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Does the American Church Show a Concern for its Global Persecuted Brethren?

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Though dated. This article from Voice of the Martyrs speaks volumes about the church today. Rather I should say speaks volumes about the lack of concern the American church shows for our persecuted brethren.

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September 09, 2013

Do Americans Care About Persecuted Christians?

VOM’s Todd Nettleton was interviewed last week by Mission Network News about the question of why more attention isn’t paid””in the media and in American churches””to the persecution of our Christian brothers and sisters. Here’s the resulting story from MNN:

International (MNN) ”” The Church is under fire. At that sentence, half the people who started reading this article just moved on to something more interesting.

However, that response is troublesome. The plight of believers gets little attention on the global stage, leaving many Christians throughout North America unaware, and therefore, indifferent to what’s going on in the body of Christ.

Mention persecution, and eyes glaze over. Silence continues because not enough church leaders are talking about it from the pulpit. Despite Barna Research stating the opposite, there’s a movement in North America where church leaders and pastors say their flocks don’t want to hear such negative and depressing things.

That’s despite the following:

Al Qaeda vows to slaughter Christians after the U.S. ‘liberates’ Syria. Nigeria’s Boko Haram has slaughtered 3,000 Christians since they began waging war. Egypt’s Coptic Church is under fire. A Church official there says after the recent violence that destroyed over 72 churches, there are just 57 Christian churches in the entire country, down from more than 300 as recently as 2003. The Barnabas Fund, a ministry to the persecuted Church, is airlifting Christians out of Sudan. So far, they’ve evacuated more than 5,000 Christians from northern Sudan. In Pakistan, believers are still trying to put their lives back together after 3,000 angry Muslims torched the Joseph Colony six months ago. That’s only part of the Middle East and North Africa. Asia is also on the list. North Korea is trying to erase Christians, and has been atop the Open Doors World Watch List for 11 years as the world’s worst persecutor of Christians. There’s ‘religicide’ going on in Burma, and in parts of India.

And still, there’s relative silence from North America. There are a few who have been speaking out as loudly as they can, but the overall impassive response to the worldwide persecuted church begs the question: do we care? Todd Nettleton, a spokesman for the Voice of the Martyrs USA says, "I think the question arises because we look around the world. we see more than 60 countries where Christians face some form of harassment or persecution, and you look at the average response of the average American Christian which is basically, ‘Man, that’s too bad.’”

A defensive response is also common. But here too, Nettleton asks, "If we care, how is that being lived out? How are we SHOWING that we care? Not based on clicking the ‘like’ button on a Facebook page, but how are we showing that we care in action that is designed to produce a result or some easing if the suffering of our Christian brothers and sisters?” He goes on to explain, "How we show we care is by being involved, by connecting with these Christians who are suffering. The first line of doing that really is knowing them: knowing their names, knowing their situations, knowing the countries that they live in so that we can pray effectively.”

Nettleton is also quick to note that the issue has gotten more traction as awareness of social justice issues has risen. "More people know about the persecuted church now than did 15 or 20 years ago. I think the International Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church, which is coming up in November, has been a significant part of making the American church aware of what’s happening with persecuted Christians.”

But there’s still a long way to go, he concedes. "One of the challenges is Americans are pretty home-focused. Our media covers things that are happening in America. In a 30-minute news program, we might get two minutes of what’s going on around the world.”

Another aspect is understanding the spiritual and biblical component of persecution. "These are not just statistics or people who live 10-thousand miles from here. This is our family. These are our brothers and sisters.” He points out his own two brothers. If they were to be arrested and face the scenarios faced by Christians in Eritrea, for example, he would be making noise about their plight. The same should be true of the body of Christ. "I should be aware of what’s happening with them, and when they’re being persecuted and oppressed, I should be speaking out on their behalf. I should be letting people know that it is happening and doing whatever I can within my power to make it stop happening.”

When believers put real faces, names and places to the stories, the bigger picture becomes clearer. Nettleton explains, "It’s not presented as ‘this is what the Bible said was going to happen. This is what Jesus said ‘if you follow me, the world will hate you’. This is happening all around the world. Followers of Christ are being hated because they’re followers of Jesus Christ.”

Sometimes Americans avoid the discussion of the persecuted church because the news is discouraging. It’s hard to hear and yet feel helpless about changing anything. However, Nettleton breaks response down to its most simple elements. "You start by praying. you educate yourself, an then, whatever God lays on your heart as a response, you keep saying ‘yes’ to that and keep responding to that. You will find that you will enter into the ‘fellowship of suffering’.”

The what? Nettleton explains that when people invest in taking on the troubles facing believers worldwide, they begin to understand the God who provokes such a response. As a result, "The persecuted church is strengthened because we can encourage them, we can stand with them, and we can be a voice for them. But we’re strengthened as well because we see their faithfulness, and we see God’s faithfulness to them. And our faith is encouraged and challenged, and we find that we grow spiritually, as well.”

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I think the situation has changed very little. If anything there's more apathy shown regarding the persecuted.

Many American believers are not aware of the name of Andrew Brunson. A pastor missionary who is in prison for his faith in Turkey.

Many American believers are not aware of the name of Leah Sharibu. A young woman who just turned 15 years old today. A young woman who refused to deny her faith in Jesus to the Boko Haram. And when a deal was negotiated by the Nigerian president to release the Muslim women she was kidnapped with. She was not allowed to be released. No one knows if she is still alive or if she has been violated. The tragedy is most American beluevers do not even know who this young woman is.

Many believers have never heard the name of Asia Bibi. A mother who has been imprisoned in Pakistan for nine years because of her testimony of Jesus Christ. She could very well be the first woman that Pakistan executes for her faith in Christ.

Many American believers are not even aware of the 2000 brothers and sisters who are imprisoned for their faith in Jesus Christ in Eritrea.

Many American believers are not aware of the tens of thousands of brothers and sisters who are imprisoned in their faith in the death camps of North Korea.

And I could go on. It has been told to my face at the persecuted church is a myth. It has been told to my face that the persecuted church is merely a narrative. Perhaps even believe by some in this forum. A forum member insinuated today that the persecuted church is merely a narrative.

There are precious few who do stand in the gap for our persecuted brethren. They will be blessed. But for the most part most American believers remain silent.

Doctor Martin Luther King said that we will know our friends by their silence. Will our persecuted brethren know us by our silence. And again this is our spiritual family. A family that we choose to ignore. Even in this forum.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer said that silence in the face of evil is evil itself. God will not hold us guiltless. To not speak is to speak. To not act is to act.

I suspect at some point I will be banned from this forum because I speak out for the persecuted. But someone has to raise their voice on their behalf. Somebody has to raise their prayers on their behalf. Because what I see coming from this forum and the American church is basically silence.

All I can say is God have mercy on us if we fail to speak out for his bride who is in the shadow of the cross.

Blaine

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Most Americans don't care about the persecuted church because they are drunk on entertainment. When persecution for faith in Jesus Christ hits North America with full force there will be a huge outcry in the church. Many nominal Christians will cave into whatever demands are made of them (I already see so many rainbow flags hung across the doorways of many NYC churches, indicating their embrace of homosexual sin).

I doubt you would be run off the forum unless you began making direct accusations against the moderators or other members).

I have followed your posts on Andrew Brunson in Turkey & pray for his release as well. Only time will tell if he is to obtain a martyr's crown or not.

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Gloryandgrace

Brother Blaine: you posted the youtube of Millenial Church hunters...a cute parody of modern American Christianity...that we all laugh at because it hits us right where we live.

If we parody ourselves in this light...could there be any possibility for seriousness regarding those suffering for their Christianity? I hardly think so.

No, the carnal mind has no room for a Christianity that is reproachful to it, the best tactic is to ignore it.

But what is the answer? What do we more than complain? There are a hundred more deficiencies that can be exposed and guilt painted in blood red upon all of us to some degree. Solutions would be better than guilt.

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TMK

Generally a person should feel guilty when something is their fault and they know it.

I know that Bear’s heart is in the right place and that he does have a burden for the persecuted church.

But whose fault is it that there are those persecuted for their beliefs? How is it the fault of those who are not currently under persecution?

If I was under strong persecution here in the US, I certainly would not want my brothers and sisters in non- persecuted areas to feel guilty about it. It’s not their fault.

Encouraging folks to pray is one thing; laying a guilt trip on them they do not deserve is another.

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MrBillPro

Gloryandgrace....But what is the answer? What do we do more than complain? There are a hundred more deficiencies that can be exposed and guilt painted in blood red upon all of us to some degree. Solutions would be better than guilt.
And there's your answer! I guess, Marvin, Todd and Bill took the bait, but I know Bear couldn't take his eyes off the monitor until someone did, you can relax now Mr. Bear. :-)

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StirItUp

Brother Blaine,

I do appreciate your reminders and understand your deep concern.

Most of us are still very comfortable and safe so do not really grasp the reality...and are quite happy for it to remain that way.

What we must know and appreciate is that Jesus identifies Himself with their suffering, just like He said to Saul en route to Damascus: Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?

May the Lord give us all a similar insight and heart of compassion that we may, at the very least, lift up our brethren in earnest prayer.

God bless,

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TMK

//and are quite happy for it to remain that way.//

Yes, I generally am not in favor of the torture and killing of loved ones, but maybe that’s just me.

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Gloryandgrace


Lest someone get the wrong impression, that I think Brother Blaine is simply guilting us about the persecuted Church, I am not suggesting that at all...though my post addressed guilt. I am addressing the fact that we can all see deficiencies in so many areas and none of them is without significance and importance. However, I know Jesus takes us forward with renewed passion, compassion, joyfulness when we see his love for us is deeper and greater than we ever expected.

Our intimate closeness to Christ in prayer and our daily walk is that place and time where Jesus communicates his own heart to us. His desires become our desires, His will becomes our will. This same thing is necessary for evangelism and concern for the lost...who are surely hell-bound where they will suffer eternally, not for a short time though the flesh may suffer greatly.

But so many have no concern for the lost, nor the persecuted brother; I believe this is because their heart has been distracted by worldly things and worldly endeavors.
I know of no other way to pull a man off the world, than showing him that a close association with Jesus is a genuine flow of the kingdom of God to me and through me. If I cannot validate that life flow of Jesus, I do not believe I am able to persuade men to leave behind their worldly things and endeavors.

The answer may be a direct subscription to VOM magazine, ( I am a subscriber, reader and prayer for the persecuted Church) but I am persuaded I have that interest because it is Christ-revealed interest and compassion, not because I see the need ( though it be great ) or because they need help in financial ways ( though that does great good) but because it is born of God in me.

I believe any endeavor for kingdom purposes must be at the heart a God-revealed passion.

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StirItUp

Amen Marvin

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Hi Todd,

Of course we will be happy if this kind of persecution does not come our way :) but I was referring to us preferring to remain oblivious or unconscious of the persecution suffered by our brothers and sisters across the globe.

I, by the way, am as guilty of it as anyone else.

There is a definite disconnect between the comfortable Christians of the West and the persecuted of the Middle East and East

I most certainly do not want this kind of persecution coming our way although it seems to be headed in that direction and could happen sooner than later as our laws are changed to suit the humanist agenda.

If and when we begin to stand up and continue to stand for the Word of God in a ever increasing antagonistic world we need to be prepared for the worst and start living every day under the shadow of the cross, as Blaine puts it.

Being prepared to die for our faith does not mean we lose our joy in Jesus.

God bless,

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TMK

Hi William-

I agree with what you have written. We can have confidence that God will give grace as the need arises, thank goodness.

I agree there is disconnect and I like being reminded, as long as there is not an added side note of guilt or condemnation. Just the facts of what is happening should suffice. Like Marvin said, the HS will then guide our response.

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AbideinHim

"Our intimate closeness to Christ in prayer and our daily walk is that place and time where Jesus communicates his own heart to us. His desires become our desires, His will becomes our will. This same thing is necessary for evangelism and concern for the lost...who are surely hell-bound where they will suffer eternally, not for a short time though the flesh may suffer greatly."

I agree Brother Marvin. We can't force another believer to have a burden for the persecuted Church, but it is through close intimacy with Jesus Christ that we will be grieved and pray for what is on His heart. There will be some that are in close communion with the Lord, that will have this burden just as Brother Blaine does to pray and intercede for the persecuted church.

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Todd writes......
/// Encouraging folks to pray is one thing; laying a guilt trip on them they do not deserve is another. ///

This accusation is often thrown against those who work in persecution ministries.  They are accused of putting people on a guilt trip when they speak to a silent American church.  To a silent American church who shows very little concern for our persecuted brothers and sisters in the shadow of the cross.

Is the issue guilt. Or is the issue the conviction of God. Is the issue the conviction of God knowing that the American evangemicals are not following the Second Great Commandment. Which is love of neighbor.

When one of the religious leaders asked Jesus who is my neighbor. Jesus responded by telling the story of the Good Samaritan. Many of us know this story. There was a man who was robbed and left for half dead on the side of the road. He was passed by the priest and a levite. They passed by on the other side of the road. They did not want to look at his suffering.

It was a good-for-nothing Samaritan who had the most flakiest of thelogies. This Samaritan came and ministered love to this man who is left for half dead.  Jesus commanded the good Samaritan not for his theology. But for the fact that he had practiced and carried out the Second Great commandment which was love of neighbor.

While the priest in the Levite passed by on the other side and we're more concerned about their theology. The Good Samaritan who had flaky theology was actually practicing the law of love. He was commended by Jesus. What will Jesus say to the priest and levite. How will they be judged.

I think the story of the Good Samaritan illustrates the response of the American evangelicals to our persecuted brothers and sisters.  The American Evangelical Church is more concerned about doctrine. their growth, materialism, conservative politics, and fill in the_______

Perhaps we need to go back and take a look at the last part of Matthew 25. The sheep and the goats. How did Jesus judge the sheep from the goats. They were not judged on their Calvinistic doctrine. They were not judge by what translation of the scriptures they used.  They were not judged by signs and wonders. They were not judged by whether they held a revival conference or not.  The sheep and the goats were judged by did they practice the law of love? Specifically the Second Great commandment.

Ministering to those who were hungry. thirsty, showing hospitality to the stranger, clothing the naked, and taking care of the sick and those in prison. This is the law of love. This is the second great commandment.

But notice what Jesus says in the last part of his Olivet discourse period in the last part of Matthew 25.  If you did it to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine.

Wasn't Jesus talking about his persecuted bride? Wasn't Jesus talking about those who are in the shadow of the cross? Where are you going to find those who need to be taken in to a safehouse?  Where are you going to find those who need clothing? Where are you going to find those who need food? Where are you going to find those who are sick. Those who are called the brothers and sisters of Jesus? Is it not those who are in the shadow of the cross?

Granted we can't go directly to cannot go directly to a nation such as North Korea, Syria, Eritrea, or other restricted, or other restricted nations.  But there are Christ centered ministries who are working in those nations that we can give to. If we would bother to do the research.

But what about prayer, Many times the cry of our brothers and sisters is pray for us.  And their plea us not pray we be taken out of the persecution. Many times their heart cry is pray that we will be faithful and endure the persecutions that we are in. Are we so cold that we can't take a few minutes and lift our brothers and sisters up in prayer.

I was not allowed to post the 24 hour prayer call crying out for Andrew Brunson. Crying out for the persecuted church. I was told that support was going for the revival conference in October. To post the call would take away support from that conference.

My question is how can we expect to have revival when we turn cold hearts to our persecuted brothers and sisters.

If we cannot love our brothers and sisters who are in the shadow of the cross. Can we really expect God to revive this American Church?

Blaine 

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/// but I know Bear couldn't take his eyes off the monitor until someone did, you can relax now Mr. Bear. :-) ///

Sorry Bill. You got it wrong brother. I was too busy watching the monitor for persecution reports
So I can better lead my prayer calls as we pray for those who are in the shadow of the cross.

Blaine

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Lysa


There are several facets of persecution on it's way to America. But when it starts, we there be those still bullying others about it, telling them they are just crying wolf? Or will most of the church be "protesting" the persecution or better yet... will they "boycott" the persecution?! :) haha

That seems to be what most of the American church is good at... bullying, boycotting, or protesting!

I wonder which one will work? ;)

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MrBillPro

The only bullying I see here is, bear bullying us into condemnation. :-)

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Gloryandgrace


The first time I read Foxes book of Martyrs was about 38 years ago, I loved it and re-read it a dozen times, I loved Jesus Freaks, 1 and 2, Extreme devotion, The encyclopedia of Christian martyrs. These books are foundational in my life, giving me a perspective of the body of Christ that has helped me see past the fluffy stuff I am used to seeing and hearing.

It is a good thing to read the stories of the martyrs, and to pray for our persecuted brothers, my wife has always been worried "you'll just go to some country and get yourself martyred, then you'll be happy" ( she didn't say that in a good way.) I love their faith, I love their singleness of heart and their desire to stand for truth, live for truth and display truth in love. That is something I seek for my own life.

In teaching a group of teens ( high schoolers) I used some of the testimonies found in extreme devotion, showing them young people who found Jesus was supremely worthy and supremely important enough to give up everything for him.
I did this because our teens needed to hear about other teens and young adults living for Jesus who valued Jesus above all else.

Brother Blaine does us all a good service to exhort us to pray for and concern ourselves with the persecuted Church.
It the same Church we all belong to.

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Marvin you are one of the few who understand who are persecuted brothers and sisters are. You appreciate and teach their heritage.

I praise God for your encouraging post.

By the way Martyrs Mirror is a big book about the martydom of the Anabaptists. The accounts are very moving. Also the writings of Richard and Sabina Wurmbrandt are also moving. But then anything from the shadow of the cross I find edifying.

Blaine

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deltadom

I am not from America but Christians should care about other Christians from around the world and if it was not for god's grace I would be born in North Korea rather than England
I find it hard that when listening to issues there is a disconnect. There are poor and persecuted Christians in America as much as any place in the world but not as much as places like iran or North Korea
I don't want any Christian to suffer anywhere as we are all part of one body

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narrowpath

The degree of persecution in some of these countries matches the degree of dillusion of Christianity in the West.
The battle to be a true Christian in the West is just as fierce than living under Islamic rule and dictatorship.

The persecuted church helps us not to become lukewarm. We owe it to them to at least pray for them and help them where we can. I heard that the persecuted church is aware of our seduction and prays for us, too. When we pray for them, God will return blessings to us in many ways.

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Lysa

by narrowpath
The degree of persecution in some of these countries matches the degree of dillusion of Christianity in the West.
The battle to be a true Christian in the West is just as fierce than living under Islamic rule and dictatorship.

narrowpath,

This is so so true. Glad you pointed that out.

God bless and yes, we owe it to the persecuted church to pray for them!!

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/// The battle to be a true Christian in the West is just as fierce than living under Islamic rule and dictatorship ///

I do agree. In some ways it is more difficult to follow Christ in the west then in a persecuted nation. In places like North Korea, Eritrea, or other such nation's. Those believers know the cost. And they're willing to pay the price to follow Christ. Even at the cost of their own life.

In the west we've yet to count the cost. Mainly because there is no cost in following Jesus. Our danger is the deception of the materialism. This dulls our senses to the cost of following Jesus.

Blaine

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Gloryandgrace

Narrowpath. This is so commonplace we tend to look at it very one-sidedly.

Humanism, evolution, anti-theism, worldly mindedness, perverted lifestyles are all taught with explicitness in Junior high all the way through college. In college where as an adult you must confront the ideologies as a Christian and suffer poor grades or censorship; or compromise and get the grade at the sacrifice of your Christian integrity. This is best case scenario. The norm is such a direct challenge to the Christians faith, they must all but renounce it in order to connect with any of their professors and college peers if they want some 'normative' acceptance.

Our culture doesn't kill Christianity in prisons, it kills it with tiny little flea bites. A little compromise here, a little acquiescence there, a little verbiage change here, a little buy-in over there and before long the bible is not inerrant, God doesn't do miracles, Jesus most probably never existed and God is a myth. Little Johnny went to college as a high-school Christian only to become an engineer, he came out a skeptic with a Bachelor of Science in Engineering. His college days purged him of high-school-Christian-sentimentalism and gave to him the stark realities of technology dependence and skepticism-is-your-friend-in-school mindset.

We have real enemies, persecution veiled in censorship, hatred veiled in alternative ideologies are the killers.
ISIS has killed its thousands, but College professors have killed their ten-thousands.

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TMK

I guess I never expected my college profs to be believers (although there is a chemical engineering prof in my Bible study and she is a very strong believer). I don’t recall running into any Christian profs in college; I think there were a few Christian teachers in my HS.

I don’t think we are meant to live sheltered lives and we can’t be so wimpy. I don’t expect the folks I deal with in my work to be Christians- I just have to deal with it.

I can honestly say my atheist profs had no effect on my Christian walk. What effected my Christian walk was being away from a pretty sheltered home environment for the first time and the "freedom” that allowed. Nonetheless I held onto my faith by the skin of my teeth through my college years and was better for it afterwards.

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JFW

Actually agree with both of you in spite of the apparent conflict.

In my experience both are very true-
On the one hand, Marvin hits it on the head, the opposition to the Christian faith (especially at college) these days is a quite organized systematic front that marches forward under the guise of social justice, which (like the title of this thread) is really entitlement dressed in victim hood... nonetheless this system of thought or policing of thought persists and gains force with each new adherent, (group think-identity politics, aka fascism).

On the other hand Todd speaks to the reality of others whom ,tho this systemic growth persists within our universities and in society at large it is met with a holy resistance, a standard if you will. This internal conflict is a means by which the Lord can and does refine His children.

Many of my clients whom are college age are struggling with the matters of faith. They are definitely being systematically programmed to be an unbeliever with their faith not only challenged but undermined at every turn by professors and students alike. This is what they tell me-
Tho at the same time God has stirred some, and these are hungry for truth and are persistent in pursuit of it. They are curious and quite anxious to find something or someone real... it’s to these that the Lord reveals His Son :)


To be totally honest the title of this thread is itself indicative of the problem.
It reflects a tendency to project onto a situation our own personal feelings of victimization and then react to them publicly. Which in itself is a sense of entitlement. Victimization and Christianity cannot occupy the same space at the same time.... the persecuted church is not a group of victims, in fact they are the overcomers. For they have overcome the world thru Christ and are being persecuted for His namesake. See 1 Peter 4:12-19

While they may be victimized, they are not victims... rather they are honored of God that they are counted worthy to suffer with Christ for the gospels sake. So while it is scriptural to encourage the body to remember them and labor in prayer on their behalf, it is not scriptural to be an accuser of the brethren by taking part in the "group think- identify politics” that portends as such yet is itself part of the problem.

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TMK

Whoa Fletcher- that deserves a hearty "hear hear!”

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MrBillPro

JFW...To be totally honest the title of this thread is itself indicative of the problem. It reflects a tendency to project onto a situation our own personal feelings of victimization and then react to them publicly. Which in itself is a sense of entitlement. Victimization and Christianity cannot occupy the same space at the same time.... the persecuted church is not a group of victims, in fact they are the over-comers. For they have overcome the world thru Christ and are being persecuted for His namesake. See 1 Peter 4:12-19

While they may be victimized, they are not victims... rather they are honored of God that they are counted worthy to suffer with Christ for the gospels sake. So while it is scriptural to encourage the body to remember them and labor in prayer on their behalf, it is not scriptural to be an accuser of the brethren by taking part in the "group think- identify politics” that portends as such yet is itself part of the problem.


I don't think Jesus himself, could have said it any better. Only thing HE might have added is, Remember..There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

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As I posted earlier those of us who work in persecution ministries and try to bring the plight of the persecuted to the American church are accused of putting others on a guilt trip. I'm sure the same things were said of those who spoke out against the silence of the German Church regarding the slaughter of the Jews.

It is far too comfortable to sit behind our keyboards and say there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. And thus justify our silence regarding our persecuted brethren. My question is what will Jesus say to us when he calls us before his throne in judgement.

When I look at the last part of Matthew 25 of the judging of the sheep and the goats. The sheep and the goats were not judged by the doctrine they held. Or the denomination they worshipped in. Rather they were judge simply did they practice the Second Great commandment. Did they practice love of their neighbor for those who were in need. In the context of which the Olivet discussion takes place. I'm wondering if Jesus was not judging the sheep and the goats for how they responded to their persecuted brothers and sisters in the shadow of the cross.

Again thoughts for reflection. If any feel that they are on a guilt trip. Could it not be the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Blaine

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I have purposely changed the name of this thread the focus more on the American Church. Because really the question should be does the American Church show a concern for its persecuted brethren?

Blaine

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Hebrews 13:3

Remember those in prison, as though you were in prison with them, and the mistreated, as though you yourselves were suffering bodily.


Can somebody in the forum please tell me where this is been abrogated. Can somebody please tell me where we are not to remember the persecuted. At least remember them in our prayers.

The first century church was a church that remembered their suffering brethren. But I fear that we in America, at least the American church, have been dulled by the materialism and the self-centeredness of this age. It is far too easy to sit behind our keyboards and say this is not my responsibility.

I remembered as I shared the plight of the persecuted with a house church leader. He just simply told me we are not led that direction. Then indicated he didn't want to discuss the matter any further.

Another brother told me that he did not believe in the myth of a persecuted church. I believe this is the attitude of the American Church. Either they feel like they're not lead in the direction to speak out and pray for the persecuted. Or they simply believe that the persecuted church is a myth. At least in their own minds.

I find there is a tendency among some evangelicals to come and defend Israel. These same believer's will recoil at the horrors of the Holocaust that were committed against the Jews. They will even weep at the story of the Diary of Anne Frank. Yet these saints will not acknowledge the persecution and the horrors that are being committed against our brothers and sisters in places like North Korea and Eritrea.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer said silence in the face of evil is evil itself. God will hold us accountable.. To not speak is to speak. To not act is to act.

Again I ask. Where has Hebrews 13:3 been abrogated in our walk with Christ.

Blaine

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JFW

Dear brother,
Personally I am encouraged by your heart for the persecuted church all around the world and my statements were not as a personal affront to you.

To your last point regarding us "showing concern”.... well speaking for myself, the way I know to do this is primarily through prayer and supplication in the spirit, which as you know, is in many cases a private matter. Having said that it is also good to bring attention to these matters publicly in order to raise awareness and foster solidarity and for some, perhaps even you, it is their calling.
Likewise I know others whom champion causes equally worthy like abortion and they too give themselves to their calling. There are many other examples of this throughout the body of Christ.

However it is not, as far as my understanding permits, anyone’s calling to be Holy Spirit- not a bad thing to want to be I suppose but is quite harmful to try to be.... We are to make our appeals through Him, not as Him.

Again this is not to say there isn’t a place to admonish or rebuke, there surely is, however even and especially then we should guard ourselves, being certain of our intent to build up patiently and with all meekness and gentleness lest, in our zeal, harm the very body we do so earnestly seek to help:)

Blessings dear brother and again may God be praised for the work He does in and through you:)

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