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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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The religion of man doesn't believe that the death of Christ alone results in the Eternal Salvation of all for whom Christ died, namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 or His Church Eph 5:25, or His People Matt 1:21.

His death for His people produces saving results Jn 12:32-33 23,24

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

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Brightfame-

Your posts have a decidedly pro- Calvinist tone, which beg responses, but moderator Greg has asked in the past that we not debate Calvinism on the forum because it leads exactly nowhere and changes exactly no one’s opinions.

The other thread that discussed some of these issues probably went too far.

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The Death of Christ alone saved them he died for, namely the Elect, the Sheep, since by His One Offering they were sanctified unto God once and for all Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

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The Lord Jesus died for ** ALL ** men and *** WHOEVER *** believes in Him has eternal life (John 3:16), is predestined (that is, the "WHOEVER”) to adoption as sons of God through Jesus Christ (Eph. 1:5) and is part of the church of the ** firstborn ** (Heb. 12:23).

1 Cor. 15:22-28 ”“
For as in Adam ** ALL ** die, so also in Christ *** ALL *** will be made alive.
But each in his own order:
Christ the first fruits,
after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,
then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET.
But when He says, "All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so *** THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL ***.

Comment:
What happens at the end?
Certainly NOT a small elite group of people in heaven and the vast majority of mankind burning in hell BUT *** THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL ***!!!


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The word sanctified here in Heb 10:10 is the word hagiazō and means:

to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin

The Death of Christ has freed them He died for from the guilt of sin. It also agrees with Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The word purged is the word katharismos:

a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

So cleansing from and freedom from the guilt of sin is automatically a saving result of the death of Christ !

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We gain nothing without this commitment:

Phil. 3:7-14 ”“
But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ.
More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith


Heb. 6:11-12 ”“
And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end, so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

through faith and patience inherit the promises.


Matt. 8:13 ”“
……let it be done to you as you have believed.

Heb. 11:6 ”“
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

2 Tim. 4:7-8 ”“
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

……I have kept the faith.
Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness………

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A companion verse of Heb 10:10 which confirms the saving result of them Christ died for, namely His Sheep, its Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering[His death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Now who are the them that are sanctified ? Look again at Heb 10:10, and how were they sanctified ? Now these by that same means, Christs death are said to be perfected forever ! This includes their Justification before God, a complete cleansing of all the guilt of their sins. And that for ever !10

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Brightfame it sounds like you are saying Christ’s death saves the elect period. There is no requirement for belief, repentance, faith etc.

While I strongly disagree with your premise that Christ died only for the elect (a decidedly Calvinist doctrine), even if true your assertion that Christ’s death alone saved them is ridiculous if not dangerous.

If this is not what you are claiming, please clarify.

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I stopped posting here long ago. But I continue to read here from time to time. I'm not calvinist, however I don't believe what you call yourself matters. After I read these messages in this post, the very first verse I read in my study time last night was:

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. 1 John 5:1

How does one interpret this verse? It would appear the "born of God" precedes the "believes". That believing is the evidence of being born of God. Which means if being born of God proceeds, it is then God's choice who believes. Because no one can be born of God unless He chooses it to be so. The seed cannot grow unless God gives the increase. God is sovereign. He created all things, and to Him everything belongs psalm 24:1. He has power over every heart of man Proverbs 21:1. If God did not have control of all things, then our prays would be in vain.

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I think it was A. W. Tozer who said you could leave a room where two people were arguing about Calvinism/ Arminianism and come back a year later and they would still be arguing the same points. A believer on either side can get proof texts to make his case, and they sound convincing.

Is God sovereign? Yes.

Does a person make a choice to believe? Yes.

Does God choose us before the foundation of the world? Yes.

We should remember that these same questions have caused needless divisions in time past of genuine believers.

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!" Romans 11:33

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Brother Nigel,

You choosing God is because he first chose you :).

Man is helpless. To be honest Brother, God uses every circumstance and trial in our life to proof to us that we are helpless. As all things happen according to the counsel of God's will, and they all work for our eternal good, God works every trial to show we can do nothing and receive nothing unless it comes from Him. When one comes to understand this through the teaching of the Holy Spirit, its the beginning of a life of entire faith in Him

Blessings,
Daniel

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//Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. 1 John 5:1//

When I read this it means being born of God Is a result of believing Jesus is the Christ. In other words if you believe Jesus is the Christ then you are born of God.

But to each his own.

The more pressing concern is Brightfame’s assertion that Jesus’s death alone is all that is needed (ie no repentance, faith, etc) which of course goes against about all of the NT.

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Daniel, I agree.

But, if I were to choose right now to reject Jesus and go to hell, God must respect my decision. He wouldn't go against my free will, otherwise He would be a despot.

If you read church history, God used both Calvinists and Arminians to reach the lost. I am decidedly Arminian in my theology, but I call anyone a brother or sister who knows Jesus personally. To separate from a believer or church body over minor doctrinal differences shows a sectarian spirit and quenches the Holy Spirit.

I do live a life of faith entirely dependent on God. He does work all things after the counsel of His own will (Ephesians 1:11), but if I sin, for example, is that God's will? Did He cause me to do that? To say something like that is a logical absurdity.

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Hi Brother Nigel,

The things of God are so unnatural to the natural understanding. If we can believe that God created all things visible in the heavens and earth by the word of His mouth from that which is invisible, we can start to understand the almighty power and awesomeness of our God and how we are nothing but vapor before Him. We will live our life each day the way we should all be living our lives before Him, in awe of this awesome God that we don't love nor do we know. What is just for God to crucify His own Son for our sins? If you can answer that question, you get the answer to all questions of His justice and righteousness. My brother, I'm not here to argue at all. I'm simply sharing that God is doing a work in your heart even right now. He works out His salvation in you by His Holy Spirit living in you. That salvation is the finished work of the living Christ, His death and life. Blessings brother, Daniel

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I'm simply sharing that God is doing a work in your heart even right now. He works out His salvation in you by His Holy Spirit living in you. That salvation is the finished work of the living Christ, His death and life.

Amen.

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Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. 1 John 5:1

Consider these scripture verses:

John 20:31 ”“
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

John 6:40 ”“
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

Acts 16:31 ”“
They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

These scripture verses say that "believing” precedes salvation and receiving eternal life.


Comment:

We are saved by God’s word and work and faithfulness alone, but we must have faith in God’s word and work and faithfulness. Whatever is not from faith is sin (Rom. 14:23)

I agree that all men are totally fallen and no one is able to produce the faith in himself to be saved.

It is the Gospel of Christ that has the power to stir up faith in all who hear:

Rom. 10:17 ”“
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

The word (Gospel) of Christ generates faith in us (Rom. 10:17) and causes us to be born again (1 Pet. 1:23).

1 Pet. 1:23 ”“
for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

The "whoever” in John 3:16 indicates that a man has a choice to embrace God’s offer of salvation or harden his heart.

Heb. 14:15 ”“
"Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

Heb. 3:19 ”“
So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.

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The Blood/Death of Christ not only legally saved all for whom He died, but it also effects experiential salvation or conversion. Heb 9:12-14

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:


14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


"How much more shall the blood of Christ purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"


You see this ? Its the powerful Blood of Christ that converts them He died for unto serving the living God. That means they shall live by the Faith of Christ unto serving the True and Living God.


1 Thess 1:9

For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

”‹This is a result of the powerful effectual blood of Christ !15

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Christs death is the catalyst, foundation for all other spiritual blessings given to them He died for to convert them to God. Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

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If you changed the phrase "for whom he died for” to "for those who believe” I am in 100% agreement.

Your phraseology is objectionable. I am curious why you insist on stressing this point, as I believe you have made your point. If that’s what you want to believe, nobody here cares. But your point has been rebutted so at minimum it’s a stalemate so likely time to move on.

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Christs blood/Death converts them He died for, His Church or Sheep into a kingdom of priests Rev 1:5-618

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

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See as a result of His Blood shed and consequently it washes those He died for from their sins, He makes, produces them into spiritual priests. The word made in Rev 1:6 is the word poieó and means:

to make, do
Usage: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause.

with the names of the things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion,

to create, to produce: of God, as the author of all things, τί or τινα, Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6; Luke 11:40; Hebrews 1:2; Acts 4:24; Acts 7:50; Acts 17:24; Revelation 14:7

The death of Christ results in a new creation !

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Redeemed from the curse of the Law !

Those Christ died for are consequently saved, redeemed from the curse of the Law. Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Now it tells us specifically how these believers were redeemed from the curse of the Law. Succinctly stated "being made a curse for us:" This refers to His death, its the same as when he wrote to the Church at Corinthians these words "For he hath made him to be sin for us"

So anyone for whom Christ died, has been redeemed from the curse of the Law.

So when Jesus shall say to these Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Its absolutely impossible any of these on left hand, can be anyone Christ was made sin or a curse for !29

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//So when Jesus shall say to these Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Its absolutely impossible any of these on left hand, can be anyone Christ was made sin or a curse for !29//

This is one of worst cases I have seen of a scripture being taken out of context.

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I dont see how !

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Another passage of scripture that Illustrates and proves that Christs death effects saving/converting results is 1 Pet 1:18-21

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

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Brightfame will you please explain plainly what point you are trying to make?

Everyone here understands the importance of Jesus’s death on the cross. It’s a rather fundamental concept of Christianity.

We are not in Sunday School.

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Christs death accomplished/effected both Justification and Reconciliation for them He died for, His Elect Rom 5:9-11

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement/reconciliation.44

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I stated my reason in the OP

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The problem with man made religion that goes out in the name of Christ is this:

They don't believe nor acknowledge that Christ Work alone for those He died for, His Sheep, that it made the salvation of their souls sure and effectual !

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Christs death ensures for all whom He died, deliverance from this present evil world[Salvation] according to the Will of God !52

Gal 1:4-5

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

That fact Glorifies God the Father !

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Even the ability to come to Christ in faith is a gift based upon the cross of Calvary. At the cross, Christ purchased for His people the Grace to believe in His name Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

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Christ death results in the salvation of those He died for, so much so, He is called the Captain of their Salvation Heb 2:10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Mine you, this is in the context of having tasted death for every man in Vs 9. Through and by His death, or His suffering unto death, He became the Captain of their Salvation, through tasting[experiencing] death. Now the word captain is the greek word archēgos and means:

the author, that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause

So by His sufferings, tasting death, He became the originator, the active cause, Captain of their Salvation. It was by this means the Father ordained many sons to Glory.

BTW the word captain is the same word author in Heb 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Christ is the author/source of our Faith. This would include the OT Saints that went before in Heb 11 as well. Christ their Mediator was the source of their faith.

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Christs death produces saving results in that by it the Children of God/Sheep/Church is gathered unto God Jn 11:50-52

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that [in order that] also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Clearly the purpose of His dying for that nation [jews] but not them only[gentiles] was for the gathering of them together to form them into One People unto God. This is also expressed earlier in John here Jn 10:16

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The word bring here serves the same purpose as the word gather in Jn 11:52.

The word gather means συνάγω:

to lead together, bring together, come together (pass.), entertain
Usage: I gather together, collect, assemble, receive with hospitality, entertain.

to join together, join in one (those previously separated):

This speaks to the jews and gentiles being once separated, now being brought together by the death of Christ Eph 2:11-19

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
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This gathering was prophesied in the OT here Gen 49:9-10

9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?

10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Christ is Shiloh. This is probably what Caiaphas the high priest was moved to utter about Jn 11:49ff

The word for gathering in Gen 49:10 is the word yᵊqāhâ:

obedience, cleansing, purging,; obedience:””gathering, to obey.

The Death of Christ was designed to bring together the people of God from among all nations to the obedience of the Faith, under One Head.

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It is a heresy and false teaching if Christ's death alone does not guarantee a saving result for them He died for ! This applies to those who also teach that Christ died in some non redemptive way for the non elect ! That is, God had subordinate purposes to redemption, which Christs death did not ensure a saving, converting result !91

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The positive effect of Christ dying, giving of Himself, or offering of Himself for those He did for, is actual absolute redemption from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word that, the conjunction hina which means:

in order that, so that, in order that (denoting the purpose or the result

So His giving of Himself produces redemptive results, which God purposed, one such result was redeem them from all iniquity, that's Salvation right there !

This was promised in the OT Ps 130:8

And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities. The Israel here is not physical national israel, its Spiritual Israel the Church as seen in Titus 2:14

In other words the promise of Ps 130:8 found its fulfillment in Christ and the Church, and so its a sure result of Christ redeeming death !96

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The harvest of Christ's Death. Peace, the outcome of the cross. We believe that the Savior's finished work has rendered our[Gods Elect] damnation impossible, and our salvation certain,

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If Christ died for our sins according to the scripture, the following things are true:

That we were sinners dead in sin without hope, and could do nothing to save ourselves. Matt 1:21; Eph 2:12


t means that God has chosen us in Christ Jesus before the foundation Eph 1:4 and wherein Grace was given to us in Him for the purpose of saving 2 Tim 1:9

It means that God has forgiven us all our sins and will not never charge them to us, lay them to our account ! Rom 4; 8;

If Christ died for us we have the Righteousness of God through Christ charged to us 2 Cor 5:21; Rom 4

If Christ died for us, His redemptive death secured our salvation from the curse of the law. Gal 3:13

If Christ died for us, we shall be given Spiritual life by the Spirit Gal 4:4-6

If Christ died for us, God will send to us the Gospel of our salvation. Eph 1:13; 2 Thess 2:13-14

If Christ died for us, God will preserve us unto eternal glory ! 2 Tim 4:18

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What religionist are blind to as it pertains to the Death of Christ and its saving effects, is that Christ death procured life, both Spiritual and Eternal for them He died for. This Life is given, applied to them He died for by the Spirit, so by His death He gives life to the world Jn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Life here is Spiritual and is imparted by the Spirit in Honor of His Saving Death !

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