The Book of Adam????

The Talmud says nothing about the existence of a Book of Adam, and Zunz's widely accepted assertion to the contrary ("G. V." 2d ed., p. 136) is erroneous, as appears upon an inspection of the passage in 'Ab. Zarah, 5a, and Gen. R. xxiv. 2. There can be no doubt, however, that there existed at an early date, perhaps even before the destruction of the Second Temple, a collection of legends of Adam and Eve which have been partially preserved, not in their original language, but somewhat changed. It is possible to prove that the apocryphas, Apocalypsis Mosis— as Tischendorf, following a copyist's erroneous inscription, called the book—and Vita Adæ et Evæ, and to a certain degree even their Slavonic, Syriac, Ethiopic, and Arabic offshoots, are of identical Jewish origin. According to these apocryphal works and to the Eastern and Western forms of the Apocalypsis, the Jewish portion of the Book of Adam must have read somewhat as follows (the parallels in apocryphal and rabbinical literature are placed in parentheses):Adam in the Garden of Eden.Adam, the handiwork of the Lord (Ab. R. N. i., end), lived with Eve in the Garden of Eden, which was situated in the East (Book of Enoch, xxxii.; B. B. 84a). Their food, which they also distributed to the lower animals (Gen. R. xix. 5), consisted of the fruit of the trees in the garden, the only nourishment then allowed to living beings (Sanh. 59b). For their protection two angels were set apart (?ag. 16a), known (Ber. 60b) as or the partakers of the majesty () (kabod), called in Latin virtutes, from virtus, corresponding to kabod. But one day when the guarding angels had ascended to heaven to sing their hymn () to the Lord (?ul. 91b), Satan thought the time opportune to carry out his evil designs against Adam. Satan hated Adam, for he regarded him as the cause of his fall. After God had created man, He ordered all the angels to prostrate themselves before Adam, but Satan rebelled against God's command, despite the direct bidding of Michael "to worship the image of YHW" (), and answered proudly: "If God be angry against me, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God" (compare Isa. xiv. 13). Whereupon God "cast him out from heaven with all his host of rebellious angels" (Slavonic Book of Enoch, xxxi. 18, and Mek., Shirah, § 2). And Satan the Adversary (Suk. 52a) selected the serpent for his tool, as it was not only the most subtle of all animals, but also very similar to man, for it had been endowed with hands and legs like him (Gen. R. xix. 1). And Satan spoke to the serpent: "Be my instrument, and through thy mouth will I utter a word which shall enable thee to seduce man" (Pir?e R. El. xiii.). After some pleading the serpent succeeded in persuading Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge—a fig-tree (Gen. R. xv. 7)—which the serpent had shaken for her (Ab. R. N. i. 4, ed. Schechter). But the serpent had infused lust into the fruit, and when Eve had eaten of it the sexual desire awoke in her (Slavonic Book of Baruch, xcvii.; Apoc. Abraham, xxiii., and Pir?e R. El. xxi.), and at the same moment she became aware that she had been undone and "had lost the garment of righteousness in which she had been clothed" (Gen. R. xix. 6, Pir?e R. El. xiv.). Adam, too, after he had eaten of the forbidden fruit, experienced a sense of loss and cried out: "What hast thou done? Thou hast removed me from the glory of the Lord" (Ab. R. N. i. 6, ed. Schechter).The Divine Verdict.Soon after they had sinned they heard the trumpet-blast (shofar) of Michael ("B. H." ed. Jellinek, ii. 61) calling the angels: "Thus saith the Lord, 'Come with me into the Garden of Eden and hear the sentence which I will pass on Adam'" (Gen. R. xix. 8). And the Lord then spoke to Adam, saying: "Where art thou hidden? Dost thou think I can not find thee? Can a house hide itself from its builder? [Targ. Yer. to Gen. iii. 9]. Because thou hast broken my commandment I will inflict seventy-two ailments upon thy body" (Mishnah Neg. i. 4). And to the woman He said: "Because thou didst not hearken to my commandment I shall multiply thy labor-pains, and vainly [?? ???????? of the Greek, by a mistake in reading (habalim) for (?abalim) in the Hebrew] thou wilt then confess and cry: 'Lord, save me, and I will not turn any more to carnal sin.' But thy desire shall be again to thy husband" (a midrashic explanation of Gen. iii. 16, based on the hermeneutic rule of semikot—explanation by context—and to be found word for word in Gen. R. xx. 7). Nor did the serpent escape punishment, for it lost its hands and legs (Gen. R. xx. 5), and a spirit of enmity was established between it and man unto the day of judgment; according to Targ. Yer. Gen. iii. 15, "until the time of Messiah" (see So?ah, 49b).Adam Exiled from the Garden of Eden.However, the heaviest punishment for Adam was his expulsion from the Garden of Eden. All his supplications, as well as those of the angels, to mitigate the sentence only induced God to promise him, saying: "If after having left the Garden of Eden thou wilt guard against evil until thou diest" ["be prepared to die" is not correct, being based on the confusion of the Hebrew (wilt die) with the Aramaic (prepared)], "I will raise thee at the time of resurrection" (an old haggadic Targum to Gen. iii. 17, 22, which is also found in Targ. Yer. i. and Gen. R. xx. 10; compare the benediction me?ayye ha-metim (He raises the dead), in Apost. Const. vii. chap. xxxiv). In the future world God will be among men (Tan., Num. 145, ed. Buber), and the Evil Spirit will be no more (Gen. R. xlviii. 11).The sentence of God was carried into effect. Banished from the garden, which was henceforward surrounded by a sea of ice (Book of Enoch, Hebrew version; "B. H." iv. 132), Adam and Eve settled in the neighborhood of Eden in the East (Gen. R. xxi. 9). They were no sooner out of their blissful abode than a paralyzing terror befell them. Unaccustomed to the earthly life and unfamiliar with the changes of the day and of the weather—in paradise an eternal light had surrounded them (Gen. R. xi. 2)—they were terrified when the darkness of night began to fall upon the earth ('Ab. Zarah, 8a), and the intercession of God's word () was necessary to explainto them the new order of things. From this moment the sufferings of life began; for Adam and Eve were afraid to partake of earthly food, and fasted for the first seven days after their expulsion from paradise, as is prescribed in Talmudic law before an imminent famine (Mishnah Ta'anit, i. 6).Repentance of Adam.Humiliated and weakened by hunger and suffering, Adam became conscious of the gravity of his sin, for which he was now prepared to atone ('Er. 18b, Gen. R. xxii. 13). He, therefore, like Moses, Elijah, and Abraham (Apoc. Abraham, 12), fasted for forty days, during which he stood up to his neck in the waters of the river Gihon (), the name of which is etymologically connected by the writer with the roots "to stoop" and "to pray aloud" (Pir?e R. El. xx.). According to the Vita Adæ et Evæ, Adam stood in the Jordan—a version which may be ascribed to the Christian copyists, who, for obvious reasons, wished to represent Adam as having had his baptism in the Jordan, forgetting that since Eve, as they themselves stated, bathed in the Tigris, Adam would have selected another of the rivers of paradise for that purpose.The days of repentance having passed, the twins Cain and Abel were born to Adam and Eve (Gen. R. xxii. 2). And soon Cain rose, ran away, and brought a reed to his mother (; compare Gen. R. xxii. 8): "Cain killed his brother with a reed ()"; for, according to the unanimous opinion of the Haggadah, the children of Adam and Eve were born fully developed (Gen. R. xxii. 2). Eve saw in a dream that Cain had assassinated his brother, and Abel was found slain with a stone (Gen. R. xxii. 8; Book of Jubilees, iv. 31); but the earth refused to receive his blood (Gi?. 57b). As a compensation for the murdered Abel, God promised Adam a son who should "make known everything that thou doest."Illness and Death of Adam.Adam, at the age of nine hundred and thirty years, became very ill; for God had cursed him with seventy-two ailments. He sent his son Seth, with Eve, to the Garden of Eden for the oil of healing, to restore him to health (Pir?e R. El. xxxv). On his way to paradise Seth was attacked by a wild animal. Upon Eve's demanding how an animal could dare to attack an image of God, the animal replied that she herself, through her sin, had forfeited the right to rule over the animal kingdom (Pesi?. v. 44b, ed. Buber, and Sanh. 106b). Not until Seth exclaimed: "Wait until the day of judgment !" or, "Stop! If not, thou wilt be brought to judgment before God" (both readings based on ) did the animal let him go. However, the mission of Seth was in vain, for the angel Michael, to whom God had given the control over the human body—for he it was who had gathered the dust for Adam's creation (Midr. Konen, in "B. H." ii. 27), told him that his father's life was at an end, and his soul would depart from him within the course of a week.Funeral of Adam.Three days after the death of Adam (Gen. R. vii), which took place, as in the case of Moses and Aaron, in the presence of many angels and even in the presence of the Lord, his soul was handed over by God to Michael, who assigned it an abode in the third heaven (?ag. 12b) until the day of resurrection. The body was interred with exceptional honors; the four archangels, Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, and Raphael (in the exact order of enumeration given by the Haggadah; see Kohut, "Angelologie," p. 25), buried it in the neighborhood of paradise, the precise spot being (Pir?e R. El. xii. and xx.) Hebron near Jerusalem; for the site of the altar in the Temple, whence the dust of Adam was taken, is the gate to paradise.A few days after the interment of Adam by the virtutes, Eve felt that her end was approaching. She called her children together and ordered them to write down the names of the first two human beings on two slabs of clay and stone, for she had learned from Michael that God had decided to bring a flood and a destructive fire over the earth and that only these slabs would escape destruction (Josephus, "Ant." i. 2, § 3). Eve passed away after a lapse of six days—that is, after the mourning week of Adam—as the (shib'ah) may consist, according to Talmudic law, of six days only and a few moments of the seventh day (M. ?. 19b). Eve was buried by the angels at the side of Adam, and the angels instructed Seth not to mourn more than six days, and to rest and rejoice on the seventh day, for on that same day God and the angels would receive in gladness the soul which is lifted above all earthly matter (Sanh. 65b), and, moreover, rest upon the seventh day was to be the symbol of the resurrection in future ages (Sanh. 97a).The reconstruction of the Jewish Book of Adam here attempted may be hypothetical in some points, for neither the Apoc. Mosis nor the Vita can be considered to represent a true copy of the original. But it makes clear that these two apocryphas are based on the Hebrew or Aramaic Book of Adam and that the latter belongs to the midrashic literature, as many of its allusions can only be explained by the Midrash. The legends of Adam with which rabbinical literature abounds seem to point to the same source. Thus the statement in Abot de-Rabbi Nathan (i. 6, ed. Shechter) that Eve always addressed Adam as "lord" is apparently not intelligible, until compared with the Vita and the Slavonic Book of Adam, both of which contain similar statements, which, therefore, must have existed in the original, from which they both drew independently of each other. With regard to the alleged Christian elements and reminiscences of the New Testament in the Apoc. Mosis and Vita they will be sufficiently characterized by the following examples: Apoc. Mosis, iii., "Child of Wrath," is based on a haggadic etymology of the name Cain, and has nothing to do with Eph. ii. 3; and Apoc. Mosis, xix., "Lust is the beginning of all sin," is thoroughly Jewish (see above), and need not therefore have been taken from such a source as James, i. 15. This, moreover, is the case with all the other alleged Christian passages in the Apoc. Mosis, which would prove nothing, even if they were of Christian origin; for it can not be surprising to find Christian allusions in the language of a book so widely read among Christians as the Apocrypha. Even passages where one would expect that a Christian editor or compiler would interject Christological notions are quite free from them; all of which tends to show that neither the Apoc. Mosis nor the Vita was in any way tampered with by Christian writers.http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=759&letter=A

THE BOOK OF ADAMhttp://www.pseudepigrapha.com/pseudepigrapha/TheBookOfAdam.htm

Do you think it would be bad to read it?Have you any idea why you're interested? What is drawing you along this line of thought?

So much for spiritual discernment and intellectual exploration!? :roll: Bub

Just because a group of educated scholars got together and to declare a work heresy doesn't mean that we shouldn't read it. Jude read the book of Enoch, because he quotes from it, those scriptures are not found anywhere's in the textus receptus, but scholars have declared the book of Enoch heretical.It was learned men who were going to reject the book of John because it did not flow with the other 3 gospels.I have personally read the book of Adam, and it's great reading, there is nothing in the book that would steer you away from God.I had written a summary of it's contents, and while I considered posting it, I had deleted it because I didn't want to offend anyone here, if anyone would like to read it let it be by their own decision.Karl

Groh_frog,Karl speaks for me here. We (Christians) should feel free to explore religious works beyond the Bible and see whether they can offer new insights into our spirituality. Sometimes we will disagree and reject these works, and this can reinforce our beliefs. Other times we may agree in part and expand our faith.BubPS. I should add here that a process of spiritual discernment should be used if you have questions about something you read. Hold it in the Light and pray about it. God will let you know. Or bring it to a spiritual mentor or pastor for discernment if you are still unsure. But let Inner Light (Holy Spirit) guide you in these things and do not reject things outright because they are extrabiblical. The Bible is a great and wonderful gift to us, but doesn't hold all truths.

groh_frog wrote:Quote"But to trot anywhere in hopes of expanding our knowledge is extremely dangerous. We don't participate in seances, the occult, etc. for this reason. It's forbidden because it's dangerous, and to say that it's alright to look outside of God's word for knowledge..."This is far beyond what I was trying to say. No serious Christian mentor or pastor would ever advise anyone to participate the occult etc. Neither would the Holy Spirit, (which we Quakers refer to as the "Inner Light" of God.)What I mean to say is that, within the framework of Christianity, there are many ways of looking at and experiencing life and that we should not confine ourselves to a narrow interpretation of what it means to be a Christian. It's a wonderful universe that God has created for us (now, please don't get me started on the literal interpretation of Genesis :-) ) and we should feel free to explore it.Bubbaguy

Stever's response:7 years ago I read the entire lot of the false books of the Bible- the Apocryphia. I found them to be full of fable and false accounts of whatever they discussed, and personally found them of no value. I was at first disappointed, but came to realize that there were substantial reasons for keeping these books out of the Canon of Scripture.This is what the Catholic Online Encyclopedia has to say about the Book of Adam :The Books of AdamCatholic Encyclopedia on CD-ROMContains 11,632 articles. Browse off-line, ad-free, printer-friendly.Get it here for only $29.95The Book of Adam or "Contradiction of Adam and Eve," is a romance made up of Oriental fables. It was first translated from the Ethiopian version into German by Dillman, "Das christliche Adambuch" (Göttingen, 1853), and into English by Malan, "The Book of Adam and Eve" (London, 1882). The "Pénitence d'Adam", or "Testament d'Adam", is composed of some Syrian fragments translated by Renan (Journal asiatique, 1853, II, pp. 427-469). "The Penitence of Adam and Eve" has been published in Latin by W. Meyer in the "Treatises of the Royal Bavarian Academy of Sciences", XIV, 3 (Munich, 1879). To these are added "The Books of the Daughters of Adam", mentioned in the catalogue of Pope Saint Gelasius in 495-496, who identifies it with the "Book of Jubilees", or "Little Genesis", and also the "Testament of Our First Parents", cited by Anastasius the Sinaïte, LXXXIX, col. 967. The JewishEncyclopedia.com has this to say about the Book of Adam:The Talmud says nothing about the existence of a Book of Adam, and Zunz's widely accepted assertion to the contrary ("G. V." 2d ed., p. 136) is erroneous, as appears upon an inspection of the passage in 'Ab. Zarah, 5a, and Gen. R. xxiv. 2. There can be no doubt, however, that there existed at an early date, perhaps even before the destruction of the Second Temple, a collection of legends of Adam and Eve which have been partially preserved, not in their original language, but somewhat changed. It is possible to prove that the apocryphas, Apocalypsis Mosis— as Tischendorf, following a copyist's erroneous inscription, called the book—and Vita Adæ et Evæ, and to a certain degree even their Slavonic, Syriac, Ethiopic, and Arabic offshoots, are of identical Jewish origin. According to these apocryphal works and to the Eastern and Western forms of the Apocalypsis, the Jewish portion of the Book of Adam must have read somewhat as follows (the parallels in apocryphal and rabbinical literature are placed in parentheses):------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Conclusion:The reconstruction of the Jewish Book of Adam here attempted may be hypothetical in some points, for neither the Apoc. Mosis nor the Vita can be considered to represent a true copy of the original. But it makes clear that these two apocryphas are based on the Hebrew or Aramaic Book of Adam and that the latter belongs to the midrashic literature, as many of its allusions can only be explained by the Midrash. The legends of Adam with which rabbinical literature abounds seem to point to the same source. Thus the statement in Abot de-Rabbi Nathan (i. 6, ed. Shechter) that Eve always addressed Adam as "lord" is apparently not intelligible, until compared with the Vita and the Slavonic Book of Adam, both of which contain similar statements, which, therefore, must have existed in the original, from which they both drew independently of each other. With regard to the alleged Christian elements and reminiscences of the New Testament in the Apoc. Mosis and Vita they will be sufficiently characterized by the following examples: Apoc. Mosis, iii., "Child of Wrath," is based on a haggadic etymology of the name Cain, and has nothing to do with Eph. ii. 3; and Apoc. Mosis, xix., "Lust is the beginning of all sin," is thoroughly Jewish (see above), and need not therefore have been taken from such a source as James, i. 15. This, moreover, is the case with all the other alleged Christian passages in the Apoc. Mosis, which would prove nothing, even if they were of Christian origin; for it can not be surprising to find Christian allusions in the language of a book so widely read among Christians as the Apocrypha. Even passages where one would expect that a Christian editor or compiler would interject Christological notions are quite free from them; all of which tends to show that neither the Apoc. Mosis nor the Vita was in any way tampered with by Christian writers.Bibliography: Schürer, Gesch. 3d ed., iii., 288 et seq.; Fuchs, in Die Apokryphen und Pseudepigraphen des Alten Testaments (trans. and ed. by E. Kautzsch), ii. 506-529; Ginzberg, Die Haggada bei den Kirchenvätern, in Monatsschrift, 1899, pp. 63 et seq. The most important editions of the Books of Adam are: Apoc. Mosis, in Apocalypses Apocryphœ, ed. Tischendorf, 1866; Vita Adœ et Evœ, ed. H. Meyer, in Abhandlungen der Bayrischen Akademie der Wissenschaften; Philosophisch-Philologische Klasse, xiv. (1878); the Old Slavonic Book of Adam; Jagic, in Denkschriften der Wiener Akademie der Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-Historische Klasse (1893), i. et seq., xlii.; Malan, Book of Adam and Eve, translated from the Ethiopic, London, 1882.L. G."Personally, I really don't think that it offers anything other than conjecture to our understanding of Adam & Eve. We have all we need to know when we understand that all of mankind has inherited Adam's sin nature, due to his original sin. All of us can trade in our sin nature for God's nature when we believe in Jesus Christ. Instead of being "in" Adam, we are now "in" Christ.God bless,Stever

I think the problem with christianity in America is we have too much to explore.Were constantly reading about someone elses take on things only to end up going back to our bibles to find out if its true or not.Finally I just got to where I thought why waste the time? Why not just stick to the bible? Thats why I am so determined to get this rapture business straightened out in my own mind.

Every single person in the Christian world is deceived about some thing. That knowledge that we lack causes us to walk in something other then the truth, until the LORD reveals to us a greater truth then the weaker knowledge we were walking in. We then forsake that beggarly knowledge and we climb up higher in Christ, from faith to faith, from glory to glory, here a little, there a little.We are so quick to judge when someone steps outside the realm of our own understanding. Let me share something with you.The word of God says this; (paraphrased)My word is higher than my own name.Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.2 Samuel 11:15 And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retire ye from him, that he may be smitten, and die._______________________________________________________Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.2 Samuel 11:3 And David sent and inquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?2 Samuel 11:4 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house.______________________________________________________________Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.2 Samuel 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.__________________________________________________________Now for all you sticklers out there who are so ready to condemn anyone who steps outside the bible, God first stepped outside His own laws that He gave to Moses, so that He could save a man that was after His own heart.The law demanded that the man and the woman be stoned, but instead of the man and the woman, God wiped out thousands of Israelites by a plague.What an awesome God.Karl

groh_frogSurely you are not saying that to understand the basis and percepts of other faiths is "heresy." But this is the only thing that I can derive from your posts on this thread. Please elaborate.Bub

ou're playing with the same fire that causes books like the "good as new" bible to be writtenI'll let the LORD and others to defend me as to what fire I have been given, but as to the Good News Bible, I for one have hardly read it, but I have read the Living Bible or The Way and I can't understand why you sticklers would knock a perfectly good version.Personally I read the King James, I read it because I have grown accustomed to it, but don't knock the one who has grown accustomed to their version.Know one here has no idea what kind of relationship they have with the heavenly Father, it's whom the Father receives that matters, it's not what bible translation their reading that counts. I call you sticklers because your not willing to bend like the LORD God did with handling David and Bathsheba. Jesus spoke to the Pharisees in His day and they were stiff necked unwilling to bend, unwilling to yield to perhaps a different way of seeing the word. Jesus stumped them everytime with His teaching, even Paul inserted the philosphers words of his day and added them to what we call the word of God.Yes uphold that which is sacred and true, uphold the way of holiness, but don't shut down because God maybe opening up to us more truths. As He is everlasting to everlasting, His ways are past finding out, the store houses of His wisdom and knowledge are endless.I think alot of times is that we share too much on this site, some things are best unspoken. If they are not edifying then it should be deleted, and we tend to do alot of such writing.Karl

2 Tim. 3:16, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."We have one Shepherd and we know His voice! We need no other voice to guide us!!!Psalm 11Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.In Christ,Slav

G'Frog, do you mean we should bend scripture, as the Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, Catholics, Baha'is, etc. do?How you interpreted what I said in my last post meaning to compromise with the garbage that these cults submit is beyond me.What we are talking about is how God does things, His ways, His dealings with man it's not always done the way we read it in the bible. God cannot be put in a box, He's just too big. The bible that we have today is forever expanding.The book that David Wilkerson put out in 1974 entitled, "The Vision" was not a work that David personally produced, but it is the word from God.God spoke to him and gave him in a vision a word.John who wrote the Revelation received a similiar vision from God, but we uphold John greater than David, yet these men are brothers and are in the same body that is called Christ.So the Vision has come to pass in our time, it is the WORD OF GOD and should be apart of the bible, because it's TRUTH.Now, I know that what you just read sounds like heresy and blasphemy, "How dare he", "Who gives him the right", etc..Why, because if I limit God only to the bible, then my God is small.But lets go a bit further, the works of Ravenhill, the Wesleys brothers, Frank Bartlemen,Wigglesworth and all such men who were either wonderful or ugly they should be apart of the bible, because they all walked in a degree with the LORD and have seen and done mighty things in the name of Jesus.Is Solomon better than us?Is Paul greater?Are we any less than the early church whom Paul has said that "we are all one in Christ Jesus?"The more I write the more that I can see why the church has not grown, because we have set divisions and have made other men higher than ourselves we are no different than the Catholic Church. We've made Paul into some god in our thinking, we have believed that those men then were better than us today. Christ is saying to us, "No, those men were no different then you, what made the difference was MY SPIRIT in them, and the same shall be done to you if you seek my face and forsake all that you have affections for, and then you will see the power of God and you will not call one man greater than his brother, for there is only one greater and He has paid the ransom, He has borne your sins, and He sits at the right hand of the Father and makes intercession for you." AmenKarl

Regarding the book of Revelation ONLY it says:Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.Why only this book, why not the rest of the bible?We have put this curse on anyone for the whole bible, but it's only reference is this book. Why is this book so important, and why was it set aside to be a curse to anyone who adds thereto or takes away?Keep all the word in it's context, don't add this plague to the rest of the bible, it's only for this one book called the Revelation of Jesus Christ.Karl

GaryEAre you realy trying to say that the book of Adam belongs in the bible?Where are you getting this nonsense?No the book of Adam does not belong in the bible, and yes the bible is forever expanding.I can do it because my conscience is not bothering me, but it bothers yours because you stumble at my liberty. To this I sincerely apologize, I have forgotten there are those who are weak in their understanding of certain things. I will not bring this subject up again. And I will not add anymore of my opinion to this thread.It is better for me to be at peace with you all than to be a stumbling block. This thread is dead to me unless I receive a PM. Karl

Gary,Karl has not dug himself into a deep hole. He is seeking the word of God in today's world. On the other hand, it seems like you and many others have put a God in a box and are restraining His Word for us!Bubbaguy

Healing Waters said:".........................and yes the bible is forever expanding.I can do it because my conscience is not bothering me, but it bothers yours because you stumble at my liberty.To this I sincerely apologize, I have forgotten there are those who are weak in their understanding of certain things. I will not bring this subject up again. And I will not add anymore of my opinion to this thread.It is better for me to be at peace with you all than to be a stumbling block. This thread is dead to me unless I receive a PM. KarlxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxStever's response:Pure Heresy- your statement that "the Bible is forever expanding."Stever's continued response:The entire Church TODAY, at this time in history, is going into apostasy. Believers today think that what the Holy Spirit tells them is of more value than the Word of God. Rather than qualifying what the Spirit is teaching them, by the very Word of God (the Bible), they then fall into error. Why? Because many, many times it is their own/our own flesh that is talking to us. We have to test the Spirit that talks to us, and that isn't being done today. We test the Spirit by God's Word.2 Timothy tells us: " 15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.16. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.17. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;18. Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some."God bless,Stever