Calling out the false prophets

This is an important video of teaching and exposing false prophets in the church. I suggest that if someone disagrees with what is shown here that maybe cognitive dissonance may be at play.
What do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c842RBhCuk&ab_channel=FightingfortheFaith

There are those who constantly criticise others and call out names, as if God has given them the mandate to do so. They elevate themselves by trashing others. Though they are by and large technically right in their verdict, they totally miss the point and operate largely in the flesh.

The apostles rarely called out false apostles, prophets, teachers. They only did it in case they dealt with an issue under their direct care.

Ever wondered why Paul never named the false apostles in Corinth although they tried to undo everything he founded?

False apostles, prophets, teachers are God's provision for those who are unwilling to repent and humble themselves.
They are God's garbage trucks and fulfil an important function in God's economy. Paul was encountered rejection rejected by many saints in Corinth because they were carnal and poisoned by the superapostles. Yet he patiently waited until the majority of the church in Corinth embraced his godly doctrine through his lettes and repented. Thus the superapostles had to leave, because they could no longer feed on the flesh of their once dilluded followers. That was a much more sustainable victory than just calling out the phoneys.

It is better to learn to fear God and shun evil than to obtain a mere technical knowledge of good and evil. The fascination of evil will get you in the end, Adam!

False Christian workers fulfil a similar function as the devil and evil men who harrass the church. They are God's agent to our advantage. To overcome a trial, a temptation and to hold out in faith and withstand false teaching works for the good of the overcomers and to the detriment of those who do not keep their faith.

God always works to separate the good from the evil in us.

For the same reason, preachers like Zac Poonen, Keith Daniel, Paul Washer, David Wilkerson etc. never do that. They call out false doctrine and sin, but never the person concerned at least as long as they are alive. There are profound reasons behind that:
Firstly, any measurement you apply to others will be applied to you. These are the words of Jesus.

Secondly, it is far better to establish saints in the faith than calling out false prophets. True sheep will not follow the false shepherd, true disciples will not follow the false teacher, Jesus said.

It is far better to fight the good fight and grow in grace and truth than to be told who is false and never learn to discern for yourself.

Did you ever notice that some of these "ministries" seem to almost gleefully feed on the errors and shortcomings of others rather than taking the pains to establish others in faith? They have an opinion about everything and everyone and are beyond reproach. Even the tone of their voice gives it away. There is one particular guy on air who always talks in a supercharged voice, always mocking someone and something. What would they do if they did not find any trash to feed on?

I feel tempted to call out some of those "ministries" but I will refrain from that.

When they hire a new person at the Federal Reserve's counterfeiting department, they don't show them all the different counterfeit bills there are out there. No. Instead, they have the person carefully examine and memorize details of genuine currency so that when they see a counterfeit they will recognize it.

Justin Peters whole ministry is built on his watching and/or listening to thousands of hours of Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc. messages and documenting the errors. And he presents his findings to Grace Community Church pastored by John MacArthur. He is preaching to the choir. I don't think anyone in that church would be a follower of Kenneth Copeland or Benny Hinn regardless of how much of their preaching they heard. I honestly think they go on and on about what's wrong with Charismatics because they can only preach on TULIP for about a month tops.

And some of these discernment ministry folks will label a person as a heretic if they happen to be on stage with a known heretic and don't immediately rebuke and call out that other person for being a heretic!

I actually agree with much of the criticism lain at the doorstep of popular (TV propagated) Charismatic movement. But leaving the loony bin to join the dead formalism of a Grace Community type church is like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Just a few line - what if Trump gets a second term, it seems to me watching what is going on there are signs of shenanigans in the US elections.

A brother a long time ago committed a fault, whether in word or deed I do not know. A council was called to which one close to God was invited, but he refused to go to it. Then others were sent to him, "Come, for everyone is waiting for you.’ So he got up and went. He took a leaking jug, filled it with water and carried it with him. The others came out to meet him and said to him, ‘What is this?’ The old man said to them, ‘My sins run out behind me, and I do not see them, and today I am coming to judge the errors of another.’ When they heard that they said no more to the brother, but forgave him."

There is much going on within the spiritual realm! Our fight is not with "flesh and blood". Let us pray, "Father have mercy on me a sinner, daily!" Seeking to lift others up to His throne room in prayer. Instead of casting judgments by the ways of the flesh, into the open air around us.

"Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God." Ephesians 6:10-20

Some of these discernment minstries act like video game players. They blast the baddies with mockery and scorn and score more points and thereby gain power and size.

There are some well known discernment ministries that now exchange crossfire and insults in an attempt to cancel each other out. Unsaved boxers in the world championship league show more fairness and respect to each other.

But hand on heart: If you see a story about a fallen preacher's dirty secrets and an exhortation about prayer, which text would read first?

dear me ... calm down.

I'm wondering again, as I have in the past, if many of these "prophets" really hold the OFFICE of prophet or are just people who have advanced to a degree in their ability to receive words of knowledge and wisdom. Does being gifted in this way necessarily mean one holds the office of prophet?

I'm sorry for my post asking for calmness.. I felt that more posts were coming in against the original poster and I was concerned it was getting difficult for him. I didn't mean to stop the conversation entirely

I did calm down, enough rant. I have nothing against the OP, on the contrary, this is a healthy discussion. As per my own word I kept my lips tight not to mention any of the discernment ministries concerned.

I used to listen a lot to various discernment ministries myself, but it left my soul dry and empty.

OKay, sorry, I misunderstood where you were coming from.

The video posted in this OP at the header is not Justin Peters. TrueWitness said, "Justin Peters whole ministry is built on his watching and/or listening to thousands of hours of Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc. messages and documenting the errors. And he presents his findings to Grace Community Church pastored by John MacArthur.”

The video posted by DEADn is Chris Rosborough who is the so called captain of Pirate Christian Radio, Host of the Fighting for the Faith radio program and Pastor of Kongsvinger Lutheran Church.

The video is from the Fighting for the Faith radio program.

In contrast the moderator then comes onto the OP and quotes a Greek Orthodox priest (Ioannis Moraitis) according to some words that cannot be challenged and then says "to jab fun at what is false by mocking with faces and funny comments shows zero mercy for the souls of men who are teaching what is wrong.”

Perhaps the real Justin Peters would be better served if at least his face is comprehended as not mocking and his manner is not having some fun?

Justine Peters

https://www.gracechurch.org/sermons/16716

Hi All,
I would like to know the end times views of fighting for the faith and what leaning or bias they have.
Whether President Trump gets a second term or not is not effected by false prophets .Some false prophets may prophesy that he will get a second term and some true prophets may prophesy that he will get a second term(p.s these are true if he does get elected 2020 that is).The false prophets dont become true prophets by guessing the election result.
It is still very unclear who will be the next president of the US.
If President Trump slid in on a landslide God would not get the glory so we have to wait and see whether God is having a Lazarus moment when he left the body in the grave 4days before he showed his power.False prophets have more problems than prophesying falsely ,its all the other rubbish that comes with the falsehood.
If I flip the coin we have people who say they believe in prophesy and words of knowledge and wisdom and in reality are as dry as the sahara desert ,this is also a huge problem.
A couple of other points is that alot of false prophets are Christian and we will see them in heaven so be careful how you deal with them.
Also from my earthly eyes I am sure this election was not free and fair and that their was corruption on a scale never seen in modern times ,staff

Why is it so hard to call out false prophets for who and what they are? Do you really want to put your face in the sand and say such things as we should not name names but only exhort to watch out for false prophets when some refuse to recognize them for what they are because they like their teaching?

Many so called prophets claimed Trump would win reelection hands down. To say we should not give righteous judgment is hypocrisy and dishonors loving your neighbor and exhortating one another in the faith. It even slaps the face of Jesus and Paul who also warned us of the false teacher and prophets who would lead us stray.

My previous video I shared it was brought about about discernment ministries and how they like to point fingers? I think the opinion should rather be for those who think so that they don't want to enter into discernment but would rather have itching ears.

Here is a more 'neutral' video with a host of false prophets doing their thing with the Trump re election campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gIAtDxyTaM&ab_channel=HolyKoolaid

I end my posting with exhortations from the scriptures that all of us should do well to heed and grow in the Holy Spirit and not be fooled or deceived

Romans 16:17-18
17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord [d]Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction [a]does not slumber.

1 Timothy 1:19 Paul names names
20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Only one 'prophet' repent and then took down his video and that was Lance Wallnau.

"A couple of other points is that alot of false prophets are Christian and we will see them in heaven so be careful how you deal with them."

A false prophet is not a Christian. Can show demonstrate, from the bible, where a false prophet will be seen in heaven? Did God really mean that even if a Christian prophesies falsely they still go to heaven? OT says they are to be stoned......you are allowing your emotions to lead you into this arena and not bible.

hi Deadn
False Prophesy can come from a Christian and a non Christian.
False Prophesy from a Christian is a sin but heaven will be full of sinners who have sinned at some stage but are still saved .We do not go to heaven because we did the right things ie Prophesy correctly rather than falsely we go to heaven because Jesus died for our sins and we accepted that unwarranted gift.False prophesy if you are a Christian is just another sin to add to the list.
Stoning is clearly not for the New Testament however their are clearly consequences for a Christian if he is prophesying falsely .We have a very limited view from the bible who is in heaven currently and I dont think anyone is mentioned by name or by thier gifting other than the 24 elders,Enoch,Elijah ,the thief on the cross and the old testament saints that were in Abrahams bosum .Neither do we have a list of people who were excluded because they prophesied falsely .The only reason we will see anyone in heaven is for the obvious reasons they are saved from their sins ,urs staff

"A false prophet is not a Christian. Can show demonstrate, from the bible, where a false prophet will be seen in heaven? Did God really mean that even if a Christian prophesies falsely they still go to heaven? OT says they are to be stoned......you are allowing your emotions to lead you into this arena and not bible."

Hi Deadn
I heard some people prophesy that Trump would win by a landslide and I suppose that qualifies as hands down and its not clear at all that has not happened.

"Many so called prophets claimed Trump would win reelection hands down."

I have heard both what I would consider false prophets and what I would consider true prophets both say Trump would win.
So its wait and see time.If the Trump wins it doesnt make the false prophets true though ,no way,staff

Staff

It is obvious to me that you are not on stable ground when it comes to this issue or the prophetic. I am concerned for you as a result. Maybe you are looking for the best in people? I am that way but I also realize that taking God's Name in vain is a serious offense and we would do well to heed that call. In reference to the false prophetic voice here is another scripture, from the NT, we should not dismiss otherwise we would be foolish. Cling to orthodoxy and not foolish wisdom

Matthew 7:22
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?

Staff-

If one year from now Biden is still president, what will you say about these prophets?

Did God send a lying spirit as he has been known to do? If so, why?

Or were these "prophets” simply expressing wishful thinking- like many of us do? Of course the problem is that they say "God told me...”.

Or perhaps they were simply using the old WOF "name it and claim it” chestnut; ie speaking something into existence.

ADD: This is not to say that I have lost all hope and I do indulge in wishful thinking on this issue. My prayer has been that if fraud has been committed that the Spirit of Truth will not tolerate it being hidden and that a miracle will occur. But we have to face the fact that it might not.

Hi TMK ,
You obviously didnt read my post at all.
Ive been clear all along .You can have Christians who commit a sin or perhaps you think otherwise?
Prophesying the wrong thing is a sin ,its wrong and you will have consequences
I am a rapture believing Christian ,I am very hard on the extreme wing of the pentecostal Church who are obviously building empires instead of Gods Kingdom.However their are many Christians just as holy as the persecuted Church types and diligent in being biblical who are still saying Trump will prevail.These deserve to be listened to and not dismissed out of hand and are being lumped into the quakery end of the pentecostal Church.
No matter how this comes out I will never believe that this was a free and fair election and the Biden got more votes than Trump.If people prophesied wrongly their will be consequences no doubt about that but all some SI members have done is say the same things that CNN ,MSNBC etc have said and have offered no insight from God at all,ufortunately dry as the Sahara desert mid summer,staff

Hi DeadN.
If one end of the Christian Church today are the false prophets who are kooky then the other equally false end is the persecuted church who are so spiritually dry and pay lip service to Church giftings but are really about putting people under the law,a gospel of grace without the grace .
Prophesying falsely is a sin ,taking the lords name in vain is a sin no doubt but we dont stone people to death these days .Many Christians have committed serious offences but their is a remedy for that the blood of the lamb which is open to all who sin,urs staff

//.However their are many Christians just as holy as the persecuted Church types and diligent in being biblical who are still saying Trump will prevail.//

Who? Just curious.

Hi TMK

Marcus Rogers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB0puAgPvh0

Open Heaven Church June and November 7th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d5Qw4F3Nlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vntlu3A2j0&t=80s

Veronika West

https://www.hiskingdomprophecy.com/america-and-the-trump-biden-poker-game/

urs staff

Man- I don’t know Staff.

The lady talks about having God given dreams that has Biden and Trump playing poker.

That strikes me as rather red-flaggish.

Hi TMK
Thats the way God gives dreams and visions
For instance it cant be anymore redflaggish than this vision

Peter Has a Vision

9 Around noon the next day, while they were on their way and coming close to the town, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became very hungry and wanted to eat, and while the food was being prepared, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven open and something like a large linen sheet coming down, being lowered by its four corners to the ground. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals, reptiles, and birds of the air.

OR
Crazy Joseph that heretic in the old testament who had a dream that had symbols

Dreaming about Joseph's dream of the stars - Genesis 37:1
When Joseph, son of Jacob, shared with his 11 brothers the dream he had of his bundle of grain standing upright while theirs bowed down to him, they grew jealous. By sharing another dream in which the sun, moon, and 11 stars bowed down to him

But you can say the same about any dream or vision in the bible that they are redflaggish?

The woman in the video didnt say anything unbiblical and most dreams and visions are highly symbolic .
So unless you are willing to say the bible dreams are outlandish then I wont say the same about this woman either,so that we would not have double standards
urs staff

Hi TMK
To her defence I would say that in August of last year when it looked impossible that brexit would happen and that the forces of darkness would win she said that in a vision or dream that the Queen of England would give the Prime Minister Boris Johnson an election in 4 months.Again the dream was in symbols about a chair with 4 legs each being a month.
That didnt look likely at all but in December their was the first Christmas election in I think over 100 years and it broke the deadlock and made Brexit a reality,
So if a prophet gets it wrong then we are not to listen to that person but equally if they get it right then you have to lend an attentive ear to what they are saying,urs staff

Hi again ,
the Australian video is very interesting and specifially he pointed out to watch "Wisconsin" that was in June and now Amy Coney Barret is over the circuit that houses Wisconsin.
Veronicka West also said that God would take George Soros suddenly (she said this September) and another woman totally unrelated said the we needed to pray for his soul as God told her "his hours are numbered " and that was last week I think .
My point is these things are out their and can be verified easily ,all these people love the lord and study the bible diligently and pray diligently .Also these people are not a money making show machine but have genuine hearts urs staff

But Staff- George Soros is 90 years old. It doesn’t take a prophet or even a reasonably bright person to surmise that his days are numbered.

Believe me I hope what they are saying is true.

Can’t we just pray that God will expose the truth without regard to what the "prophets” are saying?

In other words, why must we rely on "prophets” when they may or may not be correct?

Hi TMK
But ur missing the point ,two people said it would happen one in october who said he would suddenly be taken and the other said his hours are numbered not his days are numbered ,his hours are numbered.She felt that that would mean 2020.
Their are no reports of his health but these people meet a couple of criteria,they love the lord and believe what they are saying is true.
Even though he is 90 it would be a huge coincidence if it happened in the coming weeks you would have to say even an amazing guess,
The other thing is that these things are verifiable.
I would say this that the bible clearly says if these things dont come to pass then the prophet has talked presumptively and we should not listen to them .My hope is not in Prophets but in Christ ,not in Donald Trump but in Christ but i will give them their correct place and I wont throw out the bathwater til i am sure that there is no baby in it.

These people are putting themselves out there so lets see ,they have encouraged me to keep praying for the situation which i wouldnt have done if they hadnt spoken and I do realize completely that the pentecostal movement needs a clean up and many people are not genuinely looking out for Gods kingdom but for their own little castles of clay .urs staff

These self-professed prophets and dreamers "putting themselves out there" as you say, surely are "out there!"

And, as you said, they've put themselves out there!

They're so far "out there", I don't think that they're coming back.

When I think of Peter and his vision you mention, and all the others we read about in our Bible who had a vision or dream, whether it be Jeremiah or Ezekiel, John or Paul, Isaiah or Daniel, or Joseph etc., I realize that discerning of spirits has all but disappeared in the majority of professing believers.

It's no wonder that as the world watches on, they don't take the christian faith seriously.

Quote: That strikes me as rather red-flaggish.

Ezekiel - I have read that some rabbi's wont let there students read the book if the are under 30 because of the explicit sexual language - red-flaggish?

Ezekiel’s trances and visions of wheels with eyes, four-faced creatures with human hands and wings, and strange crystalline architectures in the sky were so intense that it has been suggested he suffered from form of psychosis - red-flaggish?

The style of Ezekiel’s preaching was almost as unusual as its content. After starting his prophetic career by eating a scroll given to him by God - red-flaggish?

Lying on his side for 430 days to symbolise the number of years the people of Israel and Judah had spent in sin red-flaggish?

On another occasion, Ezekiel had a vision ordering him to cook his food over human excrement, to symbolise the desperate state the Jews would be reduced to. This proved too much for even Ezekiel, who managed to persuade God to let him use cow dung instead - red-flaggish?

The most shocking passage tells of how Ezekiel refused to mourn his beloved wife’s death. When the people asked why, he responded that greater suffering was in store than the loss of his wife and advised that the people should bear it bravely, without giving in to grief - red-flaggish?

Hi Savvannah,
Produce scripture or describe the difference between modern Christians using symbols and former Christians using symbols if you can.
Has God double standards?
Can he not communicate with beleivers any way he wants or will he have to check in with SI members before he does something miraclous?
Discerning of the spirits is in it self a supernatural occurrance ,are their any other super natural occurances that are not allowed ?
If what they say is true then it will happen and if not then they have prophesied falsely ,the bible is clear,lets wait and see,ur staff

Hi
Just some news I heard
Michigan Supreme court have said they are troubled and concerned about allegations of voter fraud and have said they want an independant audit of the vote
Nevada Judge has asked Republicans to present their evidence of voter fraud
Michigan ,PA and Arizona Legislature are holding open hearings starting in the next few days which will have presentations of evidence such as avidavits.
Sydney Powell to put forward her case in Georgia today as well,
Also Arizona's vote lead has gone from 14000 to 4200 as of a few hours ago ,a memory stick with not counted ballots i think was found would you believe it lol of course you would.
So its not over yet ,lets pray the right and that God's Justice will be served,urs staff

Colin-

I knew somebody was going to bring up things like Ezekiel but there is a stark difference- Ezekiel was an undisputed true OT prophet of God.

Quote: I knew somebody was going to bring up things like Ezekiel but there is a stark difference- Ezekiel was an undisputed true OT prophet of God.

So how did Ezekiel become an undisputed true OT prophet of God?

Ravenhill said "The prophet in his day is fully accepted of God and totally rejected by men" he also said "The prophet is violated during his ministry, but he is vindicated by history.

Quote: Sydney Powell to put forward her case in Georgia today as well.

I was listening to the guy who is supplying the information to Sidney Powell about Dominion Voting systems, his name is Patrick Byrne, the former CEO of Overstock.com

Patrick described a network of hackers and tech experts who have been reverse engineering Dominion-style election software and have identified how you are able to perform voter fraud.

Info here if you want to read it
https://www.deepcapture.com/2020/11/election-2020-was-rigged-the-evidence/

Hi
Public hearings ,be prepared to be shocked by the witnesses urs staff

LIVE: Pennsylvania State Legislature Holds Public Hearing on 2020 Election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSDZkXxFVEU

//Ravenhill said "The prophet in his day is fully accepted of God and totally rejected by men" he also said "The prophet is violated during his ministry, but he is vindicated by history//

What kind of prophet was Ravenhill talking about? Biblical prophets?

I don’t think he was talking about YouTube prophets.

"...lets wait and see,ur staff"

For the record, I've not buckled insofar as having been persuaded from day 1 that Trump may very well remain in the WH.

I'm certain that Trump did win the election, and that, by a landslide.

But when someone removes the queen on the chessboard with sleight of hand, unawares to all the watching spectators, and then declares checkmate and is awarded the championship, he may be the winner by all appearances.

But when they check the surveillance camera in slow motion, the gamechanger is reckoned with.

So it may be in the coming weeks with this election. But I don't need these so-called prophets to tell me that God told them thus and so.

If you research some of the prophesies from these people you'll realize that they're false prophets. All it takes is to be wrong once.

I've heard many a time, "God told me", but then it didn't come to pass.

If a false prophet gets it right 9 out of 10 times, he's still a false prophet.

I, and everyone else, will just have to 'wait and see'.

Hi Savannah,
I think the problem is that many on SI( not saying you now )but many pay lip service to Gifts like prophesy but not when it actually is in operation .They immediately begin to say well "we keep to the bible" and "we are more sincere" kinda of attitude.For most they complain about false Prophets but what they are actually complaining about is Prophesy.They can give examples of false prophets but they cant give an example of any the approve of.
They also have an incorrect attitude towards dreams and visions but particularly dreams.

They completely throw the baby out with the bathwater solely because their is a kooky end to the Pentecostal movement that are only interested in themselves and a big show.
They cant at all see past that and tar everyone with the same brush.Also remember God can use anyone to bring about his purposes including Joe Biden and Kooky Pentecostals but I think this election is about Gods Justice and his Honour.

But the main thing you said that is correct its "wait and see" because thats exactly what the bible says if they speak persumptively dont listen to them ,
yours staff

Staff-

For me at least it may be a question of terminology.

I certainly believe there "prophetic” people as I have known several. But they were not prophetic because they made prophecies of the future, but because of their anointing. It is hard to exactly pinpoint what I mean but when you are in the presence of a prophetic person you know it.

I do believe in the gifts of the Spirit and the five fold ministry. I have seen words of knowledge in operation that are amazing.

But for some reason I don’t think that "future telling” prophets are what Paul had in mind in describing the five fold ministry. I think he had in mind what I am talking about above.

Hi TMK ,
The problem with that is that Jesus "future told" alot and you are limiting God to what and what he cannot communicate to his believers and by what means he chooses to do so.

I still think its baby and bathwater.Why ?If their were no charletons or exploiters for personal gain then no one would have a problem with people future telling,Christians who were genuine Lord loving believers.Its fear as well that make poeple cautious .
John on patamos future told alot but we dont throw him out of the bath,urs staff