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Are America's Days Numbered???

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sermonindex

I am presently 66 years old. I grew up in the cold war with duck and drill. In the 1960s the closest the United States ever came to nuclear war was the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Today observers are saying that we are more closer to nuclear war than even in the 1960's. Our relations with Russia are at an all-time low. The President is threatening retaliatory punitive measures against Syria for the recent chemical attack. The Russians are threatening retaliatory punative measures against the US should we launch a military strike against Syria. Some are saying this could bring us into a possible military confrontation with Russia. Such a confrontation that could conceivably go nuclear.

I came across an interesting video where a brother had a prophecy of the nuclear destruction of America by Russia. The brother's name is Henry Gruver. He received his prophesy from God back in 1985. The brother appears to be solid. As far as I know he has not made a name for himself or capitalized on his prophecy.

In the video the brother is interviewed by Steve Quayle. I realize there may be some in the forum that might have issues with this video. But I believe it should be listened to with discernment. Given the times that we are living in.

Be aware there is about a 10 or 15 minutes segment in the video where Steve Quayle is pushing his book about Antarctica. You can fast-forward through that part of the video to get to the interview that continues with Henry Gruver.

Link is below. Video is about 45 minutes part 1. I will post part 2 when I listen to it.

https://youtu.be/TZ90M6CzSLg

Blaine

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savannah

What specific end time prophecy are you referring to???

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MrBillPro

What! and I've thought for years the end times were already here, if there not, please name me something that hasn't occurred yet, except for the rapture and Jesus coming back.

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sermonindex

Part 2 of Henry Gruver video. Very sobering. Interview by Steve Quayle with Henry Gruver was conducted in 2016. Relations with Russia have deteriorated since 2016. Particularly in light of recent events in Syria. I mean events like within the last week.

Not saying I agree with everything in the videos. But this brother's prophetic visions couldn't be more right on in light of current events.

Blaine

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sermonindex

/// What! and I've thought for years the end times were already here, if there not, please name me something that hasn't occurred yet, except for the rapture and Jesus coming back. ///

Ezekiel 38 and 39 have not occurred yet. Isaiah 17:1 has not occurred yet.

Blaine

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savannah

Mr. Bill

From one simple man to another simple man with one simple question.

Would you please simply point me to the simple place in the Bible where I can find America.

Thanks Mr Bill.

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MrBillPro

Mr. Ray, I’m a simple man, please don’t ask me to do the impossible. :-)
Only God knows why He did not mention America in the Bible. Still, we must ask, "Why should America be mentioned in the Bible?"

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sermonindex

Bill who is Mr. Ray? Surely you should know who I am after all these years.

Blaine

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MrBillPro

Mr. Bear asked who is Mr. Ray.

Mr. Bear, it’s not you, and it’s not me, so I’ll give you two guesses, and the first one doesn’t count. :-)

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sermonindex

Well Mr. Bill tell Mr. Ray that it is time that we all duck-and-cover and pray. Because the war drums are getting louder and louder.

Mr. Blaine

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savannah

Hey Blaine,

I'm no duck, I'm covered by Christ, and pray without ceasing.

I'm already in the war. Have been for many years. I'm on the frontlines taking hits left and right.


I tell you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear the One who, after you have been killed, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him!
- Jesus

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MrBillPro

Mr. Blaine, are you a prophet? Just asking.

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amajesticone

Henry Gruver. Wow. I had never heard of this "prayer/walker" until my daughter invited me to the "Hear The Watchmen" Conference in Dallas TX last month. 17 speakers that were each given abou 90 minutes to share. Henry was given the Saturday evening spot and spoke for 3 and 1/2 hours; until he was slipped a piece of paper at 11:00 to end the night. He would have kept talking and people would have kept listening. I don't recall him talking about prophecy that night but testified of Jesus continually. He has much to say to the Body of Christ. Many youtubes available. I am thankful to the Lord for bringjng him into my life as a source of encouragement and edification.
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Mary

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MrBillPro

This is what Billy Graham had to say:

Q. Why do some people get all wrapped up in trying to predict the end of the world? We've always experienced wars and natural disasters, and we always will. All those prophecies about the end of the world are just nonsense, in my opinion.

A. You’re right””up to a point. Throughout history some people have claimed to know exactly when the world was going to come to an end””and they were clearly wrong. Jesus said, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Matthew 24:36).

But there is one prophecy about the future that I urge you not to ignore or dismiss as nonsense””and that is the one spoken by Jesus. Jesus warned that someday this world as we know it will come to an end””not because of a war or natural disaster, but because God will intervene and bring it to an end. The future is in God’s hands, and He alone will bring an end to the world.

And when He does, all the evils of this world will be destroyed and Jesus Christ will come again to rule over a new world in perfect peace and justice. We can barely imagine this, but it gives us hope for a better world. As the Bible says, "In keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness” (2 Peter 3:13).

Don’t worry about those who falsely claim to know when the world will come to an end. Instead, put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ. He alone gives us hope for the future and strength for our lives right now. Make Him the foundation of your life””beginning today.

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docs

We may not know the day or hour when He is coming but we can know for certain regarding specific events that must occur before He comes.

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MrBillPro

Let's assume for a moment that these are the end times. What then? How should a Christian respond? Fortunately, the apostle Peter gives us a straightforward answer to this question. Writing specifically with reference to the end of the age, when "the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat, and both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up," Peter does not suggest that believers head for the hills, adopt a "fortress mentality," and start stockpiling food and weapons. Instead, he asks, "Since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?" (II Peter 3:10-12).

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docs

Why should valuing prophecy and it's meaning be automatically associated with a stock pile food and head for the hills mentality? It goes way beyond that in my opinion.Im not sure at all it isiblical to frown upon the endeavor to understand eschatological prophecy as a waste of time. The one thing the Bible do does not paint is the picture of the church groping blindly along (don't worry about the details just be ready) during the events of the end.

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sermonindex

Mark 13:5-8  

While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives across from the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately, "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?" Jesus told them, "Watch out that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name, saying, 'I am he,' and they will deceive many. When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, don't be alarmed; these things must take place, but it is not yet the end.  For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.

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No one, myself included, is predicting the day or the hour when the Lord will return. But Jesus did equate signs that  precede his return to birth pangs. The  thing about birth pangs that any mother will tell you is that they do increase in frequency when a child is about to be born.

The signs that precedr the return of the Lord would certainly indicate that we are in the season. The season of when he can return at any moment. Thus we need to be alert and ready for when he comes.

Consistently through the gospels and in the letters of the Apostles we are admonished to be vigilant. To be about the business of the King. For he will soon come at an hour when we do not expect.

One of the signs or birth pangs that surely precede the return of Jesus will be wars and rumors of wars. Right now the United States and Russia are rattling their nuclear sabres over what could be a confrontation in Syria.  A confrontation that could surely bring us to nuclear war.

For sure all of this is prophesied. And God will surely bring it about for his glory and assume return of Jesus.

The question to all of us is are we going to go deeper in Jesus.  Are we going to speak to others about their need of him. Or get hung up on needless debates such as the election where theologians have not come to a resolution after 500 years of debate.

Even if we saw the destruction of Damascus which Isaiah 17 predicts. I'm sure the debates on the election will still continue. Even after the nuclear explosions are occurring.

At this point all I can say is God have mercy on us.

Posted in reasonable sobriety.

Blaine 

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MrBillPro

Brother David asked...Why should valuing prophecy and it's meaning be automatically associated with a stock pile good and head for the hills mentality?

David, valuing prophecy should not always have to be associated with the run for the hills mentality, but if you study "most" all hard core "it's the end of the world" people, this is their mentality. Here's my mentality, "we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord".
2 Corinthians 5:8

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savannah

"...we can know for certain regarding specific events that must occur before He comes."

Would one of those specific events we can know for certain be Russia attacking/destroying America?

Would you please furnish some of the specific prophecies in the Word of God we can know for certain apply to each of the specific events noted for our specific day and time in 2018 or thereafter?

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MrBillPro

Mr. Ray...Would you please furnish some of the specific prophecies in the Word of God we can know for certain apply to each of the specific events noted for our specific day and time in 2018 or thereafter?

Mr. Bill is not prophet, but his crystal ball says...It will be the end if trump launches that missile!

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sermonindex

Hmmm. Me hearum wardrums. War drums say wars and rumors of wars. ☺

Actually I think I read that earlier this morning my Bible.

Mr. Bill asked if I'm a prophet. No I just simply read my Bible and try to put the pieces together. Can't say I'm always correct in doing that.

But we are admonished to watch and pray.

Blaine

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sermonindex

Link to YouTube video from Jewish brother. He lives in the Middle East and gives eyewitness insights of what is taking place in that region period videos very thought-provoking.

https://youtu.be/04Q-0uieMRg

Blaine

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MrBillPro

Mr. Bear, you should turn off Rick Wiles and turn on the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit has the "REAL” true news. :-)

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sermonindex

Mr. Bill I thought the brother's name was Amir Tsarfati. Not Rick Wiles. Nearest I discern this brother is turned on to the Holy Spirit. He probably has a better understanding of what's happening in the Middle East and we in America do behind our keyboards. That's why I find his information to be most informative.

Blaine

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MrBillPro

Bear, I listened to Amir Tsarfati, personally I think he is probably right on a few things, but I also think because of some of the things he say's, he might be another conspiracy theorist, he all over that place with some of his thoughts.

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TMK

here's one of the comments to these posts to get the tenor of the types paying heed to these "commentators:"

"Brother Steve, This makes me Sad! These foolish Leaders: Try as they might, the Nibiru System is still visible, despite the Chemtrails, and Artificial Sun & Moon. They want to hide that there Will be a Rapture Event, Planet X, and visibility of the sky for signs & Wonders!
With all these Chemtrails and light altering sources, they all know that the Christians already know what's to come. NEXT comes wholesale Death, destruction, and just as Albert Pike wrote: a Third World War; to reduce significant;y, that civilian Population, and then seeing the Horror of Death;, look for a "New World Order"!
I see things via the light of Jesus Christ, does the Vatican really believe that they are more powerful than Yeshua or ABBA-Father? Don't they know that the end was written from the Beginning? The Lord is about to show himself very soon! Even if the Christians are wiped out.!
I pray for the Men, Women and Children of Syria! ALL of them, many Jews, Muslims and, of course, Christians will be piled high! That's call "Collateral Damage".

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MrBillPro

I may be way off here, so for the record this is just my own personal opinion, but I don’t believe that Trump or Putin are interested in any new world order. This is just the way I see it, from what little I read and listen to.

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sermonindex

What does the Bible say about this?

What does God think?

Is America to be the only nation till the end of the world not conquered? Must America be "great" till the coming of Jesus?

Let's see what the Scriptures say?

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MrBillPro

Brother Greg, I would love to see or hear what scripture says about America, please post any scripture/scriptures you can find. I personally just cannot find anything, or maybe it’s listed in one of those scriptures I don’t understand.

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TMK

We could just sit back for a few days and see what happens. I suspect not much.

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Gloryandgrace

Hi Brother Blaine:

Seriously, why trivialize everything that seems like a minor point to you?

"The question to all of us is are we going to go deeper in Jesus. Are we going to speak to others about their need of him. Or get hung up on needless debates such as the election where theologians have not come to a resolution after 500 years of debate.

Even if we saw the destruction of Damascus which Isaiah 17 predicts. I'm sure the debates on the election will still continue. Even after the nuclear explosions are occurring.

At this point all I can say is God have mercy on us."

This, event, and the prophecies in the scriptures and pre-mid-post trib have been hotly debated for 40 years now, because it wasn't the topic at the time, will you trivialize that as well if this all blows over?

Maybe after the big BOOM and you stand before Christ to give account of our life and he asks you; What did you do before the bomb? You get to say, I treated any subject that I was not personally invested in as a light thing. They did too much arguing...Maybe, just maybe the Lord might say
"Did I tell you what they were doing was unimportant to me?" Or did you assume it?

But, at the very least you will get a chance to meet me, and know I was nothing like the ogre-mean-argumentative-monster that should go away. I loved the Lord with all my heart, I sought the Lord in simplicity, I rejoiced in God's mercies every day, I didn't seek to complicate the faith, I sought to live out my faith which is far deeper, and far greater than 'simple' allowed me. But who cares what's important now is nuclear threat and Christian death camps. I'm sure without debate that will be a joyful celebration of Christian encouragement?

Isnt it strange so many countries in the world have been ravaged and burnt to the ground...and no one was looking for that country in the bible? Why not? Because it was not our skin that was going to be burnt.
American Christians seem to presuppose that if America goes down the tubes, nothing less that a full rapture and judgment on the world would be required if any of us die.

Don't you ever wonder about our self-importance and how that seems to thrust forward all prophecy into the next few weeks?

Posted in reasonable sobriety.

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sermonindex

There is always a danger when one speaks of the return or shall I say the soon return of Jesus of being labeled a fool. Or being labeled a fear monger. Or being labeled conspiratorial. Or being labeled feel in the______

For I'm guilty as charged.

For I do believe in assume return of Jesus. I believe the signs as given in the gospel accounts are increasing in greater frequency.

Even if this event in Syria does blow over. And in a way I will pray it does. The signs will still continue to increase in frequency. If it not be this crisis there will be another crisis that will precipitate the soon return of Jesus.

Blaine

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MrBillPro

Bear said..."Even if this event in Syria does blow over. And in a way I will pray it does".

In a way you pray it does? In every way I pray it does, no one wants thousands of lives lost to a knee jerk moment. I do believe there is a strategy being prepared, were less lives will be lost, of course even one life is to many. Bear, if it's any consolation, every forum needs their own conspiracy theorist, it keeps folks thinking, I personally thank you. :-)

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sermonindex

Bill I was not the one that launched chemical attacks on my own people. You talk of people dying. It was Bashar Assad that launched the chemical attacks. Or at least that's what the preliminary evidence indicates

This is the person that President Trump is holding accountable for his actions. This is the person that Russia and Iran are defending.

The President must carefully weigh his actions. For any action against Bashir Assad could very well bring us into conflict with Iran and Russia.

Yes we want this situation to blow over and God's will to be done. But for sure if Assad is not held accountable for his actions that he will surely launch more chemical attacks on his own people.

In a way it's durned if you do and durned if you don't. Whatever President Trump decides to do people may very well die. May Gid give him wiadom.

Blaine

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MrBillPro

Well, I guess what matters the most is, that we can all still love each other in the mist of our many disagreements.

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Elibeth

A Word of comfort,.. for us all,

Isa.26:3,
"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee."

1Jn.4:18,
"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

We know that Steven had to go through some tough things, but wouldn’t we believe that Steven had ‘perfect love’ ? He saw his hope even before he died,... (he saw Jesus sitting on the right hand of God )

( Steven went through this for the sake of The Lord)

I would think that Steven’s ‘perfect love’ ,and ours is to,..
Love The Lord "our God”(but who is God, but The Spirit/Word,) with ALL our heart, with ALL of soul, with ALL our minds, with ALL strength,.

That is the only way that I see,..Or believe, that we can have complet peace,... completely cast upon The Lord ,.. and fully TRUSTING Him.

Lovingly always,❤️
””””””””””””
elizabeth

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sermonindex

Sister,

Elizabeth, thank you for sharing those scriptures, that is the place we must look to for all current events in the world or we will lose heart.

Or we will look at each other and bite and devour.

I think enough has been shared on the thread, let us pray for each other to stand strong in the days ahead no matter what comes, Jesus is our hiding place our rock of refuge.

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