A new sign & wonder

In the back of a little gift shop in Dalton, Georgia there is a prayer room. For the past two years people have gathered there to pray for their city, region, and each other and intermittently oil has dripped from the walls. January 27th of this year one of those prayer warriors, Jerry, noticed his Bible was dripping with oil. Starting with Psalm 39 it spread over the next few days through the rest of the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the concordance. Then the oil started back in Genesis and spread till it covered the whole Bible.

When he realized the oil wasn’t going to stop, Jerry put the Bible in a ziploc bag at first, but as the oil continued, he had to size up to larger and larger containers. The bucket he now keeps it in continues to refill.

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https://shelemah.com/bible-dripping-oil/

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The Unsolved Mystery Of The Virgin Mary Crying Blood What causes the Virgin Mary Statue in California to cry blood tears?

People from everywhere wanted to see the statue that has become famous for weeping tears of blood The faithful people are calling it a miracle, while others are a bit skeptic. People have taken pictures and brought their families to see the weeping Virgin Mary in hopes of getting a glance at Virgin Mary Crying Blood. The statue is located in Sacramento at the Vietnamese Catholic Church. It was reported in 2005, that the miracle of the crying Virgin Mary was a blessing for all to see.

The tears of blood roll down her cheeks onto her robe. This statue is located outside the church and has become a part of history. The statue tests the faith of all who come to see it. Some believe that because of the state of the world has caused the Virgin Mary to weep tears of blood because of all the losses of life. Others believe that this was a mechanical achievement from parishioners. Many answers were needed before many would believe that this was indeed a miracle of faith.

For someone that has reservations about the weeping statue, it would be clearly obvious that the blood is flowing from the eyes when you look closely at the Virgin Mary. It does not appear that the statue has been touched in any way. Is it possible that the way the world is today has bought about another miracle to help people see what is wrong and how it affects the religious beliefs of many? Is it possible that this is a sign from God? Is this a sign that God wants the world to stop all the crime that has taken over? There are many stories about weeping icons that are seen as a miracle, but what does it mean?

Is this a sign from God that there is too much bloodshed? If you ask people who believe, they will tell you that they believe this is a sign that things have to change in the world. They will tell you that God wants love and peace in his world. If you ask people who do not believe, they will tell you that this is a new way to attract attention from the Catholic Church. No matter if you believe or not, one cannot mistake the tears of blood rolling down the Virgin Mary’s face.

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Mathew 12:38,39

Then certain of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet.

Mathew 16:4

An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of Jonah. And he left them, and departed.

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Real life story of an Indiana house haunted by 200 demons -

Speaking from Gary Police Department Headquarters, Captain Charles Austin has run every department from narcotics to homicide, gang intelligence to autodetail. He has taught 500 officers and received the department’s highest reward for his service. He doesn’t believe in the sort of ‘garbage’ he thought he was being fed in by the two women at Caroline Street in Gary two spring’s ago.

He said: ‘I was skeptical. I was leading the pack through the house. We walked in and the first thing we see is in the living room there’s a candle burning and a bible and a little altar with a crucifix ”“ same in every room in the house. There was a drawing on the refrigerator done by one of the boys that was Jesus on the cross but behind him there looked like demonic figures.’

There were similar drawings elsewhere he recalled. He sat as Latoya’s mother, Rose, told him how the Venetian blinds would get wet and appear to drip oil, that the basement door would open and close and that they heard a dog barking sometimes and scratching.

Department of Child Services, family case manager Samantha Illic was part of the group that visited the house on 10 May 2012 when officers recorded the scene and Campbell’s accounts of many strange and disturbing events.

During that visit Illic reached to touch a cabinet that appeared to be dripping clear oil. Both Capt. Austin and Father Maginot tell a similar tale.

According to the Capt: ‘She touched it with her pinky and her finger just went flush free of blood, it was white like it was dead. She was holding up her hand saying, her finger was numb and the side of her hand.’

Father Maginot described the seemingly spontaneous ‘wound’ or affect as like ‘a blister after a burn.’

He said: ‘Her whole finger had this grey, white colour ”“ a death colour. She wondered after if maybe there had been a bug that had bitten her but she didn’t see anything or feel anything.’

Fox News coverage - https://youtu.be/lGMbMMFoB7s

Jochb-

What do you think about the oil dripping Bible?

I remember a few years ago I attended a bible study and some of the women were all excited because they were noticing little gold sparkles like tiny glitter on their hands and on their Bible. It was a sign!!!

Not really- turns out makeup has these tiny specks that reflect the light and was being transferred from their face to their hands and Bible pages. I didn’t have the heart to tell them once I figured it out.

No matter how strange, no matter how unorthodox, no matter how big or how small, how mystical or straight-forward, every single sign or miracle in the Bible had/has an interpretible meaning. Even Revelation is interpretible, although some of it is unclear until it takes place.

"Signs" like this--completely uninterpretible. People will walk away "closer" to God, but really just more emotional, just more sensitive the their own perceptions of things, justifying the thought path that they've been on already. This happens because there is nothing clear about these things.

Somehow, we've gone absolutely insane and forgot what the word "signs" means. It is doesn't mean miracles, per se. It means something that points us to something else. What does a bloody-teared virigin Mary statue point us to? Not Jesus. It is demonic at worst or deceptive at best.

we met with a couple at a starbucks coffee some years back right before going to the Philippines for our evangelistic outreaches. When we were about midway through our time, we saw what looked like gems on the floor. There were 12 of them, one was a large pearl.

Well, I know it wasn't us who dropped gems under a starbucks table ( my wife enjoys jewelery but doesn't throw it on the floor)...and we got there a full 1/2 before our guest did.

In short we had one jewel for every day of the trip.

My wife took all the gems down to a professional gemologist, all of them were genuine precious or semi-precious stones and the pearl was real.

I am not a sign seeker in the slightest, I had already heard from God about the trip and my wife is not a sign seeker in anyway. The couple we met, we had only talk to shortly before hand...and they didn't know what table we were sitting at. They were as surprised as we were at this occurrence.

I am not here saying any bleeding statues or oily bibles are legit, Im only saying Ive experienced a 'gem' occurrence that seemed to be from God.

If it was not from God and was contrived from this other couple, they wasted their effort on people who put no stock in dropping gems, gold dust on Church floors ( I have seen this in a Church we visited) or other such phenomenon.

Brother TMK. Not much. It seems real, and is miraculous.

Thought it was an event that might lead to different lines of discussion.

Wanted to say - A new sign & wonder? But did not want to be skeptical.

Was getting weary of lines like - The Church of X has appointed a G/L/B/T Bishop etc. Or scripture proves flat earth .... And the much anticipated "Christmas" debate. :)

Thanks for asking.

PS. Knew I might get some feedback from Savannah :).

"PS. Knew I might get some feedback from Savannah :)."

You're not a prophet, are you?

You're middle name wouldn't happen to be Freddy, would it?

BTW - As I was typing this post, my fingers were slipping on the keyboard as a greasy substance formed upon the number 6 key and began spreading to the other keys in a backward direction.

And may all believers be separated in their hearts from any Roman Catholic Holy Days.

Savanna:
Freddy does not start with J....

"Thought it was an event that might lead to different lines of discussion."

Did not mean " Thought it was an event that might lead to different lines of insulting."

You are still funny. But you can be quite mean as well.

markuskiwi - try and focus on the good. There are some good comments on the link, and in the article. - the ads popping up are user specific ...

No wonder so few actually post on this forum ....

Dear Brother
You are off topic.
Maybe start a new thread?
Blessings

I'm going to go to general topics and start a thread on this topic

Unless I missed something, I didn't see the standard hocking of vials...these are free.
dunking clothes in the oil or other things to spread the 'holy items' out for more interest in getting attention.

I don't know what to make of it, I don't redflag any of the standard charlatan moves.

I know that the scripture gives occurrences of divine things that come out of left field.
1. The angel stirring the water, and who ever gets in first gets healed...
2. Elijah and the widow's cruse of oil that keeps on replenishing.
3. Peter's shadow passing over and you get healed.
4. Cloth from Paul that brings deliverance.

What I don't see that is most important to me is the purpose of the oil. But I haven't asked the Lord about it yet either.
These folks do seem genuine, I didn't pick up on any weirdness that usually accompanies this stuff.

Anyone have a differing opinion?

Blaine,

I posted both stories because I believe they're true. But I believe they're from the same source as the story in the OP.

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I will continue by answering the questions you pose;

"...do you believe that demons are real? Do you believe that Satan is real? Or do you believe he is a theological abstract?

Do you know how to deal with demonic manifestations when they occur?

Does anybody have the courage to address the above questions?"

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I believe demons are real. James 2:19
I believe satan is real. Mathew 4:10

Q. "Do you know how to deal with demonic manifestations when they occur?"
A. I have

Q. "Does anybody have the courage to address the above questions?"
A. I never much liked the game, "Truth or Dare", - - - -
--- but since I like you, I'll indulge you Bear. - - - -
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One of the most significant problems in judging this sort of thing where I don't catch any easy-to-spot chicanery, is I am not among the people there. They are having a revival, a healing crusade...it would be interesting to see and discern the spirit of the people.

Are they oil focused? Are they now becoming 'sign' seekers? Is holiness, prayer, knowledge of the cross and love for Jesus increasing? I do not mean an increase in doctrine preaching, I mean evidential spiritual fruit that comes from a genuine presence of God. That is what I would like to see.

Are there any conversions and what is the basis for them?
Who is getting the glory for any of this? Is it Jesus? Is it the right-place and right-time evangelist? Is it the oil? Is it the un-faded bible? Is it the church as a whole becoming 'noticeable' among other Churches?

Love believeth all things...
what are all things? Those things belonging to God which should be believed. Love does not believe chicanery because love rejoices in the truth. Love does not believe in distractions and attention getting because Love doesn't puff up.

It's important to love while discerning, so that love is not admixed with cynicism resulting in spiritual pride.
You understand what I mean, the spiritual pride that say..."Ha I wasn't fooled like you dummies"...but was fooled enough to think spiritual pride is less odious than being blown about by deceptions.

jochbaptist..No wonder so few actually post on this forum ....

Mr Bill: Since I have become a constant poster on this forum it maybe I am running folks off. Noted.
I will bail, for anyone wanting to post without my responses, you are free.

Thanks all for your interaction with me.

Your brother Marvin.

Marvin, for the record I was not blaming anyone. I was just speaking up for a few folks, that I have had the joy to speak with either on the phone or email, that has the same sentiments as I do. Marvin, please don't take it personal, but if you go back and review some of these type threads here, and see who gets involved in them, that should tell you something. There are many folks that want to be here and learn, but when you're teaching 12 grade classes to first graders, how can they possibly get involved. As I said I'm not calling any single person out, but is it possible to keep any threads simple here, so everyone that wants to can participate?

Yep Mr. Bear, I only had one cup today, but I'm about to go eat some BBQ, so I should be better shortly. :-)

MrBillPro,

The problem is that no one here knows specifically who you're talking about, so now everything (myself included) is wondering "is it me?" and then of course the enemy can jump all over that and draw a line of division between me and you, even if it isn't there.

It is a problem, though. We do debate the the ruin of the hearers a lot of times :(. Arguing isn't the 10th fruit of the spirit, no matter how I may feel sometimes.

I wasn't talking about a specific person, I was talking about the threads that are above most folks heads. But carry on, it's all good, I'm not going to be the Grinch, like Mr. Bear said, I missed my other two cups of coffee this morning.

Thank you for sharing this J Kruger. The testimonies I have listened to are very much like the oil and child like and sweet in nature.

Signs and wonders have not passed away as the Cessationists would have you to believe, but they are frequently mentioned in the Word of God and they are not without purpose.

The spiritual world is real. It is an unseen realm of angels, demons, and the great cloud of witnesses, and this realm at times will break in to the natural, physical realm.

It is good to go to the Word of God and see what it has to say about signs and wonders and to put them in the right context.

One of the main purposes of signs and wonders in the New Testament is that they were given by the Lord to confirm the preaching of the gospel.

Signs and wonders were also given as a testimony of Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God.

Many of the signs and wonders were in the form of healings, miracles, and deliverance of those that were oppressed by demons.

We see signs and wonders occurring with frequency in third world countries to bring multitudes of people to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Signs and wonders should accompany believers as seen in Mark 16: 17, 18.

The enemy can also produce lying signs and wonders and the difference is that true signs and wonders will always testify of Jesus and the Word of God, and the false signs and wonders become an end in themselves, and men that will seek them will be drawn away from the Lord, and often the focus and attention will be on some man or woman in whom the signs and wonders are being manifested.

Mark 16:19-20, KJV So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.

Hebrews 2:3-4 How shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

John 2:11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

Acts 3:6-10; 4:4 Then Peter said, "Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.” Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man’s feet and ankles became strong. He jumped to his feet and began to walk. Then he went with them into the temple courts, walking and jumping, and praising God. When all the people saw him walking and praising God, they recognized him as the same man who used to sit begging at the temple gate called Beautiful, and they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him... [4:] But many who heard the message believed; so the number of men who believed grew to about five thousand.

Acts 5:12-16 The apostles performed many signs and wonders among the people. And all the believers used to meet together in Solomon’s Colonnade. No one else dared join them, even though they were highly regarded by the people. Nevertheless, more and more men and women believed in the Lord and were added to their number. As a result, people brought the sick into the streets and laid them on beds and mats so that at least Peter’s shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by. Crowds gathered also from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing their sick and those tormented by impure spirits, and all of them were healed.

Acts 8:5-7, 9, 13 Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Messiah there. When the crowds heard Philip and saw the signs he performed, they all paid close attention to what he said. For with shrieks, impure spirits came out of many, and many who were paralyzed or lame were healed... [9] Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great.... [13] Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw.

1 Corinthians 2:4-5 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

Mark 16:17-18 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.

Amen brother Mike well said. With every genuine move of God there is a counterfeit yet the counterfeit will never negate the genuine which is the agenda of the cessationist.

The testimony of how all this began was with two women who decided to start a prayer group in a little store in Georgia. They would have about 8 - 15 or so show up. Now they are having over 200 show up.

The testimonies are genuine and documented. The oil is going forth and renewing faith and revival outside the walls of the little store and the church that they are affiliated with.

We were praying earlier this year and believe that 2017 was going to be a special year, an acceptable year of the Lord. This all began in January.

To God be the glory!

But why oil? Has it been tested? Is it an unknown heavenly concoction or is it olive oil or crisco that can be purchased at the market? While would oil start streaming out of walls and Bibles? It is not inappropriate to ask such questions.

When feathers allegedly began falling at Bethel church in Redding none to my knowledge were ever analyzed or allowed to be analyzed. Wonder why that was? The same goes for the alleged gold dust.

Hey Todd:

Well, oil does have a tremendous amount of significance in scripture. Anointing with oil for example. I have to be careful here as I don’t want to go to seed on this like some people do with events like this.

When I first heard the story I truly took it with a grain of salt but the Lord woke me the last two mornings at 3:00 and then this morning at 2:00 with no idea or desire to look into this story any further whatsoever. However it was dropped in my spirit to listen to some of the testimonies. I cannot explain it but I cannot deny it, I have no red flags and the testimonies, well, I bear witness with them.

If this is not of God Todd, it will come to nought, but one thing you cannot deny this far are all the documented healings, deliverances, renewal of faith, etc.

They stress and continue to stress, it’s not the oil, or about the oil it’s about God and what God wants to do through the oil. They have given away over 90k vials of oil so in a sense the oil and the anointing are going outside of their church building and touching people in other cities, states, churches, and even their own homes.

And in answer to your question yes the oil was tested and it was read in one of the videos but the oil has the characteristics of mineral oil but yet characteristics outside of mineral of an unknown origin.

One striking thing about this all is these are simple folks. They are not from a big church, ministry, or some well known man or minister.

I thought about what Savanah said and being an ex catholic I am no stranger to demonic manifestations and apparitions. But this is not an idol or statue, it is the word of God.

All I can say for me, I am already sold on Christ. You don’t need to convince me any further, I am ready to die for what I have believed and followed over half my life.

But, I will not deny I could use a touch in my body and will never turn my nose up to be encouraged and edified in my walk. As I receive blessing my only desire is to share that blessing with others, I think that is natural for all of us. As we freely receive we freely give. I just don’t see what is happening here any different.

The Lord has quickened many scriptures to me regarding this above and beyond what Mike has shared. I don’t know about others but I long to see revival in the hearts of men both inside and outside the church. If this happens to be the vehicle God chooses to use, who am I to fight against it?

David I appreciate your encouraging words.