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Revival is coming Prophetic word from Kenneth Hagin

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EAGLEFLYING

Brothers and Sister
Revival is coming.. we MUST BELIEVE WE MUST FAST REPENT AND PRAY.. GOD IS COMING WITH SUDDENLIES..
I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE
IN JESUS
Sister Frannie
Kenneth E. Hagin Prophetic Word
March 16, 2021

Word of the Lord given through Kenneth E. Hagin, Prayer Seminar, April 28, 1983

"In this move, in this move, in this move that is about to come, and even you’re on the edge of it right now. It will not be altogether something new that you’ve never seen. It’ll be a combination of EVERYTHING you’ve seen put together and then…plus a little bit more.

In this move of God that is just about to spring upon you, there will be a manifestation of casting out demons that you haven’t seen yet. Now some have drawn back from casting out demons. And the Spirit of God said, "I began a move along that line a few years ago and men aborted the move, they mixed some of their own thinking in on it and they tried to control it, and do it according to pattern. And according the way that we THINK it ought to be done.” But you haven’t seen anything yet of what you’re going to see in dealing with demons.

For demons are let loose upon the earth, they’re going about as never before. Because they know their time is short! And so in this multiplication, this advance of demon activity there will be the activity of the Holy Ghost. Demons that have harassed men, demons that have held ministries in check will leave. And you have not seen yet what you will see in the area of dealing with demons, casting out demons; exercising authority over demons, and we’re about to step into it. Like you’d step through a door into another room.

And secondly, saith the Spirit of God, "You have not seen the revival of divine healing that you’re about to see.”
Oh yes you saw those that I raised up. You’ve seen men and women, mightily used of My Spirit. I sent them forth as a pilot program to try to train you. But many just looked at them and lifted them up, and some of them were lifted up in pride and the anointing left them. And some became money minded and lost the anointing.

But there will arise a group in this day that’s a brand-new breed. They’ll not be greedy of filthy lucre. They’ll not be wanting to attract attention unto themselves. They would care less whether God uses me. They’d rather God would use you. And God will not just use ministers, He’ll use laymen.
And there’ll be a revival of divine healing such as you have not seen in your lifetime, or read about, or heard about, saith the Lord!

And a revival of the supernatural, not only the supernatural in casting out devils. Not only the supernatural in healing the sick. Not only the supernatural in speaking with other tongues. But the supernatural in the realm of the seen realm.

Men will see the Glory of God, a cloud will hang over certain congregations, even the church building for days at a time. And everybody that passes by, sinner and saint alike will say, "Well what in the world is that? I’ve never seen anything like that.”

And there will be in other places, the fire of the Spirit…Oh yes, in the spirit realm some of us have seen it. In the spirit realm we’ve been conscious of the fire of God. But the fire will actually come into manifestation. And there’ll be people, sinners as well as saints, that will see fire all over the heads of the people.
There will be people driving down the street, or down the highway and they’ll see fire on top of the buildings. And they’ll come and say, "What does all this mean?”

But you see the Lord will use signs of His Presence to bring people in the last days, into the fullness of His Spirit, and into full salvation.

And signs, signs! What kinds of signs?

Miraculous things in the realm of the Spirit! And then they’ll be manifested in the realm of the physical. And the Glory of God will fall. And the power of God will be in manifestation. And men will ””and women too, will even be transported like Philip was and found in another place. And great! GREAT! GREAT! Shall be the reward thereof.

For the Lord God is the same God today as He was yesterday. His power has not diminished. And His Name is still the same. Today He can make the iron axe-head to float. Today He can divide the river just for two men to cross over on the other side. Today He can feed five thousand with a little boy’s lunch. He is the Miracle Working God.

Brag on Him! Lift Him up! Draw attention unto Him! Tell about how great He is. Get up in faith and tell what great things He’s going to do. And He’ll move and keep His Word with you! And MANY shall be astonished.

But the greatest miracle of all is that there’ll be so many fish caught in the net that the nets can’t hold them. There won’t be church houses enough to hold the people. For the purpose of it all is that you may be fishers of men. Hallelujah! Quit fishing, quit fishing in your bathtub. There’s not any fish in your own bathtub. Go out where the fish are and throw out the net. Not the hook””the NET! And pull it in. And bring them in.

And the glory of the Lord shall shine. And the end time shall come. And you’ll stand in the place of ministry that you’ve not stood in before. And will stand in the place that’s been ordained for you from the foundation of the earth!

And if it were to be ”” if it could…if it could… if it could be told you. If we were able to tell you in human language that which will transpire in some of your lives, your mind would not be able to comprehend it. It would almost blow your mind. But you’ll see it! You’ll rejoice in it! You’ll be glad of it!

It’s just out there a little ways in front of you. Be faithful, be joyous, and rejoice in the Lord always. And He’ll bring it to pass.
Many shall go and tell the story, and His great Glory show. The power of God in manifestation shall be the gifts of the Spirit…the manifestation of His Spirit.

Into full potential shall come the ministry gifts, the apostle and prophet, the evangelist, and pastor and teacher too….Shall flow as one, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha…one body, in one spirit shall go forth to conquer and to do His deeds. And great shall be the reward thereof.

Thank Him! Glory to God. Now let me give you a further word of wisdom and advice.
Being conscious of a mighty move in your spirit, wanting and desiring to do the will of God…but DON’T try to do it yourself.

Just learn to relax and to flow with the Spirit. Don’t try to figure it out in your head, "What does He want me to do?”
Just learn to relax and flow with the Spirit. It’ll take care of itself; you don’t have to worry.

You see moving into that place of ministry or whatever it is, whether it’s full time ministry, or pulpit ministry, or personal ministry, or whatever your place is in the Body of Christ””moving into that place is fueled by prayer, fired by the Spirit and ignited with His Glory.

But you see if there’s no fuel there, there’s nothing to ignite.

You see it’s like the furnace. There’s a pilot light there that fires the thing. And then, when the whole thing has become ignited then the heat flows out. Ha, ha, ha, can you see what He’s saying? Fueled by prayer, fired by the Spirit, ignited with His Glory. Hallelujah.

You see, if there’s no fuel there, there’s nothing to fire. If there’s no fuel, there’s nothing to fire. Fueled by prayer. Hallelujah!

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billy1980

This spoke to me sister. I do not know the brother, but I received many confirmations from this post through the Holy Spirit. Thank you...and amen.

"Just learn to relax and to flow with the Spirit. Don’t try to figure it out in your head, "What does He want me to do?” Just learn to relax and flow with the Spirit. It’ll take care of itself; you don’t have to worry."

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TMK

So is this purported prophecy from 1983?

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billy1980

I’m not sure about that TMK. I do know what I wrote a brother last night though. This confirms what I’m being led to do. Praise God! He still talks to us through His Word and even old messages, through His Holy Spirit, to confirm what He has revealed to us! :)

Wrote last night...

"There is much concerning spiritual gifts I'm about as knowledgeable in as a second grader concerning experientially. I have learned that the way I use to write messages by intense study I have had to throw to the wayside, it's not in His plans for me. My inward desire is to walk with our triune God as many before us have . Whatever He decides to do that is His concern, and unlike when I was younger I don't concern myself with my then silly fantasies of Him using me and how He would. He has allowed me to see now in His mercy and grace that it is His will, His ministry, His empowering, His Holy Spirit, and Christ life. I'm just seeking to be an empty vessel and watch what He does. No running around like when I was a younger zealous brother, instead He seems to be trying to teach me to just rest and pray in His presence.”

"The thought comes to my mind about the potter and the clay. God's in control, I only hinder his process when I try to direct Him in how to shape me. How many times this piece of clay has jumped from His pottery table, tried to direct His hands, and tell Him how to shape me. I cannot count. Now after strong disciplinary action. I know to sit still, abide and let the Greatest potter in the universe have His way with His clay. We must learn to rest/abide in Him I believe. Perhaps one of a few tough things for us to learn through Him. I have hope through Christ and the longsuffering Holy Spirit, Father will teach us both.”

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savannah


"Just learn to relax and to flow with the Spirit."

Yea...this guy relaxed as the bucks flowed in from unsuspecting, undiscerning supporters.

He didn't flow with God's Spirit, he slithered like a snake from under a rock.

Anyone who is interested may want to watch the content in the link below. It was produced by the ministry of
Joseph Chambers (born January 19, 1936). He is a Classical Pentecostal and has authored six books. He has written over 185 booklets, and made over 18 videos on various Christian related subjects, including a video series with an exposé on Benny Hinn, Kenneth Hagin, and The False Anointing.

He was ordained as a minister of the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee). Since 1968, Chambers has been senior pastor of Paw Creek Ministries (formerly Paw Creek Church of God) in Charlotte, North Carolina.

https://youtu.be/jdzSseghu58

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TMK

From the OP

//Word of the Lord given through Kenneth E. Hagin, Prayer Seminar, April 28, 1983//

I agree that KH is on exceedingly shaky ground credibility wise and otherwise.

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narrowpath

Dear sister Frannie, I know you pray earnestly for revival and I do not want to pour cold water over you, but there is better material available on revival out there which you had posted.

I used to gobble up books from KH but chucked them away some years back. He has a solid old school pentecostal background and became a leader of the Word of Faith movement. I used to drink it all in. There is truth with error mixed together which makes it even more dangerous.

Did the predicted revival happen?

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AbideinHim

I am well familiar with Kenneth Hagin and his teachings, And while I do not agree with everything that he said, I can say that he was a man that lived by the Word of God and walked in the Spirit. He also brought correction to those that got in error on the prosperity gospel in a book that he wrote "The Midas Touch.” He met with the well known faith teachers in Tulsa and rebuked the error that had crept into the faith teaching.

"Let us prove all things and holdfast to that which is good”

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sermonindex


I do agree with brethren's estimations here, Kenneth Hagin is not a individual or ministry we promote at all on SermonIndex or endorse. Many of his teachings are borderline heretical, he is known as the father of the word-faith movement.

Though he might have spoken against some extremes in the prosperity movement he did teach prosperity and seed faith and look at the fruit of these teachings today.

I would caution any saints to delve into this ministry at all. We all have a heart for revival, but our desperation for revival cannot substiutute our love for the truth.

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AbideinHim

Greg, could you please tell me the teachings that you are referring to that are borderline heretical?

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savannah

Testimony of former follower -

I sat under the teaching of Kenneth Hagin for fourteen years. Over these years I read most of his writings, attended his school, sat in his classes and listened to hundreds of his sermons on both CD and tape.

Nothing in my experience as a Christian has damaged me more. I am not alone. Millions of others have been led a stray by this very popular and false teacher who has reproduced himself in other ministers such as Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Copeland, Mark Hankins, Frederick Price, Michael Murdock and Joyce Meyers.

His teachings are extremely dangerous because of four basic reasons:

1) He teaches Scripture out of context. He only uses Scripture to fit his doctrines and stories. Not reading Scripture in the context of which it was written is the fastest way into error.

2) Many of his writings were stolen from EW Kenyon. Kenneth Hagin plagiarized massive amounts of Kenyon’s writings. EW Kenyon started out as a Free Will Baptist, but became a passionate student of Christian Science and New Age teachings. He attended a New Age college and was seen at many lectures. He blended Christianity with New Age, Christian Science and Eastern Religion. Hagin then plagiarized these writings for years.

3) Kenneth Hagin also taught the Bible in light of the eight visitations that he claimed to have received from Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith also claimed extra revelations. Kenneth Hagin taught for decades, using his claimed visions to back up his spin on Scriptures. The Apostle Paul warned against this in the First Chapter of Galatians. Hagin taught on many things which are never taught in Scripture.

4) Kenneth Hagin claimed to be a Prophet and claimed to have been to Heaven and Hell where he received special revelation and instruction from Jesus. Kenneth Hagin would warn his students and followers with many horror stories and testimonies from those who would not receive him. This has resulted in thousands of honest and sincere Christians to become brainwashed and manipulated. The Word of Faith has become a dangerous cult that controls it’s members with spiritual intimidation and erroneous, manipulative teaching from Scripture that has been twisted out of its intended context.

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Platy

#2 is correct. He plagiarized E.W. Kenyon's work who was a new age guy or predecessor to it.

See "A Different Gospel" by D.R. McConnell (a pentecostal scholar).

I've only read the first few chapters of the book but that was enough for me. In one of the chapters he "copies and pastes" E.W. Kenyon's writings and then does the same with Hagin's writings. It is literally word for word. You can see it for yourself. Kenyon's daughter was upset because Hagin took credit for her father's work.

So we can also add dishonesty into the picture here. And this man is considered the father of the word of faith movement.

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AbideinHim

You can always find critics of Kenneth Hagin, but there are many more that have bee greatly helped by his teachings. I have been to many of his camp meetings in Tulsa, and I know what he teaches. He was very knowledgeable of the Word of God, and was led by the Spirit. I am not defending those faith teachers that did get in error. I am in contact with many pastors and leaders, elders that speak with authority and they will tell you that Kenneth Hagin had a great positive influence in their life. I can say the same. I don’t get my information from the heresy hunters, but from the Word and the Spirit, and having walked with the Lord for 48 years now.

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TMK

But Mike how can you justify what is seen in the video that Savannah posted? It’s absurd and possibly evil.

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dolfan

The trouble with us is that we've preached a 'cross' religion, and we need to preach a 'throne' religion. By that I mean that people have thought they were supposed to remain at the cross. Some have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, have backed up to the cross, and have stayed there ever since...The cross is actually a place of defeat, whereas the Resurrection is a place of triumph. When you preach the cross, you're preaching death, and you leave people in death.
Book: by Kenneth E Hagin entitled: The Believer's Authority, page 16 Published: 1986.


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Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

And

1 Cor. 1:23,24 "...we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”


"The believer is as much an incarnation of God as Jesus Christ ... If we ever wake up and realize who we are, we'll start doing the work that we're supposed to do. Because the church hasn't realized yet that they are Christ. That's who they are. They are Christ.
Book: by Hagin entitled: The Incarnation, The Word of Faith, cited in Christianity in Crisis, p. 175/397 Published: December 1980.


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Matthew 24:23. " At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!' or, `There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.”

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savannah

David Wilkerson warned of such men as KH -

https://youtu.be/r3nIgImgfY8

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dolfan

I know about Hagin. I understand his error.

I also know about Mike. I understand his testimony and witness as much as one can on a message board. Mike is not Hagin.

I love what I know of Mike.

God bless Mike in your walk.

May all of us have Col. 3:16 kind of day. :)

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TMK

I agree Tim.

I have no personal criticisms of Mike.

I may be a little over sensitive because we were involved in a fellowship that got very weird with the sort of things seen in the video and when we talked to leadership about our concerns it fell on totally deaf ears like we were the ones with the problem.

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dolfan

Hey Todd, I know. 😎 I just wanted Mike to know when I contrast Hagin to the Bible it is about Hagin not him. One of my closest, dearest friends whom I trust with every spiritual bone in me likes Hagin too.

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savannah


Who cares who likes who! This is not about personalities.

The question ought to be, does God like so-and-so!

KH may have been possessed by spirits, not the Holy Spirit. Not much different than BH (Benny Hinn).

Talk about a slight lack in discernment...eeek!

I'd say that 48 days after a conversion to Christ, one would know an ace of spades from a queen of hearts, and who The Joker is!

Now if we turn those days into years, we ought to be a shark by now...but WOW is me! At this point, we've reached the point of no return.

Like the atheist who was being presented with evidence of God said when he was asked how much evidence he needed, replied "no amount of evidence could make me believe."

It's like waving a telephone pole before the eyes of a blind man.

O' Happy Day 🙂

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dolfan

Savannah, in all kindness I would say you are tilting at windmills.

No one said truth doesn’t matter. But mercy triumphs judgment ””- and that is the truth ””- and there’s no cause for anyone here to sit in judgment of anyone about anything in this thread.

I’m happy for you and your vigilance, though.

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savannah

"...tilting at windmills."

This post reveals how men like KH and BH can go so far. It's like ignoring the cancer in your body, and then wondering why your body is being consumed, is so weak, and is nigh unto death.

This is why the Jim Jones' of this world can convince the masses to drink Kool-Aid and re-locate to Guyana.

As in politics, the whistle-blowers are labeled as conspiracy theorists. So here, men take Scripture like James 2:13 out of context to call the David Wilkerson's and the Paul Washer's of the world unloving.

Paul the apostle, the prophets, John the Baptist, and Jesus Himself were of a different mind concerning false prophets, false teachers, and deceivers.

Read their scathing remarks recorded in Scripture.

But Jeremiah's words are just as fitting in our day as they were in his;


"Something horrible and shocking is going on in the land. The prophets prophesy lies.The priests exercise power by their own authority. And my people love to have it this way. But they will not be able to help you when the time of judgment comes! Jer. 5:31,32

Let those who persecute me be put to shame, but as for me, let me not be put to shame; Let them be dismayed, but let me not be dismayed. Bring on them a day of disaster, And crush them with twofold destruction!
Jer. 17:18

Men today are no longer men. They refuse to throw the Jezebel's from the cliff. So we have it. Men in the church courting Jezebel, and giving her a tour of the church. As in the NT book of The Revelation where Jesus Himself says, "...you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. Even though I have given her time to repent of her immorality, she is unwilling.

Behold, I will cast her onto a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her will suffer great tribulation unless they repent of her deeds. Then I will strike her children dead, and all the churches will know that I am the One who searches minds and hearts, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. Rev. 2:20-23

So tell Jesus, Paul, and the prophets how unloving they are while you're at it. Tell them how they ought to be like you and be more loving and merciful, and not so judgmental.

And Peter may also be added to your list of the unloving, unmerciful, judgmental ones;

Peter said to him, "May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could acquire God’s gift with money! You have no share or part in this matter because your heart is not right before God! Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that he may perhaps forgive you for the intent of your heart. For I see that you are bitterly envious and in bondage to sin.” Acts 8:20-23

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sermonindex

David Wilkerson warned of such men as KH -

https://youtu.be/r3nIgImgfY8

Brethren,

Watching this video makes it clear the fruits of these doctrines. Have we tears for such blasphemies against our Lord and the Gospel?

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AbideinHim

10 Ways Where Word Of Faith Movement Went Wrong:
By Joseph Mattera:


As a product of the Word of Faith movement in the early 1980s, I will forever be indebted to the books and teachings of Kenneth Hagin Sr., Smith Wigglesworth, John G. Lake, T.L. Osborn and the like. These were holy men of integrity who turned the world upside down with their faith and teaching.

I learned how to pray for the sick by reading Osborn’s book Healing the Sick, and I learned how to resist the devil by reading Hagin’s The Believer’s Authority. In reading many biographies of Smith Wigglesworth, I have always been challenged by his utter consecration to Christ and to walk in the light of His Word whether in or out of the pulpit. I shudder to think where I would be right now if not for being influenced by these men and this movement.

That being said, as I continued to grow in the Lord and His Word, I saw several flaws in the teaching and in the movement in general. This article is not meant to dampen anyone’s faith but to bring a more balanced picture of the ways of God ”” especially since many have been discouraged in this movement because they did not understand the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27) and did not have a theology that included certain things that challenged their faith.

I have found that whenever we preach or emphasize one truth of God’s Word to the exclusion of the others, it becomes a mixture and produces both good and bad fruit. For example, this has happened with the hypergrace movement, as well as the view of hyperfaith. From an overemphasis on outward holiness, we get legalism. And we come into a form of fatalism when we emphasize God’s sovereignty at the expense of human responsibility.

However, I will go on record saying that I would much rather be with people attempting to walk in faith and victory than be hanging out with depressed saints filled with unbelief and doubt. Also, like most other movements, the Word of Faith movement restored to the body of Christ a biblical truth that was neglected by the church ”” and in doing so, overemphasized it. But after several years, more balance comes as folks like myself "eat the meat and spit out the bones.” Also, I believe that Brother Hagin never approved of some of the excesses that came out of the faith camp ”” especially regarding the unbalanced teachings on prosperity that came from some of his more radical followers.

The following are some of the flaws of the Word of Faith movement from my perspective (and I realize these are generalizations that don’t fit exactly every person classified as "Word of Faith”):

1. They preach a "rights centered” gospel rather than a "stewardship centered” gospel.

Perhaps influenced by our Jeffersonian heritage of individual rights in America, the way the gospel is applied to individuals in the Word of Faith movement is based on personal rights in Christ. Although this is partially true, the New Testament balances our rights in Christ with our responsibility that goes along with these rights.

For example, in Deuteronomy 8:18, we learn that God gave believers "power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant.” This passage clearly teaches us the primary purpose of prosperity is for the Kingdom””not only for our individual comfort and pleasure. Many in the faith movement used to "claim” houses and cars and attempt to use their faith merely for their own individual needs which, in and of itself, goes against our call to seek first His Kingdom (Matthew 6:33) as a prerequisite for our individual needs and wants being fulfilled.

2. Their dispensational belief precludes the role and importance of the Old Covenant in the New Covenant age.

I heard Brother Hagin brag several times in his teaching sessions that he did not read the Old Covenant because we have a new and better covenant now in Christ. The challenge with that teaching is that he did not understand the relevance and role of the moral and civic law of God found from Exodus to Deuteronomy ”” especially the Ten Commandments that were repeated over and over again either exactly or in principle by the New Testament writers. Without the moral law of God, we have no standard for holiness and will lack the conviction of sin the moral law gives as our standard of holiness and ethics.

Furthermore, Hagin and others like him would only quote the Old Testament when convenient ”” when it comported to his view of faith. For example, he would quote Exodus 23:25, where God told the Jews He would take sickness from them, but he neglected to also teach that in order to walk in health they had to follow the strict dietary code as found in Leviticus 11. Thus, healing for the Jews included not only claiming a promise of God but also staying away from unclean food. (In my opinion, walking in physical health also involves having a healthy diet and lifestyle””or else we are tempting God by intentionally violating His natural laws and then expecting Him to heal us.)

3. They have a semi-gnostic dualism regarding their view of God.

Word of Faith preachers have a simple view of God: Everything that is good is of God, and everything bad is from the devil. While I totally agree God is a good God, sometimes He has to bring judgment or allow things to take place that in our natural minds may be interpreted as bad. What do Word of Faith preachers do with passages like Isaiah 45:7, in which God says He not only brings prosperity but also disaster? Or 2 Samuel 24:13, where God told King David to choose one of three calamities He would bring upon the land of Israel as punishment for his sin? Or Amos 3:6, which clearly says God sometimes brings disaster to a city? What about the book of Job, where God allows Satan to afflict Job physically with boils as well as bring disaster to other areas of his life?

I remember Brother Hagin teaching that Job doesn’t count in the New Testament because Job 42:10 says God turned the captivity of Job and that Luke 4:18 says Jesus set the captives free. That would all be fine, except for the fact that the book of James carries the life and story of Job into the New Testament for the church age ”” specifically, James 5:11 offers a lesson for us regarding God’s ways and dealings. (Also, without the book of Job, we have nothing to say to Christians who unexpectedly lose a loved one or experience great personal challenges and loss. Job is comforting to me as a pastor because it shows me that God is sovereign over all things ”” in both the good and the bad ”” even when it is hard to explain and understand in the natural. Furthermore, God never gave Job an explanation for why He allowed disaster to strike.)

Finally, what do Word of Faith teachers say about Revelation 2:22-23, where Jesus says that He will cast people on a bed of sickness and even strike people dead? This does not go along with the simple dualism they teach. Now, I will be the first to say that God’s general will, as revealed in the Gospels, is for divine health (see also 3 John 2) and that, in general, He always wants us healthy in spirit, soul, and body (1 Thessalonians 5:23) and that Jesus came for us to have an abundant life (John 10:10). But those in the Word of Faith movement have such a narrow view of the Word of God that they do not have any explanations for mysterious things that happen to us that challenge our faith. It is not always true that something bad happened to a person because they had sin (John 9:1-3) or that they didn’t get healed or calamity came to them because they lacked faith. Of course, the instance where Jesus brought sickness and death in Revelation 2:22-23 had to do with disobedience, which took people out from under the covering of the Lord (Psalm 91:1).

In summary, it is still generally God’s will to bring us health and prosperity in the context of obedience to His Word.

4. Positive confession sometimes leads to dishonesty and superficial Christianity.

I have been around many believers who are afraid to be honest and admit they are struggling with their faith. This brings people into bondage and even a form of superficial religion. Some believers are like robots ”” when you ask them how they are doing, they routinely say, "I am blessed and highly favored!” However, I know some of these people, and they are merely trying to keep a positive confession even though their world is falling apart.

Now, I do believe in speaking the Word of God to our challenging circumstances and not giving in to negative talk, but that is different from what James 5:16 tells us when he exhorts believers to confess their faults one to another. Positive confession is good and biblical (Proverbs 18:21) as long as it doesn’t stop a person from getting pastoral counsel and being honest with fellow believers when they need prayer.

5. Their view on prosperity is only based on giving.

While it is true that the Bible teaches we reap what we sow and that if we give, it will be given back to us (Luke 6:38), one of the flaws of the Word of Faith movement is that it only teaches people one side of prosperity. I believe the church needs to equip the saints not only to give but also to get, as well as how to manage what they get while investing and saving for the future.

When we only teach the saints how to give, we limit the amount of creativity and blessing some people can experience ”” because without combining giving with hard work, education, and an understanding of how to manage and create a budget, many folks will continue in cycles of poverty even though they may experience elements of God’s provision based on their giving. God can only bless in proportion to our ability to manage what He gives us!

In poor countries, I have found that when the only solution presented to the people for breaking poverty is "giving to the church,” the only person who becomes prosperous is the preacher. In the Kingdom of God, the church is called to have a more empowering and holistic approach in regard to prosperity and breaking cycles of poverty.

6. They have faith in their faith as a principle rather than it emanating out of the person of Christ.

I have found in many instances where this movement presented faith almost as an impersonal force, like the law of gravity. This led to teachings like "having faith in your faith.” When this is taught, it can disconnect faith from intimacy with the Lord. The more I get to know a person, the more I can trust them. Faith is not a force. It is a result of growing in simple trust based on growing in an experiential knowledge of the Lord. Faith is relational. It is not an impersonal force.

7. Some pastors have modeled their church preaching after these "specialists” in the body.

Brother Hagin, T.L. Osborn, Smith Wigglesworth and the like were not typical pastors called to oversee a flock. Thus, they were able to preach based on their primary assignment, which was faith and healing. The challenge is, many pastors who don’t understand this began to mimic these great men of God and attempted to build congregations only around those three themes: faith, prosperity, and healing. That is OK if you are a traveling teacher or evangelist, but a congregation needs to have a balanced diet of the Word that includes the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27).

A pastor needs to preach on healing but also holiness; faith but also tests and trials; moving mountains but also marriage; giving financially but also stewardship and hard work. I love preaching on faith and healing, but as a pastor I often had to preach subjects I really did not have a great passion for but knew others needed to hear to fully mature in the Lord.

8. It can put guilt and bondage on believers.

I have heard of many people who walk around in guilt because they are not healed or because they are struggling financially. In some cases, I have even heard of famous faith preachers who checked into a hospital under a different name so word would not get out that they were sick and under a doctor’s care!

We need to have a culture of faith in our churches, but we also have to engender a culture of humility, honesty, and brokenness ”” admitting that we don’t always walk in victory over sin and sickness as well as making allowances for mystery. The fact is, we don’t always understand why certain things happen to believers. (See again the book of Job.)

9. It can produce independent, narcissistic believers.

When the Word of Faith movement went from a stewardship-centered gospel to a rights-centered gospel, it also attracted many self-focused people ”” people who used God as an excuse for their lavish lifestyles and who frowned upon those living in simplicity. Unfortunately, this teaching often appealed to the narcissistic tendencies in all of us, and many large ministries were built more upon the American Dream of having a nice house and a nice car than upon taking up our cross and following Jesus. Jesus said in Luke 14:33 that we have to lose everything in order to be His disciple, but many in this movement only focus on what we gain. Truly, you can’t be resurrected until you first go to the cross!

10. It is not connected to the cultural mandate of Genesis 1:28.

Last but not least, the Word of Faith movement did not go far enough. Instead of limiting faith to merely believing for individual healing and health, the Word of God teaches that our faith should also transform whole cities and subdue kingdoms! (See Isaiah 61:4 and Hebrews 11:33.) The gospel is a blueprint to disciple and baptize whole people groups, not just individuals (Matthew 28:19-20). It not only deals with individual sinners but systemic evil. The Word of Faith movement, though, brings faith for individual victory but doesn’t say much about corporate victory. However, regarding the community of believers, faith is also based on the corporate culture and anointing of a congregation. (First Corinthians 11:27-32 and Hebrews 3-4 teach that whole congregations can be negatively affected by a culture of unbelief or disobedience.)

The Word of Faith movement in general separated the gospel from the Kingdom and, in doing so, made it more about individual prosperity than societal transformation. When you separate the gospel from the Kingdom you tend to become more self-focused because the Good News gets disconnected from our responsibility to steward the earth. With the gospel of the Kingdom, we believe in individual, congregational, and societal transformation!

Finally, I believe with all of my heart that there was more good than bad in the Word of Faith movement and that it was God’s intention that biblical faith for the supernatural be restored back to the church. All of us only know in part and see through a glass darkly ”” even the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 13:9,12). Consequently, it often takes years for the body of Christ to discern how to have balance when old truths are restored. One of the keys to life is balance ”” and biblical balance cannot come until we attempt to embrace the whole counsel of God!

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AbideinHim


"However, I will go on record saying that I would much rather be with people attempting to walk in faith and victory than be hanging out with depressed saints filled with unbelief and doubt. Also, like most other movements, the Word of Faith movement restored to the body of Christ a biblical truth that was neglected by the church ”” and in doing so, overemphasized it. But after several years, more balance comes as folks like myself "eat the meat and spit out the bones.” Also, I believe that Brother Hagin never approved of some of the excesses that came out of the faith camp ”” especially regarding the unbalanced teachings on prosperity that came from some of his more radical followers.”

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MrBillPro

There are a lot of WOF ministries on this earth, and there are a lot of great pastors that preach the Bible the only true word of God. My response to any Pastor's ministry is, his sheep are just as responsible as the Pastor is, because if they're reading their Bibles, they would know if their Pastor is preaching the true word of God.

I do know that Paul said in 1 Timothy 5:19”“20 "Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear".

I personally think this is the right way to expose any false teacher, when we do name a false teacher, it’s best to do it in a setting where you do more than name drop. You explain the error, you give reasons for rejecting it, you communicate complexities, you set a tone of longing for truth and love, you’re not just slinging mud.

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narrowpath


[Also, I believe that Brother Hagin never approved of some of the excesses that came out of the faith camp ”” especially regarding the unbalanced teachings on prosperity that came from some of his more radical followers.]

This is simply untrue. Hagin was really into the laughing revival as this vid shows

https://youtu.be/X2V7KbbfRHA


[The challenge is, many pastors who don’t understand this began to mimic these great men of God and attempted to build congregations only around those three themes: faith, prosperity, and healing. That is OK if you are a traveling teacher or evangelist, but a congregation needs to have a balanced diet of the Word that includes the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27).]

No, that is not ok for anyone.

[10. It is not connected to the cultural mandate of Genesis 1:28.

Last but not least, the Word of Faith movement did not go far enough. Instead of limiting faith to merely believing for individual healing and health, the Word of God teaches that our faith should also transform whole cities and subdue kingdoms! ]

This is kingdom dominion teaching. The only person we are to subdue is ourselves and we are to yield to God and wait for Christs return. Then will we share dominion with Christ.


I went astray after being introducted to KHs teachings, because it norished both my flesh and spirit causing me great turmoil. God lovingly chastized me through years of wilderness and setbacks.

The dilema is, you will always find truth and error mixed. No one would in their right mind would drink pure poison, but rather cool aid with hidden poison. It is by subtilty that error is introduced, before it goes into overt and blatant reversal of truths.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

I hate these teachings, but just condemnation of this movement and their followers alone does not help anyone. God did chastise me when I fell into error, but he did not condemn me. If anyone would have condemned me for falling for this movement at that time, I would have just entrenched myself deeper into it. One of my best friends who loves God, is still into this teaching and it does him damage, and I have not been able to talk him out of it yet.

It was the teaching of David Wilkerson, Art Katz, and Keith Daniel that got me out of it. In the end I dumped thousands of Dollars worth of WoF books into the garbabe bin.

On a personal note to Mike, I know you love God, and I enjoy your posts featuring T.Austin Sparks, Watchman Nee and Andrew Murray, and A.W. Tozer but I think if they were alive they would counter KH and WoF and Kingdom Dominion teaching, too.


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AbideinHim

Brother, I believe all of the Word, and by the teaching of Holy Spirit, I have been able to discard the error, and keep what is profitable and needed.

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AbideinHim

What this whole thing really reminds me of is what happens during many revivals when the Holy Spirit is moving and there are manifestations occurring such as the laughter and drunkenness. Sometimes these manifestations are counterfeited or men get in the flesh. The devil will always tempt men to go to extremes to discredit the work.

About 30 years ago I saw the mixture that was taking place in WOF, and I quit listening to the most well known WOF teachers. This is why I do not post messages by them. One of the most balanced teachers of faith and confession was Derek Prince.

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sermonindex

"However, I will go on record saying that I would much rather be with people attempting to walk in faith and victory than be hanging out with depressed saints filled with unbelief and doubt. Also, like most other movements, the Word of Faith movement restored to the body of Christ a biblical truth that was neglected by the church ”” and in doing so, overemphasized it. But after several years, more balance comes as folks like myself "eat the meat and spit out the bones.” Also, I believe that Brother Hagin never approved of some of the excesses that came out of the faith camp ”” especially regarding the unbalanced teachings on prosperity that came from some of his more radical followers.”


Brother,

I appreciate your heart to find balance on this, sermonindex has been a testimony of 19 years to seek the Word and the Spirit to come together. But there has been a line drawn against movements and men that I have felt bring an un-healthy emphasis.

We clearly see the fruit of word of faith doctrines from the 1940's onwards to the place where it is now. 95% + of all churches influenced by these teachings are in gross error. Sadly Hagin helped encourage many of the leading prosperity teachers, (some of the worst).

But brother I agree we must seek the life of the Spirit and not go into cessationism, fault-finding and other places of lifelessness.

Amen, derek prince and some others preserved as lights in the midst of all of this. We can rejoice in these things and point to the more sure word.

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Kerygma1975

The prosperity gospel and the charlatans who teach it will be weighed and found wanting. I am thankful I read SI make a clear statement there is no endorsement of such a person and the raising awareness over concern of heresy.

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EAGLEFLYING

Brothers and sisters in Jesus
As i read these posts i am saddened that you are so so together that u can criticize a brother in Christ
Kenneth Hagin was a powerful man of GOD. Did He make mistakes im sure He did. Do u make mistakes Im sure you do we all do.
As I see this plague the Corona virus i see the Lord allowed it for the church. Seems the churches were closed and most everything else was not. Some are still closed. Perhaps God is trying to get peoples attentions.. Why because GOD is speaking.
Want revival.?? your way or GODS..?? Many want it but want their opinions and programs more. Greg sorry I don't believe he was not on.
I guess you feel that way about Katherine Kuhlman also.. Im saddened to read some of these comments. The enemy sure is working here in these divisive comments. Rev 12:11 they overcome him with the BLOOD OF THE LAMB AND THE WORD OF THEIR TESTIMONY.. THE enemy accuses..
Can u not see Jesus in Kenneth Hagin.? Can you not see Jesus in me.?? My bible tells me to see JESUS in you..
But thats what the Holy Spirit has taught me..
I must wonder will you support a revival if the lord breaks your religious boxes.?? He will and He is continuing to..
Im happy i have discernment to take the meat out of the bones and to discern what is GOD and what is not. Are you going to throw the whole baby out with the bath water. Who is perfect?? I believe the wORD SAYS aLL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT Romans 3:23.
I pray each person looks at their own hearts. I pray each person repents..
I do agree we need to test the spirits Blaine always warned me of the narrow-mindedness of this forum. Do we want revival? Mans way or God's way.?
It will be Gods way when men/women get out of the way with their agendas. Greg feel free to tell me to stop posting on here.. I have discernment and so does Sid Roth he spoke and posted this and I was encouraged and will continue to wait and pray for a GOD sent revival that will break all the denominational religious walls and people will be saved. People with tattoos, ear rings in their noses.. Thats who God will minister to and by you better hold on to your hat ... and I cant wait ..
Seems Jesus had problems with the pharisees also.. I pray for Mercy for each person on this forum and in the church and for all who cannot take the meat and spit out the bones. Perfect churches perfect forum.. It just became imperfect when I arrived and You..
A daughter of the King and a member of the body of Christ.
An imperfect vessel wanting to love and saved by HIS Grace and Mercy.
God Bless you all.
In Jesus
Frannie

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EAGLEFLYING

You will never pour cold water in me because I will not let you nor will the LORD.. You are entitled to your opinion I agree to disagree
Bless u

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sermonindex

Want revival.?? your way or GODS..?? Many want it but want their opinions and programs more. Greg sorry I don't believe he was not on.
I guess you feel that way about Katherine Kuhlman also..

Dear sister,

Thankful for your heart for revival and God's working in the Church. You are right none of us have the corner on revival or how God works. We all must stay humble, see God working where we don't expect it and realize the greatest thing that hinders God's work is pride and self-sufficiency, especially a religious self-sufficiency.

I do have Kathyrn Kuhlman's sermons on SermonIndex, when I was a young Christian I was influenced by Benny Hinn and he pointed to Kathryn Kuhlman. I agree sister those who are mature can eat the meat and spit out the bones. Also God's servants have never been perfect as you alluded to.

Within all of this there is also a place for godly discerment by the Holy Spirit.

Your heart for revival sister is nothing I wanted to discourage by my comments. May God bless you.

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AbideinHim

Word of Faith: A Powerful New Revelation, The True Gospel with Errors, Or Not the Gospel At All?

From "The Line of Fire" radio broadcast

By Michael Brown

https://askdrbrown.org/library/word-faith-powerful-new-revelation-true-gospel-errors-or-not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QCM7IaUpSI

I would encourage all those that are not sure of whether the Word of Faith teachers are teaching truth or error or a mixture to listen to this discussion. This balanced teaching will prove to be helpful to you.

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brothagary

im, not indorsing Hagin, in posting this, because honestly, i don't know enough about him, but I want to encourage others to do a study on revival manifestation of the past, the welsh revival, and the first and second great awakening, remembering that the gifts of the spirit were not common in those days and people never as paul said in 1cor desired these gifts because they were taught then they ended with the canonization of the bible. So the gift of discerning of spirits was not being exercised, in any real way, and people never learned nor was it taught to cast out unclean spirits, which created a combination of spiritual manifestation, which can look real bad or confusing. . !cor12 10 to another the working of miracles, to another c prophecy, to another d the ability to distinguish between spirits, Don't think for one minute will be able to properly discern different spirits without this gift,so encourage all to seek this gift out in pray till you receive it, so that you will judge right.... please dont assume you have this gift,be 100 percent sure ..i repost..... because God has started his move the early stages of the revival have started this is been prophesied for many years god layed this on my heart about 10 years ago that there was a great awakening coming, and it is to first go down a small stream ,a small tributary , and that he would anoint only a small proportion of the greater church to pray for this great awakening and decree and declare its coming, it's about to come many Christians are going to reject this move of God because it doesn't fit their theological pattern of the way they think God should work and this has happened in every revival the goes back to the day of Pentecost gods not going to move the way most of us think he's , many people are going to call this heresy when it comes don't be one of those people and grieve the holy spirit and stand in judgement against the move of God that's about to come, study the revivals of the past look who was rejecting them there are always church members and denominations that stood against the moves of God because of what they saw is demonic manifestations which were taking place which always take place when God moves his spirit upon people don't be fooled into thinking revival doesn't have manifestations of unclean spirits,its very hard to deal with when so much of the holy spirit moving around, read Jonathan Edwards, John Wesley read their accounts , see what was happening when they preached. They weren't sure what was going on and why there was so many people falling over and there are so many outcries and weeping and wailing and don't be fooled into thinking revivals going to be a gentle move of the spirit, God will be doing his own deliverance ministry, without the help of man, this will be one of the greatest moves of the spirit and it's going to push out at every demon and unclean spirit on a massive scale don't let your theology and your doctrine get in the road of being a part of what's about to come. Don't be so rigid and denominational, gods spirit always works across denominational lines in anyone who's willing to receive his spirit and doesn't want to put gods spirit into a box , God does new things and I think every revival that's came before has always created wonder and signs and confusion, this one will be the same and too many people have labelled the moves of the holy spirit as moves of the Devil I was guilty of doing that myself being partly a calvinist, pray for the gift of the spirit of discernment so that when this move comes you won't reject it and suffer the chastisement and the pain that comes along with grieving and quenching God spirit it's coming very soon study revival now while you have the chance go back through the old books study the the journal of John Wesley study see what was happening is always going to be a mixture of the demonic and the spirit of God in one setting, and when there's a big move of God like that is very hard to control, gods spirit will be in control of casting out demons himself ,spirit of God will make these manifestations common and then people will label the whole move of God as a demonic, don't do it , judge with righteous judgement and make sure you've pulled that plank out of your own eye so that you'll be able to see clear of what's about to come to pass .

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