So I picked up this T.D. Jakes book from the library on audio CD. I was thinking while listening to it in my car if there was something in the book that God would was looking to teach me. About 2 minutes after that my driver side power window broke and shorted out the CD player. So I couldn't even get the CD out to listen to it at work. I wonder what that meant. :lol:
chuckles... :-) This is an interesting illustration of 'guidance' in that it will be interpreted entirely along the lines of our preconceptions of T D Jake!
Uh... 'No comment' :-)Hard not to resist the imagination running a bit... Had this brief thought about a certain TV affiliate and television sets...Sorry to hear about your CD player though, perhaps another attempt with say something of this sort...Keith Daniel: Two Messages might produce better results. ;-)
I wonder what that meant>>>>>>>worn parts?
...but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable... ;-) In Christ,Ron
Don't want to start any fuss here but TD Jakes is a "oneness pentcostal" - he doesn't believe in the trinity. I don't have the links handy but can get back with them.That's aside from the fact that he is also your typical prosperity teacher. plant a seed of faith, God wants you rich etc.I can't help but be reminded of a quote from KP Yohannan when I see all of Jakes' self-help books:"If all you're learning his how to live better, be a better husband, wife,mother,father,etc. that's not right, Christianity is about dying not living"In Him,geddingsm
Yes, I listened to some of another CD from the set today and it was probably some of the most unedifying stuff I've ever listened to.
My first reaction was that your window broke! So what? we all have things that break all the time.....if nothing else it teaches us that life here is temporal...including things!!! And I wish mine would last as long as I do. Too wishful, don't you think? (g)I am not all that helpful, am I? Ginnyrose
The only reason I mentioned the window is that it shorted out the CD player. I fixed it the same day.
What it meant was, you wasn't supposed to listen to him.We are all learning, but we need to grow in our Lord Jesus Christ, and these prosperity Preachers are deceiving multitudes.Pray for decernment.God BlessNellie :-)
Luke 8:11 11 ". . . The seed is the word of God." How many cucumbers will you get from your garden if you never plant any cucumber seed? How much wheat will you harvest if you do not plant any wheat seed? Jesus made it clear God's Word is a seed, so can you expect it to produce in your life without ever being planted there? If prosperity is not preached to you, or you do not study and meditate on it yourself, it is not being planted. So do not be surprised when there is no harvest of abundance in your life. Without Bible preaching you cannot expect people to have any faith on a subject. That is the situation now with "God's will is prosperity." Instead of prosperity, the opposite lie has usually been preached: to please God and be spiritual you must be poor. No wonder so many Christians do not believe the will of God is their prosperity. They have not had the prosperity seed planted. The few that had it planted are being tempted to pull it up, because of so much negative preaching on the subject. The more we proclaim it, the more the Body of Christ will believe it. The more we believe it, the more we will receive God's blessings. The more we prosper, the more we can help people, and the more God will be pleased.
I disagree that TD Jakes is a prosperity preacher. Whenever I hear him preach, he preaches the Word of God, and he cuts to the heart in dealing with many of the issues that are afflicting dysfunctional families today that the church seems to overlook or not address. I don't think that his "faith filled" messages are to be equated with "prosperity" preaching. I believe TD Jakes will go down in history as one of America's greatest preachers ever. This man has an incredible ability to "break the bread"...and without any notes in front of him. He has an amazing preaching gift that is reaching multitudes today. Prove all things and hold fast that which is good.
The little I know about Mr. Jakes is not enough to have an opinion about how he preaches. If he is preaching the gospel of wantonness and covetness of the things of this world that I've heard other prosperity preachers preach then his works will be burndt up as chaff. In the mean time it bothers me that others are made murchandise by prosperity preachers that expect us to build their little kingdom here instead of putting our treasures in heaven. I've found these people to be liars though I realize many of them don't know they are deceiving and being deceived.In Christ,GaryE
Without Bible preaching you cannot expect people to have any faith on a subject. That is the situation now with "God's will is prosperity." Instead of prosperity, the opposite lie has usually been preached: to please God and be spiritual you must be poor.If this is the case, then why weren't Paul & the other apostles driving around the Roman Empire in "Lexus" brand chariots instead of walking in worn out sandals? Wasn't their faith strong enough? Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.I liken these "prosperity" preachers to cannibals. They devour people's hopes & finances while they get fat & rich. They make God out to be a genie who is forced to fill our commands whenever we rub the bottle. They twist God's Word to fill their own greedy desires and in the process lead thousands astray and broken hearted.Have you ever noticed that these "pastors" always want you to place your "seed" with their ministry? It's almost as if they are the only ones who God has authorized to take His tithes & offerings. I have yet to hear one mention that we should support our local ministries.Jesus never promised that we would be materially rich. On the other hand He did say that our every need would be met. Now, do I need a new car, or do I want one? ;-) Our problem is that we have gotten our needs & wants mixed up. We need repentance & righteousness, but we want money & material things.
You should be moved by your OWN convictions, not those of others. So, if you disagree with a particular preacher's message or style, it does not mean that they are in "error"; however, its just not for YOU!
Touch not God's anointed, and do His prophets NO harm. Put your mouth on the Word of God and not mortal men.
God bless YOUR walk! It may be weak--check YOURSELF. :-D
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who CORRECTLY handles the word of truth. 2 Tim. 2:15.
"Touch not God's anointed, and do His prophets NO harm. Put your mouth on the Word of God and not mortal men." Aardyss
This presumes that all those who preach the Word of God are His anointed. But the Bible says otherwise or else Jesus would not have warned us of 'wolves in sheeps clothing' in the last days. It seems disingenuous to tell others to be moved by their own convictions and not to look at mortal man but the Word...... then imply that the person of topic, in this case Jakes, is God's annointed. I'm sure the same could have been said of Ted Haggard, Jim Bakker, or Paul Cain as 'anointed ones' at one point in time... and many were told to 'check themselves' before speaking against them. Just because someone preaches out of God's word doesn't mean they're anointed of God, the Bible says this clearly. Therefore the mouth of God's own word, in and of itself, is on mortal man whether it be speaking of their fruits or their deception and falseness. God's word speaks of mortal man, deals with mortal man, and warns mortal man about mortal men. If we haven't learned that lesson by now then Lord help us. I'm not for heresy hunters or fanatical nit picking but I am opposed to those who imply that we only need to keep our nose in the Bible and keep discernment to ourselves.
I've listened to Jakes... and he's definitely not for me.
Jakes has been called a Trinity denying, pro homosexual Yoga promoter and of course a
money loving TV preacher.
No wonder he has such a large following.
Duct tape fixes everything! :-D
Ardyss wrote:
Touch not God's anointed, and do His prophets NO harm. Put your mouth on the Word of God and not mortal men.
First, one would need to be anointed, and a prophet, for this phrase to be accurate. 8-)
At bible study last night an older man was defending the fact that billy graham believes in the prayer to ask jesus into your heart and that almost all big churches out their do so to so our they wrong to do so, and me and the bible study leader said yes because the bible does not teach a formula for salvation but it teaches as you know a belief in the heart towards jesus an all you know the rest of what scripture teaches. We really should care what no man preaches no matter how big and popular they our if it blatantly what they teach is not scriptural and what the scripture completely speaks against. It would be considered idolatry then because we our lifting that man above God and his word. We do not know who is annointed unless they preach Gods word truly not for gain or to get respect of people but to please God and to honor him. Most people hate the one who preaches Gods word truly they way it is suppose to be preached.
But, there are some very unmovable statements in scripture such asso our they wrong to do so, and me and the bible study leader said yes because the bible does not teach a formula for salvation
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.
Romans 11:16 For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.
Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord [which] thou lettest down? 2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn? 3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft [words] unto thee? 4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? 5 Wilt thou play with him as [with] a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens? 6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants? 7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears? 8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more. 9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not [one] be cast down even at the sight of him? 10 None [is so] fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me? 11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay [him? whatsoever is] under the whole heaven is mine. 12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion. 13 Who can discover the face of his garment? [or] who can come [to him] with his double bridle? 14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth [are] terrible round about. 15 [His] scales [are his] pride, shut up together [as with] a close seal. 16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them. 17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. 18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes [are] like the eyelids of the morning. 19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, [and] sparks of fire leap out. 20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as [out] of a seething pot or caldron. 21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. 22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him. 23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved. 24 [b]His heart is as firm as a stone[b]he[b]a king over all the children of pride
Matthew 11:28 [u]Come unto me, all[u]that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest
You see exactly what the scripture says you believe in your heart but that is not asking jesus into your heart, you believe with your heart and he comes. Not ask him to come in, it says to believe on him. The unsaved person to be saved must believe on the lord jesus to be saved, that was what the older man at bible study and me were disputing is that he thought the prayer was right to do and i told him that i think you take someone through scripture or by hearing or reading of the gospel and the holy spirit shows them that this is the truth and they believe, that is what i guess you call regeneration. Instead of leaving them with a prayer to read , they read scripture and they follow what the scripture says to believe, repent, forsake all for christ. Have people who said the sinners prayer get saved yes but it was not the prayer but the fact that they believed on the lord jesus and turned from their sins once for all.
that romans 10:8 it is a great verse but i think it affirms what i was saying that you believe with the heart on christ. I understand that with the prayer your confessing christ that you believe, but i don't think it should be the way they do it, but they obey exactly what romans says to do and not their own human way of being saved.
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