizon. Seems like all nations are insolvent and not enough jobs. One side wants to eliminate most of the world population to a manageable level and only the choice left. Seems that was the theme of Diamonds Are Forever in a James Bond movie.

I often wonder if hard times would make people seek God or push them into a survival dog eat dog mode. We are at a very crucial time it seems.

RogerB "I don't see any human solution on the horizon. "

I believe you are spot on here , absolutely dead on the mark

Brother Bear "For this has surely not taken Him by surprise."

You are right here , but I have to tell ya, this election cycle has really blown my mind, such a lack of wisdom and genuine direction and leadership.

Many many today are speaking of coming judgment on America and the nations. But what context does that take place in if it is the judgments of the last days meaning this final set of occurrences is to end in the second advent of Christ? The last days are essentially the time of God's final chastising and covenant dealings with the elect nation Israel that possess the covenants and the promises (Rom 9:4) that have blessed the rest of us to such a large degree. Salvation is of the Jews and our salavtion is because we were allowed to participate in a covenant made with THEM. God's final dealings with Israel will be the same time that He pours out His final judgments on the nations. A American senator was visiting with Derek Prince in Jerusalem as Brother Derek was somewhat bed ridden and approaching his passing. The Senator asked what to expect and Derek said he believed the judgment on the nations had already begun. This final judgment on the nations coincides with the final dealings God is to undertake with this nation that Christ ascended from and promised to return to. This dealing and the growing hostility of the nations against Israel, rooted largely in the controversy of who is to control Jerusalem, will eventually spill over and threaten world stability and peace. It is hoped and a object of prayer well worth seeking that at this point a church already straitened and having passed through a time of purging and cleansing beforehand will be in place to articulate what is going on (Dan 11:33, II Peter 1:19) and to give understanding and point others to the only place of safety which is Christ. So persecution and tribulation may be ahead but why is the real context so largely ignored by so many modern "prophets?" The man of sin's fury will be directed agaiunst the physical seed of Abraham whether they are redeemed or not and against a church that has chosen to stand with Israel in the hour of their deepest trial and is preaching the gospel to everyone. This is the context in my opinion that is missing from so many modern predictions of many "prophets." As Brother Katz said many times, this context needs to be restored if the church is to undertstand and enmbrace its destiny and role in the coming days and years. One sign predicted by Daniel is that at the 'time of the end' that there will be a renewed interest in the writings of the prophets. I think we need to be about remedying the prophetic illiteracy that still hangs over so much of the church. Prophecy is a lamp shining in a dark place (II Peter 1:19) that brings the future to us now as it gives insight and understanding (Daniel 10:12).

4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] (at the time of the end) many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God's purposes are revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great. (Daniel 12:4)

Does anyone have insight why the overwhelming majority of Jewish folks vote for democrats when republicans traditionally back Israel? I have never understood this.

Republicans back Israel, but many Jews in America do not. Many, if not most, American Jews love Israel but love American ideas more. American ideas are increasingly opposed to Israel's own policies. Jews here do not consider themselves as exiles or expats and most of them are American by birth. Their heritage is American Jewish and not simply Jewish, and certainly not Zionist. So, bottom line is Republicans think more about Israel than many Jews in America do. The misfortune wrapped up in that is that men like John Hagee drive no small amount of the American Republican heart about Israel and Hagee could scarcely BE more wrong about Israel. Like the old country song that says, "I love you for all the wrong reasons and you love me in all the right ways," American Republican love for Israel is wrapped inside a twisted lust ABOUT Israel fueled by Hagee's perverse ideas and expressed in money and political support for certain pol parties in Israel, and Israel's gov't/political parties reward them with access to feed their Hagee style Christian Zionist fantasies. It is a grand money and power trip loop.

Thx Tim.

Whose side are American Jewish people on in regard to the two state solution in Israel? Do they care, in general?

Flip a coin. :)

Yes bear but you are making assumptions.

What if Trump is the best president since Lincoln? We know Hillary won't be 😖

Bear, I hear you. My view of human government is way more jaundiced than that. All human government including ours is one long irredeemable rebellion.

I've compared political choices as hitting a wall going 150 mph or hitting a wall going 120 mph. Christians are not controlled by the driver, are not jeopardized by the speed and are not stopped by the wall. Our problem is we love the car.

We deserve Donald Clinton and Hillary Trump (joke intended) insofar as democracy is concerned because Americans love corruption. Even the church in America loves corruption as demonstrated in its soul-selling admission to the tables of power (and the show we paid to see is just about over). Of course, God does judge that. We've no reason to consider America, ourselves as Christians, or the times we occupy as anything worthy of God's admiration.

Will the POTUS continue in office? Nah. I keep hearing people say that and it just --- nah.

I wish we'd ALL repent of the whole affair, right down to our heart level, and say, "We have one king, Jesus, and one nation, the Church of Jesus Christ, and one rule, His Word, and to no other do we owe any debt but to love."

Blaine "But could it be that God is showing us the futility of trusting in the political system. "

I think you may be right, I mean wasn't the nation of Israel looking for a political fix when Jesus came on the scene? They wanted freedom from the Romans and Jesus offered them freedom from sin and peace with God among many others things, I do believe you may be right here.

Bear I think you are perhaps grossly overstating your case. I doubt that very many Christians would view DT as their "savior." Many will, however, view him as a better option than the alternative. These are two vastly different things.

TMK, they are vastly different. Very true.

But, I do take exception with our collective Christian judgment of "better". Better implies goodness in the first place. We are not good. What we have is a measure of peace and order. But, even socialist England has that, and so does communist Russia. If we judge "better" by the system's toleration of Christianity, we are on a sliding scale. America would be in the top of that scale.

But, what if "better" is an environment where gospel truth, though rejected and not tolerated by the social order, is starkly contrasted with that order. If that is our scale, America is not better. In fact, I would offer that it makes us one of the most spiritually dark places on Earth right now.

We have another option. We can unplug our minds, our hearts, the grid through which our very thoughts flow, from this entire way of viewing the world and opt for the sole authority of the kingdom of God in Christ. We can and do subject ourselves to the belligerents who dominate this order, and we do so in love for them that they might hear and believe the gospel and be saved. But, our subjection stops right there, on a dime. We do not give one slice of our hearts or affections or allegiance to this order. In this view, and I think it the biblically proper one, none of the world's options are "better", but are realities which we bear and bear witness to them that their end is soon coming.

I am not quite ready to abandon my vote in order to install what I feel to be the better option. I understand your disdain for the political process but I do not see it as sinful to vote for who I prayerfully view as the better candidate. I can only judge what is better based on the HS within me. What I cannot do is the irresponsible thing of not voting and thereby possibly allowing the worse option to be installed. That may make me a heathen but I have no strong conviction that it does.

God saw fit to have me born in the USA. I make no apologies for that nor do I ask any apologies from him. I like it here. I could have been born in a Calcutta ghetto where I never would have heard the gospel before starving to death at age 15.

So as long as it is legal for me to avail myself of the political process to vote freely I have a responsibility to do so.

I have to ask myself under which administration would the KOG be more likely to thrive. And that is the vote I must cast.

I see no reason why we cannot vote and he true Christians as well. I see no reason to leave all the votes to pagans.

Blaine:

I believe you are correct regarding this being judgement against America. This process began long ago and I believe the spirit of delusion is only increasing upon the church here in America.

I read in the Christian Post that 78% of Evangelicals will be voting for DT and that he is the best choice. Article can be found here:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/why-voting-for-donald-trump-is-a-morally-good-choice-part-1-167239/

Back in 1998 I saw Bill Clinton on TV with his wife and I believe the Lord spoke very clearly to me that HC would one day be the President of the United States.

As judgement came upon Jerusalem and Judah this is the portion of scripture the Lord quickened to me regarding America and her future:

Isaiah 3:1-26 CEV The mighty LORD All-Powerful is going to take away from Jerusalem and Judah everything you need-- your bread and water, * (2) soldiers and heroes, judges and prophets, leaders and army officers, (3) officials and advisors, fortunetellers and others who tell the future. (4) He will let children and babies become your rulers. (5) You will each be cruel to friends and neighbors. Young people will insult their elders; no one will show respect to those who deserve it. (6) Some of you will grab hold of a relative and say, "You still have a coat. Be our leader and rule this pile of ruins." (7) But the answer will be, "I can't do you any good. Don't make me your leader. There's no food or clothing left in my house." (8) Jerusalem and Judah, you rebelled against your glorious LORD-- your words and your actions, made you stumble and fall. (9) The look on your faces shows that you are sinful as Sodom, and you don't try to hide it. You are in for trouble, and you have brought it all on yourselves. (10) Tell those who obey God, "You're very fortunate-- you will be rewarded for what you have done." (11) Tell those who disobey, "You're in big trouble-- what you did to others will come back to you." (12) Though you are God's people, you are ruled and abused by women and children. You are confused by leaders who guide you down the wrong path. (13) The LORD is ready to accuse and judge all nations. (14) He will even judge you rulers and leaders of his own nation. You destroyed his vineyard and filled your houses by robbing the poor. (15) The LORD All-Powerful says, "You have crushed my people and rubbed in the dirt the faces of the poor." (16) The LORD says: The women of Jerusalem are proud and strut around, winking shamelessly. They wear anklets that jingle and call attention to the way they walk. (17) But I, the LORD, will cover their heads with sores, and I will uncover their private parts. (18) When that day comes, I will take away from those women all the fine jewelry they wear on their ankles, heads, necks, ears, arms, noses, fingers, and on their clothes. I will remove their veils, their belts, their perfume, their magic charms, their royal robes, and all their fancy dresses, hats, and purses. (24) In place of perfume, there will be a stink; in place of belts, there will be ropes; in place of fancy hairdos, they will have bald heads. Instead of expensive clothes, they will wear sackcloth; instead of beauty, they will have ugly scars. (25) The fighting men of Jerusalem will be killed in battle. (26) The city will mourn and sit in the dirt, emptied of its people.

People say this is all more the reason to vote for DT but there is more concerning judgement upon America.

Isaiah 30:1-3 KJV Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: (2) That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! (3) Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your confusion.

For true Christians there is a refuge in the Lord. It does not necessarily mean we will escape unscathed from what is going to come but we are granted eternal life if we endure to the end.

Gods grace is sufficient. I've been told that if I do not vote for DT it is the same as casting a vote for HC.

One question I ask is which candidate do you think America deserves? I do not claim to be a prophet but judgement is eminent we would be wise to look unto the Lord.

Jeremiah 17:5-8 KJV Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. (6) For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. (7) Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. (8) For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

Proverbs 11:30 KJV The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

In your words brother, these are my thoughts.

Blessings