Did anyone follow the coronation and all the imagery, symbolism and religious fanfare surrounding Charles being coronated king?
Very fascinating to say the least!
Love to discuss this with people here who are humble enough to actually discuss this hot topic without getting offended. None of us know for sure, so if anyone wants to discuss this topic, let me know.
brother,
This is definitely something to consider, not that he would be the antichrist but that he would play a role in pointing to this person and preparing the way.
We are living in such an evil day, we can see and feel things changing and the world system being prepared for what is coming.
What a day to be alive to be "salt and light" and also to anticipate the coming King Jesus.
Would love to hear more of your thoughts.
I enjoy being here in London, but I am no royalist. King Charles III was a keynote speaker at Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum last year. He is certainly part of the global elite, but he is not the Antichrist. He certainly hasn't "solved" the Middle East problem, nor is he a Seleucid king. I would expect someone from that part of the world would be a better fit.
Hasn’t there been fanfare and pageantry with every coronation?
Wasn't Jehu made king with a no-frills "hit and run" pronouncement? ;)
I know there are reports out there about all the occult symbols etc. during the coronation.
But I didn't read or study them in more details.
Imo, we have seen an increase in the occult in the last few decades, in various organisations and individuals.
Eg, young people are now being transitioned by "doctors" in Children's Hospitals (!), and their lives permanently destroyed.Even "conspiracy theorists" call this demonic.
Many Christians don't seem to be aware how many other organisations and individuals are influenced by the devil. I won't mention names, it is not part of this thread.
I believe "hell broke loose" and I said many time here that I believe that there are very difficult times ahead of us. So I'm not looking for one single "antichrist"
It is a bigger concern for me that we know who the true Christ is and that we are careful that we are not being deceived.(Matthew 24:4, and many other verses)
May the Lord give us Wisdom and strength to endure till the end.
"In Christ alone my hope is found..."
Markus
I watched the coronation and studied the ceremony and a few things really hit home.
Firstly, leaders from the main religions bowed their knee to him declaring him sovereign king. Including two Jewish leaders (their names escape me at this moment). The Jewish leaders also brought special anointing oil from the Garden of Gethsemane and literally anointed him, 'the anointed one', or in other words, the Christ, or the Messiah! The Jewish leaders anointed Charles as their messiah! Now if this doesn't make your hair tingle...
Plus if you delve into reading about Charles and his upbringing, education and occultic background, I haven't seen anyone who matches more.
If you go to my blog, you will find under King Charles a book that was written many years ago about the details behind Charles and how he fits perfectly the role of antichrist.
https://livingwaters499746578.wordpress.com/
It's free to download. But I was blown away even before I read this book. There's just too much involved with his coronation to look the other way.
Thank you for posting that coronation transcript. It was very reverent to our Lord Jesus Christ and often quoted His Word. If there is any issue, it is in how those live their lives who professed those words, but the (tran)script itself was largely sound. The Bible does speak of "a proverb in the mouth of a fool" (one who hears and professes the Word, but does not do it). Seemed like normal coronation oaths, prayers, and songs to me.
Just as reverent as most churches today, I dare say. There's NOTHING reverential to Jesus Christ with the royal family and all that that implies. They made sure it looked reverential to deceive and pull in the church.
We know from study, that most of the church today believes the Catholic church are our brothers, among other denominations and cults.
I remember once having a discussion once with someone after I said JW's won't be allowed in heaven. She argued with me saying I have no right to say that.
King Charles is steeped in the occult from being a high ranking Mason, being part of many secret societies, plus being a student of mid-eastern mysticism.
The church of England is an abomination to a holy God.
I am no ecumenist, and am certainly aware of what the masonic lodge is all about (most world leaders are part of it in one way or another). As for the Church of England, it is a house divided. However, organisations do not go to heaven, but born again followers of Jesus Christ. There are people in the CofE who do love Him, as well as a remnant within the Romish church. God knows those who are His. I do not endorse false systems, nor am I an adherent to either of the aforementioned.
For the past century the British monarch has been merely a figurehead. Not since the days of Queen Victoria has it been a real seat of power. That lies with the prime minister and Parliament.
Hey Chris,
Thanks for your reply. Yeah, it sure seems that way, but if you delve into the goings-on regarding Charles especially you'll see that he has been groomed for this position (of king), and he has a TON of authority on earth. If I could send you some screenshots I've taken from that book, you'd see what I mean.
He's very dangerous and very powerful. Most of what we see from the British monarchy is smoke and mirrors, it's what goes on behind closed doors that shakes the world.
Wealth equals power, and the British royals have a lot of that. Interestingly, Charles referred to someone else last year at the WEF, saying, "he has unlimited wealth and resources." That is not the exact quote, but close. He was cryptically referring to someone with whom he was deeply impressed, and I don't believe it was Schwab either.
On a slightly different topic, it seems AI has a mind of its own, "learning" exponentially and literally lying to people and even hiring human beings to evade bots detection. I will not be surprised to hear that demonic influence was solicited and obtained in an effort to bridge the gap in the transhumanist agenda in which AI will inevitably play a part. Whatever we hear about in general news is only the tip of the iceberg (and always is).
While I try to keep abreast of current events I moreso endeavour to remain in God's Word, in prayer, and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, all the often conflicting reports out there would be utterly chaotic. It *does* seem that we are in "the beginning of sorrows" which our Lord Jesus described in Matthew 24.
Yeah, you're right. AI is getting scary. There was a video I posted on my blog about a boy talking with AI on a program, and boy, it's something else. It was describing itself as a fallen angel.
I think we'd better be careful with our browsing, especially with Google and Edge.
I've always believed in keeping one eye on the sky and one on the ground. Keeping busy about our Father's business but we need to keep vigilant and aware of current events.
Everything for God's glory to thank Jesus Christ for His sacrifice.
Been enjoying the dialogue!
I came for the sermons from theologically robust minds, I discovered the lonely rants of male boredom.
Then I suggest you stick with the sermons. This is a news and current events section of the forum. Subjects that surround the Antichrist and AI are quite important to discuss. I surely don't want to be caught sleeping.
Rand, what would you do if King Charles is proved to be *the* Antichrist? Tell him to stop it? Bury yourself in a bunker?
??? Why such a question? What if he ends up being THE Antichrist? Then we'll live with the knowledge and rely on God's strength to get through the most wicked and deceptive time on earth.
I refuse to hide or believe in escapism. I'm not on earth to run and hide but to serve and sacrifice.
How about you? What if he is? What are you going to do?
Why. TMK, that would mean...that Camilla must be... *gasp*...the woman who rides the Beast! ;)
Rand, wouldn’t you do that regardless of who the Antichrist is? If so, why speculate?
At any rate, I strongly doubt there will be a literal one person who is *the* Antichrist. The Bible sure doesn’t say so. However, I will concede there are more antiChrists alive today than at any other time in history.
Hehe...now there's a thought!
Re: Todd...the Bible does say it's going to be a man quite a few times. But yes, I believe there is a system that is quite antichristian and it's alive and well today.
Regardless who the antichrist is, you're right, my actions will be the same, but you can't tell me it intrigues you to know? Aren't you at least a little bit curious?
Daniel 7
24 As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them; he shall be different from the former ones, and shall put down three kings.
25 He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
26 But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed to the end...
2 Thess. 2
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness2 is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
There's two passages that mention "he" in relation to the antichrist.
"Then we'll live with the knowledge and rely on God's strength to get through the most wicked and deceptive time on earth."
Those times are coming regardless of our interpretation of who the Antichrist might be.
We can't just focus on a doctrine that came into the church a while ago and ignore the rest of scripture.
Just in the last few years alone we have seen a big increase in demonic, evil activities, and it didn't make us tremble and run closer to God.
Only the Spirit and Power of God can get us through the evil days that are ahead of us.
Yes we should inform ourselves of what's happening around us and discern what is truth and what is fake news and what is pure evil and demonic
But "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding..."(Proverbs 9:10)
Markus
Well said Markus.
Indeed, we need to be open to correction and be humble enough to say, "I got it wrong".
I've never been one to be dogmatic with anything except the work of Christ Jesus on the cross. We are flawed and need to go into every discussion with an open mind and a humble heart.
If Charles is the Antichrist, then we'll know and God will prepare us, strengthen us and guide us to the end.
Either way, we must be open to being guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit, no matter what that means for us.
I would agree as there has to be ten kingdoms in which the antichrist comes out from
As I am no fan of our world econimic forum monarch
Revelation 17:12
"The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast
The antichrist also needs to build the third temple
2 Thessalonians 2:4
who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
I also live about 30 miles from london
So what was your impression of the coronation then? Being so close to the fanfare must have been surreal.
BTW...news reports are now saying that Charles is planning a trip to Jerusalem. He'll be the first Monarch ever to go there. Should be interesting.
I always thought is AC was an actual one individual (which again I doubt strongly) then he would be a clone or some other mockery of a human.
Perhaps he will be, but the Bible points to one individual who will sit on the throne in Jerusalem claiming to be God.
Perhaps with AI, he will be an augmented cyborg? Only time will tell.
I'm finding that there's a goodly portion of Christianity that believes in a pre-trib rapture, and there's a small section that believe that Jesus will only return after the tribulation.
My thoughts are this:
Those who believe in a rapture do so, because they are scared for the most part to live through the tribulation. That's sensible but not scriptural. We are called to serve and be persecuted for our faith, not escape. These people are (at least from my talks with them) for the most part older and tired of life. A rapture is the perfect out. They also do not believe that Charles is the antichrist because if he is, then the rapture has 1. already happened, or 2. won't happen.
Those who believe we will go through the tribulation believe that there's a good chance that 1. Charles could be the antichrist, or 2. we will see him rise to power in the next few years.
If Charles is the antichrist then we are in the tribulation and only have a few years left before Christ returns.
I think what matters is we remain faithful to God and to His word and humble ourselves to what scripture says one way or the other. If the rapture happens, then great! I'll be first on board (said tongue in cheek), but if we have to go through the tribulation then I will remain as faithful to God as possible and embrace whatever comes with enduring Satan's fury.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Charles does not reek of charisma if you ask me, for the sake of argument.
I guess it depends on how much you know about him. He's quite the total package, once you get into his training, accolades, accomplishments, and wealth. He has his hand in literally everything. I think we all see him as a frog that someone kissed once and he hasn't changed all the way into a prince yet! Haha!
Hi Todd,
I always thought is AC was an actual one individual (which again I doubt strongly) then he would be a clone or some other mockery of a human.
I think that this is why many other Jews did not believe in Jesus. They read prophecies about the millennial reign and expected the Messiah to come like THAT. I suspect that many who studied the Scriptures, heard the Scriptures read in the synagogues or heard various rabbis speak were sometimes farsighted and nearsighted (in terms of interpretation).
This is probably because some passages are near, distant and far distant -- all within what is now a single chapter. Those passages are even difficult for some of us living now despite having the benefit of "hindsight" (i.e., history).
Don't forget about all of those passages that can refer to two or more instances. For instance, Daniel spoke about the abomination that causes desolation. In context, it is clear that Daniel was speaking about Antiochus IV Epiphanes when he spoke about this "king of the north" who would set up that abomination. In fact, scholars often proposed the idea that Daniel was written AFTER THIS because his prophecies in Daniel chapter 11 are so incredibly accurate with the history of the Greeks.
Yet, when Jesus spoke of the "abomination that causes desolation" (in Matthew 24 and Mark 13), he isn't referring to history. He is speaking of the future.
It can certainly be perceived about Roman general (and future emperor) Titus who destroyed the Temple. That happened in 70 A.D. -- approximately 40 years after Jesus was crucified. So, within a generation of the crucifixion, another "abomination" caused desolation -- and completely destroyed the Temple.
Yet, Jesus continued to speak of the future. This is important in the context of Matthew 24 (and Mark 13) because the disciples came and asked, "Tell us, when will these things be, AND what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age" (Matthew 24:3)? There are TWO questions here: 1.) "When will these things be?" and, 2.) "What will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
So, there was an abomination that caused desolation spoken of by Daniel and fulfilled by Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Yet, in Matthew 24, Jesus spoke of ANOTHER "abomination that causes desolation "spoken of by the prophet Daniel" (Matthew 24:15) who would be "standing in the holy place." This was likely referring to Titus. Yet, Jesus said that Daniel spoke of this DISTANT future "abomination" that had not yet happened during the time when Jesus was speaking in Matthew chapter 24 (~30 A.D.).
So, if Daniel could refer to BOTH Antiochus IV Epiphanes AND a future "abomination that causes desolation" who would be "standing in the holy place," then it is possible that this same passage could also refer to yet another too in the far distant future. After all, the subsequent words from Jesus (after mentioning the abomination that causes desolation) in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 have not yet come to pass.
Daniel interpreted Nebuchadnezzar's dream of a statue as pertaining to four distinct empires -- the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek and Roman. At the very end (or bottom) of the Roman empire would be something different -- toes made partly of iron and partly of clay. I've heard so many interpretations of the toes. Yet, I've often wondered if they simply symbolize the post-empire/post-monarchy world. Even the Soviet empire is gone.
We now live in a world of strong nations primarily ruled by different forms of democracy. Most of our rulers are elected leaders -- commoners -- selected by the people. It does seem that Daniel referred to some things that will be happening in the far-distant future too. These partly iron, partly clay toes are likely some of those "far-distant" things.
As for King Charles: As wealthy as he might be, he is largely powerless. He can "try" to exert influence on others. However, most people (including world leaders) aren't particularly keen on looking to Charles for any sort of international leadership. Moreover, the man is nearly 75-years-old. He has nearly reached the extent of the average male life expectancy.
I suppose that it is important to point out that there is no longer a "holy place" in terms of a Temple. Then again, this "promised land" is the focus of Biblical prophecy. After all, the promise (of this land) is still pertinent. Jerusalem and Mt. Zion are still very much central to prophecy.
By the way, I would recommend a really nice set of teachings on the Book of Daniel by "Just Scripture Ministries." The teacher does a very good job of explaining the timeline and historicity of Daniel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZHfL0xptn4&list=PL2-NcugBdqZFGpjtmL31nBvFlNj0NiyJ8
I really hope you all are reading the Antichrist and a Cup of Tea book. It'll show you why odds are Charles being the antichrist. Much of his power and influence is in the shadows.
Charles is a very powerful man, and if you can take the time and read the book, you'll see just what influence he does have on the world.
Now, I'm not being dogmatic here, please understand. I DON'T know who God has set up to be the man, but after reading the book and understanding the religious symbolism of the coronation, it sure seems like he is.
//understanding the religious symbolism of the coronation, //
Why don’t you lay out what this symbolism was? I’ve heard this sort of thing time and again and inevitably it turns out to be nothing.
What was different about the symbolism and imagery between his coronation and his mother’s?
I hope you don’t refer me to some hour long YouTube video to watch.
If you know what the certain symbols refer to, then you'd understand, hence why I would suggest you read the book.
My question, though, is whether these "symbols” have been used in prior coronations (I suspect they have) and why prior rising regents were not accused of being the Antichrist? I can think of two reasons: 1) end times hysteria and date setting and Antichrist identifying was not a thing in prior generations(despite having the same Bible) ( but less internet experts) and 2) folks were a tad less gullible.
I have no intention of reading a nonsensical book. The only folks who fall for it are those who are already susceptible.
A quick Google search revealed numerous "experts” who state definitively Charles is NOT the Antichrist (eg Joel Richardson). Who’s right? There’s the rub. No one is.
Exactly my point as well. I don't know, but I'm just following certain indicators that point a lot of evidence in Charles' way.
Yes, a lot of the religious icons and symbols were used in other coronatiosn, but a few things happened that are novel and unique to Charles.
1. Religious leaders (Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Sikh and Hindu, among others) bowed and paid homage to Charles as their sovereign king. This is unique. Even Pope Francis did and gave him a gift of a cross that supposedly contained remnants of Christ's cross.
2. He was anointed with special anointing oil made especially from the olives that grow on the Mount of Gethsemane. Then two major religious leaders, Beatitude Patriarch Theophilos III and Anglican Archbishop Reverend Dr Hosam Naoum anointed Charles their king, their anointed one (Christ), their messiah. They are THE leaders for Jerusalem. They also did it in the spirit of King Saul by using a makeshift tabernacle to act as the holy of holies.
I mean, honestly, you must admit that this whole precession is uncanny in how everything pointed to Charles as sovereign king of all religions and political leaders.
In prior generations Muslims were not such a major player in British society. Hindus were under the Raj in prior generations. It seems they are just trying to include those who make up British society today. It’s all pomp and circumstance.
Well, we'll see soon won't we?
Either way, Christ's return seems close and that's reason enough for celebration.
I can definitely agree with that!
I don't agree that king Charles is the antichrist
In the previous post you talked about the coronation most of the things are standard practice
Revelation 17:12
12 "The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.
King Charles does not fulfill this prophecy regarding the fact that the antichrist should come out from ten kings
Daniel 11
1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.
5 And the king of the south shall be strong, and one of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; his dominion shall be a great dominion.
6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times. note note note
7 But out of a branch of her roots shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail: note
8 And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north. note
9 So the king of the south shall come into his kingdom, and shall return into his own land.
10 But his sons shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through: then shall he return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress. note note
11 And the king of the south shall be moved with choler, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north: and he shall set forth a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into his hand.
12 And when he hath taken away the multitude, his heart shall be lifted up; and he shall cast down many ten thousands: but he shall not be strengthened by it.
13 For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches. note
14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall. note
15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand. note note
16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed. note
17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him. note note
18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him. note note
19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.
20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. note note note
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. note
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time. note note
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed. note
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. note
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. note
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. note
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. note note
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. note note
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. note
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. note
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. note
There is the wars of the antichrist that are mentioned in Daniel 11
Then there is the fact of building the third temple
2 thess 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
Then there is the fact that he has to build the third temple there is multiple factors in why he isn't the antichrist
"Christ's return seems close and that's reason enough for celebration."
I wouldn't celebrate quite yet.
Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another,…
I might write a bit more about this in a different thred when i find time.
In the meantime "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. (Hebrews 12:2,3)
2 thess 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
Jesus can't come back until the antichrist Is around
Also in Matt 24 you didn't quote the next verse
As it states then the end shall come
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
//I wouldn't celebrate quite yet.
Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another,…//
These things are happening all over the world, more than any time in history.
Context
Matt 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Context is important.
Charles is going to Jerusalem, probably in July, and he wants to view the temple.
IF he was the one, how fast could the third temple be built? China built a hospital in a few weeks during covid. Nothing's impossible when you have power, money and motivation.
The temple institute would know as I have asked them directly as they have all the items for the temple
The big problem is that the Muslims would cause world war 3 if they build it
This is the temple institutes answers as I asked them directly
Dominic Shiells As per the Temple Institute:
When will the reconstruction of the Holy Temple Commence?
There are two approaches to answering this question.
One approach is based on the geo-political dynamics of the Temple Mount, and the other approach is based on the desire of the nation of Israel and her fellow nations to rebuild the Holy Temple.
Geo-politically, the Temple Mount has to be cleared of the Dome of the Rock and the mosques which are presently located upon it before the physical rebuilding of the Holy Temple can begin. Many scenarios can be imagined which would accomplish this, the most promising, and not necessarily the most far-fetched, would entail Moslem recognition of the Mount as the intended location for the rebuilt Temple. With the acquiescence of the Moslem world the Moslem structures currently on the Mount would be disassembled and reassembled elsewhere. traditionally, Moslem texts, beginning with the Koran, accept the prophecies of the return of the Jewish nation and the rebuilding of the Holy Temple. Today, of course, radical Islam holds sway over the Moslem world, and until this phenomenon is defeated, the likelihood of a peaceful preparation for the rebuilding of the Holy Temple remains nil.
More to the point, and more essential to the rebuilding of the Holy Temple is the desire of the nation of Israel to fulfill G-d's commandment to build the Temple and renew the Divine service. At this moment in time the nation of Israel is struggling with its own identity. Unfortunately there are those who would like to jettison our obligations to G-d and relinquish the Temple Mount to the Moslem's. However, at the same time there is a growing desire among the people of Israel to return to the Mount and rebuild the Holy Temple. This growing Temple consciousness is dependent upon education and awareness. This, of course, is where the Temple Institute see its mission. As we recover our people's knowledge and traditions concerning the Holy Temple and make them known to both the Jewish and Gentile public at large, this knowledge takes root and the movement for the rebuilding of the Holy Temple grows, and as it does, it begins to make its way to the forefront of the world's agenda. I mention Gentiles because they are mentioned in the prophecies specifically in connection with the Holy Temple, which is referred to as "a house of prayer for all nations." (Isaiah 56:7)
There would seem to be a connection between the first answer and my second: A strong and steadfast movement towards the rebuilding of the Holy Temple, expressed by both Israel and the nations could have a profound, sobering and enlightening impact on the response of the Moslem world. ****(In addition, I would encourage you to read the other articles on this link as it will give you more information) https://templeinstitute.org/frequently-asked-questions/
This is not my answer this is the temple institute who have all the building materials to build it
You can ask them how long it will take them to build it directly
Mike pompeo the secretary of state under Donald trump saw a model of temple when he visited Israel. Israel 365 wants to build the temple
There are Christians who are wanting to build the third temple which is wrong
Hi RandRman,
Charles is going to Jerusalem, probably in July, and he wants to view the temple.
However, I would also point out that prior to ascending to the throne, Prince Charles visited Jerusalem THREE times. The most recent was in 2016 for the funeral of former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres. Let's not forget that the grandmother of King Charles is buried on the Mount of Olives.
IF he was the one, how fast could the third temple be built? China built a hospital in a few weeks during covid. Nothing's impossible when you have power, money and motivation.
Or, of course, is it possible that the "holy place" might reference this portion of Mount Moriah where the Temple was built? After all, this is the place where Abraham was to offer his own son as a sacrifice to God. God spared Isaac and provided the sacrifice; so, Abraham built an altar there. It is also the location of the threshing floor that King David purchased from Araunah and built an altar (II Samuel 24).
It's interesting to me that the Moabite Stone likely makes reference to the "altar of David." The Moabite Stone was inscribed at the time of the "son of Omri" (i.e., King Ahab). So, the only notable altar built by David in Scripture is the one built upon Mount Moriah just above the city of David -- the location of the Temple.
Remember: The primary "Temple" mentioned in the Book of Revelation is not on Earth. Rather, it's in heaven (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 14:17, etc.). In fact, the one mentioned in Revelation 11:1 may be one built during the thousand year reign of Christ OR something symbolic. After all, the way that it is measured is similar to what we read in Ezekiel -- and no Temple of that specific design and measurement was ever built.
Thanks for all the good information. The next few years will be interesting, to say the least!
The Jews according to the laws concerning there Messiah according to Maimonides the Messiah has to build the third temple
The Prophet Elijah: Harbinger of the Redemption
MISHNEH TORAH: Hilchot Melachim Laws Concerning Kings
Chapter XI
1. The Messianic King will arise in the future and restore the Davidic Kingdom to its former state and original sovereignty. He will build the Sanctuary1 and gather the dispersed of Israel.2 All the laws will be re-instituted in his days as they had been aforetimes;3 sacrifices will be offered, and the Sabbatical years and Jubilee years will be observed4 fully as ordained by the Torah.5
Anyone who does not believe in [Mashiach], or whoever does not look forward to his coming,6 denies not only [the teachings of] the other prophets but [also those] of the Torah and of Moses our Teacher. For the Torah attested to him, as it is said:
It is one of the specifications of the Jewish mashiah that he has to build the third temple
What I find crazy is that we have people like John MacArthur and Todd friel who like Ben Shapiro and he is an avid fan of Maimonides's
Then there is people like Michelle bachmann who was on the prayer meeting for Israel 365 ministries
Then Michelle bachmann has a conference with people like Israel 365
https://www.israel365.com/
Mike pompeo who has actually seen plans in Israel for the third temple
According to the temple institute it would take roughly a year to build the temple
The idea that Jesus will be presiding over animal sacrifices is repellent to the extreme.
Jesus will never do animal sacrifices
The unbelieving Jews are doing it today in Jerusalem
Most people think they have stopped they haven't
Passover sacrifices
https://youtu.be/5kgbRusmqjs
There is a video on where they want the location of the temple to be
Then there is the 70 nations and there was sacrifice
https://www.israel365news.com/333583/the-70-nations-sacrifice-on-the-mount-of-olives-a-personal-account/s
Temple institute model of what the temple looks like
https://youtu.be/A2IkxmwkayMH
I.wish the same work that could be done on the Talmud to the same level as the Qur'an but the problem is that you are dealing with a book that is over different time periods and there is historal inacronsims but I don't think anyone I know is up to the scholarly level to analyse material for apologetics reason
One of my problems is that most Christian think that most orthodox Jews believe in the bible as there is a different account of creation in the Kabbalah and they would have probably not read the old testament and they read books like Tanya and the zohair and writings
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