Resurrection:

The resurrection,...could iit have anything to do with
the need of washing of water by the Word ? Is it needful?

Can we consider that ?

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elizabeth

Yes,bro Greg, I will try,

Resurrection:
Thoughts: ......I know I talk a lot about the kingdom,...please bear w/me,...and NOW thinking on resurrection and is it something that is pertinent to the *Washing of Water by The Word." ?

What is your thoughts on:
Jn.3:5,...
Jesus answered, Verily, Verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of 'water' and of 'the Spirit' he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

......does this 'Water' and 'Spirit', hold significants for being under the headship of the King ? ,..and entering the kingdom ?

thinking also, along the lines that being born is a travail,, if one wants to cling on to the world,.....having our will die, and washed away can be a travail.

I hope this is not foreign to everyone,..it is very important to me,because of The Lord revealing this to me that ....
* "The kingdom of God is the resurrected Lord in us" ..... He comes in,by Way of The Holy Spirit,to be Lord, ..King,..rule in our life, (Life).....the kingdom of God is within us,..it is The Fathers good pleasure to give us the kingdom...

But what does the 'Washing of water by the Word,have to do w/ The kingdom?
....I believe The King,who is Jesus,as His
'Grace' draws us to The Kings will,(we know that our will is always prevalent) then through the Spirit' leading, ..but must allow our will / Word to be washed away by His Word, ?...because He is King /Lord, of His Kingdom....us being made conformable...
( the resurrection of The Lord in us.)
* (The king at work in His kingdom that is within us)
prayerfully,
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elizabeth

The context in Eph 5 regarding washing of water by the word seems to have nothing to do with resurrection but rather Christ's desire for a sanctified church.

Obviously the new birth could be considered a resurrection of sorts and the new birth precedes sanctification.

I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you.
Psalm 119:11

Thank you,Todd,
I appreciate you responding.
I will consider on your thoughts.

I believe there is much to be considered about the overall / deep / a mystery,..if you will,...of The Lord' view of 'resurrection'....don't you?
Let us see..

Love the Paslms too,...His Words in our hearts..

Blessings,
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elizabeth

Lots of times when I don't understand some of the word of God I just fall back to this...The God who has revealed Himself in Scripture tells us that He is going to be "incomprehensible” to us. But does this mean that God is going to be irrational or illogical? No. It means that God is beyond man’s capacity to understand or explain exhaustively. In this sense, God is beyond human reason and logic because He is infinite and we are finite.

Dear bro.,
Thank you for responding,

RE:
".The God who has revealed Himself in Scripture tells us that He is going to be "incomprehensible” to us. But does this mean that God is going to be irrational or illogical? No. It means that God is beyond man’s capacity to understand or explain exhaustively. In this sense, God is beyond human reason and logic because He is infinite and we are finite."

Re:
"It means that God is beyond man’s capacity to understand or explain exhaustively."

Bro. , Can we look at ,just a few, thoughts,......

* the men on the way to Emaus,...How The Lord opened their eyes.

*Paul, who did not confer w/man, ...didn't have a new testiment,..
but God taught him, through The Spirit.

* How the Scriptures continually desires for us to have 'spiritual eyes',...
eyes to see/ears to hear....and it is only He that can do that for us.

Peter, ..and we know that Scripture ,.."who do you say that I Am ?
"Thou art The Christ, The Son of the Living God.
( flesh and blood did not reveal this to him,but The Father in Heaven. ")

May we 'see' O'Lord, 🛐
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elizabeth

elizabeth said...Bro. , Can we look at ,just a few, thoughts,......
* the men on the way to Emaus,...How The Lord opened their eyes.
*Paul, who did not confer w/man, ...didn't have a new testiment,..
but God taught him, through The Spirit.

Elizabeth-

In Eph 5 when Paul talked about the washing of water by the word, don't you think he was just using a metaphor? Doesn't he just mean that the word, properly applied and heeded, can cleanse us?

It doesn't seem as esoteric to me as you are making it, but it is very possible I am not 100% sure what you are getting at.

Bro.,
RE:
.... "The men on the way to Emaus...my interpretation of that is yes, God did open their eyes, and they entered into a phase of their life in which they understood both the Scriptures and the Lord Himself differently. In other words they had a different understanding of God, I don't feel they completely understood him still."

Yes,..He wants to reveal to us who He really is.,....His thoughts,..... His judgments,how He see things....to actually 'know' Him.
Don't we need the keys to the kingdom too.
Isn't that the place we want to be?

So,What do we see in this ?

We can see in the communing w/Peter,...How it pleased Jesus,....by that revelation Jesus told him,...(we know how it goes)

when
The Spirit,...The Father revealed Truths to him,...and not a flesh and blood thing-
But,only a few verses down when Peter began to have a heart / care for this life,... earthly things,...his love of how he had it down here, ..his love /care for being w/ Jesus....
Jesus said to him,..."Get behind me Satan"

He does reveal His Word / His Spirit, ..Himself to us ,but by measure to us.
But Jesus,His Son,..God gave it to Him "without measure". (see below)

Jn.3;31-34,....(John the Baptist speaking of Jesus)
He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: "for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him."

Lovingly I share,
Thank you for communing,
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elizabeth

Todd,
Thank you.
Let me think on that some.

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elizabeth

Sister Elizabeth,

It is indeed interesting to consider what (I think) you’re getting at...

The "word” in the Ephesians passage is rehma and not logos-
So if I’m understanding correctly the passage is directing us to wash our wives in the "revealed/revelation” word of God, not simply beat her over the head with scripture (logos). Meaning we have to go before the throne of God and receive directly from Him a spoken revelation to have something with which to wash and cleanse our wives as opposed to simply citing verses from memory no matter how applicable. Another way of saying this is, not by the letter of the law but by the spirit of the letter, as it’s Holy Spirit whom reveals Christ:) Any old Pharisee can quote scripture but only a spirit filled and led saint can be a mouthpiece for God.
Also it ties back to Peter when he said "if any man speak let him speak as an oracle of God”... seems much the same, no?

Hey Fletcher-

I think in that verse in Eph 5 there is the shift from husbands loving your wives as Christ loved the church and it seems the washing part applies to the latter and not the former. That is how I read it anyway.

Bro.Fletcher,

First of all,please let me commend you,..only yesterday,I wanted to say,
that you have such a kind and restraint way of handling the most difficult situations with your words,..writing. That is remarkable.😊❤️

Yes, I do realize Paul was exhorting husbands ,..

As to what care husbands should care for their wife's, nourishing,and cherishing,..that is very good.

But,I understood Paul,as especially emphasizing Christ and the church.

So, how would Christ nourish and cherish the church ?
He cherishes us,...comforts,..I believe that means,..loves us and careth for our needs,...He really,many times runs ahead of us and takes care before we even ask.

He 'nourishes' us with . Spiritual / heavenly Bread / Food, sent down from heaven,....His Spirit / Word, to guide us in the Way we are to go.

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,....(.is this why He gives us this Bread?)

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

He said it was a mystery:

Eph.5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Graciously,
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elizabeth

Yes and Amen to both brother Todd and Sister Elizabeth and please forgive me for not being more succinct (was at work while responding and got called to duty earlier than expected) as that thought was not clearly represented on my end.
In my mind the thought was complete tho after re-reading I see how clumsy and easily misunderstood it actually was/is...

I was hoping to continue with the analogy Paul was using of Christ and His church and a husband and his wife-
In the same way it applies to a domestic situation would be the same as with the church, meaning the church must be washed in the fresh revelation of what God is saying presently not only what has been written. Now of course it must align seamlessly with scripture tho nonetheless must be a "marriage” of the rehma and the logos. When the logos stands alone we find legalism, whereas when the rehma stands alone we find apostasy...
This theme of both is found throughout scripture, like with the gifts and the fruit of the Spirit. Often one wing is given priority over the other to such an extent that one is ignored or even denied. This, as we all know, produces a host of divisive dysfunction within the church, the body of Christ resulting in a powerless church that exhibits less and less of Christlikeness. Like Ravenhill once said a dove with one wing can only fly in circles never getting anywhere.

Likewise it is with the resurrection.... in order for us to abound in Christ there must be both reformation and regeneration. Often one is hilited at the expense of the other. While one turns to the left in disobedience the other turns to the right in deception, missing the narrow way in between them. It seems as though because each side has a scriptural basis their adherents are pitted against one another rather than finding both absolutely necessary and each being an integral functioning organ of the whole. The reformed camp often a bottom heavy organization that is so slow so as to be paralyzed and the charismatics are top heavy and are tossed to a fro at the whim of anything promising signs and wonders. Again both are necessary but in the proper proportion.
The resurrected kingdom life for which we are born can only be founded on Christ as He is revealed in scripture and can only be fueled by Christ the living word of God as a personal revelation, both of which are exclusively by His Spirit.

Luke 4:4 kjv
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Here we see a perfect synthesis illustrating this point... while our flesh must be fueled by "bread” our spirit must be fed by the word of God. Note; the "word” here is rhema the spoken word of the Father to His child-
So we see Jesus combine both by saying "it is written” which satisfies the logos while requiring/qualifying the rhema "spoken” and both are by His Spirit:)

We are all in constant dependence on both and to be without one is tantamount to having a car with either no gas or no oil... without gas we aren’t going anywhere and without oil we’re bound to burn out.
(For me) this is analogous to the "oil” of the virgins- they had the logos but were missing the rhema and therefore were caught off guard and found unprepared :/

Ok I’m rambling.... hope that helps to clarify and not over complicate the issue.

Thank you,Brother, Fletcher
Appreciate your thoughts,...the paragraph near bottom of page,especially
stood out for me .

Re:
" The resurrected kingdom life for which we are born can only be founded on Christ as He is revealed in scripture and can only be fueled by Christ the living word of God as a personal revelation, both of which are exclusively by His Spirit."

I was just thinking,..of different words in the Scriptures that actually represents 'resurrection" ,...that which comes forth to serve The Living God.
* Life
*living
Passing unto Life, is a resurrection.,... Life working in us,...

There is really much more that could be wrote about the resurrection,
that has maybe been passed over.

Paul preached the kingdom of God ,and the things pertaining to the kingdom,and the resurrection,..and people got really angry w/him when he preached the resurrection.

Phil.3:9-12,.. Paul said,
"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 ¶ Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus."

Anyways,...would love to continue,
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elizabeth

So we shall...

It’s interesting you quoted the passage from Philippians- why did Paul want to "know the power” of Christ’s resurrection ?

Paul makes a strong case in 1 Cor 15 that the resurrection is the fundamental basis of our faith,... citing; "if Christ not be raised we are to be pitied most among men”
So consider the gospel in a nutshell is "Christ in us, the hope of glory” what exactly does that mean?
Also consider that the resurrection is unto ETERNAL LIFE.... think about that for a minute, eternal = having no end or beginning. So when did/does the resurrection unto a timeless reality that always was/is occur?

Now perhaps Paul’s desire to "know the power” of Christ’s resurrection comes into focus. As well as some of his phraseology like in Ephesians 2 when he says we are seated (presently) in Christ in heaven (eternity).

Again if God was busy reconciling the world unto Himself in Christ, and Christ is in and being fully formed in us, why aren’t all things being reconciled in us?
Or another way of saying that is, has the gospel found it’s end in us?
The end being, "unfeigned love from a pure heart”.... isn’t that the measure of our hope far more than the gifts or fruit? We may have both the gifts and fruit but if we have not love.... and if we only love those who love us, then what good is it? But when we have unfeigned love from a pure heart even and especially for those who hate us and seek to do us harm, then we see the resurrection life of Christ in full display of its power here and now:) Isn’t that what He gave Himself for? Isn’t that the only way God gets glory out of man,...through Christ living in us?

Not sure if you’ve heard it but; Major Ian Thomas has a very good sermon touching on this- "a grain of wheat” which I’m sure is still here on SI

Bro.Fletcher,

All I can say at the point,...is WOW !

I must go back and absorb.

I wish I could just have all day for prayerful thought,and searching out on this sooo important subject.

- someone coming to help me today,..do some work,.., get back soon as can.

Bless you,
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Fletcher,
I am familiar w/ Major Ian Thomas,..remembered I enjoyed his writings,
and would love to look that up.

Your thoughts here are so enormous,..and rightfully needed.I am grateful.

Re: "It’s interesting you quoted the passage from Philippians- why did Paul want to "know the power” of Christ’s resurrection ?"

"To know the power of His resurrection" : .....to be under the total Lordship of The Spirit of God ? Wasn't that what he wanted to attain to ?
Paul said,"I die daily"....can there be a resurrection except there be a death.? .....Paul said,'daily'

...2Cor.4:10,11,
(Paul),..
"Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest (real) in our body."
or we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest (real) in our mortal flesh.

12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you."

*..is Paul saying,......that by dying always,,..the resurrection Life , that comes by this death,,that is what causes life to work in others.....?and then when they come to The Lord,death must work in them,or in us,that life can work in others ?

.( The Life,..The resurrection Life working in Paul / us, causes life to draw others to God)

(Paul),...".that I may "know him",and "the power of his resurrection", and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made "conformable unto his death",

Still, so much more prayer and thought-
And to back up and take more thought of your post and with much appreciation for Todds post,as well as others.
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elizabeth

Yes!!! Amen and very well said:)

I was just finishing up on some notes to share when I read this and it’s def in the same spirit:)

Read over these noticing the verb tense, (present) as well as the continued correlation of Christ as head of His body the church-
Additionally He is the "firstborn” yet He is uncreated.... let that sink in and then we being the fruits becomes more resolute. It’s not so much about us producing fruits (we do) rather we ARE the fruits of Christ’s resurrection:)
Each producing after its own kind, just as it was from the beginning- which if I’m understanding correctly your words is what you’re saying about how our death to self allows Christ’s life in us to manifest and draw others unto Himself-

BTW this is an enjoyable fellowship and exchange/ministry so thank you for your patience and participation, it is not only encouraging but helps to focus/renew my mind on this subject:)

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Thanks again and I hope to share more later but for now I need to reread your post and meditate.

Blessings~

Thank you bro. Fletcher,....certainly a blessing!!

Lk.20:38,
For He is not a God of 'the dead' but of the 'living:' for all live unto >>>> Him.

Jn.11:23-24,
Martha sayeth unto Him,I know that he (Lazarus,her brother) shall rise again in the 'resurrection' at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I AM THE RESURRECTION and THE LIFE: He that believeth in me,though he 'were dead' yet shall he 'live':

So then,to be born again of The Spirit of Jesus,who had The Spirit of God,...who is The Word,who Is Spirit,...the same Spirit that He gives to us /lives in us,..gives His Life to us.,..then to resurrect His Life ,...
".to know Him", and the power of ........"The Resurrection",... Life ...( The RESURRECTED LORD IN US.)

Blessings,

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elizabeth

Continuing thoughts,..

Is there really 'much' to be seen,... to convey to us,in the story of Martha and Mary ?

I really need those 'two days still', ...just think about it.

Martha was ' ever so busy,..doing a 'good' thing,.. even needful.
When her brother died, she fretting , and ran out to find Jesus,.....(faith?)

Mary,sat in the house,..Was she just in peace ? (faith?)
Mary sat at Jesus' feet and learned of Him,..got discipled.
It was she that washed Jesus' feet,and dried them w/ her hair,...her glory.

"Now Jesus loved both,Martha and Mary."

Yet,what does this matter ?

"Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 ¶ Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day....

( could Martha not see the 'resurrection ' ?)

Do we too, need to 'see' the resurrection that Jesus and Paul are trying to convey ?
I want to see it,...and what about the Word that Paul used,..'attain' ?

25 ¶ Jesus said unto her, I AM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
27 ¶ She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: "I BELIEVE THAT THOU ARE THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD,which should come into the world.
28 ¶ And when she had so said, "she went her way" .

I believe,that Martha, like unto us, Jesus was trying to get her to 'see' Spirituality.

*Mary,when Jesus called for her,she got up hastily and went to Him......What is this saying, here ?

Jesus' life was a life of death,even before He died, and His Life was a Life of "resurrection Life", His whole Life,..before He was resurrected after His death on earth.
Always, "Spirituality minded"...The mind of His Father,God.

if we examine Scriptures, Jesus most always, ...as He was asked questions,answered with a Spiritual answer.
He healed,...helped,..but it always reflected the things of the Spiritual.

For instance,..(Jesus speaking)

"Don't you know that I am about my Fathers business?"

"My mother or my sister or brother,are those that doeth the will of my Father."

"I have meat / food that you know nothing of "

"I Am The Resurrection and the Life"

Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts-
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Blessings,
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elizabeth

A hearty AMEN!!!

Good stuff:)))

He said He was the bread of life that came down from heaven,... and unless we eat of His flesh we shall have no part of Him~

Thank you Fletcher,
I'm encouraged,..
Lord bless you,
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elizabeth

Elibeth: The verse in John 33 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Look at the context. Nicodemus is speaking of natural birth, Jesus about spiritual birth, and then Jesus makes a contrast between the two. So water here refers to natural birth.

Eph. 5. Paul speaks of husbands and wives, and we often use this to speak of marriage. But in the latter part of the chapter, Paul says this. I paraphrase. "Look here guys. I am not really talking about marriage here, but about Christ and the church. But, you can also apply my analogy to marriage."

We put faith in the living word of God, Jesus Christ, and in the word of God that was given, the word of the gospel, in order to be born again. We are cleansed by the word of God. See John 15. So our entrance into the kingdom and our purification comes through faith in the word of God. We are baptized into the death of Christ and partake of His resurrection when we put faith in the word of God. Romans 6. This is pictured in baptism, not that we have past deeds washed away, but that we partake in this death and resurrection. 1 Peter 3: 8-21.

Bro. Travis,
I just saw where you posted, will you please forgive ,..
I will try to answer tomorrow.
I am quite tired tonight.
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elizabeth

Travis,
Re:
"Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"

Re:
"Look at the context. Nicodemus is speaking of natural birth, Jesus about spiritual birth, and then Jesus makes a contrast between the two. So water here refers to natural birth."
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If we look at others who would speak in Jesus' time,they spoke in the understanding of the natural,...flesh way of understanding,..but when Jesus Taught,He taught in the Spiritual,..
So I am saying when Jesus told Nicodemus,.."except a man be born of the water and of The Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

I really believe it to be of a Spirtual nature.

Would you please consider this...Paul / birth

Gal.1:15,
For,I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 ¶ For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

** 15 ¶ But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
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* Doesn't Paul also speak / teach w/ some iin the Spiritual nature ?
One example:
( I really believe that Paul was saying,that God separated him from his natural birth, into his Spiritual birth. I believe it to be of The Spirit -talk.)
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16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

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elizabeth

And again....
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

There’s just so much about this in scripture that I had never realized before, and it’s becoming much more clear :)

Happy to continue,

I treasure the learning of Him.

Jn.11:24,
......."I AM the RESURRECTION and 'the LIFE' he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he 'LIVE.

26 And whosoever 'LIVETH' and believeth in me shall never die."

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Acts4:33,
" And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all."

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Acts 4:1,2,
"¶ And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,
2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead."

***

Rom.6:
"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

**5 ¶ For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

looking back at the revealed word:

" The kingdom of God,is the resurrected Lord in us."

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elizabeth

Elibeth,

I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Jesus is teaching Nicodemus that he must have two births to enter the kingdom. One physical, and one spiritual. That which is born of flesh (comes out from the mother's water) is simply the flesh of man. But that which is born of the Spirit is the spirit of man. Hence the entire concept of the "rebirth".

That was the point I was making. I guess I am not at all understanding what you are trying to say in your response.

The water from the Lord Jesus side has the same meaning as the Blood, the Blood takes away sin, the water assures us of death to sin, (thus the faith of baptism in water) on the Cross with Him that we might be born again. The Spirit is the Spirit of Christ birthed in us by the Father giving us the life of Christ and the Holy Spirit giving us the Wisdom of Christ speaking of things only that pertain to what Jesus wants us to know. The Holy Spirit ("not of Himself") but of all things that Christ wants to bring to our remembrance that He said and the things that are revealed that we could not understand until after the resurrection for the future.

The water separated from the blood also assured no bones would be broken as spoken in prophesy and the proof of His death taking away the heresy of the swoon story, that he was not dead and there was no resurrection.

If I was crucified on the cross the water assures my death with Him that I might have life with Him in resurrection by the "faith of Jesus Christ, who loved me and gave Himself for me". The new birth making me a new creature birthed by the Father that I might live in the House of God that Jesus is preparing for those God has given Him; "many mansions".

There are three that agree on this earth, The Water (proof of death to new, new creature resurrection life), The blood (forgiveness of all sin), The Spirit (the Spirit of Christ with the Father and the Holy Spirit making their abode in us.

In Christ: Phillip

Hi Elizabeth,

I don't know how I missed this;
"The kingdom of God, is the resurrected Lord in us."

I so totally agree. Amen

In Christ: Phillip

Philip,
Please forgive me,...I am not ignoring you,....
Plan to get back to this subject,...because of the importance of :

*the kingdom of God
* the washing of water by The Word
* the resurrection

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elizabeth

Travis,
Re:by twayneb on 2017/10/18 8:08:53

Elibeth,

"I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Jesus is teaching Nicodemus that he must have two births to enter the kingdom. One physical, and one spiritual. That which is born of flesh (comes out from the mother's water) is simply the flesh of man. But that which is born of the Spirit is the spirit of man. Hence the entire concept of the "rebirth".

..************

Travis, I really do not believe Jesus is talking about the 'water'
in the natural birth here,..

Here are some Scriptures for us to consider,...

Mt.19:28,
¶ And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in 'THE REGENERATION' when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Titus 3:5,
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by "THE WASHING OF REGENERATION' and
RENEWING of the Holy Ghost;"

Eph.5:26,27,
That he might 'sanctify' and cleanse it with 'THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD,'
27 "That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish."

V.32,
"...I speak concerning Christ and the church."

Jn.17:17,
17 "Sanctify' them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

1 Thes. 5:23,
..(note,....Paul is talking ....
..."unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: "

" ¶ And the very God of peace 'sanctify' you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

I am considering 'Sanctify' and the washing of water by 'the Word' ,as of it's use in Eph.5:26,27,

Hope not confusing,
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elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth,

You wrote: """I am considering 'Sanctify' and the washing of water by 'the Word' ,as of it's use in Eph.5:26,27,

Hope not confusing,
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Elizabeth"""

Not confusing at all, the water that came out of the heart of Jesus separated from the blood, Is the washing of water by the Word, Logos of God, is Jesus Christ presenting His Bride to the Father and Himself without spot or wrinkle, plus the justification and forgiveness of sin by the Blood on the altar of God in Heaven, where we are already seated in Christ waiting for the resurrection and changing in the twinkling of an eye.

God bless; In Christ: Phillip

Philip,..good morning !

Thank you for your many responses on this very important,...and perhaps vital subject. (Actually,I think,I need to skip,the 'and perhaps' )

When I talked about 'sanctification'.., it was showing by Scripture I gave that it was to the church,...( so that would mean, that they had already came ,and were the church by their repentance and The Blood of Jesus)

1 Thes. 5:23,
..(note,....Paul is talking ....
..."unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: "

But yet,Paul says this to them:

" ¶ And the very God of peace 'sanctify' you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

"Wholly": entirely,fully

But,forgive me,...I don't want to get off track,by bringing up sanctification,..

But to continue:

*Resurrection

* Live / Life

*The kingdom of God

And(the washing of Water by The Word)

Yes, 'The kingdom of God, is the resurrected Lord, in us'........His ''Life'
being 'lived' out in us, by His Spirit.

I want to look at :
Why ?
Did Jesus do a repeat to what He was saying,..and with the addition of few Words,..expounding farther on just what He was saying?

Example in (2) instances:

Jn.3:3,
(1)
¶ "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he 'cannot see' the kingdom of God."

(2)
V.5,
¶ "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he 'cannot enter' into the kingdom of God."

AND,....

Jn.11:25,
(1)
¶ "Jesus said unto her, I AM the resurrection, and 'the life': he that 'believeth' in me, though he were dead, yet shall he 'live' : "

(2)
V.26,
"...'And whosoever liveth' and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

(That 'believeth' means,...I believe it means,...believes what He says.)
(He is always putting emphasis on, 'look at what I Am saying! ,.....I want you to 'see',....in a Spiritual sense,...the 'revealed' Word. )

* Remembering Peter,...because of The 'reveled' Word to him, Jesus says,

Mt.16:15-19,
¶ "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I AM ?"

16 ¶ "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of
THE LIVING GOD"

17 ¶ "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not 'revealed' it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and 'upon this rock' I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

19 "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: "

( upon the 'revealed Word'.......(The Rock)..,will He build His church.)
(The keys that unlocks the Kingdom of heaven)

It is truly a mystery-

Hope to continue,.....🛐

Spiritual 🍞
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elizabeth

Elizabeth: Thank you for clarifying. I understand your perspective now. I would have to disagree with you on the John 3 scripture simply because of the strong context of Nicodemus' question and Jesus answer. However, I do agree totally that the Word has the sanctifying and washing power in our lives. That being said, if you find in the John 3 scripture a connection to the washing of water of the word, it certainly is not unBiblical. I just don't think that particular verse is saying that particular thing. Blessings today!

You are welcome,bro. Travis,

Jesus,hath given us of His Spirit,...His 'LIFE QUICKENING SPIRIT'

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

( in Him is Life)

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elizabeth

Living,.....Water,...Life,...

Jn.4:10, 14,

(Jesus talking to Samaritan woman at the well)

"If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee
'LIVING WATER' "

¶ Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

14 But whosoever drinketh of 'THE WATER' that I shall give him shall never thirst; but 'THE WATER' that I shall give him shall be 'in him' ,
A WELL OF WATER, SPRINGING UP INTO EVERLASTING LIFE."

Jn.7:38-39,

"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of LIVING WATERS:

* ( this next verse I found notable,..Jesus had been talking
about 'WATER' ......

------>>>> V.39 , "(But this spake he of 'THE SPIRIT' which they that 'BELIEVE' on him should receive:"

And, here is a Scripture that Fletcher mentioned...I found it interesting:

Jn.1:12,

"But as many as received Him, to them gave he power 'to become' the sons of God, even to them that 'BELIEVE' on His Name."

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Blessings,
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elizabeth

Bro.Marvin,
I am continuing to search the 'washing of water,by the word '

Looking at , ye must be born 'AGAIN' of the water and of The Spirit,...
I noticed the word 'AGAIN',....so it could not mean , water at one's natural birth,...could it ?

I am thinking, that it means, The Spirit of The Word, ...the well of Water ,...
Looking these Scriptures again:

Jn.4:
¶ Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee 'living water."

V.13-14,
¶ Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up *into 'everlasting life'

Jn.7:37-39,

¶ In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink."

38 'He that believeth on me', as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of 'living water.'

** V. 39, **** ( But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: " ***

Rev.21:6-7,
¶ And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the 'WATER OF LIFE' freely."

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."

*question:
What does He mean,...'water of Life' ?.....
....is it not The Holy Spirit, that we are led by ?....
( reference back to V.39, above )

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Too, if we look, there are many examples of Jesus' mind and thought,....His answers mostly, ..if not all, ...He would give a Spiritual answer.

Here is just a couple of many,that we can look at:

( His disciple s went away to get food for them to eat)

Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.
31 ¶ In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.
32 ¶ But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
33 ¶ Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?
34 ¶ Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

And,

Jesus said unto them,
" Don't you know, that I am about my Fathers business. "

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Considering,..

Thank you Marvin,

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elizabeth

Still searching,...
Please search w / me.
Some very interesting things coming to my attention....

* Water,.Living Water,... The Spirit,..The Life of God,...(our Father),...Resurrection,...Life,....Living,..

The unity of God, ..His Word--

And NOW,....TO KNOW GOD ! ........

Jn.17:3,
"And this is 'ETERNAL LIFE' , that they might 'KNOW THEE' , the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Do we get to really know Him, as this 'Wells / Fountains of Living Water flow,..springing up, flow out of us ? ( ....that enter working of His Spirit ?..)

Another interesting thing that was brought to my thoughts,.
...( by bro. Fletcher ) was:
Jn.1:12-13,
But as many as received him, to them gave he 'POWER TO BECOME THE SONS OF GOD' , even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which 'WERE BORN', not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, ' BUT OF GOD' .

And,....

Shall we continue?..

Don't we just love good Bread ?

Thank you for letting me share my morning Bread-

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elizabeth

Continuing:
...
(Jesus tells us ) ..."And out of his belly shall flow rivers of Living Water," ....

..but where does this,...Rivers,..Wells,...Water come from ?....
Doesn't it have to originate / come from God, ( His Spirit) ,..and not of our own making ?........

And, ..Is this where the glory happens ? ,....

'the Christ in you / us , the hope of glory '

Blessings to you,

🍞

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elizabeth

I am TRULY sorry about that,..sent too soon,...don't know really how it happened-----
Was just gathering thoughts,....

Please forgive,
elizabeth

Continuing,...

Born AGAIN, ...
I was looking at what Peter says we are born again with:

1Pet.1:23,
"Being born again, not of corruptible SEED, but of incorruptible, by 'THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever."

So, We are born again of The Spirit / Word of God,...(The Holy Spirit ) .....(God is Spirit,and God is The Word)

He gives us a new Name, which is His Name,
( Rev. 19:13,.... "and His Name is called,The Word of God"

But what does that do for us,... or what is it IN us for ?... I believe it is in us for the same reason it was in the disciples,...and
the Godly people in the Bible.
Is it in us as an enabler,...'power to 'become'
The children,....in The 'everlasting kingdom of God,that we are 'entering into'...
A death and dying,...------> resurrection,.... Life from the dead ?

...to be Spiritually minded is Life and peace,..but to be carnally minded is death.

What is This Spirit / Word in us for ?...
What about,..the washing of water by the water of The Word ?

Truly,
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elizabeth

Amen!

Well done:)

Thanks Be to God,... thank you Brother

🛐

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elizabeth

Colossians 1:25-26 Whereof I am made a minister , according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you , to fulfil (((((the Word of God ;))))) Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations , but now is made manifest to his saints :

What is the """mystery""" Paul is talking about which fulfills the Word of God, which was hidden until Jesus Christ the Word of God was resurrected?

This is what Peter is speaking to when he writes "being born again", "by the Word of God.

Who then is the Word of God? John 1:1-4 In the beginning was ((((((the Word , ))))))and the Word was with God , and the Word was God . The same was in the beginning with God . All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made . In him was life ; and the life was the light of men .

The Word, (Logos) Jesus Christ, not the written word rah mah.

Who did all this birthing, born again, born from above?

John 1:12-14 But as many as received him , to them gave he power to become the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name : Which were born , not of blood , nor of the will of the flesh , nor of the will of man , but of God . And the Word was made flesh , and dwelt among us , (and we beheld his glory , the glory as of the only begotten of the Father ,) full of grace and truth

Bro. Philip,
The way of my understanding is,..there can be no 'Life' except there be a death,...and Paul said he died 'daily' ...( not a one time thing),...and can there be a 'resurrection' if there be not a death / cross ?..
Why is there such a revolt against a death to self,and 'Alive' unto God.
Is it as Paul says, ....the preaching of the cross is foolishness...?
( I am speaking His truths, as revealed unto me.)

Jn.6:48-51,
"I am that bread of life."
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is 'my flesh' , which I will give for the 'life' of the world."

'His flesh' that He gave for the world,....He not only gave His natural life,..but He gave The Word,to us and for us,.....and because of The Word that 'He was' and 'He spake' , that 'He gave' to the world, for us.....He was hated and was killed. ..This Word that He gave to as many as would believe....in Him,..Jesus,'Messiah',..meaning 'God with us'...
The Word is God,...And this Word is in us,through the power of His Spirit to do a work,..the renewing of The Holy Ghost,.....BUT WHY ?
...to allow Him to bring forth the Life of God,.....'resurrection Life' in us
through dying.

Lord ! Please ! ..🙏
Give us 'this day' our daily Bread, ......heavenly Bread.
That 'Thy Kingdom' come into the earth,as it is in heaven.
......and Hallowed be 'Thy Name' ,....(everything that is in your Name,...all His righteous judgments in all things,The Whole Word of God,)..that Thou hast given us,...that is a well of Water springing up into Eternal Life.

Lovingly,
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elizabeth

Elizabeth,

You wrote, "... there can be no 'Life' except there be a death."

>>>>> So very true!! Whether Christ's or ours :)

You wrote, "...and Paul said he died 'daily' .... (not a one time thing)..."

>>>>> I believe it is a one time thing. When the Holy Spirit was teaching me what happened to me at the Cross, I saw throughout the NT "having died, if you have died, being dead, reckon yourself as being dead etc.- all past tense. When I came upon "I die daily" I was perplexed because it didn't fit in with what the Holy Spirit was revealing. I remember putting that scripture on a shelf because I didn't know what to do with it. Many months later, a man came to our church who taught on the Cross and I heard him say that that scripture, in the original Greek meant, "I am dead daily." I was elated!! It fit with the rest of the scriptures!

You wrote: "...and can there be a 'resurrection' if there be not a death/Cross?"

>>>> Impossible. How can one be raised unless he be dead?
💜

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Romans 6:3-7 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Was Christ dead when He was crucified? If He was dead then I am dead also. Dead to the Law that I might live unto God.
By faith I am dead with Christ, I daily awake knowing that I am dead to the Law of sin and death. I don't die daily, but because of Christ in me I am already dead with Him on the Cross, this I awaken to every day; "Daily".

All of Galatians 1 shows how Paul was called, "by the Grace of God". It also shows how Jesus Christ was revealed in Him.
It also shows where He went to get the Gospel he preached, he went into Arabia, what is in Arabia? Mt Sinai where Moses received the Law of the 10 commandments. God is always showing us Who He is and How He works. Moses received the Law in Aribia and Paul received the new Gospel of Christ in you the Hope of Glory. Paul even calls it "MY GOSPEL". Which he writes that it truly fulfills the Word of God, In Christ Jesus.

Christ revealed in Paul; Galatians 1:15-16 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, ((((((To reveal his Son in me,))))) that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Truly the fulfillment of the Word of God; Christ in us.
The MYSTERY revealed to Paul that we might know the fulfillment of the Word of God. Christ in you the hope of glory.

Colossians 1:25-28 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the (((((mystery))))) which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this (((((mystery))))) among the Gentiles; (((((which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:))))) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Our Standing before God the Father; perfect in Christ seated in the heavenlies with Christ at the right hand of the Father, by faith, this faith pleasing the Father, we are waiting for our new bodies and our new home Jesus is preparing many mansions for us in His Fathers house where He will take His Bride, (parable of the virgins)

Born of water of life in Christ Jesus by His Spirit that is birthed in us by the Father. Living Water and Spirit of Christ. What must we be born again of?

In Christ: Phillip

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Romans 12:1 And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice--the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him.

And so how do we "die daily” / "reckon ourselves dead”....?
Jesus gives us an excellent example;
Luke 22:42b "not my will, but thine, be done.”

So to be "born of God” = "God is a spirit” = "you must be born of the Spirit” = "born of the incorruptible seed/Word of God” = "Word is spirit and life” =
"he who receives the spirit, receives life” = "my words are life”

So the Word of God (both logos & remha) the Spirit of God and the eternal life (gift) of God are used interchangeably....

So being born "of”Christ/Word and to live "in” Christ/Word is to be conformed "to” Christ/Word ...

Re:
"Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
~~~~~~~~~~
.
Philip,..can we go over this Scripture just a little that you gave ?
......: and the life that I NOW live in the flesh I live by 'the faith'
of The Son of God,..."

But what was 'the faith' of God' Son, Jesus?
The faith of Jesus,as I see it was, ..through being full of 'grace' ,Jesus was intently listening to the voice of The Father, and obeying.( God' Devine effluence was great upon Him: (Grace)

Shouldn't we really need to look back at the Word 'faith' and see how it is used in The Word,.....God' true intention of that Word ?......to see if possibly time an tradition has really changed it's true meaning ?

And,..looking at Abraham's faith,...
He heard the voice of God, 'believed' God and, no matter how hard was that Word given to him,..he obeyed.

Re: you ask: ,
" What must we be born again of?"

1Pet.1:23,
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by 'The Word of God' , which liveth and abideth for ever."

We are called by His 'grace' ..and we come to Him,...

....and we are 'born again' of 'the water' and of 'The Spirit', God planted His Seed within us....The Spirit / Word of God.
That Seed, as we know, is a good Seed, ....Alive, it is planted in
this earth [ly] vessel, to come up and to grow, more of 'The like plant' ,which are formed after Christ' likeness. ( that is what it is meant to do)

Be assured, when I talk about 'Grace' ,I am not talking about 'the law',...looking at the written law,and going about to try to 'do' it,..

Rom.
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

....but it is the work that grace came to do in us....( The Devine influence
upon the heart, ...to let us know what the will of the Spirit of God wants us to do, and to provide the power / strength to obey)

****as Paul said,
Phil.3:10-11,
"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 'If by any means I might attain' unto 'the resurrection' of the dead."

I do hope this is helpful,🛐
I sometimes don't make myself very clear.

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elizabeth

Bro Fletcher,

I SO appreciate The Word...
Excellent!

The praises be to God-

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elizabeth

Elizabeth wrote this:

"""
But what was 'the faith' of God' Son, Jesus?
The faith of Jesus,as I see it was, ..through being full of 'grace' ,Jesus was intently listening to the voice of The Father, and obeying.( God' Devine effluence was great upon Him: (Grace)

Shouldn't we really need to look back at the Word 'faith' and see how it is used in The Word,.....God' true intention of that Word ?......to see if possibly time an tradition has really changed it's true meaning ?

And,..looking at Abraham's faith,...
He heard the voice of God, 'believed' God and, no matter how hard was that Word given to him,..he obeyed."""

What a great question. I have always wondered what the difference in Abrahams accounted righteousness and the "made righteous by the Faith of Christ".

Well here is what came to me in answer to your question.

Abraham believed God, It was accounted to him as righteousness.

The righteousness of God is now in me, by the Christ that is in me and He has been made my righteousness. Now God speaks to me by His Son that is in me. It is no longer my believing God, of which I do, but it is the Christ in me that makes me righteous. I have been made by the Christ that is in me; 1 Corinthians 1:3-10 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

It is now Christ in me that makes me righteous, it is not accounted to me for righteousness, but is made righteousness in me by God the Father.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Amen and Amen

My glory is now in Christ Jesus that is in me. Colossians 1:27-29 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

God now speaks to me through and by His Son that is in me.

Hebrews 1:2-3 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Accounted righteous

Made righteous. Wow!

Thank you Elizabeth. There is a difference in the faith of Abraham and the Faith of Christ in me.

In Christ: Phillip

Re: ..you said,..

"Abraham believed God, It was accounted to him as righteousness."

Dear bro.
Let us think about something,..
Abraham's faith / believing was accounted to him for righteousness....TRUE,....BECAUSE he obeyed God......His hearing God and obeying....did the will of God.

..Paul,..is he not a good example of ..'faith'...' believe' [d] ?

(He stands on trial before King Agrippa)
Act 26 ,
6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:
7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, 'that God should raise the dead?'.......

(me: I believe he is talking of resurrection Life)

9 ¶ I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to 'the name' of Jesus of Nazareth.

(me: contrary to 'the NAME' of Jesus,..and His Name is called,The Word of God)

(Jesus says to Paul,I am Jesus,and He tell Paul what He is sending him to do:.....)

18 "To open their eyes, and to turn them 'from darkness to light', and 'from' the power of Satan unto --------> God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are 'sanctified by faith' that is in me."

(Me: The Word is 'Light'....,the Seed that is planted within ,The Holy Spirit/Word)

19 ¶ Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they
should repent and 'turn to God' and 'do works meet' for repentance.

(Me: The Spirit of grace, is The enabler here,with it's Devine influence.)
(Me: turn around,( repent),
and 'turn to God'......God =Word / Spirit

Question: am I trying to show what I know?....NOT AT ALL !
I have nothing but what The Lord has shared w / me. ...it is not mind,..passing it on ,...trying to help, someone,somewhere.

.....actually Christ, and Him Crucified, .a death,...the cross,.....that there might be resurrection from the dead.

actually, like many, many other things, that I mentioned before,...Jesus' death and resurrection was another thing that He did in the flesh, that we are to do in the Spiritual.

Lovingly,always,
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elizabeth

"""Dear bro.
Let us think about something,..
Abraham's faith / believing was accounted to him for righteousness....TRUE,....BECAUSE he obeyed God......His hearing God and obeying....did the will of God."""

2 Corinthians 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Abraham was not made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. He knew nothing about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. He had only knowledge that there would be a Messiah come as king. The apostles did not know and even Paul did not know until God revealed His Son in him. Galatians 1:15-16 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, To reveal His Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

This is the mystery Paul writes about, "Which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" This mystery hid from the beginning until it was revealed to Paul, which is Christ in you the hope of glory, which Abraham did not have for Christ had not risen that the mystery might be accomplished and revealed.

Colossians 1:26-28 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

So again thank you that I now see I am "made" the righteousness of Christ by His Faith that is in me, by which I believe. Not because God Himself spoke to me of which must have been pretty powerful to Abraham of which I think I would have believed and obeyed also, Yet he was not made the righteousness of God by the mystery of; "that I might be made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus" Not just imputed or accounted as so, as Abrahams righteousness was.

Ephesians 1:4-12 According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,> ((The Mystery revealed; added for proof by me))

Philip,

I found and have started listening to this by Major Ian Thomas,...there are a series of 5,..

He REALLY ALABORATES about the 'resurrection Life' that we are discussing here....
Very interesting,..a blessing too.

"Rediscovering Christ" (1 of 5)
Major Ian Thomas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiuOogv2YZE&feature=share

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elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth

Good stuff. He said something that was loud and clear to me of what God intended from Gen to Rev; "Put God back in man", which was God' original intention from before the beginning; Ephesians 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (In Christ) Amen.

That is the mystery hidden from the beginning until it was revealed to Paul, "revealed His Son in me". Now to Paul for us to fulfill the whole Word of God. The greatest accomplishment of God for us; To put the Life of Jesus Christ the Son of God, born again in us, as Major Ian said, "Put God back in man".

As Paul says; "Christ in you the hope of Glory".

In Christ: Phillip