I am 76 years old and have been a born again believer since 1985. Since July 2020 the Lord has been giving me prophetic words for the Body of Christ for the days ahead.
Each time I receive these I submit them to a UK Facebook Prophetic Forum with 7,000 members for weighing and testing.
After this clearance process I then post them on my Holiness UK website.
This is the page in which they appear, in chronological order:
Hi Scotsbaker,
I believe in Prophesy ,firstly I have to say that.
I read quickly through your words and I am going to be honest as I can and mean no malice.I find them long,not specific about anything and very general.
I have seen words from many Christians online and they appear to me very wordy and I dont see the mechanism that God can give so lenghty a message.So what is the mechansim?Are you having a dream or a vision and he says "write these down"?
What I am saying is I believe and have experienced God communicate with me in my 33 yrs a Christian but he has given you more senteneces of communication in a few months than I have had in decades.So you have to see where my skeptism is coming from.I could give those words at anytime in history,in any country ,to anybody and they would be true for the most part like "humble yourself" or "my eyes of to and fro " etc
The prophetic ministry has taken a kick in the teeth recently and diservedly so and the messages seem to ramble on for every and ever and are never specific about anything,imho staff
Some thoughts to clarify the questions you asked:
Since July 2020 until the present time I have been receiving prophetic words from the Lord for the Body of Christ at large. Prior to that the Lord had often given me some personal words over the years, but these had been for me alone and solely concerned my relationship with Him.
Following the Lord’s initiation in July 2020 of this new broad prophetic stream concerning the Church, the practice I then developed was regularly to ask the Lord the open question: "do you have anything you wish to say to me today Lord?” I was careful not to influence matters by asking the Lord for specific guidance on a, b or c, since I did not wish to influence with my own thoughts or attitudes what I then heard. I have a link to the words I have received at the end of this e-mail.
Each time I heard from the Lord I was seated with paper and pen during the day and recorded verbatim what He said, so they are not vague impressions or interpretations, dreams or visions, but the actual words I heard in my mind/spirit in reply and wrote down immediately. I then waited 24 hours before looking in detail at what I had written, so as to check it out to see if it was consistent with what I knew of the Lord, His ways and His Word. Each time I received some words I referred them for weighing and testing to a UK Prophetic Forum on Facebook that has over 7,000 members. On each occasion, only after these prophetic people had given me the "thumbs-up” did I then consider them valid and upload them to my webpage.
There are two broad prophetic themes that come out in His words:
1) Hard and difficult times are coming upon the Earth and the Lord wants His people to prepare for these now. We need to be on our knees, calling to the Lord day and night to prepare for what is coming. Many will suffer significant loss of goods and property. The need for our total surrender to Him and his desire for holiness in His people come out time and again. He also talks of a coming darkness and a battle for souls by the enemy.
2) A mighty outpouring of His Spirit will be coming to His People, to help them prepare for the dark and difficult times ahead and to bring in a great harvest of souls. Sadly, many believers will not respond positively to this powerful outpouring of God’s Spirit and a great division will occur in the Body of Christ, not only in the physical but also in the spiritual dimension.
When I asked the Lord when these things would happen he replied : "Brian, it is not for you to know dates or times”. On one occasion He told me not to get puffed up because he uses me as a mouthpiece, saying: "don’t forget that I used Balaam’s donkey”.
I would like to ask the question of these prophetic words. Have any of these words ever come to pass? So often so called prophetic words are so broad that it is impossible to test them and that is why they are so broad. They lure you in with a false hope that God is speaking through a person. I have yet to see modern day prophetic come to pass. What does amaze me is how the bible talks about many false prophets and teachers shall arise to deceive many and yet we still have the flood or prophetic abounding.
It is why I dismiss the prophetic. I used to want to believe it existed today but I no longer do believe in it.
I do believe in words of wisdom. i.e. not that someone operates in a gift of a word of wisdom but that God will use Christians, and non Christians to give someone a word of wisdom at just the right time.
John
Hi Scott,
How do they test the words?,thanks staff
Shalom,
About the body being divided is a bit strange and vague. I believe that the church, the body of Christ will be one as our Lord Jesus prayed before His crucifixion. Also, the gates of hades will not prevail over the church.
Another thing I find it strange is how does the thumbs up button on Facebook validate if your word is from God.
I believe God speaks to us through prophets but we do need to be careful of false prophets since our Lord Jesus and his apostles warned us
One thing that comes to mind is what our Lord Jesus taught us. Does the prophet come in his own name?
"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."
John 5:43 KJV
Does the prophet come in his own name means is he promoting himself or is he glorifying the name of Jesus?
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
1 John 2:4 KJV
His command for us is to love each other.
They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
1 John 4:5”-”¬6 NIV
False prophets, preachers speak from the viewpoint of the world.
There are many other examples in the scriptures of how to discern true and false prophets. However it is not easy to discern but when you trust in Christ Jesus our Shepherd, He will protect you from the ravenous wolves in sheep clothing with His rod and His staff.
Shalom,
Robert
"It is why I dismiss the prophetic. I used to want to believe it existed today but I no longer do believe in it.”
So in other words you dismiss the Word of God Through His servant’s. If you are hearing the voice of God then you are prophetic. "The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophesy.”
What I dismiss is when I hear someone say that God told them xyz as you read in postings on this discussion board. It is not the same as preaching and God taking those words and convicting the hearts of men to repentance. Modern prohpetic movement is God supposedly speaking through people and at some point it is supposed to come to pass. These days we see things things as visions and dreams from people. As much as I want to believe it I don't because I have seen too much fraud. I test all things regardless.
I would ask you that if you believe in prophets/prophesy being expressed through anyone today show me what is being said that has come to pass. I find it they are too broad to test.
Brian
what you hear needs to be tested by the written Word of God, the Bible and not by a FB group and some "thumbs-up”
My advice is that you quit that group, find a church that preaches the Gospel and repentance, read the Word of God, pray, seek the true Jesus.
And don't give up until you are certain that only the true Jesus, the Son of the living God is in your live !
Prophesying does not always have to be predictions of events to come and specific dates when they will come. No one does that every time when they prophesy in a church or a service or give words. Prophesying is to be done also for the purpose of edification, exhortation and comfort to men (I Cor 14:3). I don't see where these words necessarily fail in that regard. What would God say by way of edification, exhortation, and comfort today that He didn't say to the church of centuries past? What would He say back then that He isn't saying to the church today? I realize we are likely a lot nearer the end of the age today than in centuries past, but the call to forsake all and seek holiness is basically the same I would think today no matter if we are approaching the end of the age or not. None of the words I read led me away from the true Jesus or anything like that. What if the forum he mentioned consists of Bible believing members who judge things and prophecies they hear by the written word? Just my thoughts which come with the choice to agree with them or not. I think the pendulum can swing too far in the opposite direction because of a desire to correct certain abuses. I discern a dose of humility in scotsbaker which is refreshing. I don't think he meant to present himself as a seer prophet announcing coming events and specific dates. I also have a strong belief the prophetic stream or whatever you want to call it needs a very large amount of sifting these days and fine tuning and people who exercise these gifts need to be under oversight. I still don't think I read anything that fell outside of the bounds of the word of God.
Blessings I hope.
I personally know people that move in the gift of prophesy, and my wife is one of them. We have had many confirmations of the prophetic words that I have heard over the years.
I Thessalonians 5:20-21 NKJV
Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good.
1 Corinthians 14:5
Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but rather that you would prophesy; and greater is the one who prophesies than the one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edification.
1 Corinthians 14:1
Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
We must ask God to give us discernment and judge the prophesy.
All true prophesy will be in line with the Word of God.
The Holy Spirit that dwells within us will bear witness of the prophesy as to whether it is of God or not.
Hi Docs,
I believe in Prophesy in the Church.None of these words are edifying because they are all so general however without casting shade on Scotsbakers intentions which are honourable.
I for instance had a very brief dream about Russia about six years ago from the Lord and I never felt I had to share it or perhaps no opportunity came to share that made sense or was edifying.The dream just had a map of some sort and I heard a voice say "Russia is waiting to move into Europe".Maybe it was just for me,staff
Shalom,
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Romans 16:17”-”¬18
In the NIV Paul says,
I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
Romans 16:17-18
Is this person causing division and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned?
But what he says doesn't seem to be smooth talk and flattery.
Even still we must watch out and not be deceived.
God bless and shalom
Robert
If you didn't share your word about Russia, why would that necessarily mean scotsbaker wasn't to share what he felt the Lord wanted him to share?
Words about upcoming events and dates etc. are not the same in my opinion as speaking unto the church or a local body for exhortation, edification, and comfort as scotsbaker has done. If his words were not edifying as you say, they certainly were not de-edifying.
Do you still believe Trump is going to be restored to office? A lot of people were adamant he was in spite of Biden being sworn in.
Hi Docs,
Scotsbaker can share whatever he thinks he should share.In looking at the words though they seem to be very general and could apply to anytime,anywhere.
When it comes to Trump all I can only say what I believe about Trump and separate to that is what God has shown me in a dream but separate.
I believe Trump flawed as he is (but not anymore flawed than myself) is God's man for the season and his track record shows that.Although I believe he will return I think alot of people prophesying got it wrong and fell into a couple categories 1:Their intrepretations of prophesy were worldly and wrong. 2 They were false prophets who only followed what other people were saying as it seemed logical and to feather their own nests.
The dream
Whats good sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander
Basically I saw what appears to be Congress and a man who looked similar to Helmut Norpoth who has a system of predicting the US election results called "The Primary Model".In the Dream it was clear he was similar looking but it was not him.Somehow this guy was given legal authority and it surprized all the people who I believe were elected congressmen and the were very bitter over it in their reaction but ultimately could not do anything about it.The significance of Norpoth is that he predicted Trump to win both 2016 and 2020 elections.I heard whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.I felt this means that this man would adminster the same treatment that was dished out to the people who dished it out themselves and where the chips fell they fell.
In the natural I could only think that this is some kinda of special council and Stephen Miller who was in the Trump adminstration is very similar looking to Helmut Norpoth but thats only my thinking about it.
I would be lying if I said I didnt have this dream and I Would be lying if I said I didnt fully think it was from God,
No doubt Prophesy has taken a well deserved hit but that doesnt mean its not for our time,
Just because we have "Prophets of Baal" in our midst doesnt mean what Elijah is saying is not true,
yours staff
Hello Brother
Thank you for posting these words. I will pray about them all. I am open to prophesy and believe GOD still speaks today. via prophets and prophetesses.. The word is clear and we can study old and and new testament where there are utterances..
.Eph 4:11.. So i have emailed u and hope to be able to discuss some of these words. I am not a nit picker and have learned to take the meat and spit out the bones. GOD speaks clearly about prophesy in 1 cor 12, 13 and 14..
. So with that said i will not get into any debates here. I BELIEVE in the prophetic gifts for today and know we all can prophesy and in part.. So Thank u for sharing I am praying over all these words.
in Jesus
Sister Frannie
Hello Brother
Thank you for posting these words. I will pray about them all. I am open to prophesy and believe GOD still speaks today. via prophets and prophetesses.. The word is clear and we can study old and and new testament where there are utterances..
.Eph 4:11.. So i have emailed u and hope to be able to discuss some of these words. I am not a nit picker and have learned to take the meat and spit out the bones. GOD speaks clearly about prophesy in 1 cor 12, 13 and 14..
. So with that said i will not get into any debates here. I BELIEVE in the prophetic gifts for today and know we all can prophesy and in part.. So Thank u for sharing I am praying over all these words.
in Jesus
Sister Frannie
Hi Frannie,
What specifically did you get from these words that any Christian could not get any other time or any other place??Id be interested if their is anything specifically different about the words,
urs staff
Whst did God say to other Christians in other places in
other times than what He is saying to Chritains in other times and diffefent places now? The increasing nearness of the end of the age and other prophetic landmarks may cause somethings to be prophesied differenly.Yet,scosbaker has done nothing wrong at all and has just encountered a few nit pickers. He ought to be been left alone in the first place.
Hi Docs
You are the one nit picking ,lets be honest here.His word was their to be read and questioned.We questioned it but didnt get any answers as of yet.If its a prophesy let it be a prophesy but not endless words that could be said to anyone at anytime .You are very quick with the nasty comments by the way,
urs staff
I believe in prophesy and I have lived on it at times in my life through what God promised me. But staff has a valid point. And I'm not picking on scotsbaker at all b/c I've not went to read any of those words.
I'm just speaking to how sad what Pentecostal and Charismatic's call prophesy today (not all but a LOT). Example: "thus saith the Lord, I see the sun shining on you today and tomorrow." (That might be a correct word for someone living in the rainforest or in the North Pole)
Can we not all agree with how vague that kind of word is? My God is specific!
God bless us all who believe in prophesy to walk closer to the Lord so we can speak specifically!
Lisa
So you haven't even read any of scotsbakers words?
I would remind you of the apostle Peter's admonition:
"So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.” (2 Peter 1:19, NASB95)
The prophetic word he is speaking of is that word contained in the Scriptures, the Bible. It made the utterance the Father spoke to Peter, James, and John on the Mt. of transfiguration more sure according to Peter. In other words, what was written verified what was spoken and not the other way around.
I would encourage you to look to the Scriptures. They are sufficient. It's there you'll hear the voice of God. It's there He is speaking.
Blessings
/ In other words, what was we written verified what as spoken and not the other way around./
I am in 100% agreement with this.
Well staff, I saw a person post some stuff he felt was from the Lord and he was told you are a honorable person with good intentions but your words are overly general and basically meanliness because of their commonality. The word false prophet popped up even if not by way of actual accusation. It was even suggested to scotsbaker the he needed to make sure he had the real Jesus in his life. All of this just struck me as a bit brusque and rude and even nit picking to a degree. Some of the responses might have been worded a little different. But that's me I guess and comes from my temperament.
I read the words he shared. If not great earth shaking prophecies, they certainly were not de-efifying. The link he shared looked solid. If you think his words are too general, what is God saying to the Church in Ametica that he isn't saying to the Church in South America for instance? Or Africa? I've been in many services where a word of prophecy has come forth and edified everyone. In that vein, what if a word spoken in one place could also have meaning for believers in other places? Seer prophets may speak about specific events in certain places at specific times. But I don't think all prophecy is intended to be that way.
Closing now, I think there was a bit of over reaction to scotsbaker. I don't know for sure but that may be part of the reason he chose to not answer any further.
Peace.
George Whitefield:
"If we once get above our Bibles, and cease making the written word of God our sole rule both as to faith and practice, we shall soon lie open to all manner of delusion, and be in great danger of making shipwreck of faith and a good conscience. Our blessed Lord, though he had the Spirit of God without measure, yet always was governed by, and fought the devil with, 'It is written'. This the apostle calls the 'sword of the Spirit'. We may say of it, as David said of Goliath's sword, 'None like this'. The scriptures are called the lively oracles of God: not only because they are generally made use of to beget in us a new life, but also to keep up and increase it in the soul. The apostle Peter, in his second epistle, prefers it even to seeing Christ transfigured upon the mount. For after he had said, chap. 1:18. 'This voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount'; he adds, 'We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day-star arise in your hearts': that is, till we shake off these bodies, and see Jesus face to face. Till then we must see and converse with him through the glass of his word. We must make his testimonies our counselors, and daily, with Mary, sit at Jesus' feet, by faith hearing his word. We shall then by happy experience find, that they are spirit and life, meat indeed and drink indeed, to our souls."
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Many thanks for taking the trouble to respond to my post linking to words I believe the Lord has spoken to me for the Body of Christ.
I do not claim to be any kind of prophet. I am an introvert by temperament, hate any kind of leadership position and do not seek any kind of public profile. My main focus for many years has been practical help and evangelism among the marginalised, homeless and rejected on the streets of my home town. Basically I am a nobody and happy to work among nobodies.
I fully accept and understand the variety of responses made. I agree that many so-called prophetic words are confusing, rather suspect and difficult to believe. Many times I have thought the same myself and still do today.
I realise that having a single page with so much stuff on it has compounded the problem you all faced in trying to evaluate and make sense of it all. Please accept my apologies for taking the wrong approach in this matter.
I also regret that this issue has taken a few controversial turns in the discussion and so I take full responsibility for that too.
Bless you all in your love and service for the Lord,
In Jesus,
Brian
Thank you Brian. Bless you.
1 Thessalonians 5:20 Despise not prophesyings!
Come on, as long as they are not contradicting scripture, do not despise them. Not all prophesy has to be groundbreaking and revealing deep secrets that nobody ever touched. Prophesy can be on the lines of general encouragement.
I think Brian has shown more humility than all of us. The Lord bless you and your service! May your words lift up those who you reach out to. Keep up the good work!
Hi Docs
you delibrately mis use terms such as false prophet and use it out of context .I dont think you are the one to talk of an over reaction....Nobody called Scotsbaker false at all or implied it.He obviously has a good heart and intentions.
However I dont consider what Scotsbaker wrote as Prophetic as its just a general collection.Any of Jesus's Prophesies were specific.
urs staff
Is prophesying for the sake of exhortation, edification, and comfort always full of specifics and singular details? It's a good question.
Meanwhile, I'm leaving this alone for now. 'Nuf. Peace to you and Brian.
Thank you.
Hi Docs
Just because I edify ,comfort or exhort some one doesnt mean I have prophesied.However a prophesy will always edify,comfort or exhort,urs staff
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