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Why don't you just spit it out brother.You've left us hanging now.Do tell what has been "revealed to" you. :-) But in the meantime, I'll answer to the best of my knowledge ... Number 1 question is ... Both.Number 2 question I'll leave for later.His Love to you also !!!Lord Bless.Annie

Oh no crusader ... I wasn't offended at all, just very curious what you did believe because I love eschatology. I just wanted to get a conversation going together.We have a thread about it here .... Last Days DoctrineNot sure if you'll like it or not, because I don't know how you feel about things quite yet.God Bless you !!!Annie

Also, I should answer your second question too.I believe there is only one way to get any doctrine right.First, you get every Scripture verse(s) from the entire Bible, from the Old to New Testaments and just look at them all. And be sure to look at them in context and with the whole of the Chapters and Books that they're found in.Secondly by John 16:13.God Bless !

Ezekiel 9 ?That mark was on the ones to be saved. We'll be marked by God on our foreheads to differentiate us in essence as holy unto God. Not a visible seal but nonetheless, that marking similar to the symbolics of Eze. 9 is for the righteous who cry over the sins of the land.The Mark of the Beast is not from God as Eze 9 is.It's a voluntary thing that people will take in order to "buy and sell" so it has to be something having to do with commerce. Also somehow involving some worship of this beast and his "system".That's why, Stick to the Word and not all of these authors when forming important doctrines.In His Love.Annie

Matt, you always have been open to the Word and good exposition. I'm sorry if I appeared to bark at 'you'. Please understand I know how you search things out and know we have had very good exchanges last year.My bark was more directed at what I've heard being pushed about by our more modern day speakers, that are saying all sorts of things about the mark, like, it's just a "spiritual thing", instead of being an actual mark as the Greek implies of more of a scratch or graven mark.G5480χάραγμαcharagmakhar'-ag-mahFrom the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.When I get scared I sort of come off as I did, because when they say it's "spiritual", they are leaving off the "buying and selling" part and the chip has already been used for the replacement of the Credit Card, as was the intent from the git go. I have a Visa card application from 1998 that says, "As we successfully move onto a Cashless Society" and then I saw a literal commercial of a guy picking up things from the grocery store and just walking out with them, because he had the chip and the scanner just charged those items to his account. And on and on the stories go about the chip.Please don't think I'm the type to bite without having a rabbi shot first. Ha. I mean no harm, believe me. I hope you know that.God Bless you and thanks for coming back to tell me.His Love.Annie

Oh, I also thought it neat the Ezekiel 9:4 is sort of like Rev. 9:4.Ain't GOD Neat ?! :-)

Well that's comforting Ron.But what is "Idealist" ? Ha, that made me smile, but I'm not sure if it's funny or not.I just thought, "Ideally" speaking would be, we wake up tonight all in Heaven. But ....

ginnyrose wrote:(Read it WITHOUT referring to any reference books, like commentaries). Me thinks this is a ploy of the Enemy to keep people away from studying it. ginnyroseMe thinks you've said that right sister. :-)

Greenquality wrote:I know nobody want to hear from meMy friend, your thoughts and words are always welcome here. Dont ever hold back just because someone may disagree. If I did that I would never post here!Greenquality also wrote:i really think the mark of the beast is in your forhead,to say in your mind.!!You're free to interpret that as you wish, however I think it is a literal mark because scripture makes it abundantly clear that without the mark one will not be able to "buy or sell". Also it speaks of the mark being on the hand or the forehead.The technology is already here to implant a computer chip under the skin which can carry all of your medical information, banking information, etc. Just like we hardly use cash anymore because of the availibility of debit and credit cards, soon we can have this chip under our skin and "swipe" your hand under a scanner at Walmart. If this doesnt sound like the descripion of the mark of the beast, I dont know what is. And think of the how one could be controlled by this as well. All they need to do it put a GPS on this chip, and someone could know the where abouts of anyone who had this. You already have a GPS on you right now if you carry a cell phone. Or OnStar.I'm telling you, folks... the Lord is at the door. If you arent ready, you better get ready. I honestly believe that most of us on this forum will not taste death.By the way, this may seem nit-picky, but the last book of the Bible is called Revelation... not Revelations. While that may not seem a big deal, I think it is foundational to understanding Revelation. While there are many things revealed in Revelation, the book is about one revelation, and that is of the Lord Jesus Christ. Once you grasp that concept, it does help to understanding the rest.Krispy

Annie wrote:My bark was more directed at what I've heard being pushed about by our more modern day speakers, that are saying all sorts of things about the mark, like, it's just a "spiritual thing", instead of being an actual mark as the Greek implies of more of a scratch or graven mark.Is there a difference between the word used in Revelation and that in (NKJV) 2 Corinthians 3:3 clearly [you are] an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, [that is,] of the heart.?

Dorcas... i prefer the way the KJV puts it:2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. In other words, Paul wrote letter with ink, but we are living letters... and example unto all men because God's Word is written on our hearts. And what is in our hearts is what will be seen on the outside. Good stuff in our hearts, good lives. Bad stuff, bad lives. Garbage in, garbage out so to speak.By the way, glad you made it back. Sorry I couldnt get down to see ya when you passed thru NC. I hope you enjoyed our wonderful state.Krispy

My bark was more directed at what I've heard being pushed about by our more modern day speakers, that are saying all sorts of things about the mark, like, it's just a "spiritual thing", instead of being an actual mark as the Greek implies of more of a scratch or graven mark.Annie, I refer you to my post about the mark. Scroll down 3 or 4 posts.Krispy

Diane... the mark is a literal mark. Thats why it can also be in the hand.Rev 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. How much more plain and obvious can the Word of God be?? This was the error of the gnostics. They spiritualized everything until even Jesus was not believed to be flesh and blood, but a phantom.Krispy

Krispy,I'm sorry too, but I enjoyed NC and will try to catch up with you in the future.On the mark, the reason I asked Annie that is I looked up the Greek, and the word is 'engraved'. Now, is this different from a word which means etched?The reason I ask should be obvious, and that is, that we REALLY ARE living letters. The MARK on our hearts is 'real' - but it is spiritual.

The reason I ask should be obvious, and that is, that we REALLY ARE living letters. The MARK on our hearts is 'real' - but it is spiritual.I think someone could get the impression that I dont think that the mark of the beast is spiritual, which is not what I believe. It is spiritual. But it is also physical.It is spiritual in that it is the ultimate deception played on man by Satan. Mankind will be deceived by the anti-Christ even tho he has been warned about him for 2,000 years... or however long it is should the Lord tarry.And it's a cut off point for mankind. If one takes the mark there is no hope of salvation during that time.Krispy

Please read this ...I've seen the "buying and selling" technology and it's already being used. It's the technology of the chip.I will add that there are many "and"s and "or"s in connection with The Beast.And to the others, please notice these verses and see that it is not just the chip; but is clear that it {the mark} must be physical.Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath 'understanding'[3563] 'count'[5585] the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. That word to "count" means an intelligent "compute". That is implying that there must be use of one's Brain to "figure" and one can only "figure" if they know what to look for {"hath understanding"}.Please notice all of the "and"s and "or"s and "neither"s ...Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand ....Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshiped his image. Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. It's also important in these above verses to see that there may be those who do not necessarily take a chip but are just as guilty of "worshipping the beast or/and his image".Some having "prior knowledge" of a chip, and I know many who are not Regenerated but are saying presently that they will not take any such chip, yet because they are not 'regenerated' will still marvel at this beast and it's system or power.Or one can take the mark, thinking "I don't worship this beast, but I have to be able to buy food and all."Making three ways to be damned.

but I think it will be a mark of a system of thought,an emptyness,a voild.lack of understandingThere may be some validity to this from a spiritual stand point, but it is not how the Word of God describes it. And thats the bottom line... God's Word.Krispy

Please read this ...I've seen the "buying and selling" technology and it's already being used. It's the technology of the chip.I will add that there are many "and"s and "or"s in connection with The Beast.And to the others, please notice these verses and see that it is not just the chip; but is clear that it {the mark} must be physical.Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath 'understanding'[3563] 'count'[5585] the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. That word to "count" means an intelligent "compute". That is implying that there must be use of one's Brain to "figure" and one can only "figure" if they know what to look for {"hath understanding"}.Please notice all of the "and"s and "or"s and "neither"s ...Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand ....Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshiped his image. Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. It's also important in these above verses to see that there may be those who do not necessarily take a chip but are just as guilty of "worshipping the beast or/and his image".Some having "prior knowledge" of a chip, and I know many who are not Regenerated but are saying presently that they will not take any such chip, yet because they are not 'regenerated' will still marvel at this beast and it's system or power.Or one can take the mark, thinking "I don't worship this beast, but I have to be able to buy food and all."Making three ways to be damned.

I absolutely believe it will be a mark similar to a tatoo of sorts. It will be something easily identifiable... and I believe it will be in conjunction with the chip.Dogs have this already... a chip implant with owner info, etc... and they get a tag for their collar that indicates to a vet if they have this chip. A mark, if you will.Krispy

Krispy, I agree and have stated so also on page one.But the important part that I also think we need to see is that, some may also 'not' take the chip yet be damned ... {which is also a GPS unit and holds all personal 'profiling' data that is already collected and being collected as we type :-D } ... but there are those out there ... that know all of this about the chip, and have clearly stated that they will not by any means "take it" ... but they are Not Saved.Then the others who don't believe it is a chip and will take it thinking they are not worshipping the beast OR his image.The Three Damnable ways.Yet, unless they are those who "will be" saved ... they will be still "taken in" in their thinking by the Beast and marvel at him or the system of the beast.That is why these verses in that post above need to be looked at One Word At A Time. And also with the original language. Such as the "in" and "upon" in Rev 20:4 and most especially all the "or"s - "and"s - "neither"s.Thanks.

Greenquality wrote:A very young gifted man, with autism . who is called the Brainman very gifted in split second mathematics,who crossed the bridge into are social world and describes what he see in his mind. he see's numbers as moving landscape,shapes, color,texture,and sounds.he goes on to tell what he see's the (# 2 )is motion has purposeful movement.the( # 5)is the sound of thunder. then he say's somthing which struck a chord to me, he describes the( # 6) as being shapeless, empty,a voild,a darkness , a black hole if you will.the only number that has no mark........I know from the past the marking on the arm and head was used during ww2 , in the death camps, for the Jews ,Gypsy, Serbs.It makes you think !!! but I think it will be a mark of a system of thought,an emptyness,a voild.lack of understanding. but this is me just talking,but I'am profound and prefixed how God and his truly gifted people ,who society thinks as Handicap,or having phsical,or mental disadvantages.stumble the minds of greatest scientist,and who can think faster than any computer,or store imformation and recall it, like Kim peek,who the movie was made after the rain man.He knows the Bible!!better than any E-sword program. and in his disadvantages,he say's "we should treat other's we meet with kindness" Friend, even though there's a few thoughts going on in your post here, it is well received.First off ... with a little investigation you will find out that IBM ran the "numbering" of the prisoners of WW2 and that if you go back from Applied Digital Solutions and the Digital Angel (some of the chip makers), those smaller names, really originated and belong to IBM again.About "Numbers" ... phew ... the beast system 'is' very very spiritual and very much into "numbers" ... but that is the dark side that your autistic genius sees "6" and is so true but Satan counterfeits and "anti.s" all things of God and how God uses numbers.Those of the dark side, the very mystical mystery religion of the "coming one" are Extremely superstitious in their use of numbers and won't even "do" anything, unless it is on a "certain date and a specific numerical time".You also mentioned "shapes, color,texture,and sounds" .... Our God is SOOOOOO unimaginably BIG that all things 'are' connected in all of these things .... but Satan and cohorts have perverted all created things into their own dark religion(s) and the New Age unto this darker world that "anti" Christ will appear from have all this "wisdom" inverted and twisted and I'm afraid to say, Totally BACKWARDS ... in the darkest sense of that word. That is why their religion has also taken on the name "mystery".Some really dark stuff there. And Amen to your Last Line :-) .Who knows "who" we're entertaining unawares.Of Angels or men or Prophets or Priests.Lord Bless brother.Annie

Hi Greenquality,I looked up both verses and apart from the obvious - that the New Testament is close to a quote from the Old - it might be asking too much to expect Lucifer to use the word of God honestly.... might it not?

John was saying this, Those of you who are Seers can interpret this. Seers (Not Roebuck) are both wise and have understanding. The counting aspect has no bearing without the prerequiste of one who has understanding. Understanding does not come via, your own intellect, using dictionaries and other sources of information. God's understanding has nothing to do with that. Wisdom is not a wise proverb in a fortune cookie, nor is it given to those who are educated. Wisdom is not a set of words written down, wisdom is the express discourses of God. It's what God has done, is doing, and will do. Thats wisdom. When John wrote, "Here is Wisdom", he is simply saying, "This is what God is doing".Many of you will want scripture and verse, it's interlaced in the word, you'll have to just know His Word to see it.Karl

John was saying this, Those of you who are Seers can interpret this. Seers (Not Roebuck) are both wise and have understanding. The counting aspect has no bearing without the prerequiste of one who has understanding. Understanding does not come via, your own intellect, using dictionaries and other sources of information. God's understanding has nothing to do with that. Wisdom is not a wise proverb in a fortune cookie, nor is it given to those who are educated. Wisdom is not a set of words written down, wisdom is the express discourses of God. It's what God has done, is doing, and will do. Thats wisdom. When John wrote, "Here is Wisdom", he is simply saying, "This is what God is doing".Many of you will want scripture and verse, it's interlaced in the word, you'll have to just know His Word to see it.Karl,Thank you for this. I very much enjoyed it. Soul food. Amen.

Healingwaters wrote:John was saying this, Those of you who are Seers can interpret this. Seers (Not Roebuck) are both wise and have understanding. The counting aspect has no bearing without the prerequiste of one who has understanding. Understanding does not come via, your own intellect, using dictionaries and other sources of information. God's understanding has nothing to do with that. Wisdom is not a wise proverb in a fortune cookie, nor is it given to those who are educated. Wisdom is not a set of words written down, wisdom is the express discourses of God. It's what God has done, is doing, and will do. Thats wisdom. When John wrote, "Here is Wisdom", he is simply saying, "This is what God is doing".Many of you will want scripture and verse, it's interlaced in the word, you'll have to just know His Word to see it.KarlThis is where and when I always get myself in trouble ... while I'm RUSHING to get "supper" done for hubbie. But I've got to get this out of my system before I myself can eat.IF a person doesn't use the correct 50/50 of Scripture searching WITH Divine Revelation ... they "will" be deceived.God puts equal value and necessity on Both ... and I being more prone to the prophetic gifts, had to be taught this over many years of dealing with those more acedemic type folks.I've come out believing in Study to show thyself approved and John 16:13.God wrote the "secrets" of the mysteries in the "language", so never discount that.Greek is a very intricate language ... as RonB of that.These acedemic type have helped to keep me sound.I'm the dreams and visions type ... so I needed their balance ... and THANK GOD .... He sent those type into my life.Amen and Bon Appetite.Love,Annie

Diane saidAnd also, we are not preparing ourselves or anyone to stand their ground in the face of persecution, temptation, and deception. It is my turn to be beaten by you ;-)I have been thinking about the work God has done in my through being isolated from all but Him, His word and my own responses to it from the person that I was and am. The thread on church abuse probably sparked me off, but, I found myself understanding that there is a Divine purpose in persecution; it is not just a 'test' to see if we really will go through with God. It is far more and deeper. God will use it to help us find out what we are like, and to help us choose aright. I'm now not sure that anyone can just bounce into the kingdom and without any hostility or external pressure, be sure that they have been sufficiently refined or chastened to qualify as a son of God.This may seem a long way off 'revelations', but I think the connection is on this one point - that we must KNOW Him, and the only way to be sure, is to be forced to make what feel like pretty drastic choices, sometimes. Then, as we find ourselves shedding the world and its load, we also find we are in a quieter, broader place where we can fellowship with Him instinctively, according to the Spirit. Here, we find our hearts written all over scripture, again and again. We find we do know His heart.