I have been a christian for about 3 years(at least I hope I am) and in that time I have backslidden terribly. The Lord has warned me twice to turn from wickedness. He used Ezekiel 18:31-32 to warn me. I pray and read the Bible constantly but never get an answer from the Lord. I feel as if the Lord has cut me off permanently. I will still serve the Lord even if I am going to hell, but hope and pray for his grace. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Drifter,I have been a christian for about 3 years(at least I hope I am) and in that time I have backslidden terribly. The Lord has warned me twice to turn from wickedness. He used Ezekiel 18:31-32 to warn me. I pray and read the Bible constantly but never get an answer from the Lord. I feel as if the Lord has cut me off permanently. I will still serve the Lord even if I am going to hell, but hope and pray for his grace. Any input would be greatly appreciated.Can a person come to Christ unless the Father draw them? Does a sinner in of themselves desire to please God? If you serve God ere' many years you will not do it in the 'flesh'. The very fact that you are concerned about your soul is evidence that God has NOT abandoned you. TODAY if you will hear His voice- harden not your heart as in the provocation. God speaks to us through His word. Sometimes God may seem to be silent and it is in those times that we must walk by faith. In a previous thread there is a reference to Jim Cymbala's message on "Calling Upon the Name of the Lord." Have you not called upon His name? Have you outsinned the power of God's grace to forgive and the blood to purge your conscience? At what point is a person "cut-off" from God? Christ told us to forgive 70 X 7 in a day and we are mere men. We cannot fathom God's grace. Salvation is by grace through faith. What does the passage say but "turn and live." That's what God asks of us- turn to Him. Change your mind about your condition and turn. Agree with God about your condition. Saving faith is all of your trust in Christ and not in yourself. It's when a person realizes how wretched they are that they are most in position to exercise saving faith. Its not when you think you have finally "measured up" and now are worthy to be saved. You never were or will be worthy of God's grace. You are hemmed in! You know there is none to help but God. You are right where God wants you if that is so. Turn and trust in Him with all of your being. Trust Him to save you from your Sin and you WILL be changed. God Bless,-Robert
the very fact that you are concerned about this is a witness that your right with God. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom!I to have been thru this many times, you know what, its not God condeming you but the enemy! God convicts just as he did with the warning, He doesn't warn to turn away! No the enemy condems as he is condemed. Think about this, while you were walking in sin, were you concerned about God not receieving you? No of course not because the enemy had you where he wanted you.Walk in the Light and He is in the Light and you'll have fellowship with Him and His blood will wash you from ALL sin. Seek His face brother with all your heart, He LOVES YOU SO MUCH!!!!Now this is how you handle the enemy when he comes, LAUGH at him! When he reminds you of your past, you remind him of his future! LAUGH, LAUGH, LAUGH....he won't hang around for long!!!Bless you brother, just remember, don't forget the Lords Grace, walk hard after Jesus, the only reason the enemy is out to stop you is because your a threat.
I will still serve the Lord even if I am going to hell,Mmmmmmm.... when I read these words a thought jumped at me: The Lord doesn't want your service, he wants you." Many do indeed go to hell because they want to serve him but refuse to surrender to him - ie, give up the autonomy of their own lives. Your comments remind me a bit of John Bunyan's testimony. He struggled over the wretchedness of his condition for a very long time before God gave him victory. But - look what came of it. His book Pilgrim's Progress is a timeless classic. I sure can't know what is happening in your soul, only the Lord knows, and thankfully he can reveal it if you earnestly ask him. (trust me, I know from experience that that request can lead to some painful refining, but it's worth it.) Go for it! Keep on wrestling with God and don't turn your back on him, no matter how dark things may seem. I trust that in his time you will indeed ENTER HIS REST and sense perfect peace and joy in his salvation. Do you mind sharing about your salvation experience - what happened, what were your thoughts? What were you seeking after? etc... Maybe some "lights" will come on as you process your thoughts. Diane
Thank you all very much for your input. To share a little bit of my personal testimony, I said the "sinner's prayer" when I was about 13. I thought that was all there was to salvation and left it at that. At the time I did not know Christ from a doorknob. I went on sinning; smoking marijuana, living in debauchery, drinking, etc. It was not until I was about 17 I picked up a Bible someone had bought me and thought to myself, "maybe I should read this thing". So I read the Bible and the Lord gave me an appetite for His Word; I would read and pray for 8-10 hours a day(I was unemployed at the time). I believe the Lord revealed Himself to me; I believed that He had died and rose again from the dead, I started to hate sin and longed to be free of it, and started to seek His face continually. But for the last couple of months I have been backsliding and wondering if the Lord has cut me off of the vine, since I am producing nothing but bad fruit.
Hi, Drifter, It takes courage to be honest before others and share your struggles with sin. I confess that we Christians have a tendency to offer a lot of simplistic solutions to sinners, and I have no desire to do that again. (they never worked for me) I do not believe that our failures are necessarily a sign that God has "tossed us out". Nevertheless that doesn't mean that we should dismiss them. Unconquored sin is a symptom that something is still not okay between us and God. After all, Christ came to set us free from these bondages in order that we can fellowship with him. Christ did not merely offer a free ticket to heaven, or a better, less sinful life. He offered us a brand new life - his life in exchange for ours. The old corruptable self can never be fixed up. That's why it must die - be crucified, not just improved. We can't even do that for ourselves. All that we can do is fall down at the feet of the Lord, and cry out for mercy, like the Prodigal Son. We can only offer our ragged, wretched self to him to be his servant - with no conditions attatched. I am reminded of the rich young ruler in the Bible who came to Jesus asking what he needed to DO to be saved (have eternal life). He wanted to make sure he was doing all the right things, and could not see that really he just wanted to make sure his old self could pass the test. In fact, even though this man was a fine standing man of integrity, his heart was just as corrupt as the worst sinnner. He was very different than the prodigal son. He wanted to remain in charge of his own life. He wanted to place his trust in the things of this world, including his OWN EFFORTS. He wanted an assurance policy but he did NOT want to be a follower of Christ. He wanted to cling to his old corruptable self. I once heard a preacher say that we often we want to be free from troubling sins more than we want Christ. While these words sound cruel, I do think that the path to Christ is through the realization that we don't wnat Christ as much as we'd like to think. We are totally blind, naked, wretched and poor. It is against our nature to want Christ. Well, those words are not answers, but merely food for thought. I know that the Spirit will guide you into inner truth about yourself, and truth about the ways of God. The name "Drifter" reminds me of words in an old hymn, "Come thou Fount of every Blessing" "Prone to wander, Lord I know it" "Bind my wandering heart to thee....Here's my heart, O take and seal it;Seal if for thy courts above." May those words be the cry of your heart. Diane
Hi drifter,It was not until I was about 17 I picked up a Bible someone had bought me and thought to myself, "maybe I should read this thing". So I read the Bible and the Lord gave me an appetite for His Word; I would read and pray for 8-10 hours a day(I was unemployed at the time). I believe the Lord revealed Himself to me; I believed that He had died and rose again from the dead, I started to hate sin and longed to be free of it, and started to seek His face continually. But for the last couple of months I have been backsliding and wondering if the Lord has cut me off of the vine, since I am producing nothing but bad fruit.There are bacically three types of sinners:1) Careless2) Awakened3) ConvictedCareless sinners could care-less about their salvation. Awakened sinners are those that have gone through something or maybe something has happened by God's own hand to get the sinners attention and get them thinking about their soul. Finally there are convicted sinners. These are those whom the Holy Spirit has brought to the cross roads and said in effect, "choose you this day whom you will serve." He has taken on the role of Jesus Christ in the earth and is showing them "what thing they lackest." If they respond 'rightly' in saving faith- placing all their trust in Christ- they will be born-again of the Spirit. This is total submission to God. Many never make the leap from 'convicted sinner' to 'Child of God.' They go on in life with the Holy spirit constantly dealing with them and they refuse to submit to God that area that He is demanding. Sinners prayers are of no effect here. One must turn to Christ and let go of that thing which the Holy Ghost is saying to let go of. For the rich young ruler his money was the point of contact for his rebellion. He trusted in the riches. He did not realize that his money could not save him. He did not understand his need for Christ. He justified himself by giving all that he had done to keep the commandments. He was an awakened sinner when he came to Christ and Christ took him to a 'convicted state' with the "one thing thou lackest" statement.One may ask, why did He go away sorrowful? He wanted to have eternal life? yet, he obviously did not recognize the seriousness of his sin before God because he did not see his sin. Our Lord spent much of his time showing folk that they were sinners. When He was through with the Sermon on the Mount there had not been a soul under the sound of His voice that was not convicted. Take everything He said as a whole and all would be guilty of something. I don't want to get off on a rabbit trail here, but the primary purpose of Christ's teachings was to show the 'plumb line' of righteousness that man might measure themselves and see their need for Christ. The life that He preached was one in which men would walk who were filled with the Spirit of God. He taught what one who walked in the Spirit lived like. Trying to take the words of Christ and make them an addendum to the 613 laws of the Old Testament is to miss the whole point. So what is the Holy Spirit convicting you of? What is He telling you over and over to 'lay that thing down'? Only you know that. Only you know the controversy that God has with you. If you will submit yourself unto God you would resist the devil and he would flee from you. The key is submission to God. You cannot resist the Holy Ghost and have victory over sin. If you truly are born again and are stuggling as a Prodigal Son, that is another matter all together. For now- examine yourself whether you be in the faith and make your calling and election sure.God Bless,-Robert
I realize that a "sinner's prayer" is not necessarily what saves a person, but the attitude of ones heart must be repentant and submissive to Christ to recieve salvation(and ones motives must be pure). I am constantly examining myself to see whether I am in the faith, but it seems I never get an answer from the Lord, hence, I worry about having lost my salvation as a result of disobedience.
Hi drifter,When the Prodigal Son came home to the Father's House we have a great picture of the way in which God views our departure from the Pig Pen. In the story there is a great contrast:1) The attitude of God towards those who have come to themselves.2) The attitude of the 'brother' when the prodigal sibling came home.God was prepared for a celebration! Here we read:7 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard music and dancing.26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and entreated him.Notice how the Father ran to him when He seen him yet afar off. He had compassion on him and fell on him and kissed him. What a picture! One of the greatest evidences of us not being in the right Spirit when we minister is that we do not do as this Father did when we see a sinner coming to repentance. When was the last time you saw a person rejoice with joy and laughter and tears at the salvation of a sinner or the coming home of a backslider? Was it not Duncan Cambell who told of the story of the woman crying with her son saying "Oh Willy. Willy are you coming at last?!" That is the heart cry of one who sees the prodigal coming home. On the flip side of this is the 'brother' who never fell into such sin. Who never left the Father's house. What was his reaction? Better still, who do we emulate when a sinner comes to repentance? Do we rejoice with the Angels? Understand drifter that when you are sincere with God He will run to restore you to a right place. he will slay the fatted calf and place upon your finger the 'ring' (as it were). He will cloth you afresh with His righteousness. Oh that God's people would find it in their heart to love a sinner like God does. God Bless,-Robert
Hi drifter,When the Prodigal Son came home to the Father's House we have a great picture of the way in which God views our departure from the Pig Pen. In the story there is a great contrast:1) The attitude of God towards those who have come to themselves.2) The attitude of the 'brother' when the prodigal sibling came home.God was prepared for a celebration! Here we read:7 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard music and dancing.26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and entreated him.Notice how the Father ran to him when He seen him yet afar off. He had compassion on him and fell on him and kissed him. What a picture! One of the greatest evidences of us not being in the right Spirit when we minister is that we do not do as this Father did when we see a sinner coming to repentance. When was the last time you saw a person rejoice with joy and laughter and tears at the salvation of a sinner or the coming home of a backslider? Was it not Duncan Cambell who told of the story of the woman crying with her son saying "Oh Willy. Willy are you coming at last?!" That is the heart cry of one who sees the prodigal coming home. On the flip side of this is the 'brother' who never fell into such sin. Who never left the Father's house. What was his reaction? Better still, who do we emulate when a sinner comes to repentance? Do we rejoice with the Angels? Understand drifter that when you are sincere with God He will run to restore you to a right place. he will slay the fatted calf and place upon your finger the 'ring' (as it were). He will cloth you afresh with His righteousness. Oh that God's people would find it in their heart to love a sinner like God does. God Bless,-Robert
Instead of looking in constantly and self examining constantly why don't you just look up and let Jesus bring about a sense of conviction over sins when He sees it's nessary? That's how you enter into His rest.
This might be of help to you. A good sermon by a retired preacher about the fear of God spoken from Psalm 25. The Calmness of the Trusting Believer Part 1. The second part later on in June.joukohttp://www.saarnaindexi.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=123
Thanks jouko, and everyone else. Your advice and prayers are much needed and appreciated.
I am wondering: have you been obedient to what the Holy Spirit it telling you to do? Have you totally repented of your sin(s)? Do you still in your imagination chafe at repenting? If so, this may be the cause of your problem. God wants us 100% of repentence, not partial.Blessings,Ginnyrose
To the best of my ability I have repented, and made an earnest effort to turn away from sin and be sanctified by the Holy Spirit. I have been continually caught in the vicious cycle of sin, repent, sin, repent. Certain sins seem to hold me in their grasp, and I struggle daily to be free of them. Galatians 5:24 keeps coming to mind, though,"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
I keep drifting in and out of total despair, sometimes thinking that there is a chance God will have mercy on me, and then totally despondent, knowing that my eternal destiny is the lake of fire. I just want the Lord to use me in some way to glorify His name and do His will before I go there.(Somewhat like a drowning man trying to save other drowning men.) Even when I witness to people it has no power, mostly useless rhetoric. Some times the depression gets so bad I ponder suicide, but I know that is a useless notion, knowing it will prematurely send me to where I will eventually end up. And I don't know if losing my confidence is the same as renouncing my faith. As you can see I am in much confusion and double-mindedness. "Hope deffered maketh the heart sick."
For some people, they need to forget about repentance, santification, all that, and behold the lamb of God. It's that easy. And BTW always finish your scripture quotes" Hope defered makes the heart sick, but when hope cometh it is a well spring of life". There is a principle of becoming in the Word of God, we become what we behold. You know as a man thinketh in his heart so is he? So you need to set your thoughts on Jesus and Him only. Let Him sort all that other stuff out, you just set your attention on Jesus. I would suggest getting a red letter bible and just writting down everything in red. Also take time to just read the gospels, nothing else, just the gospels. Read them , don't study them , just read them.
I wish it was that easy, just to behold the glory of God. But I am completely shut out of His presence. As I said earlier, I read the Bible all day and pray whenever I can but all to no avail. He refuses to speak to me at all.
re-read my last post and do it. Rember this is still a faith walk and we don't always have the feelings or the goose-pimples or the inward witness. Talk to God as if He hears you. Live for Him as if you're His. And don't worry about senseing His presence, act as if it's there.
I wish it was that easy, just to behold the glory of God.Hi Drifter,It often amazes me to see how the Lord brings all of us to a point of desperation until it clearly dawns on us that the only reason why we are accepted in the Beloved is the finished work of Christ on the cross. There's no other ground on which we stand before the presence of the Master save the cross. It is never because we merit anything that God turns His ears to our cries and stretches His loving arms in response to our deep longings for His touch. It is simply because He loves us and cares for us. We misunderstand Him often because His ways are so far different from ours and until we learn to simply trust Him, regardless of our perception, life surely is a long, bumpy and difficult road to travel on. I am reminded of Job whose questions about sufferings were not directly answered but was sufficiently answered just the same when God visited Him. That He saw the Lord was enough for Him. That you despair for His touch is a sure sign that the Lord is at work in you. Didn't Jesus say, "No one comes to the Me, unless the Father draws him?" He seems to be stripping you of anything good that you think you can present to Him. Come as you are, there's such freedom in that. :-D You'd be all the more surprised to learn that showing His glory is what God wanted all along. For you. Praying with you.Rey
drifter.....is there unforgivness in your heart towards someone, maybe a family member? You must set this right if thats the case. Search your heart, ask the Holy Spirit to reveal anyhting that is keeping you out.God has not left you...thats would go against the scriptures, as whosoever should call on the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED! Not whosoever (except for).Search your heart mate, you'll have the break thru! Praying for you, I feel for you and KNOW that you will find peace!
Drifter, This might sound wrong, but maybe you should try it- stop reading the Bible all day and praying all the time. I think that doing that is great and especially helpful if you're seeking a breakthrough into greater things in God. But since you're dealing with the initial experience of grace, which I would say is essentially forgiveness of sins, I don't know if that's the best approach. You may have it in the back of your mind that you can earn God's grace and acceptance this way. But it is simply received by faith. I went through a time in my life when I thought I was the most zealous man after God that I knew of in my community. I prayed and read my Bible more than any of my friends as far as I knew. I was strictly devoted to my times with God, etc. I became very judgmental even though I had good intentions and I sincerely loved God. I would judge what I perceived to be weakness and immaturity in other and sometimes even judge them as being unsaved because of those things. This was mostly in my heart even if I didn't say it out loud. I confused rebellion (which I think can cut us off from fellowship with God) with weakness and immaturity. The measure that you judge you yourself will be judged with. Eventually I realized that I had sin struggles that I wasn't overcoming and what eventually happened was I gave up and backslid for about 6 months. I didn't know if I was saved. I hated myself. It was hell.In retrospect I think I might have been so radical in devotional things because I thought it made God more pleased with me and it kind of covered up for and made amends for my weaknesses. But this is not true. What it did was make me very self-righteous. I felt like I deserved God's blessing in my life and if you weren't seeking God as much as I thought you out to, then you didn't and you shouldn't be surprised and whine about it if you didn't have it. Eventually, God had mercy on me and changed my heart. I came to realize that I needed His grace just as much as everyone else. He revealed some things to me about how to love others. I got very humbled, as it seems you are getting. I learned that weakness and immaturity is not the same as rebellion. Believers can have weakness and immaturity in certain areas but still be in intimate fellowship with God. But our standard of judgment that we've had towards others may shut us out. And I think this is largely because our conscience and our hearts will condemn us. Don't give up. If you think any of this might apply to you, ask God to forgive you if you have been harsh in how you judge others in your heart and ask Him to help you. Maybe this would help.
Hi Todd,I think you make a really good point here and it would do us well to take heed. Sometimes in an attempt to really want to please God we go so far to an extreme that our examination of ourselves and others becomes so critical that we almost cause ourselves to stumble. Constant inspection and introspection and the like can wear a person thin. Think about all the sermons on SI that taken as a whole we would go away wondering if we were even saved if we took it all to heart. It would be so bad that it would come directly between our fellowship with God- smite our conscience until we were unable to walk with God. The enemy wants to ram-rod holiness down our throat until we literally choke to death spiritually. He wants us to "die to self' until we are spiritually dead. He wants us to stay focused on our shortcomings until we are paralyzed spiritually and become vulnerable to sin. Preoccupation with our condition when we are seeking to serve God in a genuine way is evidence of fanaticism and it is seriously dangerous. Its time to get up and get about the Master's business. Did you know you can drink water until it literally kills you? You can become so flooded and saturated with sermons and reproofs and rebukes that you are near to death from the trauma inflicted upon your spirit and you can self-induce yourself into becoming overcome by much sorrow. The enemy will use genuine ministers and good messages to pummel you into the ground until you don't know if you are coming or going. Crank up an mp3 and find out your not holy enough. Turn on the radio and find out your not a good enough parent. On and on and on until you don't know which way is up. I have seen people who sat at home and keyed in on every little pain or flutter until they became hyperchondriacs. They were in perfectly good health and almost drove themselves and their doctors crazy examining themselves all the time. Its a spirit of fear at work if you ask me. On a spiritual level I do not believe God drives people into spiritual hyperchondria. And if you allow those people who are spiritual hyperchondriacs to talk to you long enough- you to will walk around worried and confused all the time also. sometimes its good to get away from ALL of it and allow God to speak to you Himself as you go about your daily life. Get out and live and God will bring you back into balance. The enemy will bury us with a good thing and I think bro Todd has hit the nail right on the head.God Bless,-Robert
This article has helped me, I pray it helps you.FAITH.By Charles FinneyFrom the OBERLIN EVANGELIST 1839Public Domain Text Reformatted by Katie StewartText.--John 6:28,29: "Then said they unto him, what shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."The following is the train of thought I shall pursue: I. Notice several erroneous answers, commonly given to the question proposed in the text, viz: What shall we do that we may work the works of God? II. Show that Christ gave the only proper answer, under the circumstances in which the question was asked. III. Show that, under other circumstances, another answer might, with propriety, be given.I. I am to notice several erroneous answers commonly given to the question proposed in the text. 1. Should the question be proposed to a Jew, "What shall I do that I may work the works of God?" he would answer, keep the law, both moral and ceremonial, i.e. keep the commandments. 2. To the same inquiry, an Arminian would answer, improve common grace, and you will obtain converting grace, i.e. use the means of grace, according to the best light you have, and you will obtain the grace of salvation. In this answer, it is not supposed, that the inquirer already has faith, and is using the means of grace in faith; but that he is in a state of impenitency, and is inquiring after converting grace. The answer, therefore, amounts to this: you must get converting grace by your impenitent works; you must become holy by your hypocrisy; you must work out sanctification by sin. 3. To this question, most professed Calvinists would make, in substance, the same reply. They would reject the language, while they retained the idea. Their direction would imply, either that the inquirer already has faith, or that he must perform works to obtain it, i.e. to obtain grace by works.Neither an Arminian nor a Calvinist, would formally direct the inquirer to the law, as the ground of justification. But nearly the whole Church would give directions that would amount to the same thing. Their answer would be a legal, and not a gospel answer. For whatever answer is given to this question, that does not distinctly recognize faith, as the foundation of all virtue in sinners, is legal. Unless the inquirer is made to understand that this is the first grand fundamental duty, without the performance of which all virtue, all giving up of sin, all acceptable obedience, is impossible, he is misdirected. He is led to believe, that it is possible to please God without faith; and to obtain grace by works of law. There are but two kinds of works--works of law, and works of faith. Now if the inquirer has not the "faith that works by love," to set him upon any course of works to get it, is certainly to direct him to get faith by works of law. Whatever is said to him that does not clearly convey the truth, that both justification and sanctification are by faith, without works of law, is law, and not gospel. Nothing before, or without faith, can possibly be done by the unbeliever, but works of law. His first duty, therefore, is faith; and every attempt to obtain faith by unbelieving works, is to lay works at the foundation, and make grace a result. It is the direct opposite of gospel truth.Take facts as they arise in every day's history, to show that what I have stated is the experience of almost all, professors and non-professors. Whenever a sinner begins in good earnest to agitate the question, "What shall I do to be saved?" he resolves, as a first duty, to break off from his sins, i.e. in unbelief. Of course his reformation is only outward, he determines to do better--to reform in this, that, and the other thing, and thus prepare himself to be converted. He does not expect to be saved without grace and faith, but he attempts to get grace by works of law.The same is true of multitudes of anxious Christians, who are inquiring what they shall do to overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil. They overlook the fact that "this is the victory that overcometh the world, even your faith," that it is with "the shield of faith" that they are "to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked." They ask, why am I overcome by sin? Why can I not get above its power? Why am I thus the slave of my appetites and passions, and the sport of the devil? They cast about for the cause of all this spiritual wretchedness and death. At one time they think they have discovered it in the neglect of one duty; and at another time, in the neglect of another. Sometimes they imagine they have found the cause to lie in yielding to one sin, and sometimes in yielding to another. They put forth efforts in this direction, and in that direction, and patch up their righteousness on one side, while they make a rent in the other. Thus they spend years in running around in a circle, and making dams of sand across the current of their own corruptions. Instead of at once purifying their hearts by faith, they are engaged in trying to arrest the overflowing of its bitter waters. Why do I sin? they inquire; and casting about for the cause, they come to the sage conclusion, it is because I neglect such a duty, i.e. because I do sin. But how shall I get rid of sin? Answer: by doing my duty, i.e. by ceasing from sin. Now the real inquiry is, why do they neglect their duty? Why do they commit sin at all? Where is the foundation of all this mischief? Will it be replied, the foundation of all this wickedness is in the corruption of our nature--in the wickedness of the heart--in the strength of our evil propensities and habits? But all this only brings us back to the real inquiry, again: How are this corrupt nature, this wicked[ness], and these sinful habits to be overcome? I answer, by faith alone. No works of law have the least tendency to overcome our sins; but rather confirm the soul in self-righteousness and unbelief.The great and fundamental sin, which is at the foundation of all other sin, is unbelief. The first thing, is to give up that--to believe the word of God. There is no breaking off from one sin without this. "Whatever is not faith is sin," "Without faith, it is impossible to please God." Thus we see that the backslider and convicted Christian, when agonizing to overcome sin, will, almost always, betake themselves to works of law to obtain faith. They will fast, and pray, and read, and struggle, and outwardly reform, and thus endeavor to obtain grace. Now all this is in vain and wrong. Do you ask, shall we not fast, and pray, and read, and struggle? Shall we do nothing, but sit down in Antinomian security and inaction? I answer, you must do all that God commands you to do; but begin where He tells you to begin, and do it in the manner in which he commands you to do it, i.e. in the exercise of that faith that works by love. Purify your hearts by faith. Believe in the Son of God. And say not in your heart, "who shall ascend into heaven i.e. to bring Christ down from above; or who shall descend into the deep, i.e. to bring up Christ again from the dead. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart; that is, the word of faith which we preach."Now these facts show that even under the gospel almost all professors of religion, while they reject the Jewish notion of justification by works of the law, have, after all, adopted a ruinous substitute for it, and suppose that in some way they are to obtain grace by their works.II. I am to show, that Christ gave the only proper answer, under the circumstances in which the question was asked.In order to understand the propriety of the answer, we must understand the meaning of the question. The context shows that the question was asked by certain unbelieving Jews, who inquired what they could do, to work the works of God?--in other words, to obtain the favor of God? Christ understood them as inquiring what works would be acceptable without faith. He therefore answers: "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." As if He had said, nothing is a work of God which you would recognize as such. Faith is the first great work of God, without which it is impossible to please Him. To a Jew, this answer would imply, that he believed Him to be the Messiah foretold in the scriptures. And to all persons the answer implies not only a general confidence in the character of God, but a trust in his atonement and saving grace, in opposition to all works of law for justification.To show that this is the only proper answer to be given to a person in a state of unbelief, I will state,1. What I DO NOT mean by the proposition; and2. What I DO mean by it. 1. I do not mean that it is the only proper answer, because there is no good and acceptable work but faith. 2. Nor do I mean that faith without works is acceptable to God. 3. Nor do I mean that faith makes void the law, and sets aside the obligation and necessity of good works. The Apostle, in James 2:17-26, sets the necessity of works, as the result of faith, in a strong light. "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew you my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham, our father, justified by works, when he had offered Isaac, his son, upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the son[friend], of God. Ye see, how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise, also, was not Rahab, the harlot, justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." 4. Nor do I mean that there are no other directions that may be given to an inquiring sinner or Christian that, if followed, would not in the end amount to the same thing as the direction in the text. In number eighteen of my "Revival Lectures," I said, "You may give the sinner any direction, or tell him to do anything, that includes a right heart." To repent--to submit--to give the heart to God; and all the directions there specified imply faith. Were I to preach that sermon again, I should give a greater prominence to faith, and show that the exercise of faith is the first thing to be done; and that upon the exercise of this, repentance, submission, love and every other grace depend. 5. But, by the above proposition, I do mean, that no works are good works, or are in any sense acceptable to God, only as they proceed from faith. Let it be forever remembered, that "without faith, it is impossible to please God," and "whatsoever is not of faith, is sin." 6. It is the proper answer, because both justification and sanctification are by faith alone. Rom. 3:30: "Seeing it is one God who shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith;" and 5:1: "Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ." Also, 9:30, 31: "What shall we say then? that the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, who followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law." But perhaps you will not clearly see the truth of this, unless I make a remark or two upon the nature of faith. The first element of saving faith is a realizing sense of the truth of the Bible. But this is not alone saving faith, for Satan has this realizing sense of truth, which makes him tremble. But a second element in saving faith is the consent of the heart or will to the truth perceived by the intellect. It is a cordial trust or resting of the mind in those truths, and a yielding up of the whole being to their influence. Now it is easy to see, that without the consent of the will, there can be nothing but an outward obedience to God. A wife, without confidence in her husband, can do nothing more than perform outwardly her duty to him. It is a contradiction to say that without confidence, she can perform her duty from the heart. The same is true of parental and all other governments. Works of law may be performed without faith; i.e. we may serve from fear or hope, or some selfish consideration; but without the confidence that works by love, obedience from the heart is naturally impossible. Nay, the very terms, obedience from the heart without love, are a contradiction. 7. By the above, I mean that to seek the grace of faith by works of law, is an utter abomination. It is as abominable as to attempt to purchase the Holy Ghost with money. It is to set aside the testimony of God with respect to our utter depravity, and attempt to palm off our unbelieving, heartless works upon an infinitely holy God. It is an attempt to purchase his favor, instead of accepting grace as a sovereign gift. 8. It is as preposterous as it is wicked. It is seeking to please God by our sins--to purchase the grace of faith by making God a liar. 9. To give any other answer to one in unbelief, and to set him to perform any work, with the expectation that by it he shall obtain faith, is to confirm him in self-righteousness--to prolong his rebellion--to lead him either to settle down in a self-righteous hope, or to produce, in the end, discouragement and blasphemy. 10. Because that repentance, faith, love, and every other holy exercise, both imply and proceed from faith. Without confidence in the character and requirements of God, it is impossible to repent. For what is repentance but heartily to justify God, and condemn ourselves. So it is equally impossible to exercise a complacent love to God, without faith. Submission to God also implies and presupposes the exercise of confidence in God, and in His requirements. 11. This is a proper answer, because all right affection, and all good works will necessarily proceed from faith. Christ was not afraid of begetting an Antinomian spirit, by laying so much stress upon faith. He knew full well, that true faith as naturally and necessarily begets every other inward grace, and all outward good works, as a cause produces its effects. 12. It is the only proper answer, because faith is the only exercise that receives Christ with all His powerfully sanctifying influences into the heart. The Bible every where represents the sanctified soul, as being under the influence of an indwelling Christ. Now the exercise of faith is that opening of the door by which Christ is received to reign in the heart. Who will pretend that any works are properly good, or that any true faith exists in the mind, except as the result of the operation or influence of Christ in the mind. Now if this is so, the proper direction plainly is, to do that which receives Christ. If this is done, all else will be done. If this is neglected, all else will be neglected, of course.III. I am to show, that under other circumstances another answer might, with propriety, have been given. 1. The careless, unawakened sinner, who knows nothing of his depravity, or helplessness, it might be important and proper to direct to the law of God as the rule of his duty. Not with the expectation of directly promoting holiness thereby, but of convicting him of sin. Thus we find Christ requiring the young man who was wrapped up in self-righteousness, "to keep the commandments," and taking such a course as to bring out before his mind his supreme love of the world. This produced regret and discouragement in him; and when required to "part with all that he had," and follow Christ, he "went away sorrowful." 2. To the anxious sinner, who makes this inquiry, Christ, as I have shown, gave the only appropriate answer. Also, to the Christian, inquiring after sanctification, this is the only appropriate answer. In short, to anyone who is convinced of his real character, this is the proper, and the only proper answer. 3. But to one already full of faith and love, and of the Holy Spirit, another answer may be given; simply because, by the inquiry he means a different thing. When he asks, "what shall I do to work the works of God," his heart breaks forth with the inquiry, "what shall I do to honor and glorify God?" --not "what shall I do to be saved?" Let such an one be directed to the whole preceptive part of the Bible. Do this, and avoid that, is just the instruction which he needs, and upon which he will eagerly seize, to glorify God with all his heart. Such a mind needs instruction, not command and threatening. To him the preceptive part of the Bible is just what his circumstances and state of feeling demand. The commands of the Bible will not beget in him, a legal spirit, and thus prove a stumbling block to his soul. He will not set himself self-righteously to perform the duties enjoined; but his heart goes forth to meet his responsibilities, and perform the requirements of God.REMARKS.1. You see, from this subject, how to understand Rom. 9:20-32, which I have before quoted, "What shall we say, then," &c. The Jews sought by their own doings to please God, without faith; but all their righteousness was as filthy rags.--While the Gentiles, who had lived in open rebellion, when they heard the gospel, believed it at once, instead of betaking themselves to works of law; and thus exercising faith that works by love, they attained to the righteousness which is of God, by faith.2. You see why the church is not sanctified.--They overlook the office and necessity of faith, as that which alone can produce acceptable obedience to God. They are engaged in efforts to obtain faith by works, instead of first exercising that faith which will beget within them a clean heart. In this way they seek in vain for sanctification. How common is it to see persons full of bustle and outward efforts and works--fasting and praying, giving and doing, and struggling; and after all, they have not the fruits of the Spirit--love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, against which there is no law. They have not, after all, crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts. They do not live in the Spirit, and walk in the Spirit. They do not, in their own experience, realize the truth of that saying, "Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is staid[stayed] on thee: because he trusteth in thee." Without that trust they cannot have peace; cannot be sanctified.Others endeavor to force themselves to exercise the various Christian graces, of love, submission, &c., without faith, overlooking the fact that it is faith that works by love, and that repentance and submission imply faith, and are the results of faith. They are the surrendering of our wills to the will of God. But this certainly cannot be, without confidence in the character of God. In short, every Christian grace implies the exercise of faith as its foundation.3. You see why the Bible lays so much stress upon faith.4. You see what is the difficulty with those who are constantly in a complaining state, on the subject of religion. They seem to know they are wrong; but do not understand wherein the foundation of their wrong consists. They sometimes think that a neglect of this duty is the grand difficulty, and sometimes something else is that upon which their minds fasten, as the prime difficulty in the case. They set themselves to break off from one sin and another, and practice this self-denial, and that duty, and all without that faith that fills the heart with love. Thus they go round and round in a circle, and do not see that unbelief is their great, their damning sin; without the removal of which no other sin can be repented of or forgiven. All their efforts are entirely legal, hypocritical, and vain till they exercise faith.5. You see the mistake of Antinomian Perfectionists, in setting aside all preceptive religion, and understanding obedience to the commands of God as legality. They do not make the discrimination here made. If persons without faith, in an unsanctified state, set themselves to obey the commandments of God, their efforts must necessarily be legal, self-righteous and ruinous. To them the precepts of the Gospel, as well as the commandments of the law, are a horrible pit of miry clay. You cast a man into a horrible pit of miry clay, and the more he struggles, the deeper he sinks. Now to a man without faith, the precepts of the law and gospel are fitly compared to miry clay. Every effort at obedience without faith is sin; and as it confirms self-righteousness, is sinking him farther and farther from God, and rational hope. And the more vehemently he struggles, the more desperate and alarming his case becomes. The clay surrounds him, and cleaves to him, suffocates and kills him. Just so the commands of God to an unbelieving heart, are a snare and a pit. They are miry and suffocating clay. Without faith, there is ruin and damnation in them.6. You see how to the Jews, and to all unbelievers, the commandments of God are a stumbling block. All outward conformity to them is useless, yea, ruinous. Love without faith is impossible. And consequently, the merciful direction and instructions contained in the preceptive parts of the Gospel, are made the food of self-righteousness, and the snare of death. But to those whose souls are full of faith and love, the commandments of God are just the instruction which they need, when, in their ignorance, they earnestly inquire, what they shall do to glorify God. Do this, and avoid that, and the like, are just the things upon which hearts of love will seize, as the needed directions of their heavenly Father.7. But someone may inquire, do not men learn to exercise faith, by what you call legal efforts, and in obedience to legal directions? No. They only learn by experience, that all such directions are vain, and that they are totally depraved and dependent, which they ought to have believed before. They set themselves to pray, and read, and struggle, expecting at every meeting they attend, every prayer they make, to obtain grace and faith. But they never do until they are completely discouraged, and despair of obtaining help in this way. And the history of every self-righteous sinner's conversion, and every anxious Christian's sanctification would develop this truth--that deliverance cometh not until their self-righteous efforts were proved, by their own experience, to be utterly vain, and abandoned as useless, and the whole subject thrown upon the sovereign mercy of God. This submitting a subject to the sovereign mercy of God is that very act of faith, which they should have put forth long before, but which they would not exercise until every other means had been tried in vain.8. But perhaps you will say, if by this self-righteous struggle they learn their depravity and dependence, and in this manner come to prove, by their own experience, the truth of God, why not encourage them to make these efforts, as, at least, an indirect way of obtaining faith? Answer: Blasphemy and drunkenness, and any of the most shocking sins, may be, and often have been the means of working conviction, which has resulted in conversion. Why not encourage these things, as such is sometimes their indirect effect? The truth is, when a sinner's attention is awakened, and he is convicted, and puts forth the inquiry, "what shall I do?" and when a Christian, struggling with his remaining corruption, puts forth the same inquiry, why should they be thrown into the horrible pit of which I have spoken? Why not tell them at once, in the language of the text, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent"?9. Let me say to you who would make the inquiry in the text, don't wait to fast, read, pray or any thing else; don't expect to break off from any sin in your unbelief. You may break off from the outward commission--you may substitute praying for swearing, reading your Bible for reading novels, outward industry and honesty for theft and idleness, sobriety for drunkenness, and any thing you please; and it is, after all, only exchanging one form of sin for another. It is only varying the mode of your warfare. But remember that in unbelief, whatever your conduct is, you are in high-handed rebellion against God. Faith would instantly sanctify your heart, sanctify all your doings, and render them, in Christ Jesus, acceptable to God. Unbelief is your great, your crying, your damning sin--against which the heaviest thunderbolts of Jehovah are hurled.10. Don't wait for any particular view of Christ before you believe. When persons in the state of mind of which I have been speaking hear those who live in faith describe their views of Christ, they say, "O, if I had such views, I could believe; I must have these before I can believe." Now you should understand that these views are the result and effect of faith. These views of which you speak are that which faith discovers in those passages of Scripture which describe Christ. Faith apprehends the meaning of those passages, and sees in them these very things which you expect to see, before you exercise faith, and which you imagine would produce it. Take hold, then, on the simple promise of God. Take God at his word. Believe that he means just what he says. And this will at once bring you into the state of mind after which you inquire.11. Let what has been said be an answer to that sister in New York, who inquired, by letter, what she should do to obtain the blessing of sanctification. My dear child, you inquire whether you shall obtain by reading the Bible, or by prayer, fasting, or by all these together. Now let this sermon answer you, and know that by neither, nor by all these, in the absence of faith, are you to grow any better, or find any relief. You speak of being in darkness, and of being discouraged. No wonder you are so, since you have plainly been seeking sanctification by works of law. You have "stumbled at this stumbling stone." You are in the horrible pit and miry clay of which I have just spoken. Immediately exercise faith upon the Son of God. It is the first--the only thing you can do to rest your feet upon the rock, and it will immediately put a new song into your mouth.
Drifter, I was thinking about what I wrote to you earlier today and I want to briefly clarify what I mean by rebellion as opposed to weakness and immaturity. I understand rebellion as a matter of the heart, as willing disobedience, defiance against God. There is a "no" in the heart towards God, if you will. Weakness and immaturity is different. A changed heart wants to obey God. Weak and immature believers may disobey God but it violates their hearts desire. Although they may sin, there is a "Yes!" in their heart towards God. "Yes, God, I want to obey you, but I fell short again." And, if we confess our sins He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9) Peter is a great example for understanding rebellion versus weakness and immaturity. His heart had such a big "Yes" towards Jesus. He declared, "Even if all may fall away because of You, I will never fall away... even if I have to die, I will not deny You" (Matt. 26:33,35). But he did- 3 times. Whether it's 3 or 3,000 the principle is the same. It's about the heart. Though Peter sinned in such horrible ways, it wasn't what he wanted to do. He truly loved Jesus but he didn't know his own weakness. But Jesus knew his heart, and He knows yours too. Let Him restore you, brother.
Thank you all very much for your comments and prayer. Freecd, I am very grateful to you for the article by Finney. I realize now that I have been much like king Uzziah, who, after 50 years of being king of Judah, went into the temple and tried to offer incense to God, and was immediately smitten by leprosy(a picture of people offering to God self-righteous works). The Lord is showing me, by that article and by speaking to my heart, that sanctifcation is only by faith, and faith does not come by works. I realize that I have departed much from my first love for Christ by not trusting Him to sanctify me, and by commiting the worst sin, unbelief. Please continue to pray for me.The Lord bless you.
Yes, I totally agree, Todd. I shall endeavor to let Him restore me, and to not doubt His lovingkindness and mercy. Please continue to pray for me.
