The title of the sermon is "Process And Crisis" and starts about 42 minutes in (the worship is great too! so maybe watch the whole thing). Pastor Tim believes within 5 years great persecution will come to the American church, pastors and believers will be jailed and persecuted, but it will only serve to strengthen the church. He believes congregations in the U. S. will move primarily to online and small groups, much like the church in China.
brother,
what time did he says specifically he felt persecution is coming in 5 years?
hi Drifter,
I enjoyed if thats the word the sermon and at around 1.04 he says he "believes" that the pandemic is preparing for a crisis but its not the crisis and at 1.05 he says he" believes" with all his heart in less than five years the country will turn on the church (paraphrasing)
So I am not sure you can call it a prophesy as such to be honest ,he didnt say God showed him that in less than 5 yrs this will happen or that will happen etc .
Now it may happen.
Also the easiest thing to manipulate or stop or persecute is the digital ,online world .Also New York is democrat and the view from inside New York is different than that from Texas for instance.
Also if God wanted Persecution to come why bother electing Trump?the first time and perhaps the second time?
Why would God work against himself?
Also the Church in ACTS were in AWE about what was going on prior to the persecution .The only Awe I have about whats going on is how awful it is compares to acts.
Not withstanding the sermon was well worth the listen,thanks for posting it much appreciated ,staff
Am I the only one, or is there others that wonders why, only Pastors seem to be the only ones that give Prophetic messages? Born of the Spirit of God is a birthright, and having authority in Jesus name. In the last days I will pour out my spirit on "ALL" people."Your sons and daughters will prophesy".Your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.In those days I will pour out my Spirit even on my servants””men and women alike””and they will prophesy. Acts 2:17-19
staff wrote,
"...if God wanted Persecution to come why bother electing Trump?the first time and perhaps the second time? Why would God work against himself?"
The person in the following video spoke briefly last evening at the Trump rally in Las Vegas;
Go figure...!
I clipped the message:
(Clip) Coming Persecution For Christians In North America by Tim Delina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHCK5ph-mtM
Hi Savannah,
All that means is the Republican Party are politicians not the Church .As a president you have to look and see the reality that Gay people are being put to death in countries around the world which is wrong.Trump is the President not a Pastor or a Church leader.
Over all From a Christian perspective if Hillary Clinton was in the office we would not have had a leader who talks about Christian persecution or the right to worship or who is an anti globalist etc
So if you look at the overall picture if God wanted persecution Hillary Clinton should be put in office or globally you wouldnt have had Brexit a clear move of God also.
Also their are already Christians all over the world in every part unlike the first century Church where they were just in Jerusalem,urs staff
hi BIll,
I Guess its because they have a platform to jump off from so they get heard more.
But you are right of course, staff
Hi Bill. I think many christian lay people have prophetic words, but their audience may be limited, or others in the body of Christ don't take it seriously.
staff,
If you think that, "All that means..." is all that means, think again!
Some may be familiar with ACLJ and Jay Sekulow. He is a very well known name among christians, as he is a professing christian as well. He also happens to be one of Trump's lawyers. Here's some news which many may not know;
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Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. (Ephesians 5:11,12)
When Jehoshaphat king of Judah returned safely to his palace in Jerusalem, Jehu the seer, the son of Hanani, went out to meet him and said to the king, "Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the LORD? Because of this, the wrath of the LORD is on you.
(2 Chronicles 19:1,2)
All that means...is...all that means!
Hi Savannah,
So you think that Trump has not been a good thing?and you would rather have Hillary Clinton?
Trump is a President not a Pastor or a Church leader but I believe he was installed by God for a purpose.I dont expect him to arrive and fix all ills of previous administrations.If you look at his vice president Mike Pence he is opposed to Gay marriage etc ,urs staff
"So you think that Trump has not been a good thing?"
I never said that!
"and you would rather have Hillary Clinton?"
I never said that!
"Trump is a President not a Pastor or a Church leader..."
I know that!
"but I believe he was installed by God for a purpose."
I believe that!
"I dont expect him to arrive and fix all ills of previous administrations."
Nor do I expect that!
"If you look at his vice president Mike Pence he is opposed to Gay marriage."
I know that!
I merely posted some facts. You jumped to conclusions with your assumptions.
Hey, hey, my, my, there's more to the picture than meets the eye...
The spiritual trumps the political.
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And then there's Jay. A professing christian.
We all ought to seriously consider and meditate on this:
WE CHRISTIANS WORSHIP GOD NOT THE STATE!
Methinks some are having a sleepy Joe moment in this regard!
Hi Savannah,
Whats your point ?,mine are very clear,
A If God wanted to bring persecution forward why elect a President like Trump let Hillary win
b Gods people are already spread around the world we dont need persecution to spread them like the first century Church
c This is a very Good Sermon but the bit about the 5 years is a belief not a prophesy.
d Online Christianity is one of easiest things to persecute or stop .
e the Church today is not in the same place as acts 1 which was the starting point .They were in awe it says because of what God was doing.We are either not in awe or pretending to be.
If I may add then Timesquare should consider selling their big theatre and giving it joyfully to the poor like they did in acts if we are going to go into small groups with our tails between our legs,
staff
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