A Sobering Warning...Only a Few Will Heed

IN my opinion, we got a bit of a reprieve...Now if we can have a revival of faith in Jesus Christ...Could Happen... I HOPE So!

Please remember, NO President does anything alone, someone else approves, votes, etc... the biggest problem with this country is, the church, most churches today are run like businesses, and we're reaping what we have sowed. It sure would not be very Christ like to start dissing someone that has not even had a chance to prove himself, I hope and pray he makes all the haters eat crow. Only and only when the church decides to get up and do something about the church, can we expect any change in America. My grandmother use to tell me quit worrying about someone else's house, until you clean up your own house, message here is, church it's past time you quit blaming others for the condition this country is in, and clean up your own house first.

I agree with everyone's responses and I even felt led to praise the Lord for a 2nd chance on Wednesday morning. I hope and pray that he can do what needs to be done but deep down I will still watch and pray.

I say that because Trump is NOT nor will he ever be the church's answer, Jesus Christ is. I sit and watch because this whole thing could turn on a dime... on us, because God will not be mocked and He is a jealous God.

If we are not in the end times, I can't help but feel we are entering the city limits of it with the top down, the sun shining, and the praise music blaring.

Mike Pence Story:

We Need Jesus More Than Ever Right Now'
Christians across the nation have voted, and the results are in. Donald Trump will be the 45th President of the United States. But just a few days ago his VP, Mike Pence, released a new video, detailing his personal faith story.

Whilst Pence grew up in a Christian home, he says that it became personal when he gave his life to Christ in college. "My faith became my own when I made a personal decision to trust Jesus Christ in my freshman year in college. That night, my heart was literally broken wide with gratitude and joy. When I came to realize that what happened on the cross, in some small measure, happened for me."

Pence continues "the truth is that the strength of our nation has come out of our communities of faith. Throughout our history, it has been the voices of faith that have driven our nation to a more perfect union."

Pence then offers a call to prayer for the US. "I'd like you to encourage you to do one more thing. And that is to bow the head and bend the knee in the days that remain in this election. Pray for our country. Pray, not that God would be on our side, but that we would be on his side."

"I truly do believe in my heart of heart, that what's been true for millennia is still true today. That if his people, who are called by his name, will humble themselves and pray, he will again do as he's always done, he'll hear from heaven, and he'll heal our land. This one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"All I know today is that I need Him more than ever. He is the center of my life, and my family's life."

Hi All
In essense along a few threads on the subject we have the ridiculus situation where forum members cant even see the good in having a Christian Vice President in the White house or even if they do they have to take any joy out of it.
I said it before but il say it again,some christians long for persecution so much that they cant see the wood from the trees!Their are some people who actually think that it would be better if we had no Mike Pence's.
If we are to get persecution I hope it comes soon so I wont have to read this stuff lol
Come on guys recognise the time that God is on the move... or at the least has slowed up the march of the enemy in the west.
You werent happy that Hillary was going to be President and Now when the impossible happens ur not happy with that either.I played a dirge and u dont lament and I played a happy song and u wont dance!
Yours staff

"There is a great deception thinking Donald Trump will bring revival to the Church or it will bring in a era of prosperity. Of course the greatest advocates of Donald Trump since the beginning were strictly prosperity gospel teachers and mega church leaders."

Come on Greg, where did you get this stuff
from? I don't know of a single Christian that
believes that Donald Trump will bring revival
to the church.

Judgment does begin first in the House of
God, and you are not going to see much
repentance taking place in the personality
cult churches, but I see it everywhere in
the true church.

Wouldn't that be awesome?

Here is what I (think I) know:

1. Jesus knows His sheep and is known of His.
2. His sheep hear His voice.
3. His voice tells us to do the Father's will.
4. Our Father is working all the way up to now and still works.
5. His Spirit speaks to the churches.
6. The love of many waxes cold and the church pursues the voices of deceit and does not obey the Spirit and Word.
7. God reserves a remnant for Himself.

As long as all of these is true, there is hope for the church to awaken and repent. By nature, a "remnant" is small. But, it is sufficient for His pleasure.

We must, brothers, lovingly approve that in which God has placed His own delight. He approves His peculiar remnant ekklesia. Let's be patient, at this moment when our emotions and passions are strong about the state of our nation. Let's be patient before we reach firmly held conclusions about the scope and size, location and composition of the remnant. I have convictions on it. Many here do. Some agree, some don't. Fact is, none of us has complete certainty on exactly how and what God is doing what He does. Right now, I think none of us may be so clear of the American in us that we can speak clearly what the Christ in us is doing with us. Let's seek further His sanctifying work in all of us.

Christians that voted so as to keep Hillary Clinton out of office are not rejecting Christ nor acting under the influence of delusional seducing spirits.

There is still intercessory prayer and prayer calls going on across the nation. I was just on one that is very powerful with seasoned intercessors, and I would like to encourage the brothers and sisters on Sermon Index that have a heart to pray for our nation to get on this prayer call as you are able.

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"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.” Psalms 118:8, 9, KJV.

Hi Dspks,
Nobody is putting thier trust in Donald Trump but we are recognising that fact that God had his hand in it and wonder what is he up too.So I think that your scripture is unfair comment.
On the name of the Post "A Sobering Warning Only A Few Will Heed" it is elitist and reflects the wrong position of alot of people regarding persecution on Sermon Index.Now even when something with the possibility if not the actuality of doing good like having a Christian Vice President they cant see the good in it.Thier type of Christianity is Joyless and depressing,
Yours Staff

by Staff
On the name of the Post "A Sobering Warning Only A Few Will Heed" it is elitist and reflects the wrong position of alot of people regarding persecution on Sermon Index.Now even when something with the possibility if not the actuality of doing good like having a Christian Vice President they cant see the good in it.Thier type of Christianity is Joyless and depressing,

I'm not sure this is the reason but isn't Pence a Catholic? I'm going to give Trump and Pence a chance but I don't believe I've ever seen anybody on sermonindex endorse a Catholic.

I don't understand it, the majority of Christian's love and revere Ronald Reagan but it is well documented that he and Nancy consulted astrology for like 50 years. What's up with Christians overlooking that? Just asking!

If Christians want to make America strong again, we had better be building up the foundation in our own lives with prayer and also for the next four years in Washington. Because Trump has 2 years to do what he needs to do or the revolt in the Senate and the Congress could be like the Republican revolt in 2014 except it will Democrats in the control of both houses.

No matter who's in there, God has commanded us to pray for them!

God bless,
Lisa

It appears he started out RC then went evangelical.

by staff
Hi All
In essence along a few threads on the subject we have the ridiculous situation where forum members cant even see the good in having a Christian Vice President in the White house or even if they do they have to take any joy out of it

No one is rejecting Christ as King for having voted to keep Mrs. Clinton out of office. Evangelicals have not proclaimed we have no king but Caesar. You ought to stop browbeating the church because a lot of it voted.

Brother Bear wrote - " The evangelical church will get more grief under Trump than they would have ever had under Hillary Rodham Clinton."

Would you please elaborate or just qualify this statement with facts or even theories as to how you see this as true?

None of this resets the clock in anything. I don't care whoever the POTUS is, the church is still asleep, the world still arranges itself satanically against Jesus, who is the lone Sovereign. This outcome changes nothing. We are far, far more concerned with it than God is.

The only way that the Church and the nation will be in worse shape with Donald Trump as president is if the Church quits praying and believes that Donald Trump and the Republican party are the answer.

God has sovereignly moved in this election because of the fervent prayers of the saints. Donald Trump will be used by God to literally clean house in our government. The Democratic Party is the party of death having aligned itself with abortion, Planned Parenthood, and a number of other issues that are against the will of God.

The Church will be the determining factor as to what happens in this nation. We have a choice to either agree with God and pray His Will down into the earth or we can fall asleep again and suffer the consequences.

Brother Tim,
I love you bro and have come to respect your walk as it seems to be full of integrity, kindness and love. Also you have been quite articulate in presenting your position on matters of country wether legally, politically or historically,...and I can say they have benefited me.
In this instance however, things are much different from my understanding. That doesn't make me right or you wrong just a different perspective...which we know even the apostles themselves had at times.

For me, God indeed concerns Himself in the affairs of men and while it's the the end of His glory, He nonetheless appoints, annoints, raises up, and makes low not only men but rulers and kingdoms alike. While I totally get your point (and agree) that many are overly focused on the position of power rather than He who gives the power, that (for me) doesn't negate that He does still delegate and relegate positions of power or rule. Using even the evil for good 😊

Also I don't see the world being at war with Jesus, as He already won and overcame it,... rather it seems the world (system) is against His church.
Which brings me to conclude on a point upon which we definitely agree, and that is that she (the church) has been in a slumber for a long while, but I am hopeful that the awakening is at hand. Persecution isn't coming, it's here and has been here but we've been too sleepyheaded to resist it but as we awaken and resist it will increase proportionately.

Hi
All end times positions have upsides and downsides.
This post is the downside of the Post Tribulation view.
It cant tell the good in anything.
Not one poster has put their trust in Donald Trump,not one but it is clear that the post continues to say that.
We recognise that God had his hand clearly in this election thats all,we hope that God can use this Presidency to halt Abortion and we hope and pray that the new Vice President will have a Christian influence on the new President.What is the point in praying about Abortion if when God answers we say its a deception."The persecution gospel"is another gospel it lacks any sense of grace and releys on fear.Their is some truth in it but thats all and I feel that members have invested so much time in it that they wont row back,
Yours Staff

Well I'm for Trump, and not ashamed of it, of course I'm not lead by man either. :-)

Hi Sherri2,
I think ur missing my point.Im not saying that their is no persecution or that their is no grace in suffering.
Im saying that their are times when their is persecution and times when their is not.Clearly no one is saying that their is no persecution.
Also I am saying that we are not called to preach persecution but we can be called to warn of persecution.
Clearly it is better for America that we have a Christian Vice President but this rather great news runs contrary to the narrative of alot of Sermon Index members of persecution behind every rock.Its too good of news for this narrative.
So instead of welcoming the fact of having a VP thats a full on Christian we get the "deception stuff" because they cant even be Joyous about that one clearly positive outcome.
It might upset the persecution narrative.
Hey it may not turn out well 4 years from now but its better than having a President full on for Abortion dont you think?
Yours Staff

Staff I tend to agree with your observations. The verses about not dancing when they played the flute and not mourning when they played a dirge is directly applicable.

In other words, if you are bound to always see the downside, nothing can stop you.

Hi Bear,
I just dont agree with almost anything you say here its all "red herring" dialogue.
We have a Vice President that is a full on Christian and you cant say thats a good thing,we will have a President on an anti Abortion stance and you cant say thats a good thing,thats the point it doesnt play with your narrative.
The majority of the time Time Jesus or Paul didnt preach perssecution whereas the majority of the time members of the forum preach persecution thats the difference.Mind you none of them seem to make any kind of "nailed down prophesy" of when that persecution will come.
Again you quote the Church is putting its trust in Donald Trump even though all the posters have said our trust is in Jesus but recognise Gods hand in this election.
Because you cannot recognise Gods hand in the election(or maybe you think he cant interfere with elections) you then logically follow on your view that America should be poor,small remant(basically elitist) rewards etc,

Let me hear you admit its good to have Vice President thats a Christian and Its good that a President campaigned against Abortion???Surely you have to agree with that.Its hard to accept anything else if you cant agree with the obvious
Yours Staff

Hi Sherri2,
Lets all go to Korea and Eritrea then it will be good for us!
No Persecuiton preaching has its place but it shouldnt take up such a high percentage as it is with some of the posters on SI.When it does it becomes another gospel and ungraceful.
Their was a time when Paul was persecuted badly but their was a time where he had a house to live and recieve people in where he had no persecuiton.

Let me hear you rejoice when good things happen
I challenge you to admit that its a good thing we have a Vice President thats a full on Christian and that its good that the new President campaigned on against Abortion......
Yours Staff

/When believers voted for Donald Trump they were in essence voting for Donald Trump to maintain the status quo and to continue to live out their comfort and ease in America. Yet they were delivered from Hillary Clinton and the persecutions that she would have certainly braight against the Christians. But in voting for Donald Trump they have voted to continue their prosperous lifestyle and the choke out the Life of Christ as Jesus expounds in the thorny ground hearer. American Christians will continue for a time to maintain their prosperity. But in so choosing they are rejecting The Life of Christ and the purity that will certainly come or would have come through the fires of persecution./

It seems it can be legitimately asked if a church actively seeking its own persecution and martydom is seeking the glory of God or its own glory. One cannot wish for or browbeat the church into persecution before God's own appointed time. Nor can they nor should they assign a second rate staus to those not undergoing persecution.

/And I'm afraid the American church will not be counted worthy to enter the kingdom of God. For those believers who are trusting in Trump will not certainly have any rewards or reign with Jesus.

Forum you have gotten Donald Trump. You will rejoice with his victory. Yes you have denied Hillary Clinton the presidency. But I am afraid you have lost your right to reign with Jesus in heaven./

So if we perhaps voted to keep Mrs. Clinton out of office we are no longer saved? These words bring condemnation good bro when one reads them and not conviction. There's a vast difference. A subtle type of righteousness by works - works/ righteousness - may be in play here. Meaning you earn a higher standard of righteousness and acceptance by God by undergoing persecution or martydom and the exchange of His righteousness for our sinfulness at the cross is subtly exchanged by adding a bit of human effort and merit into the mix.

Even the early church that was persecuted in Jerusalem ended up fleeing to other places instead of just staying in Jerusalem and perpaps being martyred. They looked after themselves and thieir lives in the mopst practical manner. There doing so did nothing to diminsh the martydom of Stephen and others. There is a high premium God places on those who undergo martydom but it can't be said that the church not undergoing persecution or martydom is second rate in God's eyes. All soldiers are trained to fight and perhaps die but not all experience that. Soldiers who fight and live are not second rate or living beneath their calling.

/And I'm afraid the American church will not be counted worthy to enter the kingdom of God. For those believers who are trusting in Trump will not certainly have any rewards or reign with Jesus./

What if they believe in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus at Calvary? Where does it say that one becomes "worthy" by suffering persecution instead of what transpired at Calvary? How can voting for Trump and against same sex marriage and abortion on demand cause one to lose their reward in heaven? This type of negative works/rightoeusness needs to be guarded against.

No one is thoughtless of or careless or unaware of the fires the peresecuted church is undergoing. Yet wishing it on all Christians before it is time is fruitless. If it's coming it's coming yet in God's time. Perhaps this election gave us a bit of a reprieve even if short lived. I don't feel condemned or not "worthy" because of that.

Meanwhile, my hat is sincerely off to those working for and on behalf of the persecuted church.

Blessings.

CalvaryCom
"Christians that voted so as to keep Hillary Clinton out of office are not rejecting Christ nor acting under the influence of delusional seducing spirits."

Amen to that!

I guessing that this scripture still holds true?

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Would Mr. Trump being elected fall under "ALL THINGS"?

Bear-
You seem to be suggesting that christians should have voted for HC in order to hasten persecution. To that, I say balderdash.

You also seem to be blaming American christians for living in a land where there is not (yet) state persecution. And again I say, balderdash.

Greeting All

I see this issue has many parts and to answer it as one leads to confusion and Division

* Persecution: Is the signs that follow preaching the Gospel as the world cannot handle the truth and light of Jesus Christ. There is preparation for the persecutions so that Saints do not faint under the heat and are equipped. This is where Ephesians instructs us. We are commissioned to preach the good news of the Gospel through out the world and it is how the world reacts to this. If we have persecution rejoice that we are counted worthy that we can drink of the same cup as our brothers and sisters before us or suffered for Christs sake. There is no fear in Persecution when we are kept "in the Shadow of Gods Quiver"

Persecution will come to places where it hasn't been before but its not something that we pray for rather we pray that God strengthens our brothers and sisters and that they find a deeper relationship with our father as that is such a treasure.

I have no doubt that this election has been one of the biggest spiritual fights I have seen in my life time, In Australia I have seen arguments between workers, families and strangers with a real passion from each side. I knew trump would win because of different stuff I studied but no one would listen to me.

Where to from here? Pray and fast for our leaders, prepare to share the gospel to the lost as all spirit filled Christians have done before us. The days of being wishy washy in our walk in Christ is over, the line has been drawn

Todd, I personally think a lot of folks that have been in need of the some of governments help are running scared. I know I have a few friends that when all is well in their world, they were more over on the republican way of thinking, now Trump was elected, they're concerned about loosing their benefits. I don't think anyone that truly is in need of any kind of government help, has anything to worry about if they're truthful about the situation they're in. Are we to depend on God for our provisions, or man? If someone had a job and a new president of the company was announced, and the employees flipped out like some of the people in the streets are now, you would be fired. No folks the sky is not falling, why don't you just trust in God and give the person he allowed to win, a little time, he hasn't even sat down at the desk yet, and some folks are in a panic mode.

If Trump and Pence were as, say, Billy Graham and David Wilkerson, it would not change one thing about the church in America as opposed to Trump and Pence being Clinton and Kaine or Assad or Ozzy Osbourne.

The nation is not made godly by its leaders. The church is made nothing by the nation's leaders. Nothing, in any direction.

What we have here is nothing new. Trump is not a change, spiritually speaking. In that respect, Obama is Trump. Don't hang your testimony on Pence's. Your momma can't save you, Pence can't change a hair from brown to gray even if he were the genuine sold out to Jesus sort of Christian he is getting credit for being merely over a few words.

The church is still asleep as it was. Electing Trump is not even a slight nod toward repentance. The sins of people here remain. The sins of the church remain. Any sense of relief is not only misplaced, but heaps judgment on us because we should know better. We don't, though. We are doing what we have always done. Trusting men.

It strikes me so oddly that so many who find the churches devoid of true biblical life and faith and have stepped away from the Sunday brick and mortar meetings applaud the election outcome as a real spiritually important event or turn. Discernment quickly fades. It is a head scratcher.

Let me say I am glad Clinton will not be president. I am glad because the vehicle for her was the media. Media is and will keep being the mouthpiece, eyes and ears of the spirit of antichrist as we move forward. So, any development that might possibly shake people to an awareness of it (yes, even and maybe especially Fox News, too) I take as a plus but only a small one.

/Let me say I am glad Clinton will not be president./

Then why are Christians who showed up in record numbers and voted to keep her out of office being denounced so strongly? To many this is a head scratcher also.

Among the Christians I go to church with there's not the slightest bit of belief in them that since they voted to keep Mrs. Clinton out of office that they are therefore trusting in man. They're also not spiritually asleep.

Saying I am glad Mrs. Clinton won't be president but denouncing those who voted to keep her out is a oxymoron - contradictory terms said in conjunction with one another.

I am not denouncing anyone for their vote. There are practical reasons why someone might prefer either one of them. I think I am in the same boat with many of you that Obamacare has gutted our health insurance while skyrocketing our premium. Hillary Clinton would have exacerbated it; Trump may not do a thing to improve it but he said he would. So, there's that.

It is a trust in man vs. God to believe that Trump is a gift to the church from God. There is zero evidence for it, and any trust in government for anything is idolatry. America, patriotism and "love" for the institutions we have is to love that which opposes Christ. The church is guilty. The church promotes them. The church hosts them (they serve as polling places in elections). David Jeremiah ran a radio ad spot telling Christians to vote or their "voice" would not be heard. That is in flat opposition to the New Testament. The voice of the church is the gospel--not Americanism. It is a mixture of leaven into the loaf. So, yes, the church trusts in man.

The church is spiritually asleep. It loves the world. It does not repent. It does not see its sin. It does not see how deceived it is. They are not asleep because they voted. They voted and trust in government as a repository of anything good because they are asleep.

I still go back to it being a matter of stewardship. God has placed me in a country where people can actually influence government by voting. The right to vote is something I must steward; i.e. I have to try to hear from God as to what to do with this right to vote.

I do not doubt that some folks truly hear that they should not vote, just as there are those that truly hear they should. Just like some people hear not to invest in 401ks and some hear that they should.

What should not happen is a person in group A telling a person in group B that they are wrong or foolish, particularly in matters of conscience and stewardship.

bearmaster said:
"Forum you have gotten Donald Trump. You will rejoice with his victory. Yes you have denied Hillary Clinton the presidency. But I am afraid you have lost your right to reign with Jesus in heaven."

Salvation is not dependent on who you vote for.
Brother it is so easy to get sidetracked into legalism. Please remember that Jesus loves every one here on the forum, regardless of who they voted for.

Hi Drifter,
Yes Im agreeing with here.How could that statement have any validity,
I think the views of alot of SI are based on trends rather than prophesy.
Yours Staff

Frank- bear has to be able to take some piling on when he makes statements like this: "Forum you have gotten Donald Trump. You will rejoice with his victory. Yes you have denied Hillary Clinton the presidency. But I am afraid you have lost your right to reign with Jesus in heaven."

Mr. Bear, can I ask you a personal question? are you getting any kind of help from the government, other than just SS if your old enough to draw SS? Of course you know you don't have to answer this question, but I'm just trying to figure out your reasoning, on why your so adamant in your support of a liar and a crook, something is just fishy here. If you don't want to answer the question, that's fine, but could you please tell us why you support her, so maybe we will better understand we're your coming from, please help us out a little here.

Mr. Bear, I don't think Trump walks on water, matter fact I did not vote period. In my opinion there were two candidates, Crooked and Crazy so not to have any regrets I did not vote. You chose not to answer my question but by not answering it, you really answered it. I have no dog in this fight, all I wanted to know is why Clinton was your choice, and all you told me was I think Trump walks on water, your avoiding a simple question for some odd reason.

You said "We are talking of a man who is foul mouth. We are talking of a man who is prideful. We are talking of a man who boast in his sins of numerous extramarital affairs. We are talking of a man who does not honor the marriage covenant. We are talking of a man who loves money more than anything else" You could say the exact same thing about Hillary, except it was her husband with the extra marital affairs and disgraced the White House, but I guess that don't matter.

I have never understood the reasoning of why a christian must vote for a christian. Generally, an informed voter votes for platforms, not a person.

And if anyone thinks Trump is the only president with a foul mouth in our history, you are pretty naive.

If I really needed a good surgeon, I'd likely go to a foul-mouthed excellent one rather than an average clean mouthed one.

My strongly held convictions align with Blaine's. He speaks for himself and does not need a defense. His heart is, IMO, in a good place on this. When I read his remarks, I hear a man in a deep and holy frustration with this world. I hear a man who, as a human and a redeemed man, groans with the rest of the creation in earnest expectation of the revelation of the sons of God.

There are times when he wants to stand in the square and cry out to men about God and to cry out to God for men, I think. I think so because I feel that way and, well, I suppose many who God deals with in this way are of a similar frame.

Before this election, it occurred to me that a Trump win would not be met with the same prostration of heart and self before God that the church here must have in order to be revived. Who knows what a Clinton presidency would have been responsible for --- and honestly I think the anger of leftists and millenials here now is similar to the spirit of the church here had she won. Of course, we don't know that for sure. I do not think -- and this is where I might have a differing perspective than our brother bearmaster -- a Clinton presidency would have been any better for the church in terms of spiritual awakening, awareness of sin, or a genuine turning to God. I happen to think a Clinton win would have been met with the same syrupy, superficial rhetorical "turn to God" as any other temporal crisis has produced. Even 9/11 saw a massive public acknowledgement of Him but in no way did we "turn to God". The most surface-only appearance of fruitfulness would have occurred with a Clinton win.

Here, with a Trump win, the American so-called evangelical church gets what it wants and still is found wanting. It is thin ice. But, it is God who justifies. By that I just mean that He is perfectly right to hand us what we ask for and then use it to let us dance freely into Korah's pit. At least by our own fall some may be brought to a genuine fear of God that brings repentance.

So, the vote is irrelevant. Vote or not vote. It is where the heart finds a repository of God's entrustment of Himself that is at issue. Christians in America love our government. It is romanticized. It is idealized. It has legend and fantasy surrounding it. It holds a mystical quality. It is more than a machine of men performing roles. It is a faith. It is a religion. It has a god -- power. That love of government, that mixture, is the sin of the church here in large part. The awareness of many other things about itself that comes with this particular awareness is where the hope of repentance begins. But, more than a small scale spotty and sparse awakening? I have to agree with Blaine that I just do not see it.

At the risk of being a troll.

This article is the kind of thought process that Blaine is bemoaning. Me, too. Criticize and judge and weigh my comments. Poke holes. Reject. It is all well and good. My feelings are not on my sleeve. But, there is a deep and wide sense in the church in America that something spiritually significant happened on election day and it is just bananas. To the extent of any belief in spiritual significance of the election outcome, it is the result of mixing faith in government with faith in Christ.

http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/prophetic-insight/28075-prophecy-after-wicked-kingdom-toppled-jezebel-curse-broken-off-america

Jeremiah 23:16-17 New King James Version (NKJV)

16 Thus says the Lord of hosts:
"Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you.
They make you worthless;
They speak a vision of their own heart,
Not from the mouth of the Lord.
17 They continually say to those who despise Me,
‘The Lord has said, "You shall have peace”’;
And to everyone who walks according to the dictates of his own heart, they say,
‘No evil shall come upon you.’”