implanting microchips in employees

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sermonindex Jul 23, 2017

"A US vending business is entering a new era of ‘convenience’ by implanting microchips in employees that will allow them access to basic workplace amenities.
At least 50 staff at Wisconsin firm Three Square Market have volunteered to have a microchip, similar to one in a contactless credit card, inserted into their hand, according to the company."

complete article below in the link:
https://www.rt.com/viral/397255-microchip-employees-rfid-contactless/

Saints,

What you think about this? if you are in a company, and your employer mandatorily wants all employees to be microchip, how will your response to it?

When I had my works before, we only used biometric ID for identification and access of doors within the premises of the company and I think that microchip of hand is insane...

I do not know what is the "mark of the beast" in book of Revelation but do you think that our technological advancement has something to do with it?

Our technology helps so much to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ in different parts of the world, like for example sermonindex, and at the same time, technology also seems like fulfilling the prophecy written in the Bible...

"But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase." (Daniel 12:4)

As for me, the only chip I am taking is chocolate cookie chips but ï»¿I want to hear your thoughts about this, brothers and sisters...

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TMK Jul 23, 2017

What the mark actually is is hugely debatable and has been discussed ad nauseum on the forum.

However, assuming the mark is literal and something yet future, it would have to be coupled with an actual denial of the Lord. In other words you could not be tricked into getting the mark. You would know that to receive the mark is to deny Christ and denying Christ would be conditional on a person's receiving the mark.

The chip the article is talking about has nothing to do with this.

All that being said, I personally do not believe the mark discussed in Rev. 13 is literal or future.

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sermonindex Jul 23, 2017

I am very new to sermonindex forum so I have not follow about this topic yet...

Thank you for response, brother :)

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TMK Jul 23, 2017

Sorry- I didn't mean to suggest you knew about all the prior discussion- i just wanted to avoid getting into that debate again.

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sermonindex Jul 23, 2017

Brother Todd,

It came in my thought also that this kind of similar thread has been here long time ago. I just want to know the thoughts of my fellow christian about a mandatory microchip implant in workplace. I've also observed in some thread here that there is a spirit of tearing each other apart just to be on top of the discussion or to prove someone's opinion is right or valuable. But I am not trying to make a debate out of my post, and I believe that debate is a waste of energy because until Jesus Christ come back again, Christians will have different views about different things....

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TMK Jul 23, 2017

I did not mean to imply you were starting a debate. I know you had no such intention.

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savannah Jul 23, 2017

Personally, I'd deny a chip implant by an employer. Not because I believe such has any prophetic implications. It'd have more to do with personal privacy.

Thanks for asking

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proudpapa Jul 25, 2017

In the summer of 1973 David Wilkerson had his vision and he wrote down what he saw:
on p. 22 of the vision Wilkerson wrote:

'I believe a revived Roman Empire will eventually become the power base for a super world leader who will arise to restore economic order. He will no doubt institute a worldwide "walking credit card" system. Invisible numbers will be implanted on the forehead and forearm, and only photoscope scanners will be able to detect the numbers. The numbers could be assigned in three stacks of six digits each. This "mark" would be required by all and no one could buy or sell without this invisibly tattooed number.' - David Wilkerson 1973

"And ultimately, and we all know this, the mark of the beast will come, and you will not be able to buy or sell without it. Which means we will all come to poverty if not starvation. We need to change our mind about materilism ..." - Denny Kenaston

(Early Anabaptism) The Approaching Wave of Persecution
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=17842

"What if tomorrow morning you got the daily newspaper and on the front page of the daily newspaper you saw these words written across there: "cashless society, all peoples have two months to make the transition to cashless society".
Oh, it would be presented so beautifuly , so nicely and so wonderfully and inviting to all of us:
'That its so much easer to deal with all the terrorist and all of those things, that if we just went with a cashless society, and you do not need a credit card anymore. And all you need to do is, get a little mark in your wrist in your hand and maybe one on your forehead and everything is going to be alright and you got to months to transist into this cashless society'." (to refuse that mark will be Gelassenheit) ”” Denny Kenaston

(Early Anabaptism) Gelassenheit””Complete Surrender
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=17838

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TMK Jul 25, 2017

What is the spiritual difference between using a credit card to buy something or using an "invisible tattoo" of a credit card to buy something? I would submit there is no difference.

This is why I believe if there is a literal future "mark" that it must be associated with an explicit denial of Jesus Christ as Lord, or an explicit avowal of someone else as lord.

Moving to a cashless society has no spiritual implications on its own. I already use cash on an exceedingly rare basis. I even give electronically to my church. Only if it is coupled with something more sinister, like what I have stated above, would it be concerning.

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MrBillPro Jul 25, 2017

Most of us have already voluntarily microchipped ourselves. It's called a cell phone.

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proudpapa Jul 25, 2017

"And ultimately, and we all know this..."

No one is ignorant of this subject among the Christian community.

The system is evil .

A global implementation of an implant that includes gps tracking, your health records , your ability to buy sell and travel. would be an ultimate surrender to the system, all individual sovereignty would be forfeited to the system.

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MrBillPro Jul 25, 2017

Some folks already have a chip on their shoulder...no wait that's different. :-)

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sermonindex Jul 25, 2017

”¢”¢”¢ Some folks already have a chip on their shoulder...no wait that's different. :-) ”¢”¢”¢

Love your humor bro. I guess we are "chipping" away at this thread.ðŸ˜Š

Just a little gentle humor to lighten up a serious conversation.

Bro Blaine

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TMK Jul 25, 2017

//A global implementation of an implant that includes gps tracking, your health records , your ability to buy sell and travel. would be an ultimate surrender to the system, all individual sovereignty would be forfeited to the system.//

Even if true I do not see the spiritual significance. I am not saying there is not a privacy interest but I see no spiritual component because one can remain loyal to Christ and be subject to these things.

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proudpapa Jul 25, 2017

There is a small remnant of us whom will refuse anything of the such even if it cost us our lives or causes us to starve to death or whatever.

We can expect Bro Denny if he where still alive would have been part of that remnant,
And I would expect that if Art Katz was alive would refuse the such from somethings that he spoke about the subject would have also been part of that small group that would refuse anything of the such.

Art Katz cut up his credit cards not because he abused them but because he felt they where leading in that direction.

clarity

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TMK Jul 25, 2017

PP what is the spiritual significance of a cashless society, in and of itself?

Phones used to have wires, now they are wireless. Does that make them inherently evil?

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savannah Jul 25, 2017

THIS THREAD IS REALLY GETTING UNDER MY SKIN!

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sermonindex Jul 25, 2017

”¢”¢”¢THIS THREAD IS REALLY GETTING UNDER MY SKIN!”¢”¢”¢

I think that is a good re MARK. ðŸ˜Š

Bro Blaine

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savannah Jul 25, 2017

What's so bad about a cashless society?

Too bad we can't go back to the good ole days of bartering, and a handshake. It was much better then.

Why so many think it is good to have 'In God We Trust' on our currency, is a good indicator of where their heads are really at.

Didn't Jesus have something to say about rendering unto...

Your life and your spirit is eternal. Again, Jesus assured us of this when he spoke of those who can but kill the body, but that is all they can do. Worship is in spirit. God knows those who worship Him in vain, and who the true worshipers are.

Ask all the martyrs, they will tell you!

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sermonindex Jul 26, 2017

Miss Evangeline,

I understand your hesitation in commenting or contributing,and greatly appreciate your courage in doing so.

My family and I have health issues, and have decided not to test, and have our DNA logged anywhere (to my knowledge) for future use. One company wrote me saying while they try to insure privacy, essentially there is no way to keep the gov't, or other entity from obtaining the material (Google has a vested interest in one of them).

None of us wants to be called a "conspiracy theorist," but having been a Christian for so long and seeing how the enemy has used "good" things for evil, it's a slippery slope. I'd pass on the employee chip. David Wilkerson & Art Katz were true prophets, thanks to the brother who quoted them.

Beth

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sermonindex Jul 26, 2017

Below article is interesting. Evidently it is difficult to remove this microchip once it has been implanted. The writer of the article suggest one should have second thoughts about having one of these things implanted under their skin.

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The Implantable Microchip ”“ How difficult is it to remove?

VeriChip CEO Scott Silverman has told the press that removing a VeriChip implant is a simple, almost trivial procedure. In a 2006 interview he said: "Should a person request the removal of an implanted microchip it can be removed by a simple out-patient procedure. It could be equated to removing a large splinter or a piece of glass.” Those who have actually undergone the chip removal procedure say’s that removing an implanted VeriChip device requires painstaking surgery that has been described by patients as difficult, time-consuming, and expensive. A big problem is locating the microchip, which typically cannot be felt under the skin. It is also possible that the chip may have migrated to a different location within the arm or other body part where it was implanted. When that happens, a sensor X-ray and monitors are needed to locate the chip.Once it has been found, the chip cannot simply be slid out of the body like a piece of glass, but rather a plastic surgeon must cut away the scar tissue that forms around the chip.

The implantable microchip can be removed from the body ”“ but it’s not like removing a splinter. This image is from a French documentary showing a VeriChip being surgically removed from the arm of a journalist.

Source: News of the world ”“ RFID CNN reporter Robyn Curnow confirms that chip removal is difficult. She was implanted with a VeriChip in a Spanish night club in 2004 and had the device removed later that year. She reports that the surgery was a challenge for the doctors involved””a far cry from "removing a splinter.” Here is her report:

Once back home in London, I begin to feel uncomfortable and unsure about my…[microchip implant]. The Baja [Beach Club] Web site assures that getting rid of the microchip is a simple and harmless procedure, something like removing a splinter. But the two doctors I consulted in London’s Harley Street disagreed. Getting the microchip [removed] became serious business. General practitioner Dr. Stuart Sanders referred me to consultant plastic surgeon Lena Andersson as soon as he realized he could not feel the microchip. It was buried so deep inside my upper arm that Andersson sent me off for an X-ray, and even that did not help the doctors. Although the microchip was visible on the X-ray, it was impossible to pinpoint the exact location in my arm as it was nowhere near the point of insertion. Finding it involved surgery at the clinic and a severe dose of post-Baja regret. One night out in Barcelona has permanently seared into my upper left arm. While splayed out on an operating table ”” once again anaesthetized ”” Andersson removed the chip using a high-tech sensor X-ray and two monitors to guide her to it. How difficult is the procedure? Let’s face it… Unless you are a atheist tech junky ”“ who in their right mind would allow the government (or anyone else) to implant a traceable microchip under their skin to monitor their every move especially when there is a chance of it being "The Mark of the Beast” prophesied in Revelation of the end times.. No one wants to be implanted like a dog and numbered like cattle, but how many will reject the same mandated (forced upon you) chip in a card of some sort when the results are the exactly the same. No RFID chip ”“ No travel ”“ No Food ”“ No House ”“ etc… Would you take your RFID tag in a card when it is offered to you? That is what they are hoping for. Implant or a card ”“ your choice ”“ the results are the same.

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Bro Blaine

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staff Jul 30, 2017

Hi TMK
I am with you on ur comment below .A chip etc doesnt have any spiritual significance on its own,so being numbered although evil I believe cannot separate you from Jesus Christ,it has to be a "spiritual mark" in some way.....

This is why I believe if there is a literal future "mark" that it must be associated with an explicit denial of Jesus Christ as Lord, or an explicit avowal of someone else as lord
urs staff

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TMK Jul 30, 2017

Agree 100%

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sermonindex Jul 31, 2017

How a mark of the beast can be a "spiritual mark" which is not visible. How a spiritual mark can be use for buying and selling as mentioned in Revelation 13:16? We cannot buy and sell now without credit/debit card or money, and that is physical. Can it be a literal mark on the right hand or forehead? ... The passage in Revelation 13:17 is pretty clear though. Is it possible also that the society is being condition that employer mandatorily requires employees to be microchip? Why biometric ID is not enough as an identification, there is sure has purpose behind this microchipping? Is it possible that this technological advancement is playing a huge role of marking people. The answer is uncertain what mark of the beast will be. Only God's time can tell.

But one thing is very sure that if anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger, which is stated in Revelation 14:9.

It will be a great opportunity then when that time comes to oppose the mark, and show our great Love for God, and die of hunger and live for Jesus Christ.

// "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name." ~ Revelation 13:16-17 //

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TMK Jul 31, 2017

Exodus 13:16 And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the Lord brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand.”

Deuteronomy 6:8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

How about this: We are marked by what we think and who we're loyal to (head) and our deeds (either good or evil)-- hands.

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proudpapa Aug 1, 2017

RE : /// How about this: We are marked by what we think and who we're loyal to (head) and our deeds (either good or evil)-- hands. ///

How does the buying and selling fit ?

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Heydave Aug 2, 2017

Article today on BBC website.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-40794808/hampshire-inventor-puts-microchip-in-hand-to-unlock-car

They are really gearing up for this all over the world. Notice his comments about planning to be able to pay for things just like a credit card and also have all you personal data on it.

Even if at this stage it is not actual 'mark', it's easy to see how this could eventually be used for this. I would not take either way!

I remember in the 1980's this technology was being highlighted by some 'end times' preachers. Because nothing has happened for over 30 years folk get 'bored with' or forget these warnings. It's the 'frog in the water' effect that the enemy uses all the time, so most folk don't notice they are being 'boiled' alive!

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TMK Aug 2, 2017

//how does the buying and selling fit in?//

This be referring to a requirement of buying in to the things of the world and actually thinking the thoughts of the non-Christian world.

This could be manifested via actual worship of the state, or by following the norms of the culture and government.

If you follow God you will stand out like a sore thumb and probably suffer persecution.

Don't forget there is a prior, non literal mark referenced in Rev 7:3.

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ginnyrose Aug 4, 2017

Blaine, reading this article, got me to thinking...what would happen if the promoters of this chip were to be sued for false advertising - saying it is easy to remove when it is not - with a court order to pay for its removal? I suspect they would either modify it or abandon it completely if the lawsuits keep coming and bankrupt the company. If this were to happen, I suspect they would find another method to put a mark on one's forehead or hands.

Sandra

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sermonindex Aug 4, 2017

we all have different opinions about this topic but we will find out what it will be in God's appointed time...

Have a bless weekend to all of you! :)