GAS PRICES!

Anyone other than us feeling the pinch from the gas prices?? My wife and I were doing our budget for the month and we discovered we're spending over $200 a month more for gas than we were this time last year! This is really hurting one income families like us (homeschoolers). We're driving much less, and paying 2/3's more a month for gas! Fox News reported on friday that most of the oil companies are reporting that for the last quarter (3 months) their PROFITS were up 59% over what they were the previous quarter. Thats immoral!I'd like to take some of these oil execs and make them come live with us for a month... see how the other half lives.Anyone else getting mad over this? Or is it just me? It's $2.60 here in NC.Krispy

Hendersonville, you say? Thats about 10 miles from my house. I live in Henderson county. Small world.If I drive down to South Carolina I can save about 12 or 14 cents a gallon because NC taxes per/gal are much higher. I'm not usually heading in that direction... so it hasnt been worth the extra couple miles.Krispy

Hi Krispy,You are talking gallons not litres aren't you?By my reckoning we are paying around $7.0 a gall.

By my reckoning we are paying around $7.0 a gall.How do you afford that?? (yea, gallons here in the US... we're too stubborn to convert to metric)What do you do? Ride a bike everywhere? Or maybe a water buffalo?When you live in a rural area like I do, you have no choice... you have to drive. No city buses out my way.... no city out my way!I remember an episode of the Dukes of Hazzard where they ran their hot rod cars on moonshine... wonder if that will really work? Anyone got any corn, sugar, yeast and copper line?Krispy

Listen bro Krispy,It is at least 50 years since an inventive little man in the UK was given the stonewall by car manufacturers because he had worked out how to convert his to work on water. He had made a little gadget that took about half and hour to fit, which WORKED. True. A famous journalist, (now passed on), had interviewed him as a young newspaper reporter and was amazed at the lack of interest. Of course the cost of patent and development was too much for the inventor, so, to the wall it went. :-? Heartbreaking.And no. Waterbuffalo don't live here. ;-) We do without other things, if we need gas.

We do without other things, if we need gas.Yea, in our case we'll be going without groceries before too long.I've heard that lots of patents have gone by the wayside because the oil companies and the car companies want us where they have us.Give me a horse. (And I dont mean a Mustang)Krispy

Depending on where you are in Charlotte, it doesnt take much to run over to South Carolina to get gas. They are usually 10 cents less down there. My sister and her husband live out near the airport, not far from Carowinds, and he's been buying his gas in SC for about a year and a half. But you're on the north end of town, right? Huntersville? It probably wouldnt be worth it for you to do that from Huntersville.Krispy

Preach it, PreachParsly !!! :-) "Rumor" has it, we may be up to 7 or 8 a gal within two years.When I heard that, I thought, well, it may just be an intentional misinformation thing, but thought again that,,, hey, we 'should' in our hearts be prepared for 'anything', so that we don't FREAK out when this stuff happens.I hear all sorts of speculations about 'where we are' in Revelations. Never realised just how many "views" there were on it, till I got a computer. Phew ! And views of the meaning of the 4 Horses. Some say the white or first horse is antiChrist ... we're all entitled to our 'opinion' and I guess I may be too ... till God shows us/me otherwise.But I don't believe it necessarily is, though it's connected to the 'source' from where he'll come out of, fer shur.You're verse is about the 3rd or Black Horse.How I studied Eschatology, is somewhat different I've found, than how most have I guess.I try not to read what others say about the last days, but try to ask the Lord to help me understand and keep up with international news and such. I pray He'll lead and I know He's faithful, but I must be too.There's verses in Daniel 7, that says that the Four Beasts, that rise up, will rise up in the Last days, "while" the Saints of the Most High are here and they with the Lord will deal with them at His Coming ... Dan 7:17-18 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever. Which would make us and those kingdoms concurrent.That they "rise up" in the last days and are 'not' Ancient Kingdoms of old, but prototypes. They are Modern day kingdoms, since the forming of Israel as a nation. There are other verses scattered that confirm this, but to each their own, for now, I guess.I also believe these 4 beasts are the same as the 4 Horses.I don't think the white horse is 'the' antiChrist, just his place of origin raising up (genealogically speaking), but I do think we're now under the time of the white horse.... so you may not far off there ... because that would put us, not far from the 3rd.The second will bring war and take peace from the 'whole' earth, so that would be a good reason why the third horse, would raise gas prices and everything else goes up after that happens or because of that, maybe.(Yeeesh ~ all'a that, just outta "gas prices")Sorry, just got going on. :-( again.Thanks,Annie

I remember at my grandfather funeral back in Jan of 96 my parents complaining about gas going up to $.98 a gallon. Now I would give my right arm to have it like that again. We also are a one income home and military at that. Currently we live in GA and gas is 2.30 a gallon. But come Oct we are being transfered to Jacksonville, NC and I am scared to go up there now. It sounds like I am going to have to go out and get a job just to be able to afford to go from place to place.Hey... if you think gas is bad here in NC, be glad you're not being transfered to Cali or New England!Krispy

This subject, energy prices, is one of the few things I'm conversant on. Please allow me to speak of the markets themselves, then to address something that has been bothering me about energy policy, and then to speak of where the Spirit leads me via Scripture.What you are seeing now in the energy markets now, particularly crude oil, issomething called "Peak Oil". What this means is that right now, worldwide we pump around 83 million barrels a day. No matter how hard we drill and explore, we have reached the Peak of production. The market's function now is to "ration" supplies by marking up the price. It's a dispassionate "animal", this free market in New York. It doesn't care if one drives a Prius or a Hummer, doesn't care who works at Target, or at Chase Manhattan.I'll post a monthly chart so you can see the climb in price.The tragedy I feel is that post 9/11, we did NOT institute fleet mileage requirements, in our automobiles. trucks, and unfortunatley SUV's. After all, it's war, and the way I was led to believe war entails sacrifice. Hence I'm baffled why so many gas guzzlers tool thruout this land, while our boys are in harms way securing America's energy supplies.To me, the SUV is an insult, wasteful. I remember seeing the gas lines as a boy and pledged that i would never drive anything above a four cylinder.Back in 2000, the day this bull market started, was the day the USS Cole was bombed, and the PLO dumped those two Israeli intelligence operatives out of a window in hebron. My projections for crude oil have been 70 dollars first stop, then the market relaxes, then 120 in a few years. My analysis is simple, overlay 1972-1980 with today.back then Oil went from 2 to 7...then 14 to 40.Gasoline will trade upward's to $10 a gallon. One of the other causes for the bull in the energies has been China. China manufactures all the "things" we like to buy. To make "things" you need oil. a country that makes "things", and makes money off of 'things", likes to buy "things" itself and have a good time. China has a new found appettite for crude, and its already clashing with our apettite.and countries that compete for dwindling energy supplies sooner or later will go to war.It will be China vs the US. and tens, if not hundreds of millions will die.Whats interesting is that both countries worship money and wealth, both countries imprison more people than any other in the world, and that both countries kill more babies than any other in the world. How can we divine the Mind of God...clearly He MUST be displeased with both countries. True that He is blessing the house church of China, and that he is blessing certain elements of the church in America, but could it be that He is annointing both for burial?anointing the church in China and the US before He buries it?The Spirit tell me that the "Whore of Babylon" is a world system of wealth that is tied to cheap petroleum, and this day is drawing nigh, drawing to a close.that day will come like a thief in the night.

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With production maxed out, the best way for the producers to make money is to drive the prices upThats not true... the oil companies all reported record profits for the last quarter. Most of them their profits were up roughly 60% from that previous quarter. They are making money!Part of the reason gas in Canada is about $4.50 in American has more to do with the exchange rate between the US and Canada. We went to Toronto about 10 years ago to see Phantom of the Opera, and the tickets in Canadian were about $90, but after the exchange rate thing we paid like $57 in US. The exchange rate has more to do with it being so high than anything else. It's probably not far off from what we're paying here after you do the math.Krispy

While I'm paying for gas in SC though, they'll probably try to get me to spend what I'm saving on gas on a state lotto ticket.LOL... yea, I hear ya. Dont worry, they'll have the Lotto going in NC soon. Then you'll be able to help the schools. (yea right... as if Easley could keep his hands out of the cookie jar!)Krispy

Good posts, Neil... not sure I buy into it all 100%, but I think for the most part you're right on target. I am all for people driving whatever they want... it's a free country. However, I think you'll see people buying SUV's less and less. I have to drive something bigger than a 4-cylinder. I have four kids. Not safe to cram everyone into a GEO. We have a Chrysler Town & Country mini-van. (Has a great acoustic wave stereo in it!) I drive a 4-wheel drive Jeep Cherokee with a 6 cyliner. I need it because I am constantly going to job sites, and without a 4X4 I would be getting stuck in the mud all the time. I also have a beat up 1981 Ford pickup w/ a straight 6 in it... but I use it about once a month for hauling trash to the dump. Thats it.But I agree... I see people driving these huge trucks and Escalades... and I wonder why? We looked at SUV's, but they didnt have enough room for our family... yet they weigh much more than our van and use way more gas. I dont understand the attraction. Most are 4X4's, but how much to people actually use the 4X4? Not much, if ever.I'm not going to condemn people for driving them... but I do wonder why.both countries imprison more people than any other in the worldDont know what that means...Krispy

HMG takes about 80% in tax off what is paid at the pump. I see it as a way of getting the nation to spend, without knowing exactly how the money is deployed. A few years ago, a decision was made to support the steel industry here - to make cars. No-one thought about the on-cost to health, HMG at the time just knew it couldn't afford to have too many people go out of work simultaneously, so it supported employment at the expense of other things - the suburban and rural railway (people had to move house, change job!) and pushed a lot of freight onto the roads. Quite a few months ago, some protesters blocked access to fuel depots on account of prices and it brought the country to near standstill in less than three days. Succeeded in putting the Chancellor in an arm-lock. :-? Quite satisfying by one measure, but very scary by another.

How can we divine the Mind of God...clearly He MUST be displeased with both countries. True that He is blessing the house church of China, and that he is blessing certain elements of the church in America, but could it be that He is annointing both for burial?anointing the church in China and the US before He buries it?Neil,This is a glorious word. Thank you for sharing it here, far from gas prices as it seems. It brings a perspective to this whole discussion - as well as the reference to Rev 17 + 18. Interesting that the anointing for Jesus's burial by Mary, was also associated with a dispute about the distribution of wealth and gave opportunity to show up the thinking in men's hearts. (John 13)

Does the 60 % profit not PROVE my point?? The price will continue to rise, and the profit margin will increase..The exchange rate is getting smaller, and smaller as the Canadian dollar rises in value, but there is still a big diffrence in price, considering it is coming out of my back yard, and being shipped to you all down there, where you buy it cheaper than I can.Time to move south, eh? (little Canadian humor!) We have a warmer climate here too... just once you get here dont wait as long as Peter Jennings did to become a citizen.Krispy

Iraq Enjoys Some of World's Cheapest GasI'm gald someone is benefitting from the war! lol...Krispy

Krispy began this thread with

Anyone other than us feeling the pinch from the gas prices??

We haven't been using gallons over here for a long time. I think the conversion is about 4.5 litres to a gallon.

What kind of $$$ price does that represent?