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Anyone with the gift of healing the sick or working mracles?

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KervinM

1. Would be nice for others who are sick (or have the sick) to know. Especially the unchurched.
2. I will gladly bear with my list sick cases to death but why do if a Christian someone with the relevant gift could pray over them and Christ heals.
3. I do not believe that all that have the same Spirit of God have all gifts (I am a Continualist I would say).
4. The Lord should by the Thanksgiving of healed be glorified I understand.

Mr Ravenhill tells of a sickly professor someone who travelled across countries to see doctors only to come back to have hands laid upon him by a Christian someone (not very important), back at home, not many blocks away. And yes he finally got healed.

PS. If you choose not to post hear, then you may kindly email me

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brothagary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8hNS1KVSxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogzIgudITq4

This was the last man that I prayed for when we were doing street ministry about about 9 months ago, I don't believe I have the gift of healing but I do see results sometimes and expect the lord will heal especially when I feel an anointing and the spirit of compassion fills me.

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KervinM

Edited

Interesting brother. This is similar to what Mr Ravenhill said the Christian brother said (and implied) to the sick folk before laying hands on. Sometimes when I lay hands and pray for the sick, the Lord heals them. So he may heal you too. And he did Mr Ravenhill said. I should check those videos soon.

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Lysa

by KervinM
1. Would be nice for others who are sick (or have the sick) to know. Especially the unchurched.
2. I will gladly bear with my list sick cases to death but why do if a Christian someone with the relevant gift could pray over them and Christ heals.
3. I do not believe that all that have the same Spirit of God have all gifts (I am a Continualist I would say).
4. The Lord should by the Thanksgiving of healed be glorified I understand.

If I'm understanding you, I'm not sure that the gift of healing works that way... that you would send someone your list of sick people to someone else and suddenly they'd be healed!

Aren't you and I supposed to exercise YOUR (our) faith so YOUR (our) faith increases!

I'm definitely a continualist but I don't know anyone that actually promotes themselves saying, "I have the gift of healing."

Like brothagary, I've prayed for people and they have been healed but that's as far as it goes.


by brothagary
This was the last man that I prayed for when we were doing street ministry about about 9 months ago, I don't believe I have the gift of healing but I do see results sometimes and expect the lord will heal especially when I feel an anointing and the spirit of compassion fills me.

Amen brother Gary! Compassion is the key!

Mt 14:14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with COMPASSION toward them, and HE HEALED their sick.

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KervinM

Yes when it is time to pray each case is treated separately and exclusively. I was just saying it is not one case. Like myself, my son, etc.

By the way sister Lysa I asked if you serve under a pastor/church as you thus do the jail ministry? I know you often get worked out when I seem to get personal but I wish you do not. Especially since I also asked Brothagary for example (via email).

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KervinM

@both of you: I thought having distinct and varying gifts was consistent with Scripture. Else how can I say I pray for the sick and they recover but still do not think it is a distinctive gift that I have? Yes, I do not think a healing gift means all I pray for will be healed. Or I speak in tongues and still do not think I have a gift of tongues?

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AbideinHim


"Aren't you and I supposed to exercise YOUR (our) faith so YOUR (our) faith increases!”

Brother, Lysa is right. Many healings that Jesus did were a result of the believers faith. Jesus couldn’t do many miracles in his hometown because of the unbelief of the people. Jesus said "be done unto you according to your faith.” Jesus said "all things are possible to those that believe.”
It is always good to give the ones in need of healing scriptures to build up their faith to believe for healing. "Believers shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.” John G. Lake set up healing rooms in Spokane Washington. His healing team prayed for the sick and there was over 100,000 documented healings. Some claims are much higher than that. There was an investigation of these healings, and they were confirmed by those that conducted the investigation. Spokane Washington was said to be the healthiest city in the U S.

https://www.jglm.org/john-g-lake/

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KervinM

Brother Mike, I stand ready to exercise it thereon and have in fact been doing so without prevailing. So I reckoned I need someone who has the gift committed to them. Just like prophesy - do we all prophesy?

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brothagary

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89014948083?pwd=TUlpSTV3YVRTUGFIajJRT0lzZElEQT09&fbclid=IwAR2u9au_dGu1AEZtmtpGsNoIa4GKmuV6Gx5_tIoGOaJFbgfd0p4uGMV4JYQ#success


connect with Mark Heamans who has the gift of miracles and also the gifts of healing operating , every week hundreds receive healing and deliverance with out fail , you can do online meetings with the ministry

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brothagary

there's a meeting in about 7 and a half hours

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KervinM

Thanks brothagary, I have only seen your replying posts now. I shall look into the minister suggested.

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brothagary

Mark Hemans will be in Cape Town in May if your anywhere near there , but has regular online meetings

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KervinM

I am looking at this page and so far I find his position fairly evangelical: https://www.jesusencounterministries.com/about/

I shall look further into the ministry as well as testimony videos accordingly.

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KervinM

'Generational curse' is mentioned on the same page. Is this not one of the Old Tastement aspects that did not make it to the New Tastement?

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brothagary

I think the idea of curses that are a result of unrepentant sin whether deliberate or in ignorance, and curses that are connected to the occult and idolatry are still very real and affect the family line, Most of these could be dealt with during baptism with holy spirit and fire, but because of religious traditions and religious spirits at work in the church and teaching those teachings that deny and do not truly bring people into that experience this is a big reason why the issue would be there for Christians, but as far as the pagan idolatry and the occult in world is it is full of generational curses and every abominable demon.

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KervinM

I am pondering on this, brother. It is not making coherent sense just yet but I already agree that pagan idolatry and occult are realities that should not be overlooked.

PS. One issue is being that the minister used the phrase as something that should be well known.

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Lysa

by kervinM
By the way sister Lysa I asked if you serve under a pastor/church as you thus do the jail ministry?

I saw your question before but I'm perplexed as to why I haven't seen you ask this of any men in this forum? Would you explain that please?

by kervinM
I know you often get worked out when I seem to get personal but I wish you do not. Especially since I also asked Brothagary for example (via email).

I have no idea what you are talking about with this statement.

I get worked out or worked up? Because I don't get angry with others on this forum! I may get frustrated but I definitely do not get worked up and mad, if that's what you mean.

I believe a few "men" can attest to this since I've been on this forum for 16 years or more.

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KervinM

Brothagary, one issue is that the said minister used the phrase as something that should be well known. Looking it up online it appears to be the Old Tastement curse of God visiting the inequities of parents to the future generations of their children.

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KervinM

@sister Lysa: On another thread when we discussed Catholics, you said to me: "you do you and I will do me"

And if I recall properly, it's like you also said this to me some many months back (I may be mistaken on this one).

Hence my statement structure. No offense intended but I thought I needed to thus structure it lest I am possibly told the same.

I should answer the question about why I asked in my next possible post.

PS. "Here is the end of the matter: you do you and I will do me!!"
source: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=66153&forum=35

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Lysa

y KervinM
@sister Lysa: On another thread when we discussed Catholics, you said to me: "you do you and I will do me"

Do you know, Kervin, that I was not upset, mad or angry. Please don't be sensitive about conversing on here, it's like texting, people misinterpret . A lot of people will not agree with you or me. It is what it is!!

There is no sense in beating a dead horse trying to get it up and walk!!

I know when a conversation has ended (on my part) and it doesn't mean I'm upset or mad, I will give it my best effort but I'm just not going to keep trying daily to convince someone to agree with me on topics that are neither here nor there.

So I said, "you do you and I will keep doing me" to let you know I had ended my part in the conversation. Kervin, there's no hard feelings.

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KervinM

I reckon I am now clear on what you presented, sister. May be that is one of the valid limitations that exist in this SI community. We seemingly seeking to achieve something that takes inter-accountable persons with some not actually being accountable and obligated to others? Imagine if Peter said the same to Paul when he sought to censored his conduct?

Like I promised to answer your other question: I asked if you served under a pastor in effort to try and understand how you would thus minister and at the same time seem not to be open to face highly controversial subjects such as the Catholic.

For example, sister: when you comment on a topic, I assume you personally seek to build in Christ. Imagine you are in turn told: you do you and I'll do me. Would that be the kind of reception you would feel encouraged to keep trying to edify in Christ with? Or do you seek to build others while you yourself remain partially open (or entirely closed in) to building efforts from others?.

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brothagary

Kevin I don't see any issue with the principle of generational curses because they clearly still exist one way or the other

When we go way back to the beginning when Adam and Eve sinned he brought the whole world into a generational curse and death was passed through that generational lineage, today science would call a lot of that type of thing genetic illnesses but this is all a result of the original curse of death and sickness and suffering being passed through that line I think the old covenant may have made that even stricter in a sense but revealed the truth of God's judgment that was passed down to sinful adamic creatures.

We see in the letter to the Roman church by the Apostle Paul we see Paul referring to this generational curse which came upon the whole gentle world although they knew god they didn't glorify God and give him honor and there foolish hearts became dark and professing to be wise they became fools and they changed the Glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man and four footed animals and creeping things therefore God gave them over to a debase mind to do those things which are not fitting being filled with all unrighteousness and sexual immorality and wickedness and covered this full of envy murder and strife we see the world plagued by sickness demonic possession oppression.

The usage of the old covenant was to reveal it through the school master to Israel and to the world that those that come under the blood sacrifices prescribed by God would eventually be released from these generational curses and even get victory over the death sentence itself.

In theory you would expect that a person can be born again come under the new covenant partake in the sacrifice be filled baptised with the holy spirit and with fire and be set free from the generational curse but that doesn't seem to be the only way that God does things because he did also deliver people from demons as well which should have been dealt with through a simple new birth and baptism of the spirit.

If we can go into the early church exorcism and deliverance ministry renouncing the works of Satan were all part of breaking off that generational curse of death and sickness as a result of sin and coming into the blessing but then it's a matter of staying in that state and Christians do have a tendency to fall back into sin through the temptation of the devil so sometimes the demons have to be dealt with again other times there is never a thorough repentance and dealing with the generational curse.

When it Comes to a cultic witchcraft and curses this is the very nature of sorcery and why it was condemned by the God of the Bible because it was a dangerous demonic thing where the practitioner of sorcery can release a multitude of demons through the casting of spells into a family and those demons will continue to real havoc it in a family's life we see this in Africa and other places and until that witchcraft curse is broken the demons because of the power of sorcery will be able to torment the generations through that spell of witch craft.

The nature of witchcraft because it involves the sacrifice of animals and people and the blood being offered up to the demons and principalities it has extreme power over lives that are not sanctified and holy and are not covered with the blood of Christ efficiently and baptized and filled with the spirit as the seal.

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KervinM

I hear you brothagary. The curse brought about my Adam is well known, yes. Just that my thoughts would be that he would have used phrases common in the new Tastement if he meant that one.

But the ones of witchcraft or occultism sound very plausible I must agree there. As I asserted on one of my previous posts here, they are a reality we have to deal with or face. Mary had to have 7 demons cast out of her by Christ. Dear Lord! Yes insisting he must have meant the old Tastement type of curse (by God) could be to force words in his mouth.

Let me try to study his assertions further and should post back here if anything.

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