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Ask any Christian, "Why is the Cross of Christ considered offensive?” and they will likely tell you something like Billy Graham said, "…the cross speaks to you about your sins””your sins of immorality. There is no sin in the Bible that the Bible condemns more than the sin of immorality.”

I think the offense of the Cross is about something else. I believe my behavior is of secondary concern to God. The Cross tells me that my previous man (the old man) had to die not just because of evil I had done but because of something even worse, but which always dies when someone dies.

Yes, what Adam did in the Garden was wrong, but what he believed was worse. Beginning with Adam, God’s plan was to teach His children what He knows. Every good parent wants to do the same for their children.

Man is a creature who lives what he knows and believes. When Adam chose to believe that a lie was the truth, the rest of his knowledge and believing became instantly distorted, too. Because he was the first man, his belief in just one lie caused the catastrophic corruption of all subsequent human learning as well as the corruption of all of creation. There is only one way to destroy all of a person’s wrong knowledge. They must die because everything they know will die with them.

Thus, all mankind would have to die in order to cleanse it of its body of wrong knowledge (error). But, God loved His human creatures and was not about to destroy mankind. He needed for us to die so that we, His beloved creatures, would no longer be under the dominion of wrong knowledge and beliefs. But, how could He do that? God could not disavow a sworn covenant oath by destroying all of mankind, yet all were sinners, all had suffered the same corruption, all had to die.

The only answer was for God to become one with His human creatures and take them to death. By becoming one with us yet never participating in our rebellion, God could raise Christ from dead. Since He had "oned” Himself with us, when He rose, we did too. God’s purpose was achieved. Now all He had to do was teach us what He had done for us and to us. He had made us brand new creatures. Everything is new and it is all "out of” God (2 Cor. 5:18).

Now God is working to teach His children who we are in Christ. But, the incessant, multi-frequency lies of Satan have convinced many that God must mean something else and we are not who He says we are, at least not yet. And, when someone suggests that God killed our old man with what he knew and that we are really now brand new creatures, many become offended.

Yes, I believe the Gospel can be offensive to believers… when it threatens dearly held wrong beliefs. No one deliberately believes something they know is not true. But, we can convince ourselves that a lie is truth when we want what it offers more than we want the truth. We can also be convinced a lie is truth when we keep listening to things that are not true.

Does this offend you?

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Elibeth

Dear Bro.
'The offense of the cross ?
Is it offensive ?

When Jesus walked the earth, dead, to His on will / way,...to declare God,His Father's Name, which is the whole Word of God,....teaching / preaching The Word ( Life ) that His Father gave Him to say,
We know it was intended by God ,His Father for Him to die,....but they
hated Him and killed Jesus because of The Word that He spoke.

..many, many, were offended by His cross that He bore when He began God' ministry and life through Him .

He was persecuted and as we know died bringing forth the cross,which He died daily, that The Life of God,was made a reality, ..real,...( manifested ) in
His life.

The true Word and Word Lived, ( manifested ) in us also brings an offense.
From the time or soon after we begin to Live under the Anointing of The Lord, that same Word,lived out through the leading of God' Spirit, in us, ...
The cross of Christ,.... we too will experience forms of persecution.
It will automatically come.
Isn't that what Jesus told us would happen to us ?

Is this what you are saying ?

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Elizabeth,

I appreciate you trying to think through what I was trying to say. It’s a massive subject that can take us many directions. I was heading a different direction than you perceived.

The subjects of what happened on the Cross and Jesus’ statement about dying daily are greatly misunderstood by many in the Church. By my post, I was hoping to begin a discussion that would eventually lead some readers to a greater understanding of how God intends for the Cross to affect our daily lives. People are so confused about the issue.

It seemed, to me, like the subject of the offense of the Cross was as good a place as any to start the discussion. I was hoping it would lead to helping participants understanding some of the early Church teachings that made it easy for believers to understanding the Gospels and epistles. Though the New Testament is full of references to them, these teaching were changed and/or lost by the fourth or fifth centuries.

To early believers, the Cross meant the death of everything they knew and believed. The goal of Church leaders was to train believers to know and think like their Father, God. Early believers rejoiced at the original meaning of repentance because it meant experiencing "Christ in you.” They were thrilled to give up what they had previously believed was truth. Their death on the Cross with Christ meant the lies they had believed no longer had dominion over them. They became intent on learning the truth because Jesus had told them "when you know the truth, it will make you free.” How could that be? Because people were created to live what they know and believe.

Unfortunately, the concept of replacing our old knowledge with God’s knowledge means something different today than it did back then. But, have you ever wondered how Stephen was able to fall asleep while being stoned to death, Paul was able to shake off a deadly viper, Peter could fall asleep while awaiting execution, or "if they drink any deadly thing it will not hurt them”? It wasn’t miracles or magic. Those early believers knew things about which modern believers have no knowledge. Understanding the New Testament requires a foundation, which was lost long ago.

Once people become grounded in the early church’s foundational teachings, they explode with understanding of the New Testament. It finally begins to make crystal clear sense. But to get to this point, we must first be willing to admit that what we believe is not working the way the Bible portrays it does. This is very hard to swallow. In fact, it requires death, the death to beliefs we have treasured as true, but which aren’t. Not only is the idea that their beliefs are wrong offensive to people, if we can even consider it, it can be terrifying.

This is where I was hoping to lead the thread, unless someone else did it first.

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TMK

James-

Why not just tell us what you are getting at? If it's a huge topic as you say, give it in small doses.

You lost me a little on the "how could Stephen falll asleep while being stoned comment" because falling asleep just means he died.

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Elibeth

James,
I too,do not understand,...please continue,while I listen.
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StirItUp

I think if we follow James's thoughts, as well as Tuc's, from the post " what should we do about sin" we will understand. The teaching of Paul in Romans 6,7,8

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Todd, I’d love to share more. My initial reply was only to Elizabeth because I had concluded that no one else was interested in this thread. I actually felt like I wrote far more than she probably wanted to read. Because most people do not have a background like mine, it is easy for them to get lost in my words and never have a clue what I mean. I was trying to avoid that.

Where did you learn that Steven falling asleep only meant that he died? Are you sure? The Greek word means literally "to fall asleep.” This made me curious. How could he fall asleep while suffering the torture of being stoned? When God showed me, I was amazed. What joy, what peace. Steven knew something that God would like to teach us. But, when people believe their cup is full, why would they ask for any more coffee? I wanted to know what Steven knew. I am sure that whatever God was willing to teach Steven He is willing to teach anyone who asks.

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Elibeth

James,
You asked, 'How could Steven fall asleep while suffering the
torcher of being stoned ?

Steven was full of The Holy Spirit of God,..
I believe he loved God with a perfect love.
The Scripture says, ' Perfect love casts out fear'
He completely trust God.

And God saved Strven to the utter- most... He brought
Steven all the way through and out the other side,still IN
Him.

He died confident IN God.


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Heydave

James, I think you are making too much of the word 'Asleep' here. It is just a metaphor for dying. Here are some scriptures using the same word 'sleep'(koimáō, Strongs G2837 in the Greek) for dying...

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept (koimáō) arose... Matt 28:13

These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth;(koimáō),but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep (koimáō),....John 11:11

For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, (koimáō)...Acts 13:36

For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. (koimáō)..1 Cor 11:30

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, (koimáō) that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1 Th.4:13

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, (koimáō) all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation... 2 Peter 3:4

And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep (koimáō).. Acts 7:60

And there are more, but I think this shows us that the use the term sleep (koimáō) in the bible commonly means to 'be dead'. The context makes it clear.

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Heydave

James wrote: "I think the offense of the Cross is about something else. I believe my behavior is of secondary concern to God."

Is this true? Compare it with scripture....

Jesus said:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven."
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK iniquity."
Matt 7:21-22

James said:
"Even so faith, if it hath not WORKS, is dead, being alone."
"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my WORKS."
James 2:17-18

Paul said:
"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."
"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to OBEY, his servants ye are to whom ye OBEY; whether of SIN unto death, or of OBEDIENCE unto righteousness?"
Romans 6:15-16

I think what we can see that you cannot separate behaviour from genuine faith. They go together and I think it is wrong to say it is of secondary concern to God. I'm not saying we get right with God by our works, but our works and behaviour are the evidence of our faith (See Hebrews 11, James and 1 John).

James, what you are saying appears to be bordering on Gnosticism. I hope I am misunderstanding you and this is not so, please clarify for me.

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Elizabeth, I could say it differently than you but I couldn't say it better.

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Elibeth

Thank you James,for your kind response.
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Dave, one of your comments struck on a most important subject.

Your statement that what I say "appears to be bordering on Gnosticism” tells me that you don’t really know what Gnosticism is about. I’m sorry that you do not understand what I wrote, but the fact that you would suggest heresy before further inquiry is bothersome. I really appreciated Frank’s suggestion of small doses. I think small bites at a time are better for the digestion and can help keep any discussion more focused.

When I was introduced to Jesus in the early 70s, I frequently heard Christians say, "Jesus is the answer.” Everyone seemed so excited, but I kept wondering, "To what question is He the answer?” I needed to know how Jesus was the answer to things going on in my life. I eventually realized that their proclamation was an intuitive concept. Besides the fact that He is God and the Savior of the world and would keep people from going to hell, no one seemed to think anything else was important. He was simply the answer to everything those people believed was important.

Those people actually believed they knew everything that needed to be known. If anyone challenged what they taught, that person became a subject of suspicion. Their attitude was that it was the job of Christ’s disciples to read our Bibles, pray every day, attend church regularly, and witness. That was it.

When they discovered that I, who was beginning to take a leadership role, was seeking to better understand my relationship with the Triune God, I was threatened with expulsion. In fact, when I told them I believed there had to be more to being a Christian, they flat out said I was bordering on heresy. Years later I discovered that I was not the one bordering on heresy. I do not believe you are in the same category, but your suggestion was uncalled for.

I have a simple question for you, Dave. How much of God’s life has He given His children?

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Heydave

James, thanks for coming back on this . I did say that I may not be understanding you and I was careful not to call you a Gnostic, but what you wrote seemed to have similarities to that way of thinking. As I understand Gnoticism, it majors on 'knowledge' and dismisses the material world including behaviour as unimportant. In it's extreme it allows sinful behaviour as unimportant and not even sinful, because 'spiritual knowldge'is all that is real. I'm not suggesting you are saying that, but the way you expessed things appear to be touching on that influence.

You did not say anything about the scriptures I showed about 'sleep' being a metaphor for death. Can you accept that this is the correct interpretation or have I misunderstood your point again?

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Everyone, please read again my comments about Steven falling asleep. I did not say that his falling asleep meant he didn’t die. The point was that he fell asleep while being stoned to death. The Greek language has specific words for death and dying, but Luke chose to use a word that means "fall asleep.” In Ancient Greek, that word only meant death in a metaphorical sense. So, why did Luke use it? Because, before Steven died he fell asleep.

How could that be? Don’t be too quick to count this as just the result of a miracle of being filled with the Holy Spirit. Read the accounts. This type of peace and presence of mind was common among early Christians. What enabled them to have such a connection with the Spirit of Christ that in the midst of torture their attention could be so captured by Jesus? Because, they knew, for sure, things most believers no longer believe. I know God still does miracles, but this was just normal life to believers back then. And, God never changes.

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TMK

James I hate to dwell on the Steven issue because it is collateral to your point, but your interpretation stretches that passage to the breaking point.

If Stephen fell asleep while being stoned, it was because a grapefruit sized rock smashed into his head- i.e. he was knocked unconscious. Sorry to be so crass but stoning was exceedingly violent. To suggest that he laid down for a nap while rocks were raining down onto his body is quite frankly ridiculous.

Dave gave ample examples of the euphemism of "falling asleep" meaning "dying." If you can't agree with even this point how can the discussion continue?

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Todd, this is a point where you and I obviously differ. I hope others see it differently than you and, like me, believe that God is not loose with His words. I believe God chose to write the New Testament in Greek for a very specific reason and, that the fact that the Greek language was used, was part of the "fullness of times.”

The reason the Gospel is powerful is because it is God’s words, which are inherently powerful and need no help from mankind. You said I am taking God’s words to the "breaking point.” That is another place where we differ. I don’t believe God’s words have a breaking point. Every Word of God is filled with all of God Himself. God wants us to take His words as far as we are willing to believe them, there’s no limit. (This is not a license for the flesh.) In fact, Paul says that very thing. Unfortunately, apparently, no commercial translator believes that because I can’t find one that translates that passage correctly, thus, unless you understand Greek and are willing to not follow the crowd, you would never know it. There is no point where any word of God becomes a lie.

After years of hearing something that isn’t true, any of us will believe it.

It is unfortunate that so many believe we have to protect God by dumbing down what He says. I’m not one of them. He is the God that created the concept of covenant and His words can be trusted beyond the extreme.

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Heydave

James did you actually read my post on 'sleep'?? I showed very clearly that all those scriptures use exactly the same Greek word for sleep as used in Acts about Stephen and clearly those scripture are talking about dying, not sleeping. Yes the word can also mean actual sleep, but it is clearly used to mean death.
The evidence of scripture disagrees with your theory, so I will go with that evidence as being correct.

As Todd said, if you cannot even accept the scriptural evidence on this side point, what is the point of even discussing further points with you.

I find it a bit ironic that your post is laying out some suppose 'knowledge' that most don't know except a few like you and you challenge, "does this offend you", yet when I question your reasoning you are the one who gets offended!

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TMK

Quote: "
The reason the Gospel is powerful is because it is God’s words, which are inherently powerful and need no help from mankind. You said I am taking God’s words to the "breaking point.” That is another place where we differ. I don’t believe God’s words have a breaking point. Every Word of God is filled with all of God Himself. God wants us to take His words as far as we are willing to believe them, there’s no limit."

Scripture can be taken to the breaking point by men- absolutely it can. Hitler and slaveowners used scripture to justify some of their actions. Obviously those are extreme examples. Some folks try to argue that when Jesus walked on water he was really walking on frozen water or rocks just under the surface. That is taking scripture to the breaking point. In my opinion the RC church takes scripture to the breaking point in their doctrine of transubstantiation among other doctrines they hold.

As a general comment, your posts sound very "esoteric" to me and whenever I read esoteric posts red flags immediately appear. Maybe that's just me. So a lot of push back you receive from me, and it sounds like Dave may have that same concern, is based on that alone.

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proudpapa

I appreciate those whom search the Scriptures for themselves.

I look forward to reading more from James.

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ChadC

"The true Word and Word Lived, ( manifested ) in us also brings an offense.
From the time or soon after we begin to Live under the Anointing of The Lord, that same Word,lived out through the leading of God' Spirit, in us, ...
The cross of Christ,.... we too will experience forms of persecution. It will automatically come."

Well said Elizabeth,

I believe the crux and apex of the offense is to the degree that it is not of this world.

I use to think, as the OP mentioned, that the cross itself and the opened door via repentance it orchestrated was the "offense", and to some degree it of course is, as anything of God is at enmity with the world. However the "I have been crucified with Christ" life is along the lines of daily dying to our own self and carnal nature in favor of allowing the Lord and His life to be manifested in and through us.

The offense was the daily cup Jesus drank following the Father's will culminating in His purposed and faithful cross... not an end, but one of many beginnings!

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RogerB

The early church had something we didn't have when we began our journey. They had fear of God and discipline. The early church was stronger than today. They saw the cross for what it was. Paul wanted to know more about it and the resurrection. New things. Having seen and touched the one who came was awesome indeed. To give one's life up for that was such a wonderful thing. Stephen didn't cry for them to stop stoning, he kept revealing to the crowd what he saw.

Is it true that Jesus walked among the early candlesticks but now stands and knocks at the door trying to get back in? Have we become rich with our theology and doctrines. I've had to ask myself those questions. I must die daily. I must seek what they sought every day. I must ask Christ to replace all the evil thoughts and ways that are still in me to be replaced with fruits of the spirit. (There was an excellent reply on this a week ago). Christ wants our allegiance just as he did of the apostles. It's his work.

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I am not out to argue with anyone or prove them wrong. I’m fighting with the 2000 years of evil doctrine and theology that have trapped today’s believers in powerlessness as they long for God in the midst of their pain and bondage to sin.

Galatians 5 is a good example. Paul was concerned about believers getting tangled back up in the law because of teachers who had a different view of the Gospel. In verse 1 he says that if a person doesn’t continue to insist that God’s truth is true and thus chooses to believe something else, the end result will be a yoke of some type of slavery.

In verse 2, he focuses on the lie being taught that the men must be circumcised in accordance with Jewish law in order to be saved. This contained two lies. 1) They needed Christ plus just a little performance on the men’s part. 2) Women were less than men. But, Jesus had elevated women. The Judaizers were seeking to put them back where they had been. Paul said if this is the route you want to go, then Christ won’t benefit you.

In verse 3 he tells them that if they choose to follow even one law in order to please God then they have to follow all of them. Why? Because if they are not going to depend solely on their believing Christ as the security of their salvation then they have to save themselves.

In verse 4 he continues by telling them whoever chooses to live by rules (law) "has become barren, because they have moved away from Christ.” He then says they have fallen "out of the grace.”

As he says in verse 7, they knew the truth. They had been living in victory. "Who has cut into the truth so that you are no longer persuaded of it?” The word "cut into” is consistent with what the Gnostics and other heretics sought to accomplish. They sought to turn the oneness of God’s revelation of Himself into different pieces. The Triune God was no longer a whole unchangeable being but a monster with many faces, and you could never be sure which face was looking at you.

In verses 16 through 26 he wraps it all up by reminding them of the source of evil behavior, which in verse 19 he calls works, because those works make life a continual struggle. He then compares such evil behavior with the fruit of the Spirit. It is no struggle to make a vine produce fruit. All you do is properly feed, water, and remove the weeds and it will produce wonderful fruit, with no additional effort. The weeds are primarily wrong beliefs because of wrong teaching.

Paul, like John, was combating terrible doctrine which, if the people chose to believe, would make them powerless, "so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.” It wasn’t the flesh or what they were doing that was causing them to sin. They were sinning because they were believing teaching that was contrary to what they had been taught in the beginning.

By the Fourth Century, the Church Fathers were seeking a way to codify sound doctrine by creating what came to be called the Nicene Creed. Unfortunatley, the Nicene Creed was the final gasps of a Church that was being overwhelmed by heresies seeking to remove all of its power and what made believers look different from the world.

In less than 200 years after that the world had entered the dark ages where the knowledge of God no longer was visible. When the world began to emerge from that darkness in the 1500s, believers no longer had the foundation laid by Jesus and the Apostles. They had the Greek texts. Everything they needed was there, but they had no foundation upon which to discern what God was saying. So, their understanding of what they read was filtered through each person’s own personal theology, which had just emerged from the dark ages.

I don’t believe people were seeking to believe lies. They were looking for answers to perplexing and disturbing realities in their lives and society. But, they didn’t have the foundation needed to properly understand the scriptures they were studying. Their interpretations of scripture were honest, but wrong.

This was not the design of man but the design of Satan. With very little help from any original documents, they were studying scriptures from the perspective that God was not really Who He claimed to be. If anyone would have suggested God is love, their proof otherwise was the 1000+ years of hell through which the world had just come and the misery they were still living. Their perspective is understandable. Newly emerging believers had little, if any, knowledge that would support that God is love or that He didn’t have a mean streak and was out to get anyone who crossed Him. But, they had plenty to confirm that the split in the nature of God promoted by Gnosticism was the truth. That split is what has enabled religious leaders to gain such control over the masses as well as making Christianity one more source of money power.

Whereas in the beginning believers knew where the concept of a dual nature God had come from, they now didn’t even know that the doctrine was heresy. Their own lives were proof of the duality and there was little to no evidence available to take them back to what the early Church had really believed. Too many, who by then were in "control” of the Church, had too much to lose by considering the real Gospel, if they even knew one existed. Until this day, there have been few to stand up and say, "The emperor has no clothes.” Now only God can restore what was lost, and He is.


Regarding Todd’s comments about the breaking point of God’s Word, don’t confuse human reasoning with God’s reasoning. Reasoning that uses God’s Word to say He meant something other than what He said absolutely does break down. But God is truth, and when what He says doesn’t make sense to us, He invites us to come boldly to His throne where He will joyfully tell us what He means. He doesn’t want us to change what He says to fit what we believe is possible. We don’t have to be afraid of taking God literally. What we need is for our eyes to be open to see what He is really saying.

Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I’m offended, because I’m not. Todd, you are the one that said if I can’t agree with you then this conversation can’t continue. "If you can't agree with even this point how can the discussion continue?"

Dave, you’re straining at gnats while swallowing flies. I thought the fact they died was too obvious to address it in my responses, but I give in. The Greek word translated sleep does, metaphorically mean death... OF COURSE those people who fell asleep died. That wasn’t the point. Does the fact that they died preclude falling asleep first? Of course not. Many First Century believers understood their union with God in Christ. They had no fear. Their fellowship with God was like Jesus being sound asleep in a raging storm that had the disciples apparently screaming in terror. There’s no contradiction. Yes, they died. But, don’t ignore the fact that it was common for believers’ everyday lives to be what today would either cause church members to stand in awe, or throw them out. Please don’t reinterpret the scriptures to say only what you believe is possible. Rather, let’s look at God’s Word and say, "Father, I believe you meant what you said. Now cause me to learn everything you can teach me from it.” Much of the world of theology experts hates what I am saying (and others like me) because they only want a God they can define as they see fit. You may not have thought of this but, if those believers who died really fell asleep first, then massive amounts of theology break down. It’s time it happened.

Let’s keep going in the things that will let believers discover the victory they long for. I’ve had enough of religion. What say you?

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TMK

I'm game, James, but I am still not sure what you are driving at.

You seem to be suggesting that you have discovered the "secret" of how the very earliest Christians lived that was lost during the dark ages and no one else has discovered. Please tell us what this secret is. I am definitely interested; I agree 100% that much of what passes as Christianity today is failing miserably at changing Christians into being more Christ-like, much less at changing the world.

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StirItUp

I agree with Todd, James.

Please stop being mysterious and come out with this revelation of yours so we can benefit from it.....if we are ready to receive it.

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Someone suggested little bites. Here's the first.

In so much of our lives, we use formulas to get results. Exercise and eat well and you will be healthy. Work as hard as you can and you will be successful, etc. As we all have experienced, formulas don’t always work.

How about the formulas you learned to be a good Christian? You know the ones like read your Bible and pray every day, go to church every time the doors are open, witness, give enough money and/or time, etc. How have these worked for you? Sometimes, for some people, these formulas seem to work. But, you can never be sure. And if they don’t, most Christians will tell you that you didn’t do it right, you didn’t have enough faith, God’s punishing you, etc.

Decades ago God did give me a formula. It wasn’t so I could get the outcome I wanted. It was a formula to help me understand how He had created humans to work. As I began to understand how my heart and mind work, it became obvious why my Christian life was such a struggle and why I couldn’t be the person I thought Jesus wanted me to be. No formula worked for me.

God showed me that the source of every behavior is what we think. Everything we do and feel and tell ourselves is a result of what we are thinking, and everything we are thinking is always a result of what we believe. Not just about God but about everything. Bottom line, we live what we believe so, we always act on the lies and truths within our belief systems as though they are all true, and never know the difference. It’s easy to see this in other people, but not in ourselves.

God showed me this formula was about me. I couldn’t see myself like He did. I had thought everything I believed was right and that everyone else was wrong if we disagreed. But, as I applied the formula to my life and began to see that my wrong attitudes and behaviors were clearly a result of what I believed, I discovered God was right and I was wrong. The source of every one of my bad attitudes and behaviors was always a lie. And, when I changed my mind and believed the truth God showed me, the attitudes and behaviors changed.

This formula enabled me to understand myself. God told me it applies to everyone but it isn’t my job to look for lies in others, because the Holy Spirit is working in each of us. It’s my job to be honest with Him and admit I am wrong when He shows me. This is the First Century meaning of metanoia, later translated repentance. It means to change your mind about what you believe that isn’t true.

We all know that lies are everywhere and that everyone believes some of them, right? So I ask you, can you tell yourself three things that you believe that you know are lies? Of course not, or you wouldn’t believe them.

This goes to the heart of what God is seeking to do in our lives. He wants us to believe His truth. Is our life the truth or is God’s truth the truth?

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BranchinVINE

Interesting, James ...... I'm all ears .......

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I think ending this thread with Jade's comment is appropriate. I will now start a thread called Small Doses (1) Why do people sin?

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