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Any Biblical Explanation for the Mystery Of Crop Circles

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luka

I am from Nigeria. we dont have large farms here. My attention was drawn recently to the existence of crop circles which occurs every year in farms across the western countries.
To be honest, i will say I am for lack of a better word alarmed by this knowledge. I know the bible has the answers for every phenomenon under heaven - but this this is raising questions in my heart. is it aliens demons or angels doing these things? and what is the purpos for it? According to the word of God?

Please Help me brethren

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TMK

Hey luka-

Guys are doing them at night with a rope tied to a board. You can see how they do it on YouTube. Some designs can be very elaborate.

I am curious why you think this has anything to do with the Bible or that the Bible would give an explanation?

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dolfan

It has been such a big joke here that they made a fiction movie about alien space creatures. Fun movie. But, crop circles are just people playing jokes.

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ginnyrose

I am a sister, OK?

My dad owned 510 acres, all cropland except for the acreage where farm buildings were situated, including his house.

Dad has found crop circles on his land. He is not the only one in our area who has had them appear on their cropland. It has always remained a mystery of how they got there. Some have suggested lightning but as far as I know this question has never been answered to anyone's satisfaction. I could ask my brother for more info but I do not think he could share any more info that could give us a clue about its source. I am not aware that scripture gives us any clue, either.

EDIT: the farmers that had crop circles were godly people and it is no joke. They are not lying.

Sandra

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sermonindex

It seems to me that the crop circles and even the cattle mutilations are demonic.

Again simply my thoughts.

Bro Blaine

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TMK

Sandra-

I am not suggesting that farmers themselves are the pranksters but rather persons who sneak onto their land.

I certainly am not going to jump to the idea that they are demonic or extraterrestrial or anything else when there are perfectly logical and proven explanations.

Cattle mutilations are different. They are definitely done by aliens.

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drifter

"Cattle mutilations are different. They are definitely done by aliens."

lol

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drifter

There is nothing in the Bible about extraterrestrial life. If there were human-like beings somewhere else in the universe, they would be either sinless or damned forever, because Jesus became a human being, he died for Adam's race. He never went to another planet to die for alien's sins.

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sermonindex

I don't have all the answers but just like to share a few thoughts.

We can't just go on youtube and find the correct answer.
There is a lot of stuff on the internet.
I'm a "country boy" and also know a bit about crops!

Illustration: When there is a house fire the fire investigator can't just go on the internet to find a "perfectly logical and proven explanations."

Quote:"There is nothing in the Bible about extraterrestrial life"
I'm not suggesting that. But let's quickly look at Exodus 7v11 "Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers, and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same with their secret arts. 12For each one threw down his staff and they turned into serpents."
Those magicians of old could turn a staff into a serpent!

I don't have the "correct" biblical answer but imo some demonic forces could be involved and probably are.

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dolfan

Please end this thread.

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luka

To think that this has been happening for centuries, the complex nature of the circle, and the time it takes for them to appear, (according to reports, sometimes minutes) and the debate online as no one seems to have any satisfactory answers. I feel that if this is a hoax or some kind of prank, it has got to be the most expensive and longest running one and the world still has not satisfactory explanations.
I'm Just curious to know if the Bible has any explanations.

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luka

Why would you want the thread to end sir? Truely, this is a honest inquiry. If i dont ask my Christian brethren when I have questions (no matter how stupid or uncomfortable it sounds), the world will surely give me answers and we all know most of what they offer would be misleading. I have no bad intention for asking. remain Blessed

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TMK

We could ask: "why would demons make cool designs in crop fields that can only be seen from the air? Why would angels do so?"

If we were going to jump to conclusions based on the fact that they must be viewed from the air, aliens would be the logical conclusion to jump to, not demons. But why would aliens (if it's them) who have technology to travel light years across outer space get to earth and decide to play in the crops when no one is looking?

Why don't farmers in areas where these crop circles form put up surveillance cameras?

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savannah


It could be aliens that are responsible for them...

illegal ones!

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sermonindex

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/_/Why would you want the thread to end sir? Truely, this is a honest inquiry. If i dont ask my Christian brethren when I have questions (no matter how stupid or uncomfortable it sounds), the world will surely give me answers and we all know most of what they offer would be misleading. I have no bad intention for asking. remain Blessed///

Dear brother respectfully it seems to me you have more important concerns in Nigeria. More important concerns than seeking answers to crop circles.

Emmanuel what about your brothers and sisters who are dying at the hands of the Boko Haram? Are you aware there is a persecuted church in Nigeria? Are you praying for your brothers and sisters who are laying down their lives for the Lord in Northeastern Nigeria?

Don't get sidetracked on these issues such as crop circles or cattle mutilations. You have brothers and sisters who need your prayers. You have brothers and sisters in Nigeria who are shedding their blood for Jesus. Pray for them. Pray that they will stand firm and be faithful to Him.

Pray that Islamic jihadist in Boko Haram can be reached with the gospel for Jesus. Be active in sharing your faith. Pray that the gospel go forth in your nation. This is of far more importance to Jesus than speculatiing on crop circles.

Simply my thoughts and wisdom.

Bro Blaine

Re-edited for gramnatical clarity.

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luka

For our information sir, i was born and still live in Jos, Plateau state central Nigeria. we in jos have been facing islamic persecutions here long before maiduguri caught fire. Christians all over the Nigeria including Maiduguri were praying for us here. I have lost friends, Countless church members killed even around and within church premises. we have seen so many bomb blasts, even my church was bombed. I know what it means to always go to church and be thoroughly searched before entering, I know what it means to be surrounded by soldiers as we worship.my area which is always the melting point of islamic attacks(Nassarawa In jos north) we have seen so many battles that sounds of guns are referred to as ringtones. death bodies lying on the streets after each attack are nothing common here (ask anyone who know plateau state nigeria. even christians in the country are afraid of coming to Jos. even last 2 nights we handled the report of an eminent attack to our area.

that CNN does dosnt report most of these things does not mean only maiduguri is troubled.
There is a popular saying here in Jos that If you have been able to survive the attacks of jos, You can survive any conflict in the world
I Can go on and on. you can google these things but internet information is scanty

everything I have said Is true

so how can we not pray enough when we are the ones experiencing these things.

you are somewhere there in a comfortable country, we are the ones here on ground. I feel hurt but not angry that you would just sit there and judge

My point is you are rather naive about these things. life does not end when persecution comes. even within the fire we still make jokes and laugh, we marry and go about many social activities and business. my younger brother attended his friend's wedding at maiduguri.

how much more now that that the Lord has given relative peace.
I say respectfully sir, if Crop circle is happening on earth, ill say its my business.

if not for anything, if it ever happens here, someone would have some answers.

thank you

ps.
here is the link of the video first bomb blast (twin) in northern nigeria. it happened at Angwan Rukuba, a christian area just a few meters from my house. this was before the world knew there is a place called Maiduguri
I personally shot the video
https://youtu.be/RXHKCseck4I

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ginnyrose

I do not believe it is a hoax and as far as it being caused by space aliens, no. My opinion is this concept of space aliens is the product of an over active imagination.

What I am going to say will likely have people question my faith, doubt everything else I say but will risk it.

For many years there have been sightings in the dark sky for which there exists no scientific exploitation. People have speculated about the cause, origins of these strange lights and objects where the lights radiated from.

Many years ago we had a minister of the Gospel, a retired professor from a conservative college, share at our church. He shared how he investigated these unknown objects what were seen in his area. He bought a geiger counter and visited these sites where these objects were seen. As he moved this geiger counter across these areas the needle went wild, indicating the presence of radiation in the soil. He was convinced that something had landed there that had come from outer space. What was it? He offered no explanation other then these objects exist. He did not know nor did he speculate.

My opinion is that there are unexplained things out there for which we have no explanation. I also am aware that UFOs have a following that is cultic. How much of their reports are pure fantasy, false news and how many are true I have no clue but suspect it involves a mixture of all three.

What are they? All I know is that they exist, godly people have seen crop circles on their farm land (were not found until they went to cultivate their crops or harvest them), a godly man has done some scientific investigation that generates more questions with the answers elusive. Since there is a lot of things around me that I do not understand, I will not discredit its existence but am willing to leave it alone - got other things of more importance to pursue.

My understanding..

Sandra

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drifter

I have seen many things I can't explain. While I don't believe in extraterrestrial life, I do believe when people see ufos and such it can be demonic spirits manifesting.

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dolfan

luka

I owe you an apology. I only want it to end because we in America largely know that crop circles are practical jokes. I asked and the thread out of concern for you actually. Your question was sincere and truly seeking information and thoughts. You have about seven or so posts on this forum. So you are new to posting here. I knew this thread would probably go into a debate over the source of crop circles. There is no evidence anywhere the crop circles are other than purely human intentional creations. I didn't want you to personally be derailed by discussions about aliens and demons and other things that probably venture off into superstition more so then scripture.

I know that brothers and sisters here have a different opinion on it. I had no idea that was the case until this thread started. With respect to you good folks who honestly think crop circles are somehow otherworldly or supernaturally created, we will just have to disagree. But by all means hold onto that thought and that believe if you are genuine in it. I'm not here to debate it. I just was trying to protect our brother in Nigeria

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sermonindex

///you are somewhere there in a comfortable country, we are the ones here on ground. I feel hurt but not angry that you would just sit there and judge

My point is you are rather naive about these things. life does not end when persecution comes. even within the fire we still make jokes and laugh, we marry and go about many social activities and business. my younger brother attended his friend's wedding at maiduguri.///

Brother my apologies as my post was not meant to offend or to judge you. I was simply pointing out that there are more important things that concern us. Namely taking up our cross daily and following Jesus.

As to my being naive about the persecuted church. You might want to check out the thread I maintain in the devotional section of this forum. The thread is entitled, In the Shadow of His Cross...Our Persecuted Brothers and Sisters. That thread is there voice in this forum. That thread tells the stories of our persecuted brothers and sisters in restricted nations.

Bro Blaine

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havok20x

Following Jesus is indeed first and foremost in our lives; however, it is not fair to pretend like nothing else exists because of that. We still are people and we still have to live lives in a world where we find ourselves knowing very little about the how's and why's, and we still get to ask silly questions (silly to others, not to ourselves).

The brother is asking for a biblical explanation.

Biblically, things done in the dark are not of the Lord. Everything about crop circles is shadowy and hidden. It definitely isn't good, because, practically speaking, whoever is doing it is intentionally destroying crops of hard-working men and women. Prank, demons, whatever, it is dark and shadowy and meant only to produce irritation at the least, and wide-spread confusion at worst. Remember these verses:

James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

1 John 1:5 - This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

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savannah


Luka,

Thanks for your reply.

If the conditions you describe in the place you live, were the same in America, the stats of how many christians dwell in this country would drastically change. But it would only tell the truth which is now hidden.

Timothy furnishes us all with an apt description of America and those who dwell in the land;

2For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, profane. They will be disobedient to parents, thankless, irreligious, 3destitute of natural affection, unforgiving, slanderers. They will have no self-control, but will be brutal, opposed to goodness, 4treacherous, headstrong, self-important. They will love pleasure instead of loving God, 5and will keep up a make-believe of piety and yet live in defiance of its power.


Thanks again, and it is good to have you here on SI.

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luka

thanks brother for your kind words and good intentions. whatever those things are, I am only glad that it does not shake my faith in Christ, whatever they are and whoever is behind it.

comments of brethren here has helped me to see that whatever crop circles are, the Lord is still on his throne far above all principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name being named, not only in this world, but also in the coming age.
and all things are under His feet

Thanks again

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luka

Thanks and Great words of wisdom there brother.

quoting you,
"Biblically, things done in the dark are not of the Lord. Everything about crop circles is shadowy and hidden. It definitely isn't good, because, practically speaking, whoever is doing it is intentionally destroying crops of hard-working men and women. Prank, demons, whatever, it is dark and shadowy and meant only to produce irritation at the least, and wide-spread confusion at worst."

If those doing these things have any message to tell the world they should indeed use popular mediums like tv, internet etc just like everyone else, why destroy someone else property?
that gives them away as evil.
lots of light in your words indeed.
God Bless you.

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luka

Thanks alot. These things are true. Even though security people are around, there are many areas we as christians dare not enter. you will never come out.there are many silent killings. people disappearing and the constant threat of bomb blasts and gunmen.
the Lord will Help your country overcome too

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luka

I am sorry for being hard with my words. I honestly apologise.

you all have truly helped me see that whatever crop circles are, Jesus is in control and will continue to be Lord over all forever.

we may not have every answer, but I realize now that I will be judged based on the light The Lord has shown me especially in His word.
you are truely right that what matters in the end is whether we are taking up our cross daily and following Jesus.

and I take your loving advise to be focused on the faith and not allow trifles take my productive time to the detriment of purposes of the Kingdom
thank you brother

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TMK

Luka you might want to check out the Wikipedia article on crop circles. It's very informative.

Bottom line, the only proven cause of crop circles is people- either pranksters or people hired by companies to do them for publicity. Many of these "out of way" places in Britain for example have developed an industry of crop circle tourism. That alone should raise eyebrows.

There is not one shred of scientific evidence to support any other theory, including weather anomalies, ball lightning, aliens, demons, angels, fairies, time travelers, etc etc etc.

I agree that these things are interesting and one of my favorite movies ("Signs") addresses this topic, but in reality there is no reason to suspect anything other than human beings, who can be exceedingly clever if they put their mind to it.

And, in support of my brother bearnaster(Blaine) he is the leading voice for the persecuted church on this forum. He would never criticize your plight in Nigeria and helps all of us to be more aware of what is happening.

Blessings to you!

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sermonindex

I humbly apologize. Your question was posed in all sincerity about crop circles. In all honesty I cannot explain the crop circles. But then I cannot explain cattle mutilations or Bigfoot/Sasquatch or UFO's. Not joking about these things. They do exist in our country. I just cannot explain them.

My dear brother I know that if I try to delve into these thing I find myself going into darkness. Almost going into the realm of the enemy. And taking my eyes off Jesus.

I do believe as the return of Jesus draws closer there will be more bizarre things which cannot be explained. But in the end we keep our eyes on Jesus and we know that he does not need to be explained.

Dear brother glad you're with us on the forum. Look forward to more posts from you. And you are right even in the midst of persecution there is joy.

Bro Blaine

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sermonindex

dear bro blaine..that was an amazing response for crop cir le etc..
thank you for that Godly wisdom..i needed to hear that.
Carolyn

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sermonindex

im not sure im one of those Americans that think crop circles are a joke..whatever they are or come from..which is most likely not natural. i agree with bro blaine..not spending too much delving into the unknown
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sermonindex

dr. walter martin who is deceased was a well known pastor and liked..that specialized in cults and did many teachings..he also has a wonderful well researched sermon on Ufos etc..you can listen to it on youtube ..it was extremely interesting.

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luka

Thanks Bro Blaine. Thanks Everybody for the insight and kind words. Sermon index has been a tremendous help to me. Blessings

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